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21:00
@Xeo Or maybe just do what sehe said...
@ThePhD Actually, you know what the worse part is?
I mean, really. How did they fathom that the team that makes games with the most objectification of women ever would responsibly handle a good female heroine?
The story was handled by Nintendo.
@EtiennedeMartel Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q
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@Xeo I have heard in the meantime that you can instruct GCC to build the dependencies as well as compiling in 1 go. You'd want to read the manpage a bit for that option, since clearly that is better
21:00
Team Ninja only worked on the gameplay, which is the best part of the game.
This is why Nintendo can't have nice things.
The cutscenes were made by that studio that makes the cutscenes for the TN games.
TN?
@ThePhD wait what
Team Ninja.
21:01
@Rapptz Retro Studios was in control of the Metroid series since Metroid Prime.
Do you know how many developers worked on the Metroid series?
But the story and all that? Nintendo. Or, to be more precise, Yoshio Sakamoto.
@ThePhD hint: first party developer
I can't believe Nintendo fucked their own IP up so hard. >_<
Someone once said that the only way Other M's story makes sense is if they retcon the whole Prime series out of continuity.
If that's true, then I guess someone at Nintendo was really jealous of Retro.
21:03
I always thought OtherM was just a prelude.
@ThePhD It's set after Super Metroid.
But before the Primes, right?
It begins with the death of the baby Metroid, remember?
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I only ever played Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. :(
@ThePhD No, those are between Metroid 1 and 2.
21:03
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, jealous enough to offer them control of the Zelda series?
user142019
@Xeo awesome.
Anyway Retro is working on a new game, which is probably a Metroid game since they're so mysterious about it.
@Rapptz Metroid and Zelda are handled by two different departments within the company.
@Xeo It was good, but not as good as the first one. The gameplay was tighter, but the whole light/dark mechanic was weird.
Miyamoto: "As you know, we have already collaborated with Retro for the Metroid Prime series in the past. And I think when we talk about any other franchise, Zelda might be a possible franchise for that collaboration."
@Rapptz Miyamoto is the guy who decided to fork Metroid to Retro, IIRC.
So you might be right.
And perhaps I'm only talking straight out of my ass.
21:05
Miyamoto is a smart person.
Whoever made the counter decision should be burned.
@ThePhD Best fucking game designer in the world.
Metatrolling.
Well Retro is working on an undisclosed game that they keep trying to keep a secret
@Rapptz Yeah, the only thing we know is that it's gonna be on Wii U.
=[
Damnit, now I have to get a Wii U.
I already have a Wii U.
21:08
I proposed a Debugging FAQ. There are 1001 programming articles, but few articles on how to debug code.
You know.. for all those eventual first party IPs.
I always felt that was weird.
that I am patiently waiting for :(
Considering their main strengths are a) meeting ridiculously tight deadlines and b) carefully handling existing franchises, it's probably going to be something well established.
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@sehe TIL that g++ -M basically does what my hamgen was going to do. :s
21:09
I'd like to work for a company like Retro.
@Xeo Cockblocked by G++? Damn.
Unrelated but I got my button to work
whee
Weird considering how much time is spent debugging vs writing code.
@Rapptz WELL CONGRATUFUCKIN' LATIONS. D:<
@Xeo classic
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@ThePhD Pretty much.
Well, now I won't have to dick around with Boost.Wave, but I also kinda lose my reason to dabble in Haskell.
21:11
@ThePhD That probably means lots of overtime.
@ThePhD I doubt there was any sexual reward involved.
@EtiennedeMartel But fun overtime.
Where you learn lots of shit.
@ThePhD well it does have an issue that a single click actually clicks it like.. 25 times or so
There is no fun overtime
but I can make it click only once.
21:11
It might be fun for first month
Then please delete it, it is totally irrelevant to my question here. — icando 2 mins ago
lol
@CatPlusPlus You lazy you.
@Rapptz Ultra-acceptance.
