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So much software today is written by people who aren't really interested in doing it, but are paid by other people who don't have the technical skill to write it themselves and in fact aren't really interested in developing the software per se, but have figured out a whole bunch of other people would be willing to pay money for it.
I have to −1 because this is a tad too simplistic. What you're saying right now is that if I ask on SO for a recipe for a really tasty egg-salad sandwich, it will be perfectly on-topic as long as I tag it [algorithm] and [language-agnostic]. — ЯegDwight Jan 21 at 21:17
Gurren Lagan.
I watched the whole thing
@CatPlusPlus lol
00:01
@Rapptz: Where's a good place to learn Korean vocabulary/basic sentence structure?
@AndreiTita Yeah. It's terrible.
@Borgleader Korea
00:01
Just pick the right one
@CatPlusPlus Sure because they'll be so apt to explain to me in english what the korean word mean.
@StackedCrooked When the fuck did the Bum do TTGL? How have I missed that?
There's plenty of online resources to learn Korean
But you should get a native teacher
And/or go there
I should go to Japan to learn Japanese
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Just pick the right one
00:03
AHA! I'M BACK!
But the problem is I'm so anti-social I'd probably learn nothing.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Witty retort!
You don't learn a language in books or on the Internets, you know
@AndreiTita Laughter!
@Cicada I'm sure but they're sure to be of unequal quality. I'm hoping he knows of a good one.
00:04
There's probably plenty of people in Japan that speak English
@CatPlusPlus I'd tell them to only speak to me in Japanese and gesture and point.
lol
That way I'd either learn the japanese or get cheated/starved/die.
Another solution is to surround yourself with japanese
Put everything in japanese
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Acceptance! Male bonding!
00:05
My OS is in Japanese.
Not all software respects that though.
@Borgleader Uh, what I actually did was play a korean game and surround myself in Korean for a bit.
Maya and Skype are pretty hardcore about it, though.
@Cicada Lol I thought where will you find that many Japanese willing to spend all their time with you.
@CatPlusPlus I enjoyed watching it.
Then I'd talk to koreans and even though I was a foreigner they were nice to me and gave me some pointers.
00:05
But it didn't really make a long lasting impression. I forgot about it rather quickly.
@Rapptz Smart pointers I hope
@Rapptz Oh right... I'm gonna need to find some non-SSID requiring game or a fake one.
@ThePhD that is why you got the funky looking paths with scons. in japanese windows, the \ is replaced by that funky symbol
@Cicada Ooh. Set myself up for that one didn't I.
@melak47 Yep. Yen!
@melak47 My scons is working btw. :P
@melak47 It's the same with Korean code page, it replaces \ with a Won.
Turns out it wasn't working because my GCC was broken.
Eww code pages.
also..are you japanese? o.O
00:07
@R.MartinhoFernandes "locale"?
I wish.
@R.MartinhoFernandes eww windows
@Mysticial is japanese, everyone ping him.
@Mysticial You're Japanese?
He isn't.
He's Chinese
00:07
OH WELL THAT'S EVEN BETTER
@ThePhD ah. wapanese then? :3
@Rapptz Same shit
Now we know why he can write ycruncher so effectively.
@melak47 Maybe.... Blackanese?
Bapanese?
I don't know.
@Mysticial what
I'm Asian and I speak Asian. There happy? :)
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Q: Ubuntu fail to startup

usrI setup on my laptop "Windows 8" on C and "Ubuntu" on D after time I don't love "Windows 8" so I format the C and put "Windows 7" No I can't open "Ubuntu" From the menu of choosing the OS, if I choose Ubuntu it give message and restart again Unfortunately I can't read this message. I ...

@Mysticial Mandarin chinese?
@ScottW You have such rich urban vocabulary.
> after time I don't love "Windows 8" so I format the C and put "Windows 7"
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@Rapptz Cantonese actually. My Mandarin is very primitive.
Lol, format the C
@Mysticial Cantonese FTW.
That was a lovely poem usr. — Rapptz 12 secs ago
The Cat speaks Catonese.
@Rapptz LOL
StackedCrookedtonese.
00:10
And sometimes Bolognese
@CatPlusPlus Does that make Bologna sandwiches?
I never knew why people didn't just pronounce it Boh Log Nah.
are we talking about noodles now
Instead of Baloney.
00:11
@ThePhD you speak klingon? :o
Bologna sausage ( or ), also known as boloney, baloney or polony, is a sausage derived from and somewhat similar to the Italian mortadella (a finely hashed/ground pork sausage containing cubes of lard that originated in the Italian city of Bologna, ). U.S. government regulations require American bologna to be finely ground, and without visible pieces of lard. Bologna can alternatively be made out of chicken, turkey, beef, pork, venison or soy protein. Polony is the name for a large sausage made from a mixture of beef and pork that was very popular in Britain during the 17th and 18th ...
@melak47 I also wish.
@ThePhD Because it's Italian.
flagged
> Blatantly off-topic and low quality and apparently this community is incapable of recognising that tonight.
00:12
@ThePhD Wait, what.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know, Bologna is pronounced 'Bah Loh Nee'.
Or something like that.
@Rapptz Close.
@ThePhD yes
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wut
I just love googling for unicode banana
@ThePhD OMG you guys are terrible at this.
;~;
What did I do wrong? ;~;
What am I watching
00:14
We call it mortadela
@CatPlusPlus kpop. or jpop if you're watching kyari
@Cicada It's in Japanese.
:D
@Rapptz it's still kpop
:D
I know.
Oh.
So wait, is Baloney a separate word?
00:15
@ThePhD ahahahahahahahahaha
@Rapptz Then why tell me? meh
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm serious. ;~;
@ThePhD Yes, it's a separate word
@ThePhD lol
user142019
How does LLVM map internal representation to machine code?
00:15
Why would "bologna" be pronounced "bah loh nee"?
megalols
user142019
Separate class for each architecture?
That's how I've always heard it pronounced.
You were hearing "baloney" being pronounced.
Like, since forever.
@Zoidberg Can you be more vague
00:16
Either that or America is even more fucked up than I thought
But people were feeding me Bologna Sausage!
@ThePhD You're so Americanised.
> Bologna sausage (English pronunciation: /bəˈloʊnjə/ or /bəˈloʊni/)
Wait, what.
@Zoidberg Magic
I'm so confuuuuused
00:16
That's so... broken
that ubuntu question is terrible but you gotta give him credit for "after time I don't love Windows 8"
;~;
@Cicada Hey, that's my line.
Baloney is another word for Bologna, in the context of sausages, in America. But it is another word.
@EtiennedeMartel No :>
00:16
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ignore it. Yanks.
ITT: Bