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1:00 AM
@doug65536 I'm expecting it to cross 0... hmmm.....
tmp.glork.org/why.png why would someone send me an email with the following attachements?
@CatPlusPlus Can't deny that he does have an active imagination
I need to screenie all those comments before they get wiped.
This is awesome - a work of art.
@Mysticial drop a link here then
if it's not clear; the plain/text is empty, it contains nothing but 4 "\n", kinda defeats the purpose of it
1:00 AM
@refp I don't know. what are they?
@refp It's multipart email, not attachments
@Mysticial Where are you stashing these? Is my comment still on it, unslain my the flag mods?
Either that or we're on the Internet.
@CatPlusPlus potato potato.
@sehe I'm afraid to refresh right now. I'll do a multi screen capture first.
1:01 AM
The purpose is to have both text and HTML content so your client can switch
man why do people spend so much time getting uppity about free software, then use their new-found freedom to make their desktops as fucking ugly as possible?
Someone is just bad at it
Then I'll DL Rapptz's long page screen capture software and do it properly.
@Mysticial it's still there I just checked.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What
1:01 AM
@Mysticial oh, yes please
@Mysticial Might be gone then
@CatPlusPlus ... I know what the fucking purpose is, but having a plain/text that's only containing "\n\n\n\n" is bloody stupid
47 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Someone is just bad at it
the question was aimed towards just that
@CatPlusPlus Linux-like desktops, like refp's
@CatPlusPlus it's disgracefully yucky
1:02 AM
How is that related to freedom of anything :psyduck:
@LightnessRacesinOrbit are you implying that my desktop is ugly?
@CatPlusPlus tangentially
@refp no; stating it outright :)
Yes, you sure went on a tangent here.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's more functional than it is focused on "beauty" though
@refp yes, because eating up a third of your screen space for a giant black-and-white ascii clock with 150px borders that doesn't even display seconds is really functional.
1:04 AM
@sehe: Suddenly, a wild smattering of OMG WTF appears. — Lightness Races in Orbit 49 mins ago
lol
@sehe chops off on the RHS
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. I just noticed. Fixing
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's my music player, and the first desktop of windows is for communications, I don't really need that space. I check IRC and emails in tag 1, and as you can tell on the top of my screen I have 8 more tags to make use of
@refp must have missed those "tags" because they are 0.000005px wide each :)
1:05 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if that's an insult you are not very good at it, as it is aimed towards being functional I sure know where I am and where I can go
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't expect you to have a pleasent ride on my laptop, and I can't see any reason why you should
@refp alright alright calm down
@LightnessRacesinOrbit this is just my way of writing, I'm not upset ;)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Better screen grab: imgur.com/9uvzAAa /cc @Mysticial
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1:06 AM
SOFTWARE MUST BE PRETTY
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so fugly
Don't upload screenshots to imgur, it converts them to JPEG
Oooh.
1 message moved to bin
I think I did a pretty good job on my wiki specifying formats and shit.
1:07 AM
@CatPlusPlus There's no way to upload just PNGs?
@sehe dat typo :(
@Insilico You can upload it, but it'll be converted if it's too big
@BartekBanachewicz not mine :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Butter?
@CatPlusPlus What picture size does imgur consider too big?
@sehe you beat me to it... I'm trying to do this remotely on a different computer...
the comment thread seemed a lot more entertaining when we were in it
still, thanks for the save!
@Insilico probably more like file size
> The maximum non-animated file size you can upload is 10MB. If the image is over 1MB, however, it will be automatically compressed to 1MB for better viewing on the web. The maximum animated file size (GIF and PNG) is 2MB.
now how come I can't like +1 it and comment and stuff
1:09 AM
windows API; the land of unbelievably long variable names and abbreviations
user1182183
hm is there a function to force minimize a directX window on an error or something?
DirectX doesn't have windows
@GamErix huh?
user1182183
a crash occurs in fullscreen mode but not windowed mode...
probably a function in the hWnd class
1:10 AM
A what in what
@metredigm and where idiotic macros like #define Yield() are polluting the namespace
took waay too long...
what the fcuk.. I should've known that @LightnessRacesinOrbit was really tomalak
@doug65536 The Windows API is a C API. Thus, the suckiness.
1:11 AM
@refp what, you're going through my user profile now? talk about creepy
user1182183
@CatPlusPlus when running the DirectX application in fullscreen a crash occurs, when running the DX app in windowed mode everything is fine, that is what i'm trying to say
@refp Trauma Support Centre is at +500 234891
@sehe thank you.
