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8:00 AM
@sehe Well, as you must have noticed already, I can't help you with that.
:|
 
Honestly, how the fuck did dynamic array make it in?
 
god knows
 
They voted and it passed
 
eh
its terribad
 
user1357851
8:02 AM
Maybe they are trying to implement something similar to ArrayList in Java
 
Any good stuff in C++14?
 
Is there a deduced-from-constructor-parameters class template feature being drafted?
 
@domagoj concepts
 
@DomagojPandža Generic lambda seems cool
 
Also, who the fuck let the dogs shiny VLAs out?
 
8:03 AM
@BartekBanachewicz rly?
 
@FredOverflow No, concepts lite will come a little bit later apparently.
 
user1357851
Someone post link to a list of passed items in C++14
 
Well, there's optional<T>, too.
 
Meh. Compilers will implement it
 
@Rapptz So in 2014, we can finally list the contents of a directory in a portable fashion? :)
 
8:04 AM
meh
 
Too lazy to scroll, huh
 
@TonyTheLion Hm?
 
Christmas came early, boys... Unfortunately, some shitty presents are also in the bag.
 
@MarkGarcia don't worry about me
 
God this mobile version is hardly usable
I can't see the post links
 
8:06 AM
For now, I just want someone to pressure Microsoft into actually finishing their fucking implementation of C++11.
 
STL wants to propose for(elem : cont) to expand to for(auto&& elem : cont)
Why do people hate typing out the type name so much?
They're making the same arguments for lambda, so I feel like I'm missing something?
 
@rapptz it would break existing code, right?
 
@Rapptz The former seems un-C++-like.
 
Concepts lite has broken concepts.
 
What.
No :(
 
8:08 AM
@Rapptz I only want as much information as necessary in my code, and nothing more.
 
For example, Equality_comparable's implementation is crap.
 
So it's about signal to noise, really.
 
template<typename T>
concept Equality_comparable()
{
    return has_eq<T>::value && is_convertible<eq_result<T>, bool>::value
        && has_ne<T>::value && is_convertible<ne_result<T>, bool>::value;
}
 
@LucDanton Yeah but you already got auto to replace the large redundant names, and now you just want to completely get rid of it and have it implied? :|
 
8:09 AM
@Rapptz Sure, why not. Why should the former prevent the latter?
 
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@Abyx yes I am reading it
 
Hey, I just woke up... And this is crazy, but if you don't stfu, I'll stab you maybe.
 
I'm just saying it feels weird, as if people keep asking for more and more without realising the impact that the former had already.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Because it's noise - auto&& is going to be pretty much the default now.
What I don't like about that is implicit declarations :<
 
@Rapptz What do you mean I don't realize the impact?
 
8:10 AM
@Xeo now? Isn't it already?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's exactly the problem with that?
@bamboon Ya
 
@LucDanton Not you. I mean in general, it feels a bit weird.
 
Counter-argument: it doesn't.
 
Quoting from the proposal "Semantics: For two values a and b, == is an equivalence relation that returns true when a and b represent the same entity.
The != operator is equivalent to !(a == b)."
However, Equality_comparable<T> will be true regardless of being an equivalence relation or not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How can two values represent the same entity? :)
 
8:11 AM
Oh blergh lambda move capture syntax
 
Xeo
what "blergh"
 
@FredOverflow Erm, both 0 and 1-1 represent the number zero.
 
Xeo
Also, generalized capture syntax, people
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can't run != and check its result
 
@Abyx I know so what.
 
8:12 AM
@xeo okey then.
 
@Abyx ah, I knew there was a message that needed that reply.
 
I thought that could be only for moves
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a != b ~ !(a == b) .. a & b are expressions\values\variables\entities
 
for whatever reason I looked right past it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But that's just one value, not two.
 
8:13 AM
@KhaledAKhunaifer I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so concepts do the best they can
 
user1357851
They should have a web session going along the side of the onsite conference, then we can all 'participate' & express our own opinions on some of the issues
 
They are lite after all
 
@Abyx No, they don't. The previous concept proposals had the means to do this right.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes KhaledCUBE is un-academic thought.
 
8:14 AM
@telkitty nobody wants your opinion
 
Bartek strikes deep, but strikes true.
 
