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12:57 AM
eh @Yvette-ReinstateMonica - regarding this answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/399436/…
> During this upheaval of last year, you were part of a small number of people who followed me around MSE and in chat [...]
That's... Par for the course. The more visibility you get, the more folks are gonna be checking to see what you're up to, and sometimes kibitzing. And being an active moderator, especially an opinionated active moderator, nets you a lot of visibility.
There's no way around that. Nor any particular reason to call out folks who do it; you get a sort of Streisand Effect going that way. I ain't saying it's fun, but... It comes with the territory.
 
Hi @Shog9
 
๐Ÿ‘‹
 
Stopped by to vote?
 
already voted before I was here the last time!
Just came across a bunch of stuff on meta & figured I'd do some kibitzing ;-)
 
And your sockpuppets, too? ;-)
 
1:02 AM
you joke, but... I almost did before realizing which account I had open
 
Haha
 
Also, I wanna share this story:
2
One of the most active moderators in his time was ol' CasperOne - for a time, there were so many complaints about him on meta, twitter, etc. that the top folks in the company were convinced he must be running roughshod over the site, going rogue, etc.
So... We did a full analysis on his activity. Calculated statistics regarding his actions & compared them to other mods and employees.
Turned out, he was unusually accurate - by comparison, many other moderators and most employees saw far more of their actions overturned.
There's a thing called "Tall Poppy Syndrome"...
The tall poppy syndrome describes the cultural phenomenon of mocking people who think highly of themselves, "cutting down the tall poppy". Common in Australia and New Zealand, it is seen by many as self-deprecating and by others as promoting modesty. == Etymology == The concept originates from accounts in Herodotus' Histories (Book 5, 92f), Aristotle's Politics (1284a), and Livy's Ab Urbe Condita Libri, Book I. with reversed roles, referring to Periander's advice to Thrasybulus via a herald. The specific reference to poppies occurs in Livy's account of the tyrannical Roman king, Luciu...
The more active you are, the more you speak up, the more folks are gonna be going for your head for no other reason than that you're visible.
Ideally, you got a team of folks supporting you, and you them... But, it's still a lot of stress at times.
All of you should know, that's potentially what you're signing up for.
 
People complain about moderators? O_O
All this time and nobody told me?
 
๐Ÿ˜’
<-- is trying to learn emoji-speak
 
Apparently you can tell entire stories using nothing but emojis
 
1:08 AM
Also, y'all should know: I have discovered that raisin bran cereal with blueberries on top pairs well with luke-warm Miller Highlife ("The Champagne of Beers")
 
Donโ€™t expect lessons from me
 
tell THAT one with emoji...
 
@Shog9 This...seems unbelievable
 
so good
 
@Shog9 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ <โ€“โ€“ :)
 
1:10 AM
the fragrance and sweetness balanced by the subtle bitterness
 
Do you put the beer over the cereal like milk? Or just have it on the side?
 
whole milk over the cereal. Beer to sip between bites
I'm hungry, not hungover ;-)
 
Am I allowed to interfere? Did you get to take a look at bigger screens, @CodyGray? I forgot to ask if you wanted some screenshots of pages you only have access to while logged in.
 
I was about to do an emoji-sequence, but blueberries isn't out yet..
 
if only upgrading English was so easy
 
1:17 AM
@Scratte Works on my phone ;-P
 
I was expecting a picture of an image of an emoji.. I call this: disappointment :)
 
An ever-expanding list of emojis is probably great for the user experience. I often don't find the emoji I wanna use, or scroll back and forth lots of times until I find it.
 
I use ๐ŸŽ… as a wildcard.
 
You'd confuse ๐Ÿ˜ฒ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜ฏ๐Ÿง me.
 
@Shog9 ๐ŸŽ… ๐Ÿฅฃ ๐ŸŽ… ๐ŸŽ… ๐ŸŒก๏ธ ๐Ÿบ ๐Ÿฅ‚ ๐ŸŽ… ๐Ÿบ <-- simple..
 
1:25 AM
that's a lot of Santa
 
Saint Nicolas enjoys a bowl of St. Nicolas stew when the temperature is high and also when mixing alcohol
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the election phase. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
I don't think Santa is welcome here.
 
