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1:40 AM
@NewPosts I honestly expected this to be a misidentification and people would answer to explain why we don't give our reasoning, to say to NLN flag comments along those lines, to tell people who suspect AI not to comment about it, etc. etc. But man it is blatant AI when one actually looks into it
Hopefully, ChatGPT can figure out whatever is wrong with that user's kid's bicycle.
man, remember when there used to be spammers who would complain about being treated that way when it was obvious
(oh wait, that's probably still a thing)
 
@E_net4 Normally I'd say that that's a pretty crappy reason to downvote someone's answer that stands alone without the...honestly, shockingly bad, and I've seen a lot...screenshot, but...the larger problem is that it's also wrong.
This answer appears to be conflating iPython itself with Jupyter notebooks (which are, roughly, based on iPython). Note that the question asks for an iPython feature "like the kernel restart function that exists in the notebook", while this answers where the feature they have stated that they already know about is. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
 
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Q: How to deal with questions about support of an ongoing feature?

KaiidoI met a question that was asking which Web browsers do support an incoming Web API. By "incoming" I mean there is at least one implementer, there is a well advanced specs PR, but the usual compatibility aggregators (caniuse and MDN) don't have a page yet even though the compatibility tests are wr...

 
 
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5:18 AM
@zoe what did you do? There were 3 close votes, now, thanks to you there are zero. — Salman A 8 hours ago
Zoe did the right thing.
 
@VLAZ When you take this along with the answer they posted xD
> You did the wrong thing by coming here and asking why someone wouldn't agree. Moderators may disagree with you, and there isn't any need to make it personal.
 
5:40 AM
Lol, yes. I'm tempted to answer the comment with the quote and a link to their answer. But that might be perceived as too passive-aggressive
 
 
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6:42 AM
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Q: Closing a meta post only to reopen it

Salman AI noticed the following activity on this post: Notice that the question was closed, then reopened, within 3 seconds. I thought it was an honest mistake but more I think about, more suspicious it looks. There wasn't any explanation by the moderator e.g. why would they go through the process of cl...

 
@NewPosts this highlights their answer even more. xD
 
 
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8:21 AM
@AbdulAzizBarkat XD
 
 
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10:30 AM
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Q: Python ThreadingHTTPServer interacting with the main thread how to?

Stewart Macfarlanethanks for reading in advance! So I have tried to research this issue through Google searches. but I'm not coming up with any answers to my specific query. It is possible my search criteria and/or syntax maybe the problem so I do apologise if this has been answered before, I just don't seem to ge...

 
10:46 AM
@VLAZ I was tempted to reply "you're welcome" :p
@NewPosts nice, didn't know there was a canonical for it
 
 
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2:06 PM
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Q: StackSnippets on stackoverflow

TruderWhy cant there be a automatic feature that detects if its html/css/js code and auto makes it into a stack snippet? This would be verry helpful and nice because I always find so many posts WITHOUT a stacksnippet.

 
 
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3:23 PM
on reflection, I bet that AI user used AI to write the Meta post, too.
Somehow the phrase lying robot feels straight out of ChatGPT's Turing-test repertoire.
 
"I am not a lying robot!" slams fists on table
 
3:58 PM
> I think C language is a good entry-level language. Because it combines the advantages of high-level languages and assembly languages
It...doesn't?
Also, I'm not sure on it being good entry-level language.
 
4:15 PM
People have all kinds of strange ideas out there.
 
4:52 PM
Might have been 30-40 years ago
I wonder what languages most Intro to Programming courses are using nowadays
 
Probably Python. Maybe also JS.
 
nah, wouldn't be js
Quick search showed Python at the top of the list, followed by Java, MATLAB, C++, C....
 
5:17 PM
good lord it's still java. :(
I guess universities hate c# on principle because microsoft
 
That's because MS is evil
 
as for js, I would guess that "web dev" is still treated as a separate academic stream from ordinary programming
 
probably, yeah
 
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Q: What do I need to improve on this question to have a better chance of answering it?