@EtiennedeMartel It's not about that and you know it :.
@ThePhD and it technically is just an image with button-like properties..
user142019
21:12
All Haskell programmers are lazy and this pun is terrible.
@CatPlusPlus I know. But you're still lazy.
Orthogonal to the issue!
(Yes I am)
user142019
Also laziness is good.
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Hmm... of course, Clang doesn't have -M.
1. Don't use make
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21:14
heh
user142019
2. Don't program
user142019
ALL PROBLEMS GONE
clang -MD -MF should work
user142019
clang -MDMA
Or maybe just -MD
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21:18
Aye, that seems to work.
Anyways, what do you use instead of make?
Although -MD includes all indirect dependencies too... hm
GCC has -MD too
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Oh wait, -M on GCC does that too
-MD is equivalent to -M -MF file, except that -E is not implied. The driver determines file based on whether an -o option is given. If it is, the driver uses its argument but with a suffix of .d, otherwise it take the basename of the input file and applies a .d suffix.
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And I probably can't get it to exclude system includes...
@Xeo wow :/ I could have told you that
21:23
@Xeo lolwut
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Seems I still have some reason atleast to write hamgen.
Hm, also I can exclude system includes by simply cat t.cpp | grep -v "#include <.*>" | cl++ -MD -MF t.d -x c++ -E - >/dev/null
How does that exclude anything?
(Also useless use of cat)
@R.MartinhoFernandes New webby is ten miles better.
Yeah, I think I'm done for now.
Now I need to finish filling in the content.
also porting to MSVC
non-Unicode Wide implementation makes me cry
@Xeo <> is not used just for system includes
@DeadMG I'll try it myself when the C++11 update finally comes out. I really don't want to be fighting bugs that will be fixed in a few months.
fair nuff
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I only give lines to clang that don't contain #include <.*>, so those won't show up in the dependencies.
21:34
or just compile it against the non-CTP version.
@Xeo <> is not "system include".
Damn, VS has been all like "Initializing... (0 of 6)" for the last 15 minutes, and I have no IntelliSense.
as long as you're not using the run-time debugger, which has a really fucking annoying habit of crashing :(
@EtiennedeMartel It's in days
0 of 6 days
Also GCC can filter system includes IIRC.
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21:35
@CatPlusPlus Eh, I atleast see <...> as system includes, aka external libraries. Meh.
@CatPlusPlus It was 5 before.
@Xeo It's not a valid assumption
you know that one translation unit is too big when: you have to have multiple windows open on it to browse it effectively.
@EtiennedeMartel Microsoft time
$(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -MT '$(patsubst src/%.cpp,obj/%.o,$<)' -MM $< > $@
That's what I used on an old project.
21:36
System includes are the ones from implicit paths and -isystem params
(And that's not 100% accurate either)
There is no hope or sanity in C++ compilation world
-MM: Like -M but do not mention header files that are found in system header directories, nor header files that are included, directly or indirectly, from such a header.
@CatPlusPlus "Stop! VS time!"
There's also -MMD, like -MD, but no system stuff.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I see.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I smell -MMM: like -MM but.... and then -MMMM: like -MMM but...
21:38
@DeadMG lol
kinda like EnumCalendarExExEx or whatever it is.
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@DeadMG Wasn't there the -vvv thing?
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Or that
@CatPlusPlus Do you think parallel GCs will someday have essentially zero overhead? Maybe with special hardware support?
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21:40
@FredOverflow If it's a compacting GC, I think that will be hard.
Special hardware support: when it runs out of memory, it beeps, opens itself, and waits for you to buy a new RAM module and plug it in.
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lawl
@FredOverflow vOv
@R.MartinhoFernandes Amazing Auto-GC chip, paid for by OCZ and Corsair!
21:41
(It throws away your data periodically)
lol @ title
OMG female nerd alarm!