@Andreas He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake...he knows if you voted in the election, but not who you voted for, because votes are confidential.
 
Ohh.. I thought Santa brought in Electionbot. I see similarities with: ๐ŸŽ
 
1:37 AM
@RyanM There's something fundamentally wrong if votes are confidential, but still it is known if someone specific has voted. We must file a bug report in Santa's workshop. โ€“ mhm... Where's my privacy? My sleep is precious and private.
 
@Andreas This is how many elections work. It is possible to tell if someone voted in a US election, for instance.
 
It's possible to tell if someone voted in a sensible country that uses paper :)
 
(and their phone number...I've reported so many texts as spam. I hope their numbers all get deny-listed as spammers.)
 
@Scratte I see similarities with: <emoji:chimney>
Santa must have top privileges, then.
 
If you used your systems ๐Ÿ”, you'd notice it was a wrapped gift, that probably contains a ๐Ÿ“ฆ
 
1:50 AM
@Scratte Add smoke to the package, and I'm happy. ๐Ÿ”ฅ
 
2:06 AM
@Andreas Yeah, no worries on that. Thanks for the offer, actually. I went to the store, and they said it's "gallery only" (meaning no touching or interaction with the phones) due to COVID-19. So...I wasn't able to test out anything at all.
I did some more research online, and now I'm even more undecided than I was before. I had been thinking either iPhone 11 Pro or iPhone SE, depending on the resolution of the iPhone 11 Pro. Now, I'm thinking iPhone 11 might be a possibility, which expands the choices even more!
It seems like iPhone 11 actually does have a higher resolution, which means a bit more content can fit on the screen. (It actually has the same size resolution as the iPhone 6/7/8 Plus, so same amount of content as those, which is an improvement. It runs at a lower resolution, so isn't that sharp, but it'll be as sharp as my iPhone 6S, which is more than sufficient for me.)
It's also a heck of a lot cheaper than the iPhone 11 Pro, which is a reasonable consideration: why pay $300+ more for a smaller phone?
But what I don't know is whether that phone is physically too big for me to hold and operate comfortably with a single hand. I don't want an obligatory two-handed phone.
So... the iPhone 11 seems good, because I can fit more content on the screen, unless it's too big for me to hold/operate comfortably with one hand.
The iPhone 11 Pro is nice, but mostly features I don't need and don't need to pay for. It's about the right size, but the screen is not really any bigger than the iPhone SE (other than the fact that the home button is omitted and the bezels are smaller, which means the screen is taller vertically... but that's the least important screen real estate for me).
So with that in mind, we're back to the iPhone SE, which means I also don't have to deal with Face ID (which is gonna be a huge PITA in the days of face masks and coverings, or even when I want to use the phone sitting on a desk without picking it up), and also means I don't have to learn anything new (I can keep the home button). And I also save a boatload of money.
 
@CodyGray mhm, ok. Seems like you've made a decision. :)
 
Not even close!
Seriously, what I need to determine is whether the iPhone 11 is too big to use comfortably with a single hand.
I just don't know how I'm going to decide that without actually being able to use the phone to do real stuff for at least several good minutes.
 
I've had an iPhone 6 Plus in my hand before. It was too big (back then). One of the things I prefer with 11 Pro over 11, is that it's smaller. Still considerably larger than iPhone 6. I wouldn't want anything larger than 11 Pro. I'd appreciate if it was just a bit smaller.
I run the desktop version of SO on my phone. Works better than mobile version. The front page has space for all that's needed; even in the toolbar.
The profile activity page gets all content displayed as on a desktop screen, so the content is really small.
When viewing the flags I've cast, the content is too large, and just doesn't fit on the screen.
I don't know if that's about the same you have now?
So at that point, just figuring out which is most comfortable to hold, is probably not a bad idea.
Also; the absence of a home button makes such a large phone more comfortable.
I can let the phone rest better in the hand, without having to put pressure on it.
Anyway; that might just be a personal feeling.
Also; have you tried those home buttons with haptic feedback? I tried it a few times on an iPhone 7, and a MacBook Pro. It was really weird, but I guess you get used to it.
 