MarcoWhat do I need to improve on this question (How to get learning rate (LR) bounds (min and max values) wrt optimal LR found to use Cyclical Learning Rate method after the use of LR finder code?) to have a better chance of answering it? Even putting bounty on it I don't have any answers.

 
@NewPosts looks off-topic
 
5:29 PM
that's a hard sell with code in the question, but I do understand the argument
 
@Zoeisonstrike why?
 
@Marco Because it looks like you're asking about the theory, and not code. As an extreme comparison, imagine a question asking how to implement multiplication in code, but the question boils down to "how do you perform multiplication?" - that's math and off-topic, even if the question does have a weak connection to code
 
@Zoeisonstrike It is interdisciplinary. That's why I also used the machine learning tag.
 
@Marco Doesn't matter. If your question boils down to theory that has nothing to do with programming, it's off-topic
Failing that, asking how to implement a full algorithm is usually too broad
 
5:44 PM
@Zoeisonstrike I disagree. Your argument is weak. Ultimately, according to your argument, everything becomes an understanding of theory, because at first the person who has a programming problem often doesn't understand the logic of the solution, but also doesn't know how to program the logic that they don't know in the programming language.
 
@Marco You can disagree all you want, but these are the rules of the site
 
@Zoeisonstrike it's about me disagreeing that this is about the rules and thinking you're wrong.
 
The only matter of opinion here is whether or not the question falls into any of the off-topic exceptions, not whether or not those exceptions exist. Besides, if I was completely sure, I would've nuked the bounty and closed the question
And I'm already looking up concrete meta posts to make that happen
 
Well, have whatever opinion you want, if the question is closed, etc., including the question asked on SO, I will complain about this(these) situation(s).
The toxicity of SO is always increasing, impressive.
 
Got it: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/291015/6296561 meta.stackoverflow.com/a/380954/6296561 - algorithm + broad, the question is too focused on the implementation algorithm and not the code, thereby off-topic as the one current close vote already suggests
 
5:52 PM
Ok, I'll start complaining, including to the Stack Exchange staff if neccesary!
 
Go right ahead. Here's the contact form: stackoverflow.com/contact
 
@Zoeisonstrike I already know the link, you didn't need to send it to me.
 
And now, back to checking if I screwed up my move constructor implementation
 
Make sure to include it into the complaint: "Zoe was being too helpful to me!"
 
 
5:54 PM
@Feeds Eh
This is technically wrong
 
@VLAZ of course Zoe didn't help me!!
 
The actual earth formation site is probably at least a few lightyears away at this point because we move around the center of the galaxy, which moves around other galaxies, which may move around in bigger structures
Aren't superclusters a thing?
Yes, but that's one level too low
I was thinking about the galaxy filament
@VLAZ I should get that on a mug :p
 
@Zoeisonstrike <insert image of a mug with the word "that" on it>
 
@VLAZ Huh. Oddly, I don't see that anywhere.
Do not get a thing just to make that mug....
I'd never use it again anyway. Bad idea. Bad.... maybe...
 
6:06 PM
I believe that SE staff don't like toxicity on SE, much less from moderators.
 
Doesn't Urban Dictionary have a thing that lets you get definitions on mugs?
Not quite a mug with just "that", but maybe close enough
 
@VLAZ from what I remember you can actually write inline assembly in C code. So technically that's not wrong.
 
It seems like some moderators think they own Stack Exchange and that they can do whatever they want. haha. But NO, they CAN'T!
 
You might be able to remove the definition, but it'll still have the urban dictionary logo on it
 
lol, nice find!
 
6:09 PM
@AbdulAzizBarkat you can in C++ too
 
Yeah, although I don't know how that would make these a good entry level language.
 
The funniest thing is that some say they are on strike on SE, despite continuing to work hahaha
They hate SE so much, they say they're on strike, but they keep working haha
Weird
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat I'm not entirely sure entry level languages really exist by virtue of the language itself, but rather as a consequence of available entry-level documentation. I mean, sure, some mechanics overcomplicate a language, but every language has obscure or complicated mechanics
Like, I've seen multiple beginners screw up Python's dict or list comprehension syntax, but that's usually fine because that isn't the thing that gets mentioned in the first lesson or lecture or whatever
 
I'd say C is a good language to begin with in case you want a good understanding of the fundamentals, on e you learn the basics it would be good to follow up with some object oriented language.
 
Depends on which fundamentals, imo. You can get most of the same higher level fundamentals in other languages, but if you're referring to understanding memory management, C is indeed better for that
 
6:20 PM
In my case I began my journey with Java in school. Our teacher wasn't that great so I never understood objects at that point. I later learnt C and then Java again in college. At this point objects really began making sense to me.
 
The problem with a lot of school courses is that they only scratch the surface. It's more exposure than deep learning
 
I started with java too, but not for any particular reason. it was just the first language I found
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat In uni, we started with Java in the first year. Then we got to C and C++ in the second year. I'm not sure C would have been a good introduction - there is technically less to learn (C is simpler) but also more to manage. It definitely was easier to write C after knowing the fundamentals of CS theory.
 
My first college, C++ was used for Intro to Programming. My second, I took C++, Java, then circled back around to a truly horrible Intro to Programming course that "used" Python
 
@aynber yeah from what I remember the explanation for classes and objects were something like: Object is an instance of a class and Class is the blueprint for objects. Technically that's right but it is a very vague explanation. xD
 
6:28 PM
My uni did python, then java (though I hear they switched from java to C++)
 
Amusingly, I never got good C++ knowledge. The lecturer we had was...not great. I did my C++ assignment in mostly C and some (badly written) classes.
 
I can't remember if I took the Intro at the same time as COBOL. That was a fun semester...
 
and then assembly for some reason
 
My Python intro class was a language-agnostic concept book, and a Word document with a few words about Python and "here's the link to the documentation"
worst online class ever
 
6:32 PM
lol, we had a JS course. Well, it was actually two lectures from the web course. The lecturer said "JS is so easy, I'll teach it to you in two lectures". Then gave us a tour of "these are the keywords and control structures" then "use alert to display information" and that was it.
 
oh boy
 
6:44 PM
It really annoys me that FF devtools struggle with websockets
The socket is reported as disconnected after a couple messages at most, even though it clearly isn't (because it's the chat socket, and I'm still getting messages, so it's obviously not borked)
 
7:03 PM
I hate creating support tickets. It feels like such a failure. And then I get wonderful responses like "here's the documentation"
 
Is it at least a robot response?
 
Nope
 
@aynber I love create Stack Exchange support tickets.
 
Sure beats making discord support tickets
 
I like beats.
 
7:18 PM
I like trains
 
Both exist in fallout 76
 
I like beating trains. Unfortunately, I'm not fast enough
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huh.. on second thought, that sounds more disturbing than I meant it
 
Poor trains :p
 
@aynber *pictures aynber running after a train waving a stick and yelling "Just wait until I catch you!"*
 
There's a bot for this
 
7:33 PM
in C#, 33 secs ago, by VLAZ
/imagine somebody running after a train trying to beat it with a stick
 
@VLAZ Hahaha, that's an awesome image
 
in C#, 47 secs ago, by OakBot
@VLAZ Bad human! You are over quota and can't make any more requests right now. Try again in 18 hours.
 
lol
 
Absolutely priceless
 
7:33 PM
LOL
That. Is. Awesome.
 
I'm impressed with the speech bubble. It didn't use to produce legible text.
 
how are shoes not on the ground producing poofs of dust
 
Shhh. Next you'll ask why the planks between the rails aren't aligned.
The answer is simple.
<--- read my avatar
 
Instructions unclear, arrow points to whitespace
 
(I expected the avatar to be where the arrow was)
(magic(k))
 
7:48 PM
at least there's 5 fingers
there's 2 capes
or is that like a skirt + a cape
 
apron?
 
The "beating trains with stick" gown.
 
Sadge, the /imagine quota is apparently just 2
 
james lets you make far more queries
 
@Zoeisonstrike thought it was 3-4
maybe it was changed when oak got updated with new models to use
 
8:01 PM
@VLAZ it might be 3, but I had a query that errored out
In unrelated news, boson should now remain connected to the websocket. Had to add more error detection systems because, apparently, the websocket can quietly die without disconnecting
 
Long live Boson!
 
8:17 PM
And now, back to retrieving the one ring for our lord and saviour, Boson
 
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Q: Share answer link does not expand to StackOverflow link with title in questions/answers in SO posts

sdbbsIf in a Stack Overflow post (question or answer), I paste the full link to a question, say: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55244727/powershell-equivalent-of-batch-command-start-to-open-window-with-mapped-drive ... then in the final HTML output, it gets "expanded" to a full HTML link (after ...

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Q: Better code support

s4D_t0yI want that stack overflow to have better code support. At the very least, there should be some simple formatting, linting, and syntax highlighting, and (PLEASE) tab key functionality. I know that SO might be expecting people to open the code in an external code editor and than paste it into the ...

 
@NewPosts Reasonable, to be honest. Just a dupe.
 
@VLAZ Should also upgrade it with vim keybinds while we're at it /s
... on the other hand, since no one can exit vim, that would mean no one would be able to exit the editor, which would be great for engagement
 
@Zoeisonstrike /s not even needed
 
8:28 PM
Not like I'm a vim wizard or anything like that (e.g., a Zoe). But I can at least manage it. And I like being able to use keyboard-only at times. Vim makes that super good. Today I learned the shortcut "dt x" where "dt" is for deleting until and "x" is the character you want to reach. Pretty good to clear out text in double quotes
 
If you want to delete text inside quotes, you can use di"
 
does that go in both directions?
 
With dtx, it's actually the d that's for "delete". t is for "till", and x is still the target character. tx itself is a text object, and you can replace that with a bunch of stuff. i" is "inside ""
@VLAZ you can be anywhere inside a quote, and clear out the entire string with it
 
@Zoeisonstrike yes, the x was the placeholder
@Zoeisonstrike Thanks! I'm learning so much vim :P
 
I wrote quotes, but meant brackets
:help text-objects has a list if you're interested in the valid operators
 
8:36 PM
I'm actually impressed by the bracket uspport
 
@VLAZ you might also find % useful, which jumps between bracket pairs. Doesn't work with strings IIRC
but pretty useful anyway
 
Man, I wish I was using vim more. The problem is that at work, I am using Rider for most code and trying to switch would take a lot of time. And I don't write that much outside of work.
I should probably change all my writing to be in vim outside of work, so I get more practice.
 
Rider is C#, right?
Looks like LSP support for C# is somewhat weak
 
Yep, C#. Also use it for TS.
 
There's at least github.com/coc-extensions/coc-omnisharp?tab=readme-ov-file (which cites a different option in the readme, but whatever)
@VLAZ There's plenty of pre-made configurations you can steal at least :p
 
8:49 PM
If I were using Visual Studio, I'd gladly move to vim from it. It's just...weirdly bad. Like, it's not the worst or anything but it is oddly slow and oddly lacks support for what I'd consider exceptionally basic functionality. And all the developers who have been using only C# just couldn't understand why I'd consider it slow and missing features when I moved over from Java.
But Rider is pretty good. Except it eats a lot of RAM for some projects but other than that, it has excellent tooling.
 
On the bright side, you aren't using java :p Java is one of the few things I use anything else for
But that's because the only LSP available is the Eclipse LSP, and it sucks
 
I imagine there should be pretty decent support for JS and/or TS with vim. I should try to set it up and see how it goes.
 
yeah, TS and JS are pretty well-supported
 
From being wide-spread and also a lot of other tools just suck with them.
Or used to suck. There are better alternatives nowadays. And I find myself just using a notepad often.
 
IIRC, I use tsserver with JS and TS
It's fine, but slightly annoying with JS
 
8:52 PM
Well, that goes with JS I guess
 
Yeah, tsserver
@VLAZ pretty much. tsserver is fairly strict about type checking, and I don't care enough to figure out how the type comments work
 
I'm on holiday soon and also away from my main PC. On my laptop which runs only Manjaro, to boot. Perfect time to try and use vim more :)
 
It's fine with typescript, but types are intentionally supported there
@VLAZ It does run better on linux in my experience
Windows tends to get weird whenever subprocesses are spawned, at least with the LSP client I use
 
Even with WSL?
 
