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12:00 PM
Read it. It's hilarious.
 
"is actually within the definition of this word (with slight changes to some of the wording):" is my favourite part. More or less like saying "this word means the same as that one, if you change the meaning of that one to be like this one".
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus Press a proposal to deprecate C++. FTFY
 
SBRM is epic
looks like ICBM
 
user142019
Small Business en Retail Management?
 
12:01 PM
Scope Bound Resource Management
 
user142019
Intercontinental ballistic missile?
 
user142019
Ah. :P
 
that one is ok
 
Shockingly Bad Resource Management
 
12:04 PM
> Resource aquisition is initialization? What does it mean?!! Is this english?
 
@BartekBanachewicz InterContinental Ballistic Missile?
 
What would you say, is the biggest limitation for the TRIE data structure?
 
@DomagojPandža yes, zoidberg got it already
 
It has a stupid name
 
12:04 PM
@GamesBrainiac people with premature optimizations
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, hush.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I'm blind. :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz what?
 
I just want to pass out and have monday over with.
 
Huh I wonder if AC2 will be less annoying with 360 controller
Also remind me to buy rechargeable batteries some time
 
user1357851
12:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz RAII? Boost threading uses this pattern, using stack variable is an example.
 
@CatPlusPlus Don't play AC 3, it sucks
 
I don't have AC3
 
@Telkitty everything uses this "pattern", dammit
 
@GamesBrainiac AC 3 sucks? What have you been smoking?
 
Fuck patterns
 
Fuck patterns, indeed.
 
user142019
Pattern matching > design patterns.
 
> The most recent thing that "this" could be referring to is "Resource aquisition[sic] is initialization". That's what "it" referred to, so the obvious inference is that "this" and "it" are talking about the same thing.
 
user1357851
I hate design patterns too :(
 
@DomagojPandža Its a total piece of sh*t
 
12:07 PM
But really RAII is one of those things that sounds fancier than it really is
 
they ruined the game
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz
 
And one of those things that should be obvious
This tag meme is retarded fyi
 
that's why I wrote "patterns" not patterns
@Zoidberg ah right
 
@GamesBrainiac Well, we'll just have to wait for 3013. until you make a better one. :P
 
user1357851
How many people here actually use design patterns in their design?
 
@Telkitty how retarded question is that
what's the point of it?
 
user1357851
Other than uni assignments
 
@GamesBrainiac Domagoj's got the point.
 
@CatPlusPlus Fuck this thing in particular?!?
 
12:09 PM
I don't use design patterns in uni assignments TYVM
 
@TonyTheLion Ha!
 
@DomagojPandža You knew I was immortal? Dammit, the secret is out.
 
@TonyTheLion Yes
 
12:11 PM
hey, so are we getting static for?
 
Xeo
no?
 
like, ever?
 
haven't seen anything about static for
what what about static if?
 
static if is dead
 
12:11 PM
there seems to be very little talk about that
@BartekBanachewicz meh
 
user142019
static for would be cool.
 
@GamesBrainiac The ending is a bit shitty, I'll give you that, but that's sort of the game industry meme lately. But the game's scope, general game mechanics and technical side is very sexy.
 
user142019
But recursion is also cool.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz :'(
 
@Zoidberg Yes, little pony, recursion is cool.
 
user142019
12:12 PM
Another reason to use D!
 
> static for, particularly when applied to member variables and functions, now allows a std::tuple to be a standard-layout type (and possibly trivial), if its member types are standard layout/trivial. It allows std::tuple to have named members in addition to the get<> interface. It hooks into constexpr, allowing static iteration over a static numerical range. It may have many other uses in static reflection scenarios that have yet to be defined.
 
pats pony on the head
 
@Zoidberg it was a retarded concept, and Bjarne found many legit issues in it
 
user142019
Recursion is about 20% cooler than for loops.
 
@DomagojPandža I hate the fighting, they ruined it on PC.
 
12:12 PM
@Zoidberg FYI D is dead too. Never was alive, anyway
 
user142019
D is great.
 
@Zoidberg Whats with the 20%?
 
@Zoidberg that's orthogonal to being dead
 
user142019
@GamesBrainiac You don't want to know.
 
did anyone use casablanca (MS REST SDK)? how is it?
 