@FredOverflow Erm, no? Anyway, I'll pick a clearer example both u"\u00e4" and u"\u0061\u0308" represent the same Unicode string: ä.
 
I am going to take a shower and head to work
 
Xeo
8:15 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe you should complain loudly to CWG / Bjarne?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes aka, you dislike the interface check
 
its a puppy holder
it holds puppies
lol
 
Can I has puppy from puppy holder?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Poor puppy when they slam on the brakes...
 
8:16 AM
morning all
 
user1357851
hot dog holder
 
They say "Failing to document the semantics of a constraint leaves its intent open to different interpretations." but the problem is that the intent has been open to different interpretations for decades now, because the concept did not actually exist.
 
@Xeo Y U IMAGINE WORST CASE SCENARIO?
 
@Xeo opposed to... running around in the back of the car?
 
@Xeo Not included in insurance.
 
8:16 AM
lulz
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes class Foo { public: int id; bool operator!=(Foo b){ return *this==b; } bool operator==(Foo b){ return (id == b.id); } }
 
So, they are pretty much syntax.
 
@sehe I think it's time to measure now, this is getting nowhere :).
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Fixed font, plx.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer I hope you will start making sense soon; I don't want to plonk you.
 
8:17 AM
Firefox just crashed when I tried to download the C++14 draft...
 
Mozilla Firefox -- not sure if inertia-scrolling or just plain bad performance.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's a regular guy that misses the target a lot. I tend not to answer when that happens because otherwise it trundles on for hours.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't care for your opinion in the first place, if that's what you are asking
 
^ like that
 
8:19 AM
@DomagojPandža Anyway, I'm using the nightly build. It's pretty much improved.
 
0
A: Is there any markdown to create tables?

belipeDid you ever think about switching to Textile? Tables are easily written there: |_. name |_. age |_. sex | | joan | 24 | f | | archie | 29 | m | | bella | 45 | f | Find more at http://redcloth.org/hobix.com/textile/

^^ lol...
I think his table is broken.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer erm...
you're pushing it
 
@Mysticial lol. Tried to edit.
 
@TonyTheLion you should push it, the plonk button that is
 
@thecoshman not quite
 
8:21 AM
@TonyTheLion why so serious ..
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer I'd appreciate it if the next time you feel the need to not care for my opinion you also feel the need to not plink me about it.
 
@TonyTheLion why not? that's what the douche filter is for
 
@LucDanton Hmm, ok.
 
plins... plonks... it's like a children's show in here at times :P
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer if that was supposed to be funny, it wasn't.
and don't try to turn into a "joke" now, because it wasn't ever a joke
 
8:23 AM
@TonyTheLion I wrote my opinion, if he doesn't like it that's not my issue
 
Programming is not about opinions. It's about logic, what works and what does not. What is, what is not. True, false. 1, 0. There is no 0.5.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer he's a strange concept, you might just be able to grasp it though... "Don't be a dick"
 
@thecoshman i didn't fight him, I wrote a comment .. did you bother yourself to read it ?
 
user1357851
@LucDanton seems to be a obsolete bot that only concerns itself with a limited number of long time users and only with things that related to syntax/programmatic side of things
 
@Xeo Yes, because checking the interface is something I can already do. And regarding the error bits... clang already has special error messages to replace the "no type named type in enable_if<false, void>" crap, so I am not sure if we really need this to get better error messages.
 
8:25 AM
@Mysticial Congrats.
 
@MarkGarcia Wait. Congrats for what?
 
This might be the first day that I run out of close votes on meta. — Mysticial 1 min ago
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Don't address someone specifically unless it is intended as message to them.
 
@MarkGarcia oh. haha
 
@Mysticial My ability to communicate transcends beyond site-wide boundaries.
:)
 
8:27 AM
@KhaledAKhunaifer Freedom of speech does not grant carte blanche to say what ever you want with out any regard for how it impacts on others. Else I will exercise my right to apply racist remarks regarding your clearly non-English name. I will however suffice, for now at least, to reiterate, you are being a dick
 
@thecoshman da fuck man
 
@LucDanton okay dokay
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer I don't want to be that guy, but your rep-to-answer ratio is 8.325301204819277108433734939759. So that might be a reason your opinion is not in high regard, especially when you burst out like a douche. Rep doesn't matter. But ratios do, and here I didn't even have to calculate repcaps because you have none.
 