2:29 AM
@Andreas Yeah, exactly. When I did feel the 11 Pro in my hand, it felt like the right size. A bit big, but still usable. I'm concerned it's at the limit of what is reasonable, especially if I limit myself to single-hand usage, which I must insist is well-supported, even if sometimes do use a second hand.
But the 11 Pro doesn't give me any more screen real estate, and that sucks. Plus, I have to pay $300+ dollars more for a smaller phone. That seems like a bad comedy sketch.
@Andreas Yes, absolutely. I use the responsive desktop view on my iPhone 6S, and have been for, um, years. It's the only view that offers me all the mod tools that I need. I plan to continue doing that. It is mostly workable. There are a few things that really don't work well, like question closure and editing the dupe list, but I've figured out inelegant workarounds. But I would be willing to pay more to get something that provides a better user experience via more screen space.
@Andreas I haven't, but none of the new phones have that. Haptic feedback has been removed, I believe? I don't know. Maybe the SE still has it. But it's not that big of a deal either way, I don't think.
I'm intrigued about why you think the absence of a home button would make the phone more comfortable to hold. Are you saying just because you don't have to provide the pressure on the back to allow you to press a button on the front? How is that any different from the need to apply pressure on the front to tap/type?
 
@CodyGray 3D Touch was removed.
 
What's 3D Touch?
Oh, yes. Never mind. That's the pressure-sensitivity.
Yeah, that never worked out well for me.
I guess I always pressed too hard.
I actually like the idea of measuring duration better.
 
@CodyGray Well; I don't apply any pressure when tapping. ;) Just carefully touching the svreen.
 
I hold the phone in my left hand, and touch the screen with my left thumb. I do this despite the fact that I am right handed. The advantage is that I can continue to do other things with my dominant hand while simultaneously operating my phone.
 
I'm actually a bit sad I missed out on the entire 3D Touch. I actually waste quite a lot of time waiting for the buttons to register the "hard" tap.
 
2:37 AM
You think?
Truthfully, I hardly ever use 3D Touch on my phone that has it.
In the early days, there were very few apps that even supported it. Even now, the apps that I primarily use don't do anything useful with it.
About the only time I ever use it is when trying to delete emails from the lock screen (that has become very time-consuming with a recent OS update, since I can no longer just swipe them to expose a "delete" button), and when opening links in a new tab.
 
@CodyGray Oh? I'm right handed too, but for a lot of tasks, the left hand doesn't perform any worse. Only worse at throwing, using a mouse, and drawing/writing.
 
@Andreas I can't eat with my left hand...
Definitely no writing.
Can't throw with either hand ;-)
 
@CodyGray Really? I prefer the right hand for the fork, so that leaves the knife in the left. :P
 
Oh, I almost never use a knife to eat, unless I'm eating a steak or something.
 
The control center and home screen has buttons requiring you to hold down and wait.
 
2:39 AM
Otherwise, I cut with the edge of my fork. That allows me to use my phone in the other hand. :-)
 
@CodyGray American. :P
I put my phone away when eating. :P
Actually; what you really need, is a foldable phone.
 
I do if I'm with other people, naturally. But I eat lunch alone almost every day. Why miss out on that valuable time to delete everyone's answers?
@Andreas Yup. It needs to be like a normal smartphone most of the time, but then can unfold like a book to create a dual-screen view. I can't live without multiple monitors on the desktop, so it seems only obvious that I need them on my phone, too.
This is the point where Ryan or someone comes to tell me, oh so-and-so has that, but it's Android-only.
 
@CodyGray Destructive meal.
@CodyGray The best part: they run Java.
What we need is more mobile OSes.
 
Android might not suck if it wasn't Java. Unclear. Ryan says that's not the main problem, but hasn't taken the time to fully explain.
I think it might still suck because it's still Google, and I have lots of reasons to not trust Google.
 
I've boycotted Google, so no Android for me.
@CodyGray Insecure? Android is more open? Great for desktop, but I'd rather want my phone to be more closed down for the sake of security. Oh โ€“ and we all know there's more dirt passing through to Play Store than the App Store, so maybe that's what he didn't explain?
โ€“ or is it the general 2 years of major OS updates, and then no more?
 
