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Or can you just have 5
user142019
@Ell well what else do you want.
@sehe just to be clear in case you missed it, the "brain-dead" was a joke using existing context
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was waiting for Godwin's law to show up with that commenter. I was not disappointed.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit .. you're getting over the top. Anything with Hitler or Nazi references...
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Dictators are democratically voted?
user142019
00:00
@FredOverflow switches are expressions so I'm still figuring that out. :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hahahaha. you thought I was braindead too? LOL
@Zoidberg yield overrides the current whole "statement" and forces it to yield that value?
user142019
@doug65536 statements are expressions and a yield statement "returns from a statement" or something like that.
or is it syntax sugar because '6;' looks dumb
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I'm just wondering because the default case doesn't say yield.
user142019
00:01
Wait fuck.
A lengthy debate on the quality of the question and exactly two answers before closed by a bunch of deeply miserable busy-bodies. God, so glad I am not you. — Mike Girard 12 mins ago
So lulzy.
user142019
Though in this case the yields are not neccesary.
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I tried TMTOWTDI but it just seems to leave me in insert mode without deleting anything? — too much php Nov 12 '10 at 6:38
Ahaha
user1357851
I need my jogs - daily jogs makes me happy :p
user142019
Since if a compound statement ends with an expression statement, the result of that expression is yold.
00:02
yielded?
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Just make every statement an expression
@icando: Johannes Schaub is a world-reknowned expert in C++ who has contributed significant expertise to the standards committee itself, so you might want to spend a little less time blaming everybody for doing everything wrong, and a little more time in trying to figure out what it is that you are doing wrong. — Lightness Races in Orbit 51 mins ago
user142019
@FredOverflow Yold is obsolete but well. I like old words.
^ @LightnessRacesinOrbit s/reknowned/renowned/ ... :(
@Zoidberg Is it. I think you made it up. Needs citation
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Yold is a word? :L
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@Zoidberg You should name your language Yold then.
user142019
@sehe Wiktionary "yield".
@FredOverflow Hitler wasn't a dictator
@sehe fuck
user142019
@FredOverflow lol
user1357851
@Ell feeling better?
@FredOverflow Sounds like a nordic language or something.
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00:04
@telkitty not much to be honest haha
> From Middle English yolde, yolden ("yielded"), from Old English ġegolden ("yielded"), past particple of ġieldan ("to yield, pay").
user142019
I hope I wont mix up statement expressions and expression statements in my spec.
I'd personally pick "gieldan"
I'm so using yolden in my code
@Zoidberg god forbid
00:04
@Zoidberg I can smell the fear!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He wasn't?
I might use a gieldan tonight
> He was chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 and dictator of Nazi Germany (as Führer und Reichskanzler) from 1934 to 1945.
@FredOverflow that one year makes all the difference!
I meant that he was originally elected. It's not like he inherited power from his dad.
user142019
My head hurts.
00:05
makes sense
user142019
I'm gonna sleep.
user142019
Goodbye friends. And Tomalak.
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Find the error. :D
(Expected output: "Hello\nException: Ka-Boom")
00:08
oh goddamn fucking floats
-----Pass 6 ---------
Next planes to hit : 14, 5, 0
T values : 2.77805, 1.91388, 0.234292
advancing Z by 1
Total ray length : 3.24961
Current position : 13.1892, 5.87758, -4.73737e-009
------- end of pass ---------

-----Pass 7 ---------
Next planes to hit : 14, 5, 0
T values : 2.54376, 1.67959, 5.99048e-009
advancing Z by 1
Total ray length : 3.24961
Current position : 13.1892, 5.87758, 3.83531e-017
------- end of pass ---------
> if (std::uncaught_exception())
what's that?
Look how it "traversed" from 14,5,0 to... 14,5,0
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Tells you if an exception is in flight.
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@Johannes : This is the most fun you've had in weeks, isn't it? ;-] — ildjarn Jun 24 '11 at 23:09
You're doing 1-by-1 incrementation for Raycasting?