Probably not with WSL, but I use gvim for the extra input options
 
8:56 PM
I see.
 
Terminals don't like certain key combinations for some reason
Something something same character code
Fortunately, I don't work enough on windows for it to be a problem that I need to solve
 
At work, I have to. Most the tooling is Windows-based. It's for C#, after all. It's multiplatform nowadays but still most the tooling is for Windows. Even if IT would allow running Linux on a work computer (which they don't, since they want to maintain everything the same way), it'd be a pain to set up and stay compatible with Windows users.
At my old workplace we were just doing Java and were completely free with which OS we wanted. Some of the tooling worked even better on Linux.
 
At my home PC I can't be bothered to dual boot nowadays. I just keep Windows for gaming. And I have a web browser. WSL deals with anything I need to do which is code-related. On the rare occasions I do any building of projects and such (and not just edit in Notepad++), I use WSL for it.
 
I daily-drive linux on my main machine. I do dualboot, but I never bother booting into windows. But all the games I play are either linux native or work with proton, so that's a non-issue for me
 
9:03 PM
I used to dual-boot. But I don't want to keep restarting for that. And a VM is a bit of a waste, too. I've a Linux laptop, at least.
 
I just can't be bothered with windows updating :p
Oh, and the bios time changes, because Linux stores time in UTC+0, while Windows stores it in localtime
 
9:19 PM
@Zoeisonstrike Bane of my life... Also one of the reasons I didn't want to dual boot
@Zoeisonstrike The other bane of my life
 
 
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Q: What do I need to improve on the 78360208 ID question to have a better chance of answering it?

MarcoWhat do I need to improve on this question (Investigation about Keras history callback loss not matching with console output of loss) to have a better chance of answering it? Even putting bounty on it I don't have any answers.

 
11:00 PM
@NewPosts Isn't that, by admission, an exact dupe of stackoverflow.com/q/66629641/6296561 ?
 
@Zoeisonstrike no
new question
Well, I don't understand what you said, one question is a meta question, and another is not.
 
You deferred the explanation of the problem to a different question, and you seem to be asking the exact same thing (though not necessarily explicitly. "Why is this happening and how can I fix it" is implied by most debugging questions)
 
Yes, but it is not a duplicate question, I am just referencing it, as there was no answer in the question. Are you going to close the question again? Go ahead!
New SE ticket is coming if it occurs.
 
You know that there not being an answer to an existing question doesn't make it not a dupe, right?
 
@Zoeisonstrike no, where it is written?
but that's not the issue, the issue is that my question is not a duplicate, I want an answer and the old question didn't have one.
 
11:06 PM
Sigh
 
I can't even offer a bounty for the question I mentioned, I don't know why.
 
IIRC, there's a limit to how many bounties you can have at the same time
 
As far as I remember, I hadn't offered any when I checked that it wasn't possible to offer a bounty for the question I mentioned, but I'm not 100% sure.
 
@Marco There's meta.stackexchange.com/q/7046/332043, which is specifically about own questions, there's meta.stackexchange.com/a/306243/332043, which is specifically for other people posting questions without any answers and includes several exceptions where it's fine, none of which are met
There's also meta.stackoverflow.com/a/339627/6296561 on MSO stating more or less the same thing as the second MSE source, but without the exceptions
There's also the tangentially related meta.stackoverflow.com/a/401778/6296561, which is about handling duplicate closure, so overlaps with MSE#1
 
I consider that my question has more quality than the one I mentioned, so I don't consider it duplicate.
I mentioned the use of a callback with which you can check the problem easier.
 
11:20 PM
You have no details and you defer to the other question to describe the problem; it's not higher, and it's debatable if the use of a link to describe the problem is enough to meet the MCVE requirement
 
Yes, the question have details, what you say is just an opinion. But go ahead, close the question! Aren't you as eager to do this as always?
What link?
Ah
Question link
 
I was waiting for someone else to sanity-check
 
Great
 
The meta effect is wonderful, isn't it?
 

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