2:49 AM
@Andreas Nah, he was talking about technical issues. I think speed is what I was complaining about.
But yes, I do agree with you about what you said, too.
Lack of OS updates isn't a huge deal for me. I rarely update my phone once I have it...
I've been pressing "Later" on iOS updates for a couple of years now.
 
When you buy electronics in USA, is there a minimum required lifespan, as set by law, so that if the product breaks down within that time, you can have it fixed, or get a new one, for free?
@CodyGray I did that on my iPhone 6, but just because the disk was too full. Same with my MacBook Air.
 
@Andreas Haha! No.
It's...possible that I just hate change?
 
Not even 1 year?
 
I don't necessarily, it's just that stuff always tends to break, and I don't want that hassle. I have things set up just as I like them, and I don't have time to mess with it.
 
@CodyGray I hate bad changes too. We all love great ones.
โ€“ But yes, your love for the home button proves that. :P
 
2:51 AM
I even tend to want to postpone great changes until I have time to deal with the fact that it's a change.
The US does have a "lemon law", which aims to protect consumers from goods that do not meet certain standards of quality and performance. (Defective consumer goods being known as "lemons".)
 
So if a product breaks down after 2-6 months of normal use, there's no protection?
 
The exact criteria vary from state to state. And they're not nearly like what you described in terms of what protections are offered. Generally, it requires that the manufacturer has tried to repair the same problem a reasonable number of times (3-4) without success, and that all the problems have occurred within the first year or two of ownership.
Not to mention that you generally have to hire a lawyer and be able to prove all of this. If not, you're screwed anyway.
Almost all manufacturers will warranty it. It's expected that consumer goods will have some type of warranty, depending on the item and the price point.
 
Aha. That explains a few things.
 
It might be just 30 days for cheaper items, but it's often 1 year for other items. Some items (cars, air conditioners, etc.) will even have 3 year warranties or something. This is all from the manufacturer.
No real laws involved, other than contract law, since the warranty was stated when you bought the product.
 
So practically no consumer protection, then, if you don't count the warranty.
 
2:56 AM
Pretty much no. That's why I laughed when you asked.
There are some things you can do, and you aren't totally screwed, but you don't get a lot of help, either.
 
Very different reality to mine.
 
Yes
As I think we discussed before, people in your country are even willing to pay taxes.
Here, even the mention of taxes, even promising to keep them the same, will keep you from being elected.
We'll throw your tea into the ocean, then tar you and feather you.
 
That's due to the level of trust in the population. Norway has the highest trust rating on the planet, at 70%.
It's only natural people don't wanna pay taxes if they don't trust the authorities.
 
But... why? Why do Norwegians trust their government more than Americans?
Surely it isn't because their politicians never make mistakes, or because there is no trace of corruption in any of their electoral or political processes.
 
Historic reasons are of course important.
There's little corruption.
There's lots of transparency.
Tax returns are public.
 
3:03 AM
And that's where you get into the cultural differences, I guess. It would never work to have tax returns public in America.
Prospective employers would go look up your tax returns to see how much money you made in your last job, and therefore offer you a salary that was just barely over what you were/are making.
 
Norway has also had a high literacy rate for a long time. I think the literacy rate in the Viking age was at 95%.
 
Prospective spouses would look up your tax returns to see if you were rich, and avoid you if you weren't.
Heck, prospective friends might do this.
 
Rob
I mean, that's a good way to filter friends and spouses without having to do anything
 
Also; bosses don't own their employees in Norway. It's illegal to fire employees without a proper reason. Unions are important in this. An employer, for instance, cannot necessarily choose your salary by themselves.
@CodyGray Not an issue here.
 
Why not?
 
3:07 AM
We've a high level of economic equality. This is important in making people trust each other. Poor Norwegians are considered wealthy in many other countries. As rich and poor don't live too different lives, there's enough in common to make them trust each other.
 
Ah, that is... very unusual.
 
I'd want to recommend a Norwegian short TV series to you, that explains all this in simple words, but... It's in Norwegian. :/
Also; did I mention that the Democrats would often be considered on the right wing in Norwegian politics, sometimes also far right?
While a common thought in USA is that taxes shouldn't pay expenses for rich people, this is very unusual here. Why would a rich person want to pay taxes, if they get nothing in return?
 
@Andreas I took about 4 years of Norwegian in university. So... depending on how much I remember, I might be OK...
It's been over 5 years since I listened to any of the language, though, much less spoke any of it, so I'm surely very rusty.
But I did study the culture, both modern and historical.
@Andreas So, yes, I'm well aware of this.
 
@CodyGray Really? That's awesome. Just as awesome as when Norwegian journalists interviewed Pete Buttigieg.
 
Yup. After that, capped it off with a graduate course in Old Norse.
Reading Icelandic skalds :-)
My personal political beliefs would be on the left side in Norway, too.
So I might even fit in there.
 
3:17 AM
You could even vote for the communists. Red (Rødt) has 1 person in the parliament. :P
Ah, shit. Remembered you'd need a VPN too. Anyway.
 
Why would I need a VPN?
 
โ€“ Or maybe not. Some of the shows don't have the regional barricade on. This
 
I should send this to my former Norwegian professor. She definitely would have liked to have had something like this to integrate into the language courses as part of the cultural modules.
That was really important to her, to teach not only the language itself, but the history and the culture.
Which, being a history major, I quite appreciated.
It is very hard for Americans to understand the differences in ideology...
 
Aha. Great idea. :D This person has a TedX talk as well. He made a special speech for all Americans in the end of episode 2 (In English of course (and a bit embarrasing too)) :P
 
It's full-speed, though, so gonna be hard for even intermediate learners to handle.
Without the subtitles, I'd be totally lost.
 
3:22 AM
There are subtitles.
Yeah, you found them. ;)
 
I remember about half of the words. Following along at speed... nah, I can't do it anymore, even with subtitles.
It's absurdly easy to forget stuff when you don't use it on a daily basis.
 
Oh, it sure is.
 
I had taken German in high school, and was at least conversational with that. Taking Norwegian absolutely ruined my German, both because I wasn't using the German anymore, but also because they're just too similar.
Now, after having not used Norwegian in years, that's basically gone, too.
I can still read some German and some Norwegian, but not speak it or understand it.
 
You should continue on with Danish and Swedish.
 
Then I can forget all of the Germanic languages? Yeah, that'll be a real achievement.
Danish and Swedish are basically the same... Danish is Norwegian spoken by a drunk Norwegian. Swedish is Norwegian written by a drunk Norwegian.
 
3:26 AM
:P
Not all; don't forget Icelandic.
 
That's true. It's totally different. But it is basically still Old Norse, and I did learn some of that.
Almost entirely useless, though, because it was all in the context of Viking literature
And...the Icelanders do like to preserve their history, but they have moved on a bit.
 
Neh. We're all still Vikings
Have you watched Norsemen?
 
No
You are totally not still Vikings. You just pretend/wish.
I've actually studied Viking history.
 
But I feel the Viking blood flow inside of me.
 
That's how I ended up taking Norwegian in the first place. Almost nobody in the US learns that as their required foreign language. They take normal, useful stuff, like Spanish or maybe French. Meanwhile, I knew a professor who studied the role of women in Viking society and Norse mythology via Icelandic skalder, kinda fell in love with the history, and ended up taking the language just because.
Norwegian as a foreign language is particularly useless because 99% of Norwegians speak English as well as the typical American. :-)
 
3:33 AM
:)
I chose French as required secondary foreign language.
 
Any particular reason?
 
I could only choose between Spanish, German and French.
 
Rob
@CodyGray You had a required foreign language at university?
 
@Rob Yup. To be fair, one of my majors was in liberal arts/humanities, so that had a more substantial language requirement than the science/engineering majors. Liberal arts majors were required to take 12-16 semester hours. Science/engineering majors were only required to take 6-9 semester hours. I fell into both categories, so, of course, my foreign language requirement was the longer one.
(In case it's not the same everywhere, the typical semester course earned you 3 semester credit hours, so 6-9 semester hours would be 1 normal course for 2 or 3 semesters, so effectively 2-3 years worth of study.)
 
Rob
Huh. Nothing like that here. We had a mandatory 4 years of French, Italian or Indonesian, but definitely not in uni
 
3:39 AM
If it weren't for "breadth"/"diversity" requirements, what would pay the salaries of all these departments?
Certainly there aren't enough Germanic Studies majors to employ a world-class department otherwise...
 
