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12:00 PM
oh I see
 
Let's holywar begin
 
@jalf (To the tune of "Let's talk about sex, baby")
@Ockonal good job, actually
 
> what the fuck even is a manager?
is that sentence grammatically sound?
that even seems rather out of place there.
 
Everything using "fuck" is automatically grammatically sound.
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12:03 PM
lol
 
I'm an Englishman. When I speak, it is valid English by default.
 
Glad I've settled that :)
 
@Ockonal basically, think about how to make your code usable. The way it's set up now, I can't use your LogManager, for example, unless I also have a Root, a ConfigManager, a DisplayManager and a dozen other things. What if I just want a logmanager? Maybe this is for your iPhone port where you need to scrap some of these classes, but want to reuse others. Maybe it's for your unit tests, which don't want to create 14 different global singleton classes, just to test if your Config class works
 
@DeadMG oh I see
 
12:03 PM
@TonyTheLion I'm glad that you do. I'd hate for you to be blind.
 
It should be able to create what you need, when you need it. If my code wants to create a configmanager, and then create another configmanager, then it should be possible to do that
 
It's sound urbanically speaking.
 
It shouldn't be tied to a singleton Root class, for example
 
@jalf User dosn't know and use Root. It just stores all managers. To get need manager I call: LogManager::Get()->...
 
Oh gods Root.
 
12:04 PM
@DeadMG can I use that clause as well?
 
@DeadMG damn you for literally interpreting my statement
 
And Get is a static function which takes pointer in Root
 
This is context god object squared.
 
Fuck ENGLISH
 
@thecoshman what, "What the fuck even is that"?
or "When I speak it's valid by default"
 
12:05 PM
@thecoshman No.
 
42 mins ago, by sbi
Never mess with a porcupine.
 
@DeadMG this one :P
 
are you English?
 
I don't see no porcupines?
 
See your dentist
 
12:06 PM
what?
 
Don't use Root objects.
 
@Ockonal the same applies. Say you want to write three different unit tests for your logmanager. Each of them should create a logmanager in their setup phase, then run their test code, and then destroy it. That way, each log test gets a fresh, "clean" logmanager", making your tests more stable, easier to understand and more reliable
 
no roots please
 
If it's a singleton, then you can't do that
 
@jalf Okay, I understand. thanks
 
12:08 PM
also it makes your API much more difficult to understand.
any dependencies are not immediately visible in the interface
 
now go and change your code before someone tackles you to the ground :P
 
Further, singletons give all your code access. Not all classes needs to access the configmanager or the displaymanager. But once you make those singletons, then it's easy to create these dependencies anyway
 
@jalf Even when they really shouldn't exist.
 
all sorts of unrelated code will go "oh, I'll just grab the displaymanager, since it's there anyway", where you should instead stop and ask "so why do I need the displaymanager here? It doesn't make logical sense? What can I change to get rid of this dependency"
anyway, read the link I posted above :)
 
we should have "scumbag singleton" meme
fits perfectly
 
12:10 PM
I'd rather go for "scumbag Tony"
I mean, it's not like anyone would need assistance in determining why we'd consider you a scumbag
 
already exists, you're talking to him right now
bitch
 
kek
 
I'm the scumbag of this room :P
 
@jalf Can't find any links
 
There's also the possibility of a SingletonHolder utility. You can then call SingletonHolder<T>::get() which returns a unique lazy instance of T even if T itself is not a singleton. Would that be just as evil?
 
12:11 PM
Yes.
 
I expected that.
 
everything containing the word Singleton is evil.
 
It still hides dependencies.
 
I saw a guy with the surname Singleton once, man he was evil :P
 
 
12:13 PM
@TonyTheLion Dictionaries are evil
 
Xeo
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Q: const_cast failing in c++

yogesh singhCallingClass::CallingFunc() { SomeClass obj; obj.Construct(*Singleton::GetInstance()); // passing the listener // Singleton::GetInstance() returns a static pointer. //Singleton is derived from IListener } SomeClass::Construct(const IListener&listener) { IListener* pListener = const_cast<I...

While we're on singletons and evilness...
 
@sehe lol
 
49 mins ago, by sbi
Never mess with a porcupine.
 
> obj.Construct(*Singleton::GetInstance()); <--- Urgh, I just barfed
 
Xeo
I hate that "vote on questions" reminder.
Sorry that most question don't even deserve moving my cursor in the general direction of the vote buttons...
 