@Insilico That doesn't justify all the macros
user1182183
now it's hard to see what the debugger is telling me if I can't see it
1:11 AM
@GamErix your application, or someone elses?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, yes I am.
Macros should be UPPERCASE and prefixed with something
@metredigm any API can be terrible if the beginning of some of the types and classes look almost like hexadecimals
user1182183
@melak47 well i'm injecting a proxy d3d9 dll
1:11 AM
@refp: And who are you?
WinSDK headers are terrible pieces of shit
@Mysticial Since last time I installed an Opera browser extension to do it for me. Directly to imgur if you prefer
@GamErix can't you see what the debugger says...afterwards?
@CatPlusPlus You're speaking to the choir here.
user1182183
@melak47 I have to close the debugger because I cannot close the application
1:12 AM
There's no way any sane person can use the WinAPI without some kind of library or wrapper on top of it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A model. And a negro. If I remember correctly. Into music/arts too. And something about smoking IIRC. Oh, and C++ obviously (though the latter is easily missed due to the high troll-to-signal ratio)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm refp, the nigger/model. used to hang out in ##c++ @ freenode under the nick "edoceo`", but been traveling to much these last couple of months
user1182183
only task manager manages to get on top of the application
Buy a second monitor
1:13 AM
wait.. that's even more creepy than me checking out @LightnessRacesinOrbit's profile
user1182183
okay ; /
@GamErix so look at the output afterwards?
@refp oh YOU
@refp haha
@refp hi.
@Insilico o_O
user1182183
@melak47 closing the debugger means Visual Studio will shut down with it
1:13 AM
I use it without a wrapper all the time...
user1182183
is it possible to retrieve debug info? ;o
@refp No it isn't. It's exactly what you've been telling us. That is, until I started plonking you.
@ThePhD I have bad news sir
@sehe please tell me you have a script that gathers information about everyone and listens to "who are you?" and then spits it out ;-)
@ThePhD Then you're not a sane person, obviously.
1:13 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit g'evening :)
@GamErix yes. depends what you mean exactly
I'm a horrible person q_q
@refp stolen any good cars lately?
user1182183
@doug65536 just the error message and the file::line it crashes on
1:14 AM
Windows headers are an STD
@Insilico i'm only really making a wrapper for the d2d drawing, and nothing else
sexually transferable disease!
@ThePhD (insanity is not necessarily a bad thing, you know.)
@ThePhD high five
@refp we heard that already
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've never stolen a car.. I feel like such a failure with regards to my race
1:14 AM
sensually therapeutic dickwad
@refp You should feel bad
@refp No. It's just that I sometimes remember stuff that people tell. Only in specific cases, though. I have a bad memory.
user1182183
and yesterday I finally learned how to PROPERLY use the call stack XD
Congrats
@GamErix how did you use it improperly?
@GamErix you can detach a process, releasing the grip of the debugger on it
1:15 AM
You probably don't want to know
@GamErix Are you programming in assembly or what?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I do feel bad.. very bad
@Insilico I just never thought to actually write a wrapper around the Windows API, though. It's just one of those things you use in a 'Window' class and then never look at ever again. Ever. Unless you're doing input (what I'm about to do right now).
@refp: I'm sure you appreciated this
channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/… this talk is kinda interesting
1:15 AM
@Gam Erix finding that solved my horrible problem of visual studio bringing me to raw windows assembly files whenever i had a simple error
@ThePhD How is a Window class not a wrapper?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
even though I guess we all have implemented Expected<T> before, using some method or another
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz well i didn't know how to use it, it was all black magic
why doesn't my link expand?
:(
user1182183
1:16 AM
@Insilico just visual C++ 11
@refp not me. I don't go in for this bullshit
@Insilico Well, sometimes I might maybe sortof kind'veusesomefunctionsoutsidetheWindowclass >__>
Channel 9 is not oneboxable
@refp <yaaawn> you suck
user1357851
Elite software developers don't have to be like, they just have to do their job well :p
1:16 AM
@Insilico well, if his window class was a replication of HWND
@GamErix How do you manage to not use the call stack properly in C++?
self-absorbent C++11 template metawankery
i suck toooo <yaaaawn>
user1182183
@doug65536 ctrl+alt+break doesn't work somehow
@refp how would you like it to expand?
1:16 AM
@Insilico It's C++; you can totally screw up the call stack!
user1182183
@Insilico (sorry I ment the debugger call stack window)
@ThePhD yeah but if you're doing it habitually..
@ThePhD maybe my memory is playing tricks on me.. I guess only SO questions expand so that you see a little information about links posted by themselves
erhm, that's.. not correct
@ThePhD Yes, but it's one of those things where you have to make an active, conscious decision to screw with the stack.
sorry @ThePhD
1:17 AM
@GamErix Ah, okay that makes more sense
That "too many comments" flag is still in the flag queue. But not the question.