@CodyGray Closest to that is probably the Samsung Galaxy Fold or the Huawei Mate X (I've not spent any serious time with either, so I can't make any recommendations): androidauthority.com/best-foldable-phones-922793 They are, of course, Android-only :-)
 
Foreign language at the university? In Norway, you start learning English in 1st grade (6 years old), which ends after 11th grade, and the secondary foreign language in 8th grade, which ends after 12th grade. (Elementary: 7 years, middle: 3 years, secondary: 3-5 years)
 
@RyanM Slightly delayed, but otherwise right on cue.
 
With a setup like that, I really had to...
 
I saw the Huawei MacBook several months back, and I was really digging it, since I have loved the MacBook Pro since it was called the (superiorly-named) PowerBook.
But I don't think we're allowed to purchase Huawei products in the US...
The Huawei Mate XS looks exactly like what I had in my mind's eye.
 
3:43 AM
@CodyGray You don't trust Google, but you'd trust Huawei?
 
err, yeah, I meant XS, not X. whoops.
 
@Andreas In the US, foreign language is only very rarely taught prior to grade 6, and even at that level, it's a joke, and you have a very limited selection of languages (generally Spanish, maybe also French and/or German and/or Mandarin). No one really learns anything to speak of until high school (grade 9). It's a near-universal requirement in high school, though, but then only maybe 2 years.
@Andreas Yeah, I don't know. I would trust a Huawei notebook, because I'd have complete control over the OS.
 
@CodyGray So many things I don't understand with this approach.
 
I don't actually know that a phone that converts into a tablet makes sense for me, though, since the only time I'm going to be using a phone is when I can't reasonably use a notebook, and that means I am operating one-handed.
 
@CodyGray Would you trust them with the money you'd be giving them?
 
3:47 AM
@Andreas I kinda don't think about that. If I did, I wouldn't be able to buy very many things.
 
I'll vote for anyone that will actually enforce the "Not an answer" flag. Who will that be?
 
@SurpriseDog What exactly do you mean? It is enforced now...
 
@CodyGray mhm. I do it all the time.
 
a lot of answers are long and detailed without attempting to answer the question as asked.
 
@Andreas Part of the reason your country and its people are rich is because of oil money. Do you ever think about the fact that said oil sales are literally destroying the earth? What about the other horrible things that the oil enables?
 
3:48 AM
these never get deleted
 
@CodyGray Just remember that Windows has a feature that lets the BIOS forcibly install software across a reinstall: pcworld.com/article/2969365/…
 
@SurpriseDog So... you expect a moderator to judge the technical accuracy/correctness of answers? Or is it your claim that these answers are obviously irrelevant, even to someone who doesn't know the language/technology?
 
@CodyGray Of course I do. I highly disagree with the majority of the parliament's current stance.
 
@RyanM Ugh, stop with that
All these problems that I cannot solve except by just sticking with the Mac.
 
3:50 AM
nowhere in this lecture on ladder safety is an actual attempt to answer the question
 
@CodyGray Also; it is wrong to assume that my country is rich primarily because of the oil.
 
@SurpriseDog That's kinda not a fair example, since it's not even on Stack Overflow.
 
Yes, but it's a good example of what I see everywhere
 
@Andreas That has a lot to do with it, based on the data that I've seen.
 
answers that don't attempt to answer the question
 
3:51 AM
@SurpriseDog Also... that answer is plagiarized without any attempt at attribution... It needs to be deleted for several reasons.
 
@SurpriseDog Post them with a flag-pls in SOCVR.
 
@Andreas You can't cv-pls an answer...
 
@CodyGray Happy now, with the edit?
 
Sorta. SurpriseDog's whole complaint is that these answers aren't flaggable as NAA. So it should really be del-pls.
But I'm trying to understand what the real issue is, which is why I'm pressing for relevant examples from Stack Overflow.
 
I don't really see the issue either. I find it more problematic with actual answers to questions that just need to be closed deleted.
 
3:53 AM
@Andreas ...if they're on Stack Overflow. And also don't flag-pls NAAs.
 
It is true that SO mods don't entertain NAA flags on incorrect answers. We simply cannot judge the veracity of answers because we are not experts on all topics covered on this site. It's much easier on a site like Lifehacks, because everyone understands all of the topics covered there. Not so on SO. I can't program in Python. I'm therefore not qualified to judge Python answers.
 
