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23:00
What is Kryostat?
IT'S NOT MY FAULT I'M CODING AS FAST AS I CAN ;~;
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Hm... amount of C++ code written today: 0 lines. :(
@Cicada oh, and like I said, I would really like another linux based person to build and run the code so I can see what if any error message they get
It's probably full of std::make_giggles<std::alien_iterator<using EgyptianGlyphs = ... and so on
@ShotgunNinja don't worry
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23:00
Been dabbling in C# and batch all day at work.
@thecoshman Now I'm worried.
@ShotgunNinja That question....
@Xeo Yay C#!
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@ShotgunNinja An injoke that nobody got.
@Xeo +1 for C#.
@Cicada the only 'complex' thing so far is boost variant or what ever its called... and OS windowing crap
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23:01
> Disclaimer: Ontdopen.nl [(Unbaptizing.nl)] is not responsible for any side effects of a life of sin, such as infertility, diseases, natural disasters, eternally burning in hell and related matters.
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LOL
Well if you can send me a up-to-date copy of the repo that'll save me the hassle of registering an account
@Cicada The Robot wasn't part of the project.
@Cicada just register damn you
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Eh, I'm not sure how much I like C#. I hate how it handles structs.
23:01
@Xeo What's wrong with structs
@EtiennedeMartel ye he was
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I do like tagging on a simple ? to get a maybe-type, though.
@Xeo Indeed, Daniel Jackson.
@thecoshman Right, but only for text stuff.
@Xeo Don't write C# like you would write C++.
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null is one of the few parts I actually dislike about C#.
user142019
23:02
Nothing should be nullable by default ever.
The two languages have different uses and different philosophies.
@EtiennedeMartel and if ever we get really rolling, I am fairly sure he said he will come back to help test his unicode shit
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@EtiennedeMartel I just wanted to pass a struct type to my lambda, so I wouldn't have to duplicate the lambda just because the object the member functions were called on were different.
@BartekBanachewicz MSVC is allowing illegal qualifications in your source
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I didn't get it to work, but maybe I also just suck at C#.
23:03
@thecoshman And I'll have to say goodbyte to VC++ and use Visual GCC for realsies.
@Xeo Probably
@ThePhD god damn it use a decent compiler boy!
But... but but Visual Studio. ;~;
@Xeo By passing a struct type you mean Type? D:
@Cicada actually, registering really is easier in the long run, as then the build system will work for you, it pulls shit down from a dependency repo during build
23:04
@ThePhD I know the new version is pretty. But you have to use real tools, not just Fisher-Price plastic toys.
On the bright side, I can compile with Scons so there's that.
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@Cicada No, I mean an object of struct type.
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@Xeo example? I don't understand.
@ShotgunNinja YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY MY TOYS. D:<
@Cicada He's talking about value types.
23:05
@ThePhD No, but I can show you what a real tool looks like.
@EtiennedeMartel Passing a struct then, not a struct type?!
hi folks
@ShotgunNinja Don't pull down your pants pls. ;~;
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can I ask some question about Qt
23:05
@Cicada "struct" does refer to the type...
EWWWWWWW ECLIPSE
@ShotgunNinja sucks ass
@pourjour Urgh.
I'm only joking, lol.
struct refers to the instance
23:05
Eclipse does suck ass.
Qt, ça pogne dans la gorge.
user142019
Eclipse is bad software.
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Like Visual Studio but worse.
so guess what I have to use at work ¬_¬
@ShotgunNinja I would have preferred you pull down your pants than show me that.
23:06
@Zoidberg Not a bad as NEEETTTTBEEEEAAAAANS
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(My nemesis)
hello guys, i have tried to use pthread.h library in my program using Visual Studio 2012 IDE and I can't make it work, can someone lend me a hand?
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@thecoshman Eclipse and ClearCase? :D
@AlbertoBonsanto pthreads on windows don't work (unless you use mingw)
@AlbertoBonsanto POSIX threads? On Windows?
Feb 6 at 8:31, by thecoshman
New here? Do us a favour, and read this.
@Zoidberg :'(
23:06
That doesn't work without an external library.
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@Zoidberg I had two lists, and conditionally needed to apply one function or another So, I conditionally assigned a some lambdas to a Func<...>. Now I had two Func, for either list, but I the only difference was what the member functions inside the lambda where called on (i.e. x => thing1.foo(x) + thin1.bar() and x => thing2.foo(x) + thing2.bar()).
I'd like to make a custom titlebar using QtQuick any help?