@Insilico Not really
@LightnessRacesinOrbit check what I wrote to @ThePhD, I'm too tired to edit that post
So a mod already cleared the one on the question, but not on litb's answer.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit absorbent? (I'm guessing absorbing or absorbed would be better fits)
1:18 AM
Habitual Callstack Screwing.
Or at least do something that's already really screwy to begin with
"I.. I just can't stop, man."
Stack corruption is a thing (TM)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the "written using my blackberry" thing was meant as a guard to keep me from getting blamed for typos.. I actually spent a lot of time on SO through my blackberry during the fashion weeks last season
@GamErix really? usually the worst thing that will happen is it will be "soft broken", meaning that it injected a new thread into the process and that new thread breaks into the debugger
user1182183
1:19 AM
ah well I'll tomorrow get a new monitor
user1357851
One of my server was temporarily off yesterday, now it's my other server. Is there a common patch to be applied to Linux or what?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, I didn't even know [language-laywer] was a proper tag
@Mysticial I want my infinite array :(
user1182183
fuck coding, let's do it the *hard*ware way
user1357851
1:19 AM
I hope I am not some target for some hackers
I'm done for today
fuck this shit
@BartekBanachewicz could you shut up already?
fuck floats
@refp I resent how the url says http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/C-and-Beyond-2012-Andrei-Alexandrescu-Systematic-Error-Handling -in-C
1:20 AM
@refp plonk you.
@Telkitty Just don't name your WiFi network "Please Hack Me".
user1357851
not my PC
user1357851
my servers
user1182183
@Insilico will just generate excessive traffic :P
user1357851
the servers I rented from some US ISP
1:20 AM
Ahaha the .png upload screwed up the capture.
@sehe well, most web-developers don't think about characters such as + when writing their slug generators
@Rapptz I know. Not that yours is much better, but okay
@refp ..slugs?
@sehe it looked fine until I uploaded it. :(
1:21 AM
@refp I don't care. No advertising on SO. Thanks. (You work for Blackberry? (No, they're not called RIM any more.))
@Rapptz You know, mysticial found the same out. But glad you found it worth the effort :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know you don't care, and it's not really advertising.. but whatever; as long as you don't claim I wrote something I didn't I'm fine
Why is "too many comments" a flag?
@Rapptz cough. because they're too many? SO is about content - blabla - questions, answer are content blabla
Because it's SO
1:22 AM
@refp What, you mean like that time you said "every woman in Mississippi is a crack whore"?
@BartekBanachewicz is there code somewhere to look at?
CAN'T HAVE COMMENTS NOISE NOISE
So you're.. not allowed to comment?
it's discouraged for all but the most crucial of requests for clarification
bullshittery
@melak47 a url slug is normally what you call a "clean url" that won't include any characters that has to be encoded using %XX, instead of google.com/hello%20world the slug would be google.com/hello-world
1:23 AM
@Rapptz Of course you can comment. It's a problem when there's too many on a single post.
@Rapptz The content should be in the Q/A and the rest should be inessential
What is defined as too many then?
more than one each
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't even know how to spell misizipe, so that was a bad example
Am I allowed to say that 4 comments is way too many for my question?
1:23 AM
you're not supposed to have discussions in comments. they're supposed to be temporary/transient notes used during the perfectioning of a post
@Rapptz Just don't say it out loud. The KGB will find you
@LightnessRacesinOrbit of all the states you could have picked, why did you choose mississippi by the way? tell me about your crack whore encounter in mississippi
@refp I honestly have no idea
for some reason, I learned how to spell Mississippi backwards when I was a little kid: ippississiM. LOL!
1:24 AM
@refp cos I can't spell kyrgizstan, maybe
@doug65536 it's not as impressive when you've written it the proper way once, and you are on a computer
@doug65536 LOL! oh, you!
@doug65536 ıddıssıssıɯ
@refp yeah, or, like, at all
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well I haven't set up any scale for how impressive it would be if he did it without writing it as it should first, and then spelling it out loud
I just said that what he did know sure isn't "as impressive"
I'm not saying that it's impressive (in the common use of the word) no matter how he does it
to sum it up;
@doug65536 you are not impressive, schtap.