^ I still love that comment
@ThePhD it's in dense matrix atm
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Don't use it to determine if it's safe to throw, though.
00:09
Hm.
-4.73737e-009 is something bad
and I mean, bad
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@BartekBanachewicz How do you "advance Z by 1"? :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, now I gained more confidence over myself now. If such a person is a C++ expert, then I can definitely call myself C++ super expert now. It also explains why C++ is evolving so slowly and losing its popularity. It is because standard committee is filled by those non-creative guys. Actually C++ itself is an art, and lots of powerful paradigms are found by programmers, not by the committee guys. — icando 47 mins ago
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@LucDanton Exactly. In the SCOPE_FAIL case, though, it's actually exactly what you want.
Damn that's so ... inflammatory. I'm half-tempted to flag it, but I won't! I want to give others the opportunity to judge Mr. Gigolo Icando by his own statements.
@Xeo it means "move to voxel with position [current_x, current_y, current_z + 1]"
@Xeo Sort of.
@Xeo Is this an example of that, then?
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@BartekBanachewicz So the voxel is broken, then?
00:11
@Xeo the calculations when crossing 0 are broken
Some float roundings or some shit
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, since the scope guard shouldn't throw.
what the hell's a "scope guard"?
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Q: Why exactly cant alexandrescu use std::uncaught_exception() to implement SCOPE_FAIL in ScopeGuard11?

PorkyBrainMany people are no doubt familiar with Mr. Alexandrescus ScopeGuard template (now part of Loki) and the new version ScopeGuard11 presented here: http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/C-and-Beyond-2012-Andrei-Alexandrescu-Systematic-Error-Handling-in-C with source here: https://gist.github.co...

@LucDanton Why "sort-of"?
@Karel Visual C++ 2088? I sure would like to lay my hands on that... — FredOverflow 8 secs ago
I can't spell giveaway
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@Xeo See canonical advice.
I typed giveway twice in my code
Martin Odersky cannot spell "apple". He wrote "apply" instead.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A wrapper around callables that calls them on destruction
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@LucDanton Well, std::uncaught_exception gives false-negatives if you want to test whether it is safe to throw from a destructor. That's not what's being tested, though.
I.e., "sort of".
00:15
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you remauved your comment?!
I dunno. This guy could be great. He should start a sect. It would be Super Effective — sehe 28 secs ago
Don't ever throw from dtors, problem solved
Also, sweeeet. My minion colleague is working on this embeddable vim in Lua I told him to do for minicraft
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I still don't see the "sort of" part.
@CatPlusPlus We didn't discuss throwing from dtors.
@sehe: Suddenly, a wild smattering of OMG WTF appears. — Lightness Races in Orbit 52 secs ago
TROLOLOL
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The SCOPE_FAIL needs to know if the scope exited via exception... std::uncaught_exception tells you just that.
00:16
I don't know I haven't paid attention
@LightnessRacesinOrbit almost the same thing as RAII
It's the same thing
yeah, I put "almost" because you might not actually be acquiring a resource
Just generalised from specific resources to anything
RAII is a bad name anyway
@sehe no! :( which one?
@sehe :)
26 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@Zoidberg Pattern matching
erm.. star spam?
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00:19
Holy crap, past 1am.. I need to get to the sleepz.
See ya tomorrow.
@CatPlusPlus: If you replace "resource" with "responsibility", it's still RAII ;)
(this is from Jon Kalb)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You said something like "that would be all of us here" in response to [this]() I believe. WAIT: that comment has gone missing too? He said something like "win/lose only happens to really smart guys I recognize as my competitor"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope. The cat just likes pattern matching
Maybe it was (*this)()
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@sehe Maybe you dreamt all of that?
@sehe oh, that. you must have seen that pretty quickly. yeah I decided that we already had a pretty good cut-off point and there was no need to continue, despite the fun
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00:22
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Psssst.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. I'mma withdraw my comment. Let it live on as quoted in the Lounge.