But, uh.
this is why i am asking, i found a site where they said it work and you are famous to be the smartest people around here, that's why I ask
@pourjour That isn't even C++.
23:07
So any suggestion?
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So I tried to unify that with (o, x) => o.foo(x) + o.bar(), but for some reason, C# didn't like that with struct types.
@Xeo if you have the codes plspls send i'll love to help
@AlbertoBonsanto the FAQ is. Not the lounge chatroom
@AlbertoBonsanto Haha, no. We're not famous.
@EtiennedeMartel hmm ok
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23:07
@Cicada Sorry, work code.
So not available right now.
@AlbertoBonsanto the smartest people are currently not here but I can help you if you want
Ok tell me what can I do? :)
@AlbertoBonsanto So, I assume it's for homework?
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@Xeo is o a struct or x?
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@EtiennedeMartel I think on Meta we are.
23:08
On Windows you use Win32 threads
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@Zoidberg o is.
Like your prof told you "You gotta use pthreads!" and you figured "Well, I'm on Windows, so I'm gonna use VS2012!"
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x was actually just an integer.
@Xeo Yeah, but not as the "smartest people here".
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The struct will be boxed.
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23:09
@EtiennedeMartel They're just too shy to openly admit it.
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But I'm not sure that is related to the issue. :P
@Cicada There's a lib somewhere that wraps that in a pthread-like interface.
there are pthread wrappers for win32 threads around if you look
@EtiennedeMartel mingw does, i don't know about wrappers
Yeah, but I couldn't be arsed to look.
23:09
@EtiennedeMartel yes it's homework / and my teacher just gives homework he doesn't explain a shit)
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@Zoidberg It took a copy of the struct or something, and the member functions' side effects weren't seen on the original objects.
@AlbertoBonsanto Standard CS homework, then.
@AlbertoBonsanto You're silly.
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@Xeo I think you need ref.
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Func<ref MyStruct, R>
23:10
@Zoidberg You can't do that.
@AlbertoBonsanto feel free to press 'up' and add the rest of those letters
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@Zoidberg I tried, but then the compiler barfed at me, although I might have used it the wrong way.
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@EtiennedeMartel Oh. :L
ref cannot be part of a generic instantiation.
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@EtiennedeMartel That closes that issue, then.
I think in the end I just stuck with 2 functions.
23:11
@AlbertoBonsanto you can't use pthreads with Visual Studio, unless you invent some new port of it, which is way above your head.
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Any tips on how to do better next time?
You have to make your own delegate type, lile delegate void FuckIt(ref MyStruct eh).
@Cicada would get your enthusiastic ass onto bitbucket!
Or make a pthread-styled wrapper around Windows' threading model.
23:11
@ShotgunNinja I have tried to use it but i can't any idea, i have changed the path thinks an d linker but it still not working
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Use a class instead of a struct. :P
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Any reason you were using a struct instead of a class?
like: Error 10 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__pthread_create referenced in function _main C:\Users\Alberto Bonsanto\Documents\Visual Studio 2012\Projects\Multiplicator\Multiplicator\Multiplicator.obj Multiplicator
wait wait wait... didn't 11 sort out all this OS specific thread crap?
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@Zoidberg Eh, I didn't write said struct.
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23:12
Ooh.
@thecoshman Not in Homework Land it didn't!
@Xeo Pls show code that looks like it because I don't really understand what your problem is
My english is bad
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Which is why I don't like how C# differs between struct and class - if somebody decides to use the one that doesn't work in your situation, you're fucked.
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Func<object, R> = (o, x) -> ((MyStruct)o).Foo(x) // :L
@Xeo Make a function that returns a new struct with the new values.
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23:13
I mean, I guess could wrap it in a class, but eh...
@Cicada no no no, my English is bad, your's is just a bit French
@AlbertoBonsanto I think you may be missing a compiler option specifying to link against the pthreads binary.
@Xeo I fully agree.
@ShotgunNinja Not on Visual Studio.
@EtiennedeMartel fuck. that. shit
@ShotgunNinja this is the firrst time i do something like this
23:13
@ShotgunNinja pthreads doesn't ship as standard on Windows.
@EtiennedeMartel I added the dlls to windows folders etc..
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@Xeo just cast it to object and it will be boxed.
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@Cicada If you remind me tomorrow while I'm at work, I'll see what I can do. I think I'll go to sleep for now, though.
@AlbertoBonsanto all of my wat.
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@Zoidberg Hm... I don't like casts. :3
23:14
@Zoidberg No need to cast, boxing is implicit.