12:13 PM
@GamesBrainiac My Little Pony meme
@Abyx meh.
 
@BartekBanachewicz is there anything better?
 
static if was just as a bad as concepts lite.
 
user142019
The idea or the proposal(s)?
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz not anything allocated using the new keyword
 
omg, cat stole robot's account
 
12:16 PM
@Zoidberg There's a difference?
 
@Abyx I am not really into it
> YOU ARE VERY OFF TOPIC DISCUSSING THIS HERE AT ALL!
a) do not shout! you've presented many times lack of basic manners, but there is never too late to change it!
LMAO
inb4 teaching manners after going offtopic as fuck.
 
btw @ThePhD did you play with face customisation
 
You mean shaving?
 
user142019
know how much time is wasted when typoing: alias sl="time /usr/bin/sl"
 
12:19 PM
anyway, enable_if is bad. even with nice error messages. we need an if-else capable thing
 
user142019
sl package is the best.
 
oh my god @R.MartinhoFernandes he is quoting you
> c) "... a pattern known by the meaningless name RAII."(The Rule Of Zero, R. Martinho Fernandez, isocpp.org, 2012)
what the fuck is going on IThatT
 
user142019
Where?
 
user1357851
@CatPlusPlus plastic surgery ftw!
 
12:20 PM
Looks great.
 
user1357851
why so green?
 
looks like Cat IRL prolly
 
@CatPlusPlus beautiful
 
anyway, in skyrim it was impossible to make anything looking nice
my friend spent 3 days on it
 
That UI is terribru. :(
 
12:21 PM
Looks like a West Ham fan, but with better hair.
 
@BartekBanachewicz rofl, seriously?
 
@BartekBanachewicz FFS you never see you character's face in the game...
 
@BartekBanachewicz how rude to keep your executioners waiting for three days while you fiddle around with makeup
 
(Also, helmet)
 
12:22 PM
Onion helmet best helmet
 
Ooh! Millwall fan.
 
@bamboon aha
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh. He's weird.
and he still uses horizontal task bar in windows :/
 
Xeo
What do you mean, "still"?
 
What's wrong with horizontal task bars?
 
They are wasting vertical space
 
Xeo
12:24 PM
No they're not
 
Xeo
Okay, they do
about 2 pixels
 
which on 16:9 or 16:10 screens is way more important
 
YOU'LL NEVER GET THOSE 10 PIXELS BACK
 
Xeo
12:24 PM
Ever heard about auto-hiding?
 
ITT Bartek is about to be mind blown.
 
@Xeo that's not the same.
 
Ever heard of small icons
 
Xeo
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus that's also not the same
 
12:25 PM
lol
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Tell me how it's not
 
My browser's top takes more space than a taskbar
 
user142019
Ever heard of xmonad.
 
@Xeo you waste time waiting for taskbard to pop under the mouse
 
what use is a vertical taskbar when it only has stupid icons and no text
 
12:25 PM
Also I've got two monitors so plenty of space
 
I can spare a couple of pixels out of 1200.
 
@melak47 why the fuck would you want text
 
user1182183
I have a '2 units' wide taskbar with small icons,makes my browser and any other windows feel more "cinematic" on a 16:9 display :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz so I know what the fuck I'm opening
 
But but but my 1080p
 
12:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not letting go of my pixels
 
It can't be 1060
 
lolwut cinematic.
 
@melak47 that's what the icons are for
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, and if you have 20 explorer windows open you have 1 icon
 
@CatPlusPlus standard Win7 taskbar is about 80-100
 
12:27 PM
@melak47 7tt
 
It's really not
 
@melak47 why would you want to have 20 explorer windows
with big icons, I mean.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I regularly have 5+
 
@BartekBanachewicz maybe I want to close the ones I don't need, but for that I still need to find the one I do need first
 
user1357851
@CatPlusPlus you need to feel the joy of building your own 'barbie' in sim 3 :x
 
12:27 PM
MY WORKFLOW IS THE BEST WORKFLOW
 
Xeo
PS: Alt-tab + arrow keys
 
@melak47 that's what mouseover is for
 
user1182183
i'm wondering why you guys are discussing personal tastes like they aren't personal :P
 
Also no icons is dumb
Who mouses over the taskbar
 
I don't make use of those few pixels on the border anyway.
 