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@KhaledAKhunaifer he thus makes the mistake by example
 
@LucDanton what?
 
8:30 AM
Robot didn't insult you to warrant a scorched earth response, he just disagreed with you.
 
@thecoshman Freedom of speech has never been more irrelevant here. I doubt you have a right for racist remarks as well.
My recommendation is that you stick out of legal matters.
 
@bamboon Measure what? That's not my job. Also, any measurement I make is potentially irrelevant to the OP.
 
@Xeo :( they even try to sell the thing that I don't like as a feature: "A programmer does not need to create a specialization of Equality_comparable in order for that constraint to be satisfied."
 
Xeo
:(
 
@LucDanton You do here.
You can be racist all you want.
 
Xeo
8:32 AM
shout reaaaally loud at Core / Bjarne
 
@thecoshman I'm not sure what you meant, but about the name, I'm Arabic
 
@KonradRudolph lol thanks:
"for the OP's particular data set"? So, you attended the same school, and they never change the exercises :) — sehe 1 min ago
 
@sehe right
 
@Rapptz What meaning of 'here' is that?
 
America.
Location.
 
8:32 AM
@sehe I was about to comment the same but thought better of it
 
@bamboon (feel free to waste some time / post it yourself, it might do well for rep)
 
@Rapptz I.e. where coshman is not.
 
@KonradRudolph I just removed it, but wanted you to see it
 
In other news I'm doing perl answers now. I must be bored shitless.
 
8:33 AM
You should document yourself about Perl first.
 
tries are tricky data structures because they look sexy and are very easy to implement
 
@DomagojPandža Oh no need. I just have retrieve it from archived storage :)
 
but easy implementations aren’t efficient
 
user1357851
There are some perl script that I have been modifying for 10 years and still using ... sad sad me
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer if you didn't fight him, then perhaps you could do us all a favor and shut up about it now? Life is too short to listen to someone go on and on and on about justifying actions he didn't actually do.
 
8:34 AM
@KonradRudolph Precisely.
 
@LucDanton Googling Freedom of Speech in Ireland isn't as hopeful as it could have been.
lol.
 
Uhoh. Someone triggered the lounge watch dog
 
@sehe woof
 
lol. Thanks, in a way :/
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer my point is, you can not simply say what ever you want, with out concern for how others perceive it. So you can not simply shrug of your comment to R.MartinhoFernandes by proclaiming 'he didn't have to read it'.
 
8:34 AM
It leads me to an article called "Censorship in Ireland"
 
And yes, I realise that you did not say anything offensive
 
In fact, I was bitten by this once because I had a very straightforward implementation that didn’t waste any obvious potential for optimisation, did direct lookups, and was still trivially outperformed by other methods of lookup :/
 
@Rapptz ergh
 
To this day I don’t know what caused its inefficiency (but I didn’t profile extensively)
 
@thecoshman Well put.
 
8:35 AM
@thecoshman totally agree with you :)
 
@KonradRudolph yeah, it's the famous "linear search is usually fine for small arrays" paradox
 
@thecoshman But from what I read it seems you can't be racist!
 
@KonradRudolph locality of reference and memory prefetch, most likely.
 
@thecoshman I never talked about R.MartinhoFernandes, how did you bring up that
 
Hmm, Linode had some security issues. Had to generate a new API key and change my password because the old one was invalidated. Prompt response, at least.
 
8:37 AM
Note it is often possible to get your tries to behave nicely in that respect, but it isn't general anymore. It comes down to manual twiddling and tweaking, like always
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer did I say you did? It is what you said to him
 
Would you guys stop that? It's hard to cherry pick all the annoying messages for binning because there are other conversations going on between them.
 
hahaha
 
The real story is, Why is anyone still running Cold Fusion? http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/16/security-incident-update/
 
@thecoshman what I say to him, and what I say about him are 2 different things, aren't they ?
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer yes...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry - let us know when the mutex for Lounge<C++> is acquired/released by adding/removing a tag to the room tags.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer And what we want to hear from you is an entirely different thing. Would you kindly go into the Android room or something if you want to keep whining about whatever it is?
I assume that's what the Android room is for :)
 
Hmm, chat threads. Conversation goes as usual, and when Robot or someone wants to enter some sort of inner discussion, they can allocate a chat thread starting beneath the original comment.
 