@CodyGray Njah. Has a lot to with unions and the tax system. The oil money is primarily stored invested for future use in bad times.
 
You could argue that we do have mods who do know Python and can thus judge Python answers. That's not sufficient, first because there aren't enough mods to handle all the flags if we start excluding people based on subject-matter expertise, but more importantly, there are lots of languages where we don't have mods who know them well, like, say, Julia.
 
@RyanM Ok...
 
There's a difference between an incorrect answer and an answer that doesn't even attempt to answer the question as stated.
 
3:56 AM
@Andreas Well, yeah, I mean, you're going to have more money than the US simply because you don't (A) spend it all on the military, and (B) give it all to Israel to fund terrorism.
@SurpriseDog Yes, and NAA is intended to delete the latter. But it's sometimes hard to judge when you have no idea what the question/answer is even talking about.
 
@CodyGray Well; we give it to Brazil instead, to save the forest (you bet we all love their current leader) โ€“ And a bunch of other countries.
 
There is a bit of a divide among the moderator team and the Meta community about whether context matters when handling NAA flags. I think it absolutely does. The canonical example is a Python answer to a C++ question. I'll delete that all day long in response to a NAA flag. But not all mods will. So if you're looking for mods who see it my way on that issue, then that's a valid question, and we can definitely ask them to find out.
Other mods will say, meh, it was an attempt to answer "a" question, and thus reject a flag on it, which I think is totally ridiculous.
But that's different from a situation where someone asked a question about how to accomplish something in C++ using template metaprogramming, and someone answered with a solution involving macros. First off, you have to actually know the language in order to be able to tell the difference and judge the relevance, and that's just too much to ask of mods in general, who are not familiar with all languages/tech covered on this site.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, I'd argue that alternative solutions to the problem are welcome, even helpful. Perhaps not to the original asker, who might have certain arbitrary limitations for a reason, but certainly for future viewers who have the same question and don't have those same arbitrary limitations.
If you can defend why macros are a better solution than templates, then that's a valid answer to the question.
 
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@Shog9 I've never minded your input Shog. It's not the same without you here.
 
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Next meta posts "why did X change her name back?"
"why did X delete her post?" *sigh* it gives people something to talk about I guess and no, that's not why I changed it
 
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4:11 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels hello. I left FB. I've left social media, going to spend time in non cyber life activities :) How are you?
 
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anyway I popped in to say hello to Shog. I will go now. Bye
 
4:33 AM
@SurpriseDog that whole site is a trash fire, though; gotta manage your expectations better ;-)
but that answer you linked is plagiarized wholesale
 
@TylerH Yup... Already flagged it.
I couldn't tell exactly what the original source was, as there are several on Google, but there is at least one that predates the answer by a year.
 
5:29 AM
I have an iPhone 11 Pro, actually. The camera is the thing I use the most, so the trio of lenses are much-used.
 
You have children. I bet I'd use the camera if I had kids. Honestly, though, I only use it to capture notes for myself, and even that I only use rarely because I generally think in words, not pictures.
 
Before I had kids, I used it to take pictures of baked goods and cats.
 
I take lots of pictures and I don't have kids
@Catija are these cat pictures, hypothetically, posted anywhere?
 
5:45 AM
It's been over four years since I had a cat but the photos were on my instagram when I had them.
Same username.
There's also a few random cat pictures from visiting friends who had cats.
 
Semi-related: I put a camera outside my apt door recently in an attempt to find out who is slamming their door so hard it shakes the building. While I have yet to solve that problem, it did detect something quite unexpected last night: a random cat (with a collar) wandering around the building.
 
Maybe the cat is slamming the door
 
@CodyGray Mine is filled with notes. Need an article number for a part? Put the part on whatever the article number is already on and snap away. Need to know how the lay-out of a cabinet ended up? Snap. Did someone sketch over a printed article? Why walk to the scanner if I can snap a picture with the thing I already have with me.
The camera on my phone made me lazy.
 
Only one problem, @Mast: they're not searchable.
Photo management on mobile devices is uniquely terrible for anything that isn't a normal photo album of people.
 