I swear: one day, he'll be on the news. Some cult event. Let's hope not too bloody
@PeterWood, I never called for discussion. I was only ASKING questions. So anyone who is out-of-imagination is out of my consideration. Win/lose only happens to those guys who are really smart and I consider as rivals. — icando 11 mins ago
it's still there
Aw no, someone upvoted the comment. Now I can't really revoke it, can I
@sehe no. and it wasn't even me!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ok. Yeah, I've seen it in the few seconds
00:23
now it was
@sehe twas me
@je4d LOL well thanks, I guess
@je4d really? I only see my upvote
That comment thread was the most EPIC thing I've seen on SO all week. And it's only just begun :)
@sehe don't thank me, I revoked it after you implied you wanted to delete it :)
00:25
@je4d is okay. My comment is... fairly off topic :)
could uninitialized numbers be used as a random number?
@sehe I think anything is fair game in that thread now
@metredigm Sure. Debian did that! Well, until they decided to silence Valgrind warning and all but deplete their entropy pool!
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@metredigm Yes, and you get a trip straight to Undefined Behaviour land for free! Enjoy your stay.
@sehe :)
@je4d how do you revoke comment votes?
@je4d some mod will come along and twat all over it
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00:26
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Click again within 5min or so.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Click again. Get prompt, dismiss done. Non-revokable
@LightnessRacesinOrbit click on the vote arrow again
That must be fairly new, isn't it?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah :(
00:26
@metredigm research.swtch.com/openssl Lessons from the Debian/OpenSSL Fiasco
@LightnessRacesinOrbit About a year now
@LightnessRacesinOrbit AHAHahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
damn I'm losing precision somewhere
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMGGGGG
@LightnessRacesinOrbit slowpoke
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's been pretty well advertised, but you know, if you're not here...
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@BartekBanachewicz Better stop that leak, or your floats will only be ints in no time!
@Xeo bitfields even
@sehe well it's not like I tune into the Stack Overflow news channel every day
@Xeo I moved by 0.18528162798, but I needed to move by 0.185282
00:28
@sehe you have to sort of catch stuff on meta. it's all a bit shit.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was hinting at the months of complete absense
@sehe Or maybe I was just someone else. HUH
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, else you would've known.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. Likely. That would explain some of your apparent identity confusion. Oh well
one more thing. in the event that a program takes up too much memory , what would happen at runtime?
just curious
00:29
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, I never even visit meta. Unless linked from the lounge, maybe
shit hits the fan
@metredigm What OS?
say 32bit windows.
OS will start swapping out unused memory when you exhaust RAM
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@BartekBanachewicz Eh, floats are kinda bad for that. Maybe try doubles? :P
00:30
When you run out of RAM and swap space, your program dies
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Also, double whopper; // nom
@Xeo I am amazed, because I am doing simple multiplies and addition
@metredigm You're doomed. The OS will begin to thrash and try to swap things in and out. Officially, the rest of the OS is guaranteed to remain 'stable' (as in:running) but in practice, nothing is responsive, and unless you get a friend sysadmin with a remote shell backdoor to kill your process with TASKKILL, you're doomed
I'll try doubles anyway
no dialog error or anything?
00:31
@metredigm LOL
@metredigm Go straight to swapdeath. Do not pass go, do not collect £200
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seems a little dangerous if you have a violent memory leak in an infinite loop
@CatPlusPlus s/program/computer/, also this happens well before you run out of swap
@CatPlusPlus why do I have a feeling that this() would call operator()(). it wouldn't?
@doug65536 No
00:32
@je4d On that, I recently bought insurance against OOM kills.
this is a pointer
Ell
Ell
Heh having network swap could be a good experiment
yeah, guess I'm mixing it up with C's function call semantics
network swapping also sounds really dangerous with bad leaks
It only works for function pointers
Mostly because dereferencing function pointer yields the same pointer anyway
00:33
@metredigm ...