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The cast is implicit.
@Xeo what if I told you there was new UHC?
@Xeo I'll try to remind you
@EtiennedeMartel Understood: sourceware.org/pthreads-win32
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That just feels like going through void*.
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23:14
Because object is the ultimate base class.
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@thecoshman :O
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And upcasts are implicit.
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16 secs ago, by Xeo
That just feels like going through void*.
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@Xeo it's dynamically type-safe. :P
@Xeo there isn't, but what if there was?
23:15
@ShotgunNinja :S
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@thecoshman I'd jump in a triangle.
But lately, I haven't been able to keep up with Etho's vids even, I just don't get a chance to load them.
@Xeo regular?
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I guess that will get better next week, though, when I get real internet at home.
@Xeo Yeah, but with type information.
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@EtiennedeMartel It still feels wrong on a fundamental level.
23:16
fuck i will have to download a linux distro install compilers IDES etc, crap windows isn't more comfortable than linux anymore
@Xeo I agree. But I also think that passing stuff by ref in C# is a PITA.
@AlbertoBonsanto Why on earth were you using pthreads on Windows in the first place?
@ShotgunNinja Homework.
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Also, I had trouble in another tool written in C# where casts where just used without checking against is DBNull, which then printed stuff to stdout, when then got me in trouble since the output of the tool was redirected to a file for later use.
Damn it, why do nobody listen to what I say?
23:17
@AlbertoBonsanto USE MINGW
@EtiennedeMartel to much effort
@Cicada now now, no need for good advice
@Cicada MinGW is so hard to set up...
is does the checking.
23:18
@ShotgunNinja becaus emy pc has windows installed
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@Cicada I actually set myself a reminder for now.
(Although it's better to use as + null check rather than is + C-style cast).
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@EtiennedeMartel The code fetched something from a database, checked if the data had atleast 1 row, and just did a (Type)rows[0][0] without checking if rows[0] is DBNull.
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23:19
The thrown exception was then printed to stdout (which I also fixed to use Console.Error...).
alrite i now have a bitfagget account
@Cicada which is...
@Cicada lol
@thecoshman which is surprising
what do you want me to say
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23:20
@EtiennedeMartel I think the x is DBNull check was better in this case
Bitbucket rocks.
@ShotgunNinja What? At least as I recall, it took about 5 minutes and virtually no real work at all.
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@Cicada lol
@JerryCoffin I thought he was kidding
@Cicada shall I take that sarcasm to mean you have reused the same name?
23:20
@ShotgunNinja Is it any good C/C++ IDE with debuggers in Linux?
@thecoshman Ofc no, it's C7
never reuse nicknames
@Cicada Doesn't really seem to make sense either way (at least to me).
@AlbertoBonsanto QtCreator.
Would C4 be the next nickname?
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@Cicada Cel-7? Celeb-17? (A cookie to whoever gets this. /cc @Mysticial @StackedCrooked)
23:21
@AlbertoBonsanto Yeah. Vim/Emacs/gedit, gdb, make, g++.
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@AlbertoBonsanto Vim + Z shell and GDB.
@ThePhD I pick stuff at random. I also steal nicks. My GitHub account is called DeadMG.
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@Xeo City 17 is the first that comes to mind.
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Or even better, LLDB if that already supports Linux.
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@Cicada Oh, is it All Puppy Day™ again?
23:22
@Cicada lol rly? I'm fairly sure I have a GitHub account called DeadMG.
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@DeadMG Hint: It's from an anime.
@DeadMG So? SO also had no problem with that!
@DeadMG Maybe they're smart and nicknames can collide?
@Cicada lol, there is one coming up as 'ping yang' ¬_¬ is that you?
@DeadMG So am I.
@Xeo Never seen any.
23:23
@ScottW uruin the joke!!
works for me
@Cicada welp, you are going to have to tell me what your fecking account name is so I can add you
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@DeadMG not for me.
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You lose.
23:24
@DeadMG only you it seems.
@Zoidberg Good day, sir.
@ScottW Java
15 days until SimCity.
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@ScottW Always Zoidberg.
My cock could not be harder.
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23:25
@ScottW OMG
@EtiennedeMartel Are you sure?
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I LOVE TWILIGHT
@EtiennedeMartel It would be if it were made of carbon nanotubes.
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OF THE THUNDER GOD
@EtiennedeMartel try viagra, I hear it does wonders!
23:25
@thecoshman C7. Why the fuck would you add me though
@Cicada seems too short for me to add
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Best album ever.