12:28 PM
Now that's a waste of time
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, I have to mouse over the thing then mouse over the preview to get the name. or I could just look at the text in the taskbar
 
@GamErix until cat starts to argue with me personally I can argue a bit
 
user1182183
Nothing wrong with this: i.stack.imgur.com/BXdxU.png :P
 
:lol:
You're just too bad at arguing
 
Xeo
Go, Cat, go!
 
12:28 PM
meh. hides posts
That really works better than I expected.
 
yuck, windows 8
 
lol, "cinematic".
 
I can't argue I better go hide in a corner and pretend nobody says anything :qq:
 
@GamErix except 1/5 of your screen is gray
and your fonts have no smoothing
 
12:29 PM
and windows 8
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz because when I use black I can't reed the fucking window titles..
 
@GamErix do you have a triple core?
 
to be honest, everything is wrong with this screen
 
Taskbar with no text is Docky and Sucky
 
user1182183
12:30 PM
@melak47 triple?
 
@GamErix three temps in the tray
 
user1182183
@melak47 orange is gpu, and dark blue is processor 0 and light blue is processor 3
 
user1182183
I have 8 logical cores, so a quad core :P
 
No time for dealing with bad posters I have an eldritch abomination to create
 
going to the Googles on Thursday
 
12:32 PM
i love how he wrote a lot and didn't answer you @melak47
 
user1182183
@LightnessRacesinOrbit being for more than a year on SO I still don't know how to create those tags..
 
nobody tell him
 
@BartekBanachewicz wha?
 
user1182183
[this-does-not-work]
 
12:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus still just getting started?
 
user1182183
bleh, PET THE PET
 
user1182183
learn him something!
 
oh I forgot he's the lounge pet
+1
 
12:34 PM
there was a thread about it
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes yo dawg, search history
 
Who walks him out and picks up his shit?
 
it's your turn today
 
@jalf Gotta look good for jolly coop
 
user1182183
dunno who picks it up but I leave it where I can :P
 
12:35 PM
it's on the pink invisible chart.
 
user1182183
especially in the corners
 
@CatPlusPlus Is that a game?
 
user1182183
now master, learn me to TAG
 
Also I wish it turned off mouse when controller is plugged in
 
user1182183
12:35 PM
<puppy eyes>
 
Which one. I love eldritch stuff.
 
user1182183
@CatPlusPlus there're lots of programs for that
 
Dark Souls
 
And abominations are the awesomes.
 
user1182183
even programs for controlling the mouse with a controller
 
12:36 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh, the one with the silly faces?
 
Yup
It's an RPG
 
user1182183
saturday I discovered how great Mercenary 2: World in Flames is, excellent game, especially in CO-Op (server emulator, suckers EA shut down the servers)
 
Ah fuck it, not gonna buy games.
 
user1182183
$1.69
 
It's a cool game
 
12:37 PM
It's not about the money.
 
user1182183
but ye, why support dead developers, just pirate it
 
user1357851
Robot just wants to fit in ... >_<
 
You can watch Geop's LP if you don't want to buy it I guess
It's fun anyway
 
I have too many games left to play and too many books left to read, and too little time for either of them. Not gonna buy more. Except for the book I bought yesterday.
 
12:39 PM
lol again
 
user1357851
Entertainment is most fun when you have little time for them
 
i just have to live through this week
 
user1182183
[tag:finally found it in the FAQ just wondering why I had to read through it 5 times]
 
@BartekBanachewicz Can't help it :(
 
and 9 free days for Josuttis and Minicract
 
12:40 PM
@GamErix lol, so much fail.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rofl
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aahahahaha
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're taking a vacation to work on your game.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes
 
Ugh lock on how do I lock on
 
user1182183
12:40 PM
not my problem spaces aren't supported and I DO know it
 
@CatPlusPlus press down on right analog stick?
 
> problemspacves
 
IIRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, yes and no. It's well known time of the year in Poland, when if you are creative, you can get a lot of free time by combining vacation and public holidays
 
Yeah I knew that but it wasn't working
I didn't click hard enough
 
sbi
12:41 PM
Hi.
 
user1182183
@kbok unusual position with my laptop where the keyboard is a little harder to hit correctly...
 