@sehe is that like life insurance to guarantee resources for the surviving dependent processes?
^ I didn't eventually go for all the extras, but the CPU,Mem,GPU and of course silent operation are all included
that computer is too good for it's price..
@sehe ah, the "throw more memory at it" school of insurance :)
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@sehe How silent is it actually?
00:34
@Xeo I hate how you were right ;/.... oooh or not.
@metredigm It's really impressive yes.
@sehe I like how they invoice you for Ubuntu
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 0 GBP
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Because I got a really silent fan here that I only hear when the room is silent in all other regards.
@Xeo No, there are plenty of other reasons
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00:35
Yeah that price is awesome
@Xeo Well, the kind you can lookup in the dictionary. It's silent unless I use my optical drive. SILENT
Okay, changing to doubles changed magnitude of my error
it's 1.66974e-032 now
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Meh, try working with epsilon if you want actual 0
god DAMMIT fuck you floating point number
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@sehe doesn't the HDD make a noise?
00:35
@Xeo I had that for the last 5-6 years. it was a custom build and I was soooo extremely happy with the quietness that I decided I was not going to settle for anything less silent
@Ell I hope it doesn't. It is solid state
@sehe who's selling those?
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Heh oh :L
@Xeo I think it's the only option, but it sounds like a failure
SSD = after a while, you'll get brief random I/O related hangs eventually
@je4d everyone?
@doug65536 prove it
00:36
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because the memory for the strong literals was never allocated by the dynamic memory management subsystem in the first place. If it didn't allocate it, then it can't release it. Nothing silly about it, rather it goes directly the different ways that memory can be obtained by the program. — dmckee 4 mins ago
English comprehension fail
I've had an SSD for a couple of years. it's starting to do the hang-for-a-few-seconds thing maybe once a day or so
itoa() will work multi-platform in the finished binary, correct? or will it be broken there too
@BartekBanachewicz ah, I assumed it was some special deal due to the exclamations over the price
Sadly they don't seem to have a referral program :)
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00:37
@doug65536 The expected life-time of an SSD is usually ~2 years, so eh.
@doug65536 are you sure it's the SSD? All other factors removed?
never mind, actually.
@Xeo wat? HDD drives are long dead and gone
@doug65536 FUD. I've used SSD for years now
can't be sure, I've tried to confirm it but I don't get any events in the event log or anything
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@BartekBanachewicz huh?
that's very nice proof
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I meant for an individual SSD.
@Xeo That's grossly inaccurate. Some people have reported bad streaks
@Xeo 2 years is absurdly low number
00:38
I'm not trying to spread FUD, it is a real issue. my SSD drive has been ok overall, I wouldn't steer someone away from it
@Xeo Link me to an example
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@BartekBanachewicz I remember it from an article on the SSDs they used for SO's server.
@Xeo well, servers are making 100x the IO of normal PC
which gives us 200 years :P
@doug65536 it is not. In general. Old controllers were bad. Small drives suffer more "wear". Both are not very applicable these days
I've been writing c++ since the age of 15, and this is the first time I really thought about the acronym STD and actually thought of Sexually Transmitted Disease
I'm not sure if it's the talk I'm listening to, and the talkee's accent.. this has never happened before
00:40
@refp and you came here to tell us about it?
never even thought about the fact that it's the same acronym
@Xeo Yeah. That's not science though. That was a highly ranty article. And good advice: KEEP BACKUPS. SSDs die without warning
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Speaking of stds
@BartekBanachewicz of course, now go and have a segfault for your amazing comment.
00:40
@Xeo I know that article
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@sehe Or don't keep highly important stuff on the SSD.
Is what I do
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Ssds are fine
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I got the OS and some programs on it, the rest on my external HDD
@Xeo I keep only the highly important stuff on SSD. But I keep backups of everything
00:41
@BartekBanachewicz you're welcome.
