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2:00 PM
Jun 30 '12 at 21:03, by StackedCrooked
@CatPlusPlus That kind of sucks. Piracy helps though.
Aug 8 '12 at 12:54, by DeadMG
piracy is nothing more than the consumer correcting their flaws.
 
@Neil Yes this is very related
THE HUMANS ARE PRACTICALLY NON-EXISTENT
BUT HEY IT'S SUBJECTIVE
 
@CatPlusPlus Burden of proof? Now you're asking me to prove why I think the weather is lovely today?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Internet broke me
I don't know if you're just acting retarded or really are
 
sbi
@DeadMG Ah, so if I am saying "I don't have the right, but I do it anyway", then that's fine?
Haha.
 
2:02 PM
Anyway, food
 
sbi
@jalf Why do discussions with you always have to end in shouting?
 
@CatPlusPlus Have some love <3
 
This food order site is absolutely terribly implemented
 
cry me a fucking river
 
2:02 PM
:qq:
 
What do you need a river for?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit build a bridge and get over it?
 
I wish to drown myself in it
 
I find a river of tears to be impractical
 
To drown maybe
 
2:02 PM
To bath in obviously
 
after fucking in it
can't you read?
 
@DeadMG you don't like swimming?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ahahahaha, I interpreted it more as a river that could fuck
 
@DeadMG It's not a river, because saltwater, right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes As if rivers were created by man
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rivers need be saltwater?
 
2:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they're usually freshwater. is your remark based upon the principle that tears are generally salty?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, freshwater.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Acknowledged.
 
ITT rivers of salty tears
 
I don't think they need to strictly be of non-salty variety to classify as rivers
 
2:04 PM
STOP RUINING MY JOKE FUCK FACTS
6
 
oh gawd, pedants
 
That's why you can sometimes find sea fish in rivers. Because salt.
 
you are terrible
 
hilarious, is more the correct term
 
@sbi from what I've noticed, they tend to end with you declaring, completely out of nowhere that I am shouting. I am kind of curious what gave you that impression this time
 
2:05 PM
Your joke was bad and we had more fun ruining it
 
@kbok No, because they climb up the river (salmon) or they are at the mouth :P
 
argh
 
sbi
@jalf It might be that you "threatening" to plonk me might have something to do with it.
 
Unless it's just something you say to avoid having to admit to being less than omniscient...
 
some silly LLVM function is just dumping an error text to stdout and then terminating the process.
 
2:05 PM
@jalf Not sure why you bother. Learning fail!
 
This conversation is so hilarious, I'm in this kind of bliss :P
 
how am I going to read it if you terminate the process.
 
@sbi in a nutshell? Yes, exactly.
 
> FUCK FACTS
 
@sbi A handy hint: THIS IS SHOUTING, and this is not. Hope that helps.
 
2:06 PM
Meat sounds.
 
It's only shouting if you've got really big head
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is this shouting or not? Make up your mind.
 
Who cares about shouting on the Internet?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Assertion? :P
 
@sbi I am pretty sure that does not constitute shouting. Quite the contrary. It means "I have no interest in listening to your raving". Whereas shouting is more like "I have an interest in forcing you to listen to my raving"
 
user142019
2:07 PM
STOP SHOUTING
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Young man, if I threaten to plonk someone, then a controversial discussion has degenerated to violent. I'd call that shouting, even if no raised tone is involved.
 
@Xeo Nope, VS breaks on those.
 
STAHP
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Signal?
 
sbi
6 mins ago, by sbi
Haha.
 
2:08 PM
@sbi and that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
 
Signals are SEH exceptions and should be caught too
afair
 
@Xeo Expecting SEH exception in that case.
 
Xeo
hm
I'd really wonder if it does exit(1)
 
You have to turn on whether VS breaks on exceptions
 
Oooh, a discussion on piracy. Thank the flying spaghetti monster I missed it.
 
2:09 PM
@sbi Your internet skin is ... rather thin. Violence? No. I think jalf was just getting fed up of your obstinance, and understandably so!
 