1:26 AM
anyway.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wanna see something clever which I've never seen in production before? this actually blew my mind a little.. but just a little
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well.. erhm.. that wasn't the answer I was looking for
@refp oh, okay. yes.
aw, I thought backward spelling would impress a bunch of software developers! crap
1:28 AM
@doug65536 write a working 10,000-line software program in C++ backwards and we'll talk
For backward spelling, we go to Stack Overflow proper. And then we edit the crap out of it to correct things :)
niiiice
@refp wow that's awesome
@LightnessRacesinOrbit line 30, that's actually quite ..
FUCK YOU.
user1357851
1:29 AM
any good hackers here? I need advice
@Telkitty system32 is your problem
oh god not you too with the scope guard crap
user1357851
@refp not that retarded
i've had enough of that today
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no no, it's not the scope guard crap that I'm refering to, it's the use of a dummy plus operator + to make macro's prettier and easier to implement/use
1:30 AM
ok that's a nice approach
@refp Not entirely new. Many (bad) logging and/or faux-reflection macro systems use trickery of the same kind
@BartekBanachewicz What was the question you had for me?
@Telkitty The PHP room is the second door on the right
@sehe of course it isn't entirely new, but I've never seen an approach as clean as this in production. I've seen the same kind of trickery in C-macros for a very long time
i'd have thought SCOPE_EXIT would need to be defined after ANONYMOUS_VARIABLE(str)
1:31 AM
@Telkitty what is your question? if you are trying to learn how to hack it's definitely system32 you'll need to look into
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nhaa, why would it?
@refp because preprocessor preprocesses
... not a good enough reason
sure it is
@refp CPP is one-pass
@sehe no, it isn't
1:33 AM
git bug
@refp hooking by patching the import address table + VirtualAllocEx + CreateRemoteThread starting at LoadLibrary will get you started
@refp convincing stuff. Hmm. My CPP mental model need recalibration
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fcuk off..
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I hate git
1:34 AM
y'know that ScopeGuard type is suspiciously complex is my only gripe
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it should be implemented as a core language thing, but I like the idea
user1357851
@refp My server runs on Linux thank you
@sehe most people think what you and @LightnessRacesinOrbit thought though, so I guess it's alright
the core language should never fucking touch it, but I like it too
@Telkitty REALLY!? MINE TOO!? WANNA BE BUDDIES!?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit dtor's of functions.. hmm, sounds like FUNCTORZ
1:35 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think it's trying to be cute by allowing sg1 + new scopeguard (I think)
@refp some kind of defered evaluation built into the way #define targets are stored?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I mean, that's exactly what it is... a "scopeguard" is a fancy dtor for a function
@LightnessRacesinOrbit scopeguard1. Anyways, it does have operator+ for a reason. I'm trying to get to bed so I'm not actually reasding it
@sehe not in the code
are we back to that alexandrescu wankery
@sehe you're not doing a very good job
1:37 AM
I know.
sehe@desktop:/tmp$ cpp -
#define FOO BAR
#define BAR 2

FOO
# 1 "<stdin>"
# 1 "<command-line>"
# 1 "<stdin>"



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Q: Working of the C Preprocessor

shreyasvaHow does the following piece of code work, in other words what is the algorithm of the C preprocessor. Does this work on all compilers #include <stdio.h> #define b a #define a 170 int main() { printf("%i", b); return 0; }

simple answer
wankery...isn't that all SO is about?
user1357851
@sehe haha you sounded more of a hacker newb than I am
I should have sent a link to the answer now that I think about it
user1357851
PHP hacking? what planet are you living on? :p
1:37 AM
@Telkitty is your question related to c++ then ask it, if not; gtfo
php php php
java java java
mushroom mushroom
irb(main):029:0> (DateTime.new(2013, 02, 18, 2, 32) + 5.minutes) - DateTime.now
=> Rational(590441947, 14400000000)
Makes sense
user1357851
@refp This is a room for C++ developers not necessary all C++ related per. se.
Ruby helpful as always
@Telkitty Although we typically don't hold PHP to a high standard (if such a standard exists)
1:39 AM
@Telkitty okey wise-ass, ask your question and I'll try to help you (just to get rid of your ass (which is significent more pale than mine)
"per" and "se" are not abbreviations. we shall not randomly add periods to the end of them.
i.e. just "per se".
thanks.
@sehe now I can't find the paper that really proves that it's legal though, hold on
@refp Could you, perhaps, have a little decency. No need to yell at people you don't actually know. I have the impression that you're only back in the lounge for, what, 2 hours maybe and already shouting people out. That is a bit surprising to me.
tomalak is the person who hated be for using, commas, everywhere, all, the, time
1:40 AM
@refp It's in my PDF viewer
@refp s/be/me/
I, too, like to use commas, wherever I can
the Start A Bounty dialog box doesn't work for me at all. wtf have they done now
user1357851
@refp win32 kiddo, what can you help me with? Win32?