@Xeo don't keep important stuff on any of your drives. But I trust my SSD more than my HDD
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So, the relatively higher chance of failure always gets me thinking what people need >128GB for.
don't keep important stuff.
don't keep anything
let it run free
what was this guy's name again? ^
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Or maybe I'm just behind on SSDs.
00:42
@Xeo they are evolving, y'know
we have SSD-based SEDs now
Soon-evaporating disks?
lol
that is nice too
disks with expiration date
@BartekBanachewicz if you show me another shop that has these... I have been a long time customer with TranquilPC (which has similar offerings) but my last experience (buying a media centre) drove me away, despite that media centre being a great device
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IIRC the chance of failure isnt siginificsntly higher
For general purpose use
@sehe oh, you mean the whole pc. I built mine myself
anyway, I have this one
And I wouldn't trade it for any HDD
00:44
@BartekBanachewicz I did last times around. I was a bit too tired to tackle it this time. And i wanted to be absolutely sure that thing were QUIET. And top notch. And well, it is now :0
can't wait to measure my cpu fan with a ruler in hopes of replacing it
hehe. That calls for a picture of mine
@BartekBanachewicz They all have one
I'm waiting for Lounge<C++> to start discussing interesting topics instead of SSD's ... :(
Start one you lazy scrub
00:45
@refp define interesting
@BartekBanachewicz the C++ standard knows nothing about SSD's (or it's related components)
call me crazy but I also have a RAM drive for temp files lol
@BartekBanachewicz ^
@sehe mine is pretty quiet too, mainly thanks to 3 fans on GPU
00:45
@doug65536 :) Me too. max ~31 GiB actually :)
@sehe why do you have a hamster inside your computer?
@BartekBanachewicz ?! you mean, it makes noise due to the fans
@sehe I need to buy something like this. Because hell, stock intel cooling is ssooooo baaaaad
@refp we have a vacancy there
@sehe if your reply is "I don't" then you have a hamster wheel in there for nothing.. now take it out.
00:46
@sehe no! there are 3 of them, but rotating very slowly. they don't exceed the "hearing" barrier
@BartekBanachewicz Mine's passive. No surprises there
...
@sehe cool GTX670 passively -.-
stop it guys, stop it
@refp you ain't gonna tell me what to do
@refp You started on the hamster thing
Mineral oil cooling
@doug65536 Sure you can. Just think of convenience. End of story
or segfaults, that will know the temperature far down (unless the cpu explodes)
00:47
fucking refrigerator, anyone?
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Just submerge your PC in oil~
@sehe what?
@sehe I thought that would be the end of this conversation about hardware
30 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Mineral oil cooling
or in liquid nitrogen
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00:48
Eh, no
@CatPlusPlus he is a bit slow, take it easy
@BartekBanachewicz Doesn't work this way (TM)
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You don't want it too cold
Stuff works better if it's above a certain temperature.
i dunno
last time I've checked resistance dropped with drop of temperature
transistors switch faster when they are colder. you only want to keep it warm enough to prevent condensation
00:49
in high-school a few of my class mates filled a fish tank with 50% water and 50% oil. some fishes in the water, and a motherboard and it's components in the oil, worked quite well for cooling
And less resistance = less heat and less voltage
@CatPlusPlus Switching this PC on was actually kinda eery like the vids on oil cooling. It just sits there, and for a while you think, something must be wrong, it's not powering up. But then, the screen starts showing all the usual signs and your heart gets eveloped in a warm fuzzy feeling ...
@refp Just find another playground there. No STDs here today
warm fuzzy feeling ...
@sehe find another playground.. where? I wanna discuss the c++ standard, not talk about something that someone into java might have knowledge of
:)
00:50
with my water cooler, I tested continuous FPU stress on all 12 logical processors (BOINC science thing) with the fan unplugged. It never went above 60° C.
not that people who are into java has knowledge of anything really.. but still
@refp we don't know anything about C++
we're just pretending
with fan on, it cools to about 38° and the fan is nearly stopped
@BartekBanachewicz you are most def' in the wrong chat room then..
java java java
00:51
@BartekBanachewicz not pretending very well.
mushroom mushroom
@refp does my exceptional C++ knowledge show? Oh stop it, you.