@Cicada oh, there we go
23:26
@Cicada ¬_¬ so you have access to the repo...
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> C7 hasn't followed anyone yet It's a cold, lonely world out there.
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@ScottW how come "lol" D:(<)
@thecoshman Oh right.
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Bitsucket
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23:27
Shaddup, Voidberg
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GitHub is superior.
Shithub?
@Cicada well then...
Shithub and Shitbucket. Private repos FTW
@DeadMG you think a transplant is worthwhile?
23:27
> plastic-bacon
@Cicada read
@Cicada Eww.
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@ShotgunNinja Bitbucket has those for free. GitHub doesn't, AFAIK.
@Xeo I think he wants self-hosting.
> Just for the sake of saying it, yes, we are using Mercurial.
I'm out
23:28
is it me or is the documentation for every git command extremely scary and overcompilcated with endless shit about branches
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@LucDanton Hm
@Cicada stop winging
@doug65536 you just probably don't understand branches fully
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@ScottW lol
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I'll see them live.
23:29
aw cock
it's all the terminology linus pulled out of his ass when he made git
I haven't committed in a few days and there's a massive diff for my analyzer file
I need to split that shit up.
he he he
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kekeke
@Cicada C7. Microsoft's first attempt at a C++ compiler, and direct predecessor to Visual C++ 1.0. I'll leave it to your imagination how bad its implementation of C++ was.
23:30
@JerryCoffin To be quite fair, C++ the language was a whole lot worse back then too.
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@Zoidberg Reminds me, I need to check if there are any concerts near here where I might wanna go.
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Where is here?
@doug65536 i'd like to see you make something better
@Zoidberg there
23:31
@DeadMG No question about that -- but even by the standards of the day, C7 was pretty poor.
@EtiennedeMartel lol
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@Cicada Mercurial! (No, I have no clue where the actual differences between the two lie.)
user142019
What music do you like?
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@LucDanton Don't lol before the image has loaded for me. :(
@Zoidberg Rock/Metal, mainly.
@Xeo petty
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23:32
I think the last concert I was at was... Papa Roach + Disturbed.
@Xeo I hear they're very similar but mercurial is simpler (I've never used anything other than git so I can't really compare). But to balance out things a bit in this room, I'll say that mercurial is shit.
user142019
I'm going to a concert in Nijmegen soon.
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In June.
@Cicada bleh, too much effort, not enough fear
@Cicada Bad move.
user142019
23:32
@ScottW nah
OH NO!!!
THE CAT JUST DID A SHIT SHUFFLE!!!
shit shuffle?
@thecoshman Well I've been working in milieus where I really don't want to be tracked
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Wat.
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@ScottW Me too.
23:33
@Cicada in what?
stuff
@Cicada I've used both a bit. I do think Mercurial is a bit more sane, but both have what I think are some fairly obvious design problems (though I should probably shut up, since I'm not particularly excited about going into detail here/now).
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@JerryCoffin Please do go into detail. :)
oh god that stinks to hi hell!
@JerryCoffin What are those design problems according to you? What I dislike is being unable to rewrite history. Although it's understandable.
23:35
@Cicada One thing I dislike about Git is that you can (rebase).
@JerryCoffin I'm too tired to troll so we can actually have an interesting discussion
@ScottW *Delorian.
(maybe)
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@ScottW Delorian.
23:35
@JerryCoffin I never use it, matter of preferences I suppose.
I tried git for a bit, find it be stupid. Hg just makes sense
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@JerryCoffin What does that even do?
@JerryCoffin don't do it then
I saw a DeLorean in Redmond and the plate was OUTATIME
@Xeo probably not what it sounds like
23:37
what git command does what revert does in SVN? (big undo)
@JohanLarsson lol I just ran into that. git checkout -- <paths to files...>
@JohanLarsson Depends. Can be checkout, reset.
np/2
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@Cicada I was expecting a /0.
23:38
lol
@thecoshman I don't (or haven't yet, anyway), but at least based on some tutorials, some people consider it necessary/useful, and when/if they use it, you're stuck with the results even if you never do.
@ScottW There's even tits in there.
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Anyways, sleepy time. @Cicada, if you can, be online at around midday tomorrow, I set my reminder for then.
@EtiennedeMartel And suddenly, a lot more people click the link.
I don't plan on sleeping
Good night!
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Oh btw, does Git have an equally awesome introduction tutorial as Mercurial does with hginit.com?