@FredOverflow lol
@FredOverflow But I thought the neckbeard was the best part :(
@FredOverflow hmm?
@FredOverflow WAT IS DIS
21:43
@FredOverflow decent title music
In Russian (огонёк) it can mean "little flame", which arguably makes it sound a lot cooler than "little tail".
^ that punny paradox
@DeadMG I have been watching this for two minutes now, and I still have no idea what this is...
@FredOverflow That was the first thing I noticed. Not the title. :D
What's a neckbeard?
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@FredOverflow I wonder how long it'll take to load that on my 64kbit connection...
21:44
Also FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I bit my tongue.
@Xeo Are you living under an ISDN rock?
Stupid fucking sneeze.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes What @sbi has?
@FredOverflow Tethering through my phone until I get interwebs on the 25th
Be proud of your neckbeard
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And I already reached my volume limit of 50MB yesterday, the same day I got the week flat. :P
21:45
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't worry, since you don't need to grow a neckbeard (at least according to the video), you don't even have to know what a neckbeard is.
@FredOverflow Meh Scala
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I don't think that video will load anytime soon for me. :|
@CatPlusPlus What's your problem with Scala?
user1182183
hm anyone can explain why mouse messages are not processed in my dll which I inject into a game? however when I alt tab and go back in game then they are processed...
I'm indifferent to Scala
user1182183
21:46
(game menu enables mouse?)
Sorry, but I cannot stand to listen to her anymore. Switching videos:
It's not pure, it has implicit conversions, it has singletons and AFAIR no free functions
Ew, functional programming in Java?
@CatPlusPlus Instead of free functions, you typically use singleton methods ;)
Yeah it's weird, unnecessary and meh
Also, implicit conversions subsume extension methods, and they power the simulation of type classes in Scala.
21:49
I don't like implicit conversions
I prefer strong type systems
Implicit conversions allow you to treat Java Strings as Scala collections. How awesome is that?
Doesn't sound that useful.
 val veryUseful = "hello world".take(5)
^ wouldn't work without implicit conversions
Hint: that's not a good thing
21:51
I guess you don't like extension methods either, then?
@FredOverflow What's "🍌hello world".take(6)?
IEnumerable is cool
hi canu fix ny code for me plz?? ty
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's "🍌hello world".charAt(0)?
@FredOverflow In Java?
21:52
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes I can. Pleast post on pastebin.com
@FredOverflow They're syntax fluff to work around lack of free functions
@FredOverflow 0xD83C
@sehe ok thx i have done that now cn u tell me whats wrong??
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you pasted to the wrong pastebin id. Paste it to cx47ay3 instead
21:53
@R.MartinhoFernandes Anyway, feel free to port your Unicode library to Scala.
Not the point.
Java already has those tools.
Point is that viewing strings as collections isn't terribly useful.
Okay, that was just the first example that came to mind.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wut. You don't understand joking or trolling anymore? Weekend lobotomy?
Never mind. It was lame
21:55
@sehe @sehe: i dont undersatnd plz just fix my codes they r simple
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not into simple code. If you send it to my hotmail code, I can create complex code that works, though. More lines is more pay, more complex is job security for you!
@FredOverflow Hm, nice presenter.
@sehe Cue "How To Write Unmaintainable Code".
@sehe if u dunt like my question then just dont answer it ok u dont hav to read it if u dont like it
can anyone fix my codes?
y u prople making downvotes against me? i hate so it does not hep me you are all bad
You are way too good at this. I'm reporting you as a suspected sock puppet.
Nobody fakes this that well
now u people close my question cos u dont like it well i thawt this internet site was for help people like me
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How do I do stuff in Java?
retrds
Okay I'm done. That was fun!
@FredOverflow I can't fake anything to do with Java, unfortunately.
Cathartic?
21:58
No, contracted.
System.out.println("This is what I want to do");
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ?!
@sehe haha :P never mind
Yes it was cathartic.
I had the feeling it was.

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