@DomagojPandža Well, that clearly was the case: access was gained to the webserver of the Linode Manager. This includes potential vulnerability of credentials stored there. AFAIK no single custome VPS was compromised, but that's hardly the point (why wait for that to happen)
 
8:41 AM
@jalf lol, aren't they permanently gallery mode?
 
Noobs: Don't disrespect a regular of this room. Thanks.
 
Also, people suck
 
@DomagojPandža Becomes too hard to manage (people would have to 'tag' their messages for interested audiences, and this would leave people joining all 'tags', in order not to miss things (a bit like the reason plonking is believed to not-work)
 
@sehe I actually think that this was a thoroughly professional response to a vulnerability – unfortunately that’s (still) quite rare
 
@DomagojPandža What do you mean? I posted this chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/8987486#8987486 because I followed Luc's advice and let it go, but then you guys felt the need to defend my honour (thanks, but there's no need) and made it go on forever :(
 
8:43 AM
I called it. I mentioned 'trundling on'.
 
@jalf Ya know, in that statement you have included yourself and me and everyone in this room. Just saying' :)
 
@KonradRudolph I absolute honesty, I think it's halfbaked to 'expire' the API keys only after a week or so. The Linode Manager password reset was much more adequate (and also carried out in a user friendly fashion).
 
@TonyTheLion I am aware :)
 
oh good :)
 
@sehe I think they are afraid that everything else may disrupt customer services too much since the responsible person to keep the service running by changing the API key may not be immediately available
 
8:44 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I haven't seen any counterplay by the supposed offender, and for once I'm not going to scroll back to kindle it all up
 
@KonradRudolph That's a valid point.
@DomagojPandža Nah, but it's highly pixelated/noisy
 
@DomagojPandža Seeing I'm at work, I refrain from clicking that.
 
@DomagojPandža No.
 
Wise choice. Also, too old for you :)
 
8:45 AM
What does that mean?
 
ugh, some OOP loony found one of my old posts on programmers.SE, now he's trying to drag me into a big thing about how I can possibly say that Java's OOP model is flawed
do not want
 
ignore it
 
@jalf Not just Java's OOP. Java itself!
 
@jalf Yeah, just try to ignore the comment. You'll plummet into a comment abyss until SE offers to move your discussion to chat.
 
Quick question: do you need VS update 1 when installing update 2?
 
8:46 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now I’m curious … who would dare attack a robot?
 
user1357851
 
@MarkGarcia you don't need update2
 
As I always say, if you have a problem with someone's answer, write your own goddamn answer. But that would entail ferocious downvotes, so they just pick on other answers.
 
@Abyx At least, there are some C++ bugfix. I'm also developing for web, you know.
 
@sehe Older is better. :D
 
8:48 AM
@DomagojPandža yeah...
 
@Telkitty Fail.
 
@MarkGarcia some people say that update2 breaks things, e.g. the winXP target
 
@Abyx Not developing for XP. (Seems like an emoticon, BTW)
 
@DomagojPandža well, my wife is only expected to get older so that's good news
@Abyx +1
 
@sehe If she's half as interesting as you, looks are not important. :P
 
8:53 AM
Aw. I should tell her that :/
 
"Hey baby, I'm twice as interesting as you. That's a compliment. I swear."
 
Xeo
lol
 
@Abyx lol, blue theme + bugs.
 
WTF? I have DWORD* mem = ...; mem[0] = '\xac\x31\xd0\x0f'; and I get "ac 31 d0 0f" in memory (VC++, x86-32)
 
Xeo
What exactly is the problem?
 
user1357851
8:57 AM
@DomagojPandža but you are the guy who calls Cat++ cuddly then tells people rape is struggled cuddle
 
@Xeo shouldn't it be in reversed order?
 
@Telkitty Rape is a cuddle with a struggle. Delivery is important.
 
    DWORD* mem = ...;
    mem[0] = '\x31\x32\x33\x34';
    mem[1] = '1234';
    std::cout << (char*)mem << '\n'; // prints "12344321" WTF?
 
8:59 AM
is it a compiler bug?
 
Multi-character literals are implementation-defined, so whether it is a bug or not is debatable.
 

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