I'm bad at this control scheme
 
so it's basically 2 days of vacation, three days of holiday and two weekends
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, not enough violence :)
 
user1182183
especially the spacebar xD
 
12:42 PM
hi Ape!
 
@GamErix We don't want to know.
 
@sbi ahoy
 
I'm not even sure how you're supposed to hold that thing :<
 
sbi
Regarding this tweet — are you guys gonna get mad at me if I invite him here for you to supply him with arguments?
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes like -you- anyone cares lol
 
sbi
12:42 PM
:-/
 
@sbi bring it on.
 
@sbi No. That would be a lovely Java bashing.
 
Or maybe to Java Sucks room
 
Xeo
Don't we have a bookmark?
 
user1182183
someone wants to play MErcenaries 2 or Red Alert 3 or Ghost Recon 1 with me? i'm borred
 
12:43 PM
for the reasons?
 
sbi
@Xeo Last time I looked, we many bookmarks. Why are you asking?
 
Xeo
Gawd this internet here...
 
@KonradRudolph good luck with emscripten, faggots.
 
Xeo
Fuck it, SO doesn't want to show me the bookmarks
 
12:44 PM
> This is bad for humanity
what the....
 
Xeo
@sbi I meant a "java sucks because" bookmark
 
@KonradRudolph Oh, another "we suck, so let's blame the language" thingy.
 
sbi
@Xeo Ah! Lemme...
 
Their whole premise is just ridiculous. Mozilla’s code base is bad because it’s old and uses shit C++. But if they want to rewrite it from scratch (efficiently!) anyway, why would they not go with modern C++?
 
There's plenty of blame in C++
 
12:45 PM
But... Rust? Seriously?
 
because they suck
@Griwes it's their wicked creation IIRC
 
@KonradRudolph Because it is still sucky?
 
Xeo
> Lots of people have tried to solve this and failed
 
user142019
Because there are alternatives to modern C++ which are superior.
 
Xeo
And of course Rust is successful!
 
12:45 PM
meh.
 
It's still not a safe language
 
I mean, I was sure everyone knows Rust is inferior to almost anything.
 
user1182183
@Zoidberg I don't know any
 
With a fuckload of pitfalls
 
Even its creators.
 
12:45 PM
Reasonable people do.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. Well I think that browser engines really push the envelope in terms of performance
 
@KonradRudolph Eh, I see their point. If they can develop a safer high-performance alternative, more power to them
 
I like Rust.
 
@Zoidberg I wouldn't be that fast with it. You have to consider all the factors.
 
I don't think they'll succeed, but that doesn't mean the problems they want to solve aren't real
 
12:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh come on
 
@jalf In an experimental language without type safety?
 
sbi
I cannot access the bookmarks. I get the "oops, something bad happened" cat. Is that on my end, @Xeo?
 
Xeo
Yeah
 
@KonradRudolph Where does it say "without type safety"?
 
The performance lies in JS engine and rendering mostly
 
user1182183
12:46 PM
ok maybe someone GRID?
 
user1182183
c'mon no gamers here?
 
Gah, I though Rust was a JavaScript dialect … I take everything back
 
Xeo
@sbi Same problem
 
noone just wants to play with you get over it
 
@KonradRudolph That's the point of experimenting!
 
user142019
12:47 PM
GRID is one of the worst games ever.
 
user142019
@KonradRudolph :lol:
 
@KonradRudolph Sometimes, it'd be nice if life had a rewind button :)
 
Ok, so who else here is just FUDing on Rust?
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz You have to play with The Pet
 
@BartekBanachewicz What?
 
user142019
12:47 PM
I never used Rust so I can't tell.
 
@KonradRudolph No, Rust is a wicked... something. :P
 
I really don't like that "NOTHING CAN BEAT C++ AT ~~~PERFORMANCE~~~" thing
 
user142019
I like D.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes me and Griwes
 
But hey
 
12:48 PM
Because the last two times someone asked if anyone had ever had contact with Rust, I was the only one that said yes.
 
Asylum Demon and 10 black firebombs
Let's do this
 
@Zoidberg if you ever completed a project maybe we would trust your assesments a tad more
 
user1182183
@Zoidberg girls like D.s' too
 
@sbi Same here. Time to ping @balpha.
 