Xeo
Register an exit_handler and see :D
 
@DomagojPandža Yea, don't start it again.
 
@DeadMG fatal_something? you can install a handler for it, but it have to call terminate anyway)
 
But in the future I would appreciate it if you did not use the whole "now he is shouting again" routine as a get-out-of-jail free card to somehow assert your omniscience and superiority.
 
i need sugar
 
2:09 PM
You know, unless there's actual shouting involved
 
@TonyTheLion How was work today? :D
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My Internet skin has been growing over almost 20 years and is thick enough for my purposes. I have learned to leave communities where discussions turned into flamewars, or to attempt to stop people who work up easily, if I care enough.
 
@sbi "to attempt to people who work up easily, if I care enough"
 
I think you a word
 
@DomagojPandža Work is pretty good :)
 
sbi
2:14 PM
@jalf And that was exactly my point: His opinion is his opinion and he's entitled to it. Good to see you come around.
 
@DeadMG You must plink, so we can mock someone with less effort.
 
@sbi what.
 
Taking a break to install my new SSD hard drive! Yay!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Finally decided to install it, huh?
 
Where did anyone say he didn't have the right to that opinion?
Are we reading the same chat?
 
sbi
2:15 PM
@jalf You just made my original point.
 
Jesus, I really don't feel like writing any more code today.
 
by saying that a person is entitled to his opinion I proved your point that half the regulars in this room are regularly pirating?
 
@DomagojPandža Story of my life
 
@DomagojPandža Find some code you can edit out without loss -- it'll do more good anyway.
 
2:16 PM
If you can't form a coherent argument, perhaps we should leave this for another day?
because I really don't want to be accused of shouting again the next time you run out of arguments.
 
Oh hey, Jalf is arguing again.
Wonderful.
 
does VC++ toolset has an assembler?
 
Also yay, trying to understand SASL
 
@Abyx MASM?
Every C++ toolset has an assembler
 
@CatPlusPlus does VC++ toolset (Win SDK) has masm?
@CatPlusPlus nope (not as a separate application)
 
2:18 PM
@Abyx do you just need to know if it can process assembly code, or what the name of the command-line assembler is?
 
user142019
@Abyx which one doesn't?
 
@jalf I want to know if is there masm.exe
 
user142019
Why would it have to be a separate application?
 
@Cat do you use gvim on Windows with more than one screen?
 
user142019
What's the difference between clang foo.S and as foo.S?
 
2:20 PM
Does it insist on going back to the main screen when you open a new window?
 
ok, if there is some analogue to as.exe
 
Most apps insist on going back to main screen
 
lol, somebody bountied the book question. I wonder if that can be abused to keep the book question from getting closed.
 
@Abyx doesn't look like there is. It might just be integrated into cl.exe then. Anyone know?
 
I don't mean when you start it anew. I mean if I :vsplit, it jumps back to it.
 
2:20 PM
I have this maximize thing I could maybe restore the screen but meh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, no that doesn't happen
 
It's annoying as fuck.
 
@Abyx The executable for MASM is ml.exe. It was named MASM.EXE a long time ago (MASM 5.1 and older), and you may still find a MASM.EXE, but if so you do not want to use it (it's either an ancient assembler, or a font-end to try to make ml.exe emulate as many bugs of MASM 5.1 a possible).
 
Xeo
@DomagojPandža That would imply that PHP can pack a punch
 
2:22 PM
@JerryCoffin ah, ml.exe. thanks
 
@Abyx But yes, VS 2012 (for example) includes ml.exe.
 
Can't google this easily :(
 
yep, VC++11 has it, but WinSDK 7.1 doesn't
 
@EtiennedeMartel Stupid people are always a goldmine
 
@EtiennedeMartel hilarious :)
 
2:23 PM
speaking of ml, I want a strawberry milkshake
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's more depressing than anything else.
 
@Abyx I'd have to look to be sure, but at least the last time I noticed, ml was in the DDK instead.
 