You think the rest of my management is better?
At least phones sort by default on time, that's somewhat useful if you handle the pictures within the same week.
 
5:52 AM
Oh... I'm obsessive about managing things...
 
If I don't, well, usually I didn't need the picture after all or something else went wrong.
 
@CodyGray Only because you don't use Google Photos :trollface:
 
@CodyGray I should be more obsessive about it, and I tried.
I'm simply not very good at it.
 
Deep, nested hierarchies; tightly maintained naming and ordering; it's craziness. Except I never lose anything.
I was unreasonably upset when recent versions of Windows made it impossible to retain spatial ordering of files in folders. (The desktop still supports this, as does the Mac and other sane operating systems.)
 
As someone who has yet to find a good way to organize photos, Google Photos making them all searchable has been a blessing
 
5:55 AM
And, as a bonus, if you ever get amnesia, Google will already know everything about your family.
 
As someone who has been trying to organize both his life and collections of digital data yet doesn't want to tie himself to a vendor specific solution, I'm open to suggestions.
 
It still struggles with telling cats and dogs apart, though...there are several photos of dogs that it thinks are cats.
 
@Mast In all seriousness, so am I. I would love to have a non-hosted solution to this problem.
Though it'd have to be pretty good to give up my automatic search-by-content with no/minimal tagging required.
 
...what if you want a fully manual solution?
Where everything has to be carefully named, sorted, hierarchized, etc., with no automatic nonsense?
 
5:58 AM
I know full well I'm not gonna do that
 
The fact that I cannot drag photos around and put them in folders is so irritating.
 
the problem for me is I don't want folders. I want tagging
 
Tagging sucks. Look at Stack Overflow.
 
@CodyGray Last thing I tried was sorting my PDF collection. <title>_<author(s)>_<publicationyear>.pdf
That was a lot of work, but manageable.
 
Imagine organizing it by folders. It'd be a nightmare.
 
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6:00 AM
Well, there's a difference between personal tags and crowdsourced tags
 
Creating tags with that manually as well, carp.
 
"should this go in the Android folder or the Kotlin folder?"
 
I'd never get the standardization done alone.
 
And some of the PDFs are books scanned 20 years ago (so all pictures, essentially), making OCR problematic.
 
6:01 AM
@RyanM Then you've got the wrong folder hierarchy, obviously!
 
Adobe Lightroom is almost what I want, but it's a proprietary subscription product that ties being able to access my collection to paying the subscription fee...so...no.
 
Chances are, you want Apple Photos
 
Apple may well make something, but that's tied to buying Apple hardware for every device I ever want to use it with, so also no
I could buy a lot of Lightroom subscription time with that kind of money
 
There's nothing better than sexy hardware.
 
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6:27 AM
Shog was here? Darn.
@Shog9 the Dutch have a similar saying: โ€œTall trees catch a lot of windโ€.
If you stick out, you are gonna get noticed.
@RyanM our cats are saying that at least it has got its priorities straight.
 
6:45 AM
@RyanM is Picasa still a thing? I thought it did tagging
 
@TylerH nope
Google Photos is the new Picasa, basically.
 
I follow that twitter account
google is so big it has no clue what products it has at any give time, I'm convinced
 
I have personally learned about several Google products when I read that they were being shut down
for better or worse, though, Google has not seen fit to appoint me arbiter of which products are shut down
 
@AndrewMyers There seems to be an omission. I searched that page, but I couldn't find "Privacy". Where do I file a bug?
 
6:56 AM
@CodyGray on Facebook
 
oh come on, they're counting stuff that never even launched. that's cheating.
 
That's true. They never launched privacy.
That was never a Google feature. I was being unfair.
 
I think it's fair; Google buys a crap ton of stuff only to shutter it just to get the IP rights so they don't have to fight it
 
play music dying was a pain :/
 
@TylerH I was actually referring to Dragonfly
 
6:59 AM
I could have sworn they discontinued Hangouts/Meet, but I have a subcontractor who still uses it for meetings, so... I guess not?
 
youtube music is arguably worse since it won't run with the screen off unless you pay for it
@CodyGray there's multiple products called hangouts
 
There... are? Are they all for video-conferencing meetings?
 

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