@CatPlusPlus It’s pretty true though, leaving aside alternatives like OCaml … it’s the only mainstream language that offers truly overhead-free abstractions
 
12:48 PM
Nah
 
Anyway, JavaScript is typesafe too. Its type system is still completely fucked up and about as expressive as something which isn't at all expressive, but it is typesafe unless someone redefined the term while I wasn't looking :)
 
user142019
C.
 
Well if you qualify anything with "leaving aside alternatives" then everything will win at anything I guess
 
@Zoidberg die
 
@jalf the question would be more where you’ve been looking
 
12:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus We believe in you! You can do it! ;)
 
user142019
Perl's type system is the best!
 
I want that weapon!
 
sbi
So this was one "Yes." and one "No, that would be lovely." I am not sure how to interpret the latter, so can I take this for a yes?
 
@sbi You said "Are you going to get mad?" and I said "No."
 
@sbi “do you get mad if …” – “no”
 
sbi
12:51 PM
Ah. Well, at least this definitely was on my end then. :)
 
Ahahaha
VICTORY ACHIEVED
YOU DIED
 
Cat, you are typing on the wrong chat.
4
 
user142019
lol
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean he's transferring his toughts to the wrong window
 
No I'm not
 
12:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno about that.. Cat's fairly random
 
user1182183
so, who is "you"
 
he's probably traversing universe on a keyboard
 
user142019
Yo momma.
 
sbi
@Neil This is, however, not a cat chat — even though we tolerate the chat cat.
 
user1182183
when do nickname changes get applied?
 
user1182183
12:54 PM
Gam Erix has become boring
 
user142019
When you get a pet.
 
Xeo
WHY THE FUCK TWITTER?! WHY DO YOU REMAP F5 TO "Retweet"?!
 
user1182183
@Zoidberg done
 
@Xeo ahahah another victim
 
@GamErix Might have to refresh chat
 
12:54 PM
He's refering to Cat Stevens. @R.MartinhoFernandes His new name is Yusuf Islam
 
user142019
@Xeo because refresh is control+R.
 
user1182183
@Collin I even logged out and in xD
 
@Zoidberg I thought it's Command+R :)
 
@Xeo Because F5 = Cmd+R on Mac, and Cmd+R for “retwee” makes sense
wow I’m slow today ^^
 
user142019
Well, command+R if you use OS X.
 
user1182183
12:55 PM
but on SO etc the new name is already visible, just not on the chat? ; o
 
sbi
WHY THE FUCK @TWITTER?! WHY DO YOU REMAP F5 TO "Retweet"?! http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/8993612#8993612
 
@sbi We tolerate that chat cat?
 
Xeo
@KonradRudolph Ctrl-R refreshes.
 
@KonradRudolph FTR, they envision Rust as a safe successor to C++: it uses a bunch of the same safe abstractions, but it gets them in right from the start unlike C++ which starts with all the unsafe ones and builds the safe ones on it, sometimes in haphazard ways.
 
user142019
@KonradRudolph rebinding command+R doesn't magically rebind F5, nor does command+R trigger retweet.
 
12:56 PM
@Xeo Yeah but I believe that they just introduced that out of consistency to OS X, since F5 has been around for longer (IIRC)
 
Xeo
@sbi lol
 
sbi
@Neil I do, anyway.
 
@Zoidberg Re (1): true, I was assuming that the implementors wanted to present a uniform UI. Re (2): ah. True.
 
sbi
@Xeo I am constantly annoyed by this, too.
 
@sbi You're supposed to say, "Yes, we tolerate that phat chat cat"
 
user142019
12:57 PM
A better UI would be to not rebind any keys at all.
 
user142019
I use Vimium to retweet. \o/
 
ah found it
Jan 7 at 10:13, by Bartek Banachewicz
Speeking of apes, does he have a "retweet" bound to some shortcut key? Because he is so flooding my wall :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean unsafe ones? integers are unsafe, in a sense.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, all the usual stuff from C.
 
user142019
12:59 PM
Ranged integers would be cool.
 
user142019
In the type system.
 
And some stuff that C++ added too...
 
Anything that touches on UB is unsafe
 

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