12:17 PM
lol
@sehe I don't get that reference?
 
Lint's gone!
Note sling: Nites long song inlet in longest tennis log. Not single lento sign, stolen gin.
Damn, annagramming Singleton results in net losing lingo nets
 
@DeadMG Apparently, D's object class will get rid of equals, hashcode and stuff in the future!
> Investigate a robust migration path from the current use of opCmp, opEquals, toHash (we need to also investigate toString) to a world in which these methods don't exist in Object.
 
Gel In Snot
Sent -> Go NIL!
 
huh?
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow "to a world where Object doesn't exist" would be better
 
12:30 PM
lol
 
@DeadMG I killed the chat with anagrams of "Singleton"
18 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
everything containing the word Singleton is evil.
 
you really did
 
Too much honour, I presume. But still - the suggestion worked :)
 
man
demonoid.com got taken down :(
 
wasn't that, 4 months ago?
 
12:33 PM
there's been a lot of talk about that site
what was it for?
 
@sehe 2 weeks
 
@DeadMG oh. they all fall then
 
it was a torrent site that had a particular reputation for seeding older torrents
 
oh torrents
 
sides, I've been a member since like, 2005, and it was a useful place to obtain torrents
@sehe I doubt that. The Pirate Bay is still going.
besides, you take one down and another dozen crop up.
 
12:37 PM
@DeadMG Not through some UK ISPs
 
I miss btjunkie though.
 
@KianMayne Pfffft. L2Proxy.
the amount of traffic going to TBP through the UK is basically unchanged.
 
Xeo
@KianMayne There are proxy sites that embed tpb
 
> So I got straight on the dog to me trouble and said I couldn't believe me minces.
 
@TonyTheLion woof woof
 
12:38 PM
Here in Belgium The Pirate Bay is blocked. But you can easily access it by using Google DNS.
 
honestly
I'd have more sympathy if the content owners showed more signs of actually adapting to the digital age.
instead they seem to be the equivalent of tailors bitching that industrial looms put them out of business.
 
No way, everyone knows that piracy is the consumer's fault, duh.
 
which, if I recall, were the original Luddites.
 
Luddites!
 
@StackedCrooked Beaten.
 
12:40 PM
I know that it's possible to use proxies, I was just making the point that the pirate bay is not exactly as free as it used to be
@DeadMG I thought the original Luddites were the group who broke into some science lab and smashed everything. But alas, I thought wrong, but they did smash to looms
 
I don't do torrents, so I don't have any issues.
 
@KianMayne There is no evidence to suggest that any legal action has made a significant impact on the traffic they receive.
 
Pirate Bay can kiss my ass.
 
@DeadMG not really, that metaphor would imply they are complaining because would rather watch people do stupid crap on youtube then pay for a film. A better metaphor would be like Churches complaining because people can now read the bible them selves, and decided they actually don't care for what it says
 
I used to torrent a decent amount, all through Demonoid. Sad that it's down, but I hadn't used it in a year or more.
 
12:43 PM
in any case, it's really their own failures, as far as I am concerned.
often I'd be happy to pay for things that I've pirated, but it's simply not available
 
indeed
 
If I remember the article I read correctly, the server demonoid was on was shut down, but the owner is still free, so we may see it pop back up in some form.
 
I still like to physically own stuff though, so I do still buy DVD's but rarely at the prices they want for new
 
personally I'm more of a streaming kind of guy, at least, since I got cable.
 
@Collecter if that was so, I am sure it would be back up by now
 
12:44 PM
The only thing I care about owning physically is books
 
@DeadMG I figure, if I am going to download it once, I may as well save a copy of it
 
lovefilm does a good job for me as far as movies goes
and it's perfectly law compliant
 
@TonyTheLion lol, their front page is LOST. Not impressed.
 
Lost can get lost, you have to look past that
 
yeah, that's my point.
let's give another example
 
12:46 PM
are you trying to say that I should torrent instead?
 
Season 5 of Breaking Bad has been airing for a month now, but they don't have any fifth season episodes.
 
I hate books that walk you through creating a project file etc
 
if I wanted to use lovefilm to obtain it, I'd still be months behind.
 
I don't watch Breaking Bad, so I don't have that issue
 
and the situation for other series is even worse, if they're even listed.
 
12:47 PM
I prefer movies to series
I started watching 24, and got bored of it after the 3rd episode
 
Dammit, Tony!
 