That there's at least one person who thinks that, I mean.
 
@EtiennedeMartel depressingly hilarious?
People don't seem to know that Google Maps exists
or some shit
 
well, I was just checking if clang uses masm to generate .o files or not
 
sbi
2:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I ran into it the other day and still have a sore neck for having to shake my head so much.
 
@TonyTheLion Worse: they know it exists, and just don't give enough of a shit to bother using it.
 
I'd like to be a cat. Anchor myself to some soft pillow with a skillful application of Earth's gravitational field and give a shit about nothing.
 
@JerryCoffin also probable
 
@TonyTheLion I doubt anybody would want to read it, but I could probably write a small book named something like: "Times I've been most embarrassed to be American."
3
 
@JerryCoffin haha
 
2:27 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's too much :(
 
"share the pain"
 
@JerryCoffin I'm sure a lot of non-Americans would read it :)
 
@jalf Just to prove their point?! :)
 
And now PayPal frontend is all fucked up
What is this shit
 
I like how a lot of those retarded tweets have a bunch of retweets and favorites.
 
2:29 PM
Let's look at the bright side: it's a just the vocal minority, given a voice through social networks.
 
They sure are vocal. How do you know it's a minority, though?
 
@EtiennedeMartel also, there are stupid people in every country.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wishful thinking.
 
that's sad
esp. the earthquake stuff :(
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Sadly, IME it's definitely not minor enough. I've met such ignorance in the early 90s all over the US.
 
2:32 PM
Honestly, I don't get all the bashing on Americans. They're great. If not better than most considering what they've done in just a few centuries. There's a lot of US citizens and the stupid minority also gets fat and outspoken -- and well -- shit happens.
 
@sbi Agreed.
 
@jalf also, for a more cheerful approach to stupid people, dan.hersam.com/2004/07/28/australian-tourism :)
 
And basically, I've never liked the idea that someone could claim that nationality has an impact on one's capabilities or intelligence. If someone's stupid, might as well be from the Asgard's homeworld.
 
@jalf Maybe -- but some of them you'd probably almost have to know quite a bit of silly trivia about America before you "got" it.
 
@DomagojPandža I don't think anyone has been making the claim that it's the nationality that's doing it though
 
2:34 PM
@DomagojPandža We're not talking about being stupid.
 
Racists can be smart.
 
we are talking about stupidity all the time
 
Actual knowledge has nothing to do with inteligence.
 
@BartekBanachewicz We just usually call it "PHP" or "Java", you mean?
 
2:36 PM
fuck this, dynarray, fuck that, php, fuck this too, piracy, fuck this thing in particular, java
 
@EtiennedeMartel Most are just extremely dumb though
 
<insert appropriate gif third time today>
 
I've always felt that the United States are the closest thing we have to the United Federation of Planets. Many people with a varying ethnic and religious backgrounds working together under a single banner.
 
lol together.
 
@DomagojPandža working together?
 
2:37 PM
Well, it's an expression.
 
Is there a general term for an element which serves as a negative feedback control / mediator in a systen?
 
@DomagojPandža And scared of their government.
 
the immigrants don't feel shit for US
 
something like “safety valve” but general
 
they just want to get, not to give
 
2:37 PM
@KonradRudolph Fuse?
 
so it's hardly together, it's more like a society with a parasite
 
sbi
IME an important divider is between Merkins that have lived abroad for a while (and be it only 6 months in Canandada) and those who never left the US.
 
user1357851
Most human are retarded. If there was a next life, I don't want to be a human again
 
@sbi Canandada!
 
@BartekBanachewicz just like the rich people in the country? And, well, quite a lot of other Americans too?
 
2:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, that blows the system rather than down-adjusting it
 
I don't think it's fair to call out immigrants (especially since the US is built on nothing but immigrants)
 
I like to think of it as what would happen if the world was playing jeopardy, and only americans had a microphone to their lips when they spoke what they thought the answer was
 
@Telkitty Great, from nationality-based intelligence attacks to species-wide intelligence attacks. Progress.
 