@CatPlusPlus we should start a club, or a facebook page, that would be, amazing!
@refp I guess he....prefers....the shatner..way...of talking
1:41 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit only after 24 hours, I believe?
@Telkitty I'm not even going to reply to that
@sehe > asked Jul 10 '11 at 15:03
(with anything that makes sense)
@Telkitty @Telkitty. Get out.
@sehe the "Next" button seems to be a no-op atm
1:41 AM
@sehe I'll behave, sorry.
@refp sorry I just tried to ask your patience with that guy. It seems he doesn't want to deserve it
we need more cake image macros
don't get rid of Telkitty
@sehe he/she doesn't have any patience, and surely no knowledge of internet security either for that matter..
@Code-Guru missed a mushroom
@LightnessRacesinOrbit is he/she your new apprentice? then we should do whatever we can to get rid of him/her.. one Tomalak is enough!
user1357851
1:43 AM
It is scheduled maintanence, why did I panic?
@refp :)
I'm riffing off this video...
@refp Actually, I think you would be a better heir to the throne: pedant, wiseguy, know-a-lot, impatient, belligerent, ; Would you consider it? We haven't seen a better candidate in ages
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Q: Unable to offer bounty

Lightness Races in OrbitI am trying to offer a bounty on this two-year-old question, but I get as far as the popup asking me to choose an amount of rep... and then the "Next" button is a no-op. I have only tried with 50 and 100 selected, as I do not wish to risk accidentally actually offering any more than that if the ...

reading
1:45 AM
@refp: You are going to love @Cicada.
Damn why did that not work at once
user1357851
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I second that
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... I don't ;)
user1357851
denial
@refp I was being sarcastic.
1:46 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wasn't, sadly
@sehe tomalak will never be my master, I've already raised above him on so many levels
aww, where'd my video go?
@Telkitty how's the weather in sydney btw?
1:48 AM
I was hoping someone could help me with my first UML sequence diagram.
@refp you're blacker and more of a dick (puneonasm alert!). that's about it.
user1357851
@refp not hard to find out I am in sydney
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what else are we comparing? we are on the internet
user1357851
its awesome btw 23 degrees celsius
@refp puke.
1:48 AM
@refp ikr
@Telkitty no, that's why I'm asking. my friends from sydney are not on facebook so I thought I'd ask you, too lazy too google it
@Telkitty sounds nice. we got 0C in stockholm (32F, I love it when we got 0C - the conversion to F is done in milliseconds)
user1357851
that totally killed the whole conversation ... woot?
@Telkitty you've never been part of any conversation (other than me throwing stuff at you for being.. "less fortunate"), so how does that matter to you?
I'm turning into tomalak.. shit
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't wanna become you.. what should I do? is it too late already? HALP!?
Yaay!
I think I correctly explained all the tools artists can/should use and the reasons why: dl.dropbox.com/u/17644642/27.html
user1357851
Now I am just mean
1:53 AM
@Telkitty I had time to read that, and my reply is: No.
@ThePhD You forgot jQuery
Aww, damn. I did forget the jQuery. =[
user1357851
@refp was intended that way
@ThePhD what's that for? (I only scimmed through it)
@refp Guidelines for artists and the things they should do so I don't have to take their assets and bake them properly for development.
Finishing touch will be picture of coordinate axes, I guess
1:55 AM
@ThePhD I'm guessing it's for a game then
Probably, yeah.
@Master_Yoda The Java room is the third door down the corridor. The one with the gags and whips in the umbrella bin
@sehe On the right or left?
@sehe I always thought the java room was the one which you cannot enter through the door because a NullPointerException is stuck under it, not that it matters since you can just climb through the window.. but still
@Code-Guru there's only one third door
1:58 AM
@sehe the corridor is also the rooms? [ | | | ] each pipe is a door
@refp No! That's only because you've been inside. Java lures people in with the semblance of comfort and appeal. Then you scramble for your life. Some of the refugees that made it are loungers to this date
@refp Nope. Ask on [Meta.SO] for a floorplan.
@sehe I've never been inside the java room, though I was locked up in a java prison during some of the classes in high school
@sehe I don't really ask questions on SO
I've asked one.. still waiting for the answer
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Q: Set all bytes of int to (unsigned char)0, guaranteed to represent zero?

refp This is not a matter of recommended practise (nor undefined behavior), but about what the c++-standard actually guarantees in the matter of turning all bytes of an integer type to the value of (unsigned char)0. The Question(s) In the snippet below, is the expression used by the if-stateme...


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