I don't like series because I end up staying up till 5am
 
all I'm saying is
 
you should've been playing the 24 drinking game
 
12:49 PM
technically, places like lovefilm and Hulu exist, but the reality is that their selection is so pathetically limited and out of date, they may as well not exist.
 
I'm sure that will get better over time
that's why you should support them, so they have the resources to improve :)
 
they will only become competitive when they release as soon as would normally be available.
until then, I'm not interested
that would mean, for films, release for streaming as soon as release in cinemas, and for TV, release as soon as aired in any country.
 
> release for streaming as soon as release in cinemas
DVD's don't even get released at that point
you're asking a bit much here
 
not really
the fact that they don't release DVDs at that point is really not my problem.
 
normal sequence of events is: Cinema release, then DVD comes out after.
 
12:52 PM
@TonyTheLion DVD's have menus + special features + manufacturing time
 
the normal sequence of events is blatantly not working out.
 
@KianMayne indeed
 
It's all artificial delays.
 
that's the whole reason behind mass piracy
 
Ell
the reason behind mass piracy
is how easy it is to do it and not get caught/punished
 
12:52 PM
They want to sell you overpriced popcorn and carbonated sugar water.
 
Sometimes, I wonder whether humans in general can keep up with technology
 
The whole industry doesn't give a shit about customers, that's why.
 
there are massive numbers of consumers like me who do not give a shit about a disc or menus or special features, and just want to consume the media from the comfort of our own homes when we choose to.
 
Obviously some of us can
 
@CatPlusPlus they have to make money somehow, they're a business remember???? They point is they make money with their products (movies). Twist and turn it as you wish, you'll never change that
 
12:53 PM
@TonyTheLion Sure, but they could be making more than they are now if they actually addressed their problems.
 
At the point films are displayed in cinemas, studios already got their money.
 
Why couldn't they make money if they streamed the content?
 
businesses want to make money
so they will do things that make them money
simple.
 
piracy is nothing more than the consumer correcting their flaws.
 
And if cinemas died, I really don't care.
 
12:54 PM
Did you know that the butter flavouring on popcorn corrodes your lungs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacetyl#Worker_safety
 
Film industry is based on clutching onto outdated practices.
 
two wrongs don't make a right.
 
> "may be hazardous when heated and inhaled over a long period."
 
@TonyTheLion Let me put it another way.
 
@TonyTheLion If you somehow missed it, they aren't doing things that make them money.
 
12:55 PM
because of their primitive practices, there's no way in hell that I'm going to pay them for a DVD or a cinema ticket.
 
Their idea of increasing value is slapping "3D" on every film they can.
 
they've lost whatever money I might have paid for their content.
whether or not I then watch the content anyway is really quite orthogonal, because they've already lost my money.
 
@SamDeHaan well, how do you think a movie like the second Batman raked in over 1 Billion Dollars??? The budget was 250 mill or so. That's making money, if you ask me
 
@TonyTheLion It's by far and away the exception.
 
They make money on DVDs and streaming too, so I don't know what the hell are you arguing for.
 
12:56 PM
what's happening in films is just like what's happening in games- the budgets are ballooning, and only the very biggest film productions are surviving. Most films and most games do not make a profit or even close.
 
Literally every delay between film and web/DVD is artificial.
 
@TonyTheLion wow, an exception! that totally proves an argument.
 
the only difference is that in the game industry, they solved this problem by embracing digital distribution and lower production costs
 
And country releases.
 
@DeadMG ok, movie The Guard, not so well known black comedy, budget was 6 Mill and they made 17 mill.
 
12:57 PM
@TonyTheLion An utterly random data point.
 
Tony:
Hollywood accounting (also known as Hollywood bookkeeping) refers to the opaque accounting methods used by the film, video and television industry to budget and record profits for film projects. Expenditures can be inflated to reduce or eliminate the reported profit of the project thereby reducing the amount which the corporation must pay in royalties or other profit-sharing agreements, as these are based on the net profit. Creative accountants Hollywood accounting gets its name from its prevalence in the entertainment industry — that is, in the movie studios of Hollywood. Those affected...
 
I really don't get the argument of "I wouldn't/couldn't pay for it, so it's ok to just take a copy"
 
one individual film or a few makes no difference
 
It's all practices that are designed to make money at all cost, not serve customer.
 
the majority of films do not make a profit.
@thecoshman Well, the circumstances for the original producers/creators are unchanged regardless of whether or not a copy was taken, so it's difficult to argue that they've been hurt in some way.
 

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