Most people in other countries don't have computers to post their idiocy imo
 
2:38 PM
IC
 
@KonradRudolph Oh, so it's just some kind of regulator?
 
cowworkers in Canandada
 
I say most, to mean that most countries are not developed countries
 
user1357851
@DomagojPandža I am not a racist, all people are created pretty much equally dumb. Happy now?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I hate when he does that.
 
sbi
2:39 PM
Oh.
Jul 7 '12 at 22:20, by sbi
@Cicada IME, there is an incredibly huge difference between Americans who have lived abroad (and be it only 6 months in Canadada), and those who had never left the country (except for two-week holidays, that is). I'm not sure leaving the country is the reason for the difference, but there certainly is a very strong correlation.
I said that before.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then why did they move to America? You underestimate what a major effort, both mental and physical, it is to leave one’s own country and go elsewhere … it’s hard not to form some kind of attachment
 
@sbi Wow, you're really getting old.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah … but a fancy word ^^
 
@Telkitty I look at the Lounge and I see a lot of smart people. And I know a lot of dumb people. Generalization makes no sense.
 
i doubt leaving the country has anything to do with it really
 
2:40 PM
@sbi Yeah, that, pretty much. I guess you could generalize it as "people who would would like to live abroad", since even they tend to be much more interested/engaged in the world and less ignorant
 
user1357851
@sbi and you believed Cicade was a chick, irony
 
except that more affluent people are in a position to leave, i guess
 
sbi
@Neil They mostly also don't have as much chance to get an education that lets them tell Chechnya from Czech.
 
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
the immigrants don't feel shit for US
 
sbi
@jalf "I'm not sure leaving the country is the reason for the difference, but there certainly is a very strong correlation."
 
2:40 PM
@sbi That's a good point.. all the more reason to be embarrassed
 
@DomagojPandža So, from that we can conclude that the people you know are all dumb, and everyone in the lounge are smart. Generalizations ftw :)
 
user1357851
@DomagojPandža Depends on your standard & I have a high standard :x
 
@KonradRudolph I think something thermostat would fit, but that's specific to some kind of system.
 
Nationalism, so progressive
 
@sbi nods
I'm not arguing with that :)
 
2:41 PM
I don't feel shit for any country
 
@KonradRudolph I am recently watching all of Max Kolonko's videos. And while you prolly don't get know him at all (well, Polish journalist living in US), he is making valid points: people living in US that are not native don't want to integrate. they keep their language and customs. They go to the streets with signs "islam will dominate"
 
sbi
@jalf No? Are you Ok?? Do you feel sick? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz “people living in US that are not native don't want to integrate” – That’s racist bullshit
 
@KonradRudolph but that's hardly a minority.
 
Come on people, we're never going to be a type 1 civilization being the nationalists that we are...
 
2:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It’s simply false
 
@KonradRudolph It must be true I've heard it on TV
 
@sbi I dunno -- I like to think I'm a bit less "Merkin" than most Americans, but I've never been out of the US for as much as 6 months at a time. My cumulative total might come close to six months, but mostly only a few weeks at a time.
 
I'm lost, somebody help find me?
 
:lol:
 
@KonradRudolph well, it certainly isn't true for every of those folks
 
2:43 PM
@sbi Yeeeah, on the other hand, is that really a big deal? I can't remember all the US states either. There are a lot of states, nations and cities in the world. Can hardly blame people for not knowing all the ones on the other side of the world.
 
@jalf Nope. It's actually the opposite. There are smart people in the Lounge and then you have an impostor like Telkitty in here. And away from keyboard, you can run in to some pretty fucked up people and yet restore faith in humanity with one brilliant specimen.
 