@refp Because, you know, obviously Java programmers have a need to know about hardware. there platform being tied to it. Their language providing ample opportunity for "mechanical sympathy". Yeah, there JAVA guys, they know their SATA TRIM and their LEAL instructions.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm looking at your github right now.
@refp oh shit. I hope there are no singletons left there
00:52
@sehe Do you mean "maniacal sympathy"?
@sehe java guys pretend to know everything about everything, c++ guys shouldn't care about anything not in the standard.. that's a given fact, and you know it. we know nothing because we don't want to know nothing
@Code-Guru Nope
@sehe I saw in your screencap that it just says £1079... do you not have to pay any VAT when getting it shipped to NL?
@refp Troll on
@sehe Or maybe just "maniacal"?
=p
00:52
Can I ignore a chunk in tracked file in git? I have one that I don't want to commit (because it's a hack for this shit not working here) and I don't want it to show in modified files :sigh:
@sehe you know me far too well at this point
@je4d Of course. The end result was 1400EUR (different config though)
@BartekBanachewicz just bad coding semantics, no singletons yet
Indeed I do.
And another unannounced user-specific preference settings got enacted
@sehe Mine costed (about) 1500 with screens
00:53
@CatPlusPlus You can do an interactive add with git add -i. I'm not sure how to get the chunk to not show up in git status, though.
@refp semantics.
I know I can not add it
@BartekBanachewicz I know. I never said it was cheap. It was worth MY money, though, this time.
@sehe ah, ok. Was just curious because for me it displays (£..... inc VAT) alongside every raw price
@sehe Oh god and I still have 2 years before I start earning actual money -.-
ugghhh
00:54
@BartekBanachewicz or coding praxis, if you so will
@BartekBanachewicz Why
@je4d I bet you can switch that in the preferences. When you create an account you can the preferred currency too
@CatPlusPlus because intel pays a fraction of pay to interns?
@CatPlusPlus git add -i allows you to add "chunks" selectively. probably not exactly what you are looking for, though...
@BartekBanachewicz I'm just trolling though, as always.. it's not fun not that @sehe blew my cover
00:55
@CatPlusPlus inb4 student loans
@sehe yeah, but I'd still have to pay it :P
@Code-Guru I know
@sehe nah. I am not loaning any money from anyone.
@je4d I know. I didn't want to confuse any of that.
@BartekBanachewicz 2 year internship?
00:56
@CatPlusPlus well, yes.
I have a nail in my ear.
@CatPlusPlus Holy shit... what a mess... haha
@CatPlusPlus don't bite my head off =p
Oooooh @mysticial you're the number genius. I need your help, if you don't mind.
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. Well, then everything should be looking relatively bright. At least, you got a potential job :)
00:57
I have no loans either high five
@sehe yea, I'm just complaining because whynot. And because float.
@BartekBanachewicz hang on, lemme read all the comments on that question first.
@Mysticial Yeah. The class act of tonight's show
@BartekBanachewicz Upgrade to double :P)
22 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Okay, changing to doubles changed magnitude of my error
@sehe that looks nice
00:58
@Mysticial tldr special snowflake primadonna who can totally solve impossible because C++ is A ART and he's C++ super expert and not out-of-imagination
@CatPlusPlus .gitattribute and filters
@doug65536 nothing crazy about that
@BartekBanachewicz you're using an epsilon right?
@doug65536 I am not comparing anything in terms of equality, so right now, no.
@Mysticial Also voters are dumb because Hitler
(Literally)
00:59
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And it is nice. I'm quite happy about that. One of the few purchases in a long time that made me feel happy. And they delivered within 4 days. Woot.
@BartekBanachewicz perhaps I'm not following completely, you're expecting a zero result?

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