23:42
@Xeo Yes
How basic is it? ISTR Joel has an intro to either, but it's very basic. More of a 'accustomed about VCS? wait until you learn about DVCS' thing. I may be thinking of someone else though.
@Zoidberg someone had to do it :D
watch Linus's brainwashing session. he really convinces you that git is really good (which it is). usability for beginners is poor though
@doug65536 yeah the learning curve is steep
23:42
Oh okay hginit.com doesn't look that basic.
Wow.
I have, what, 126 rep?
I can be petty.
And they invited me to make a profile on Stackoverflowcareers 2.0
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Use folders and tarballs instead of Git or Mercurial or Subversion.
They set the bar really low, don't they?
23:43
@ThePhD I think they don't have many people on careers
@Xeo It's more or less like a merge, but one that destroys history. When you do a branch and merge, there's a history of the branch and the merge. If you "merge" using rebase, it does the merge, but destroys the history of the branch and merge, so the history just looks like a single stream of updates.
@EtiennedeMartel Hey, you took my post out of context. :P
@ThePhD I got an invite because they were "impressed by [my] “c++” tag answers on Stack Overflow".
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@JerryCoffin I see.
I got an invite because I don't know
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23:44
@Cicada Prob because you're a girl.
Yeah, I don't really know why they're inviting me...
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You know, standard reason for everything.
Maybe I'm like the low-level bait.
@JerryCoffin Well the only point of rebase is if you want a flat history
@Xeo where on SO do we actually say that?
23:45
It's amazing the number of people who are scared by branches
@Xeo But there's no "gender" box on SO?
@Cicada equally, it's amazing the number of people who get carried away with branches
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@Cicada And why should that stop them from knowing? :)
IMO the flaws of careers is that they emphasize too much on your SO profile (well, that's rather normal, but...), and there aren't many job offers out of the US
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I mean, we know you claim to be a girl, so why shouldn't they know too?
@Cicada IMO, the primary point of it is to try to look like all your coding is basically perfect: "no, I didn't try 15 experimental branches before I got it to work. I swear it all just worked."
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23:46
primarily from experience. most source control tools have scary as hell branching functionality
Yeah you know I claim to be. Which has no value!
@JerryCoffin which is why you set up other repos and pull from them
@JerryCoffin That too
srsly branching on git is just normal workflow
also merge conflicts
but people don't get it
inb4 "wow we're all learning so much thanks"
@Cicada don't get your hopes up
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If you're distributed, auto-merging just has to be good by default.
23:48
@thecoshman your sarcasm detector is still terrible
I've never really had a problem merging, even on SVN, but meh
@Cicada like wise
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Anyways, you guys kept me awake for longer than I planned to, again. G'night.
Night'
@Xeo better luck this time
@Xeo G'night.
23:49
@Cicada wrong location for an apostrophe
I put my apo'strophes wherev'er I please and that means your ass' too
@Cicada Yeah about that...
@Cicada you keep you' 'phes out my ass'
@LucDanton I think she some times forgets that not every one is as idiotic as the people at her school
sto'p ra'ndo'mly pla'cin'g apo'strop'he's! :O'
Uh that would be very stupid from me, particularly in this room
23:52
hmm... what do you furners say for "o'clock"
@Cicada I wouldn't expect any more :P
:P
I mean :P'
I mean, if ya'll goin' ta go an' use apostrophes, ya'll should use 'em right-like, ya hear?
@thecoshman The sixth hour is called 'six hours'.
time to make some hot chocolate me thinks :D
@LucDanton huh... seems rather boring IMO
I don't really expect anyone in this room ever learning anything from me, computer-related.
23:53
Yes, 'six of the clock' is really compelling in contrast.
It's not because I'm saying something that I'm trying to teach you
but whatever
the egos in this room are quite suffocating at times
And I should go sleep
Nig'ht
@Cicada You'll still come out that way though. And I'll still remind you of it. Fix your stuff!
@Cicada you compiled Bartek's Engine project?
@Cicada Just think what it would be like if we all actually met in person!
@Cicada G'night.
@JerryCoffin Any reasonable person would drown. ._.
23:55
It's not like teaching is bad. Being annoying is bad.
Or at least get blisteringly drunk, see @R.MartinhoFernandes and @TonyTheLion when they get together in Berlin with @sbi .
@LucDanton Sometimes being annoying is good too though (e.g., the most certain way to annoy most people is to question their unfounded assumptions).
Mmmh, the way you phrased it sounds like you're saying that annoying is good for being annoying.
@Cicada welp, you've taught me stuff... at least helped

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