@JerryCoffin Talking to non-Americans counts for a lot too
 
Also, I am not in the us, so my POV is rather objective. I don't feel strong for any side really
 
@BartekBanachewicz There is no reason to assume that it’s true for the majority (or even a large minority). In Germany we actually have data for that … first-generation immigrants: great efforts. Second generation: disillusion at being treated like shit, voluntary insulation
 
What I'm trying to say, you can't judge everyone from a small sample of people. No matter how jittered.
 
2:44 PM
@jalf Lets just say that the US has less of an excuse than most to feign ignorance
 
@jalf What annoyed me the most in what Étienne linked was the general reaction against the subjects' nationality, not really the fact that they don't know geography.
 
sbi
@jalf I'd like to think that the percentage of Europeans who'd look up a country in a map before calling to bombing it is considerably bigger than in the US.
 
I think a lot of the "Americans suck at Geography" thing is a bit unfair, tbh. Which isn't to say that there aren't a lot of gaping holes in the typical American education, of course. Just that, well, we tend to hold them to unreasonable standards when we laugh about their Geography skills
 
The longest I've been out of the US is almost a month. Not sure if that counts for anything.
 
user1357851
Here is a list of country I have lived in (more than a holiday that is) China 10+ years, Australia 15+ years, Singapore 3+ years, U.S. 6 months, U.K 3 months (I am so old)
 
2:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep, standard racism (and stop putting an accent on my E)
 
"I'm not in the US but I know better than you dumb merkins"
 
@sbi Hopefully :)
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Didn't you once say something about having lived in Europe for a while?
 
@KonradRudolph Thanks, but I'm very happy with manual memory management when I deal with n-D row-major array and interoperability with FFTW... — Pascail 2 hours ago
arrrgh!
 
2:45 PM
@KonradRudolph again, that's what I've heard. It went out after the guy who won a large lottery in the us turned out to be illegal
if the actual situation in US is radically different, well, that's newsflash for me
 
That’s the problem with hearsay – it always tends to overemphasise extreme cases
 
well, it can't be extreme because it would probably have more pronounced effect
but not wanting to integrate is not about extremes
it's about day-to-day, IMHO
 
@sbi Don't think so. If I did, it must have been a lie. I've been to Europe a number of times, but the longest single trip was still less than a month, if memory serves.
 
@TonyTheLion Some cats also have no problem replacing mice with humans for food. :D
 
2:47 PM
@TonyTheLion Is that real or shopped?
 
@Mysticial not sure
it came from the Interwebs, could be real or unreal or anything in between
from a movie apperantly
 
@KonradRudolph oh it's this guy returning a pointer :/
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Well, as @jalf says, you've been catting with an international community at least for more than a decade now. (Also, a statistic correlation does not imply a correlation for every sample.)
 
ok, I'm heading home. Have fun all
 
And you wonder why C++ is bad
 
2:48 PM
I wanted to say something about it and then I was like "I honestly can't stand another noob"
 
Basically, I like everyone and give everyone a chance. Example, when I returned to the Lounge two months ago, I didn't have anything against Telkitty. Now I want to feed her to the swimming cat Tony posted.
 
oh hey, it's Tony!
 
Ugh "modern C++". I prefer calling it "last millenium's C++" :S
 
2:49 PM
 
C++03 still had new
 
I distincly recall you posting it way earlier though (perhaps in chat), which is likely gonna be around the time ISS published this photo, i.e. may 2012 (picture taken 2012:04:05 23:52:53.08): spaceinimages.esa.int/Images/2012/05/Berlin_at_night
 
@DaggNabbit thanks for finding me.
7 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
I'm lost, somebody help find me?
 
> An adult male lion rests in the African sun. Only adult males have manes, ruffs of long, thick hair. The bigger the mane, the more impressive a lion looks to other males.
 
^ this
 
2:50 PM
This makes a cool desktop background, too:
 
@sbi True, but I tend to think in my case it's at least as much about up-bringing as what I've done as an adult. My dad, especially, was entirely self-taught (never attended a regular school), and I suspect that broadened his perspective considerably.
 
I prefer Hadfield's.
 
@sehe Looks like a galaxy really
 
Microsoft has teamed up with Aperture Science to bring forth C++11 support to MSVC11. Apparently, C++ake is a lie.
 
sbi
@sehe Wow. (I am impressed. Both by your ability to find this, and by mine to have forgotten about it.)
 
2:51 PM
@sehe Burlin.
 
@sbi Hehe. I'm only amazed by how difficult it was to find that. I'll retweet the tweet search page, since I just heard about that. I spend some good time searching chat history last night, and twitter search... Well it's a lost cause :|
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I have met a few self-taught in the midwest and I wasn't impressed about the width of their knowledge of the world. :-/ But, yeah, as I said, it's a correlation, and I am not sure about the causality in this.
 
@TonyTheLion I've decided to take a leave of absence to try to find myself. If you see me before I get back, could you get me to wait for me until I do?
 
@Neil welcome to the extremely special relativity interpretation of parallell universes :>
 
@sehe Did you try Google search by image with site:chat.stackoverflow.com?
 
2:52 PM
@DomagojPandža But the cake itsn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course (well, actually, many equivalent searches. trying that too now)
 
sbi
@jalf It's less the educational level that I find baffling, but more the attitude.
For example, two brothers of my great great grandfather emigrated to the US >100 years ago, and in the early 90s we visited some descendants, which were very proud to have their "cousins from Germany". So they organized a "family reunion", and brought a cake, with the outline of the US and Germany on it, and the US flag, and... they didn't know what the German flag looks like.
Now, again, I am not condemning them for not knowing all the flags in the world (I'd be hard pressed to pick your country's if it was shown to me), but I was totally amazed about their inability to find an atlas or whatever that has a list of flags within a family of many dozen people spread out over three US states.
 
YOu don't know Denmark's flag? Shame on you.
 
@sehe Not claming it is one, mind you. I'm not that trippy
 
taadaaa
all the flags you need :P
 
2:55 PM
There's no Denmark there.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have seen it many times in that Scandinavian comic @jalf keeps posting. But you you that I am forgetful...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's no Poland either ^^
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's like Sweden's, but blue and yellow instead of red and white, isn't it (or did I get those backwards?)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, isn't that the one in front?
@JerryCoffin Backwards.
 
The flag of Poland consists of two horizontal stripes of equal width, the upper one white and the lower one red. The two colors are defined in the Polish constitution as the national colors. A variant of the flag with the national coat of arms in the middle of the white stripe is legally reserved for official use abroad and at sea. A similar flag with the addition of a swallow-tail is used as the naval ensign of Poland. White and red were officially adopted as national colors in 1831. They are of heraldic origin and derive from the tinctures (colors) of the coats of arms of the two const...
 
2:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a pokeball. Poland is upside down, I think.
 
so technically, no, there's no Polish flag there
 
Yes, balls roll. So what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn -- I'm gonna be banned from visiting any of Scandinavia if I'm not careful...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, it's by design, to offend poles more
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin You might enter backwards.
 
2:56 PM
man
 
I made a tiny change to my Wide compiler and every'fuckin'thing is breaking
 
Or amuse. I am not offended at all ofc
 
The detail is exquisite.
 
@DeadMG You changed the wrong thing :)
 
2:57 PM
@DomagojPandža I am pretty sure that's a wrong red.
 
lol
 
@JerryCoffin (FWIW I knew because it was brought up last week when I was talking with a Swede about Danish)
 
@JerryCoffin I'll try, cannot guarantee anything
 
@DeadMG SSS
Sure sign of suckage.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't know. I'm not Polished.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahaha
Stop posting flags
 
Yeah, it's more My Little Pony oriented.
 
we don't like flags
 
Lots of old italian flags here that have weathered over the years in such a way that the red is starting to look orange, which I find ironic since I doubt if they realize they're advocating that they're big Ireland fans
 
2:58 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's hard, OK.
 
The only flag I recognize.
 
@DomagojPandža They ripped off the UN flag.
 
@DomagojPandža yay for Civilization Kardashev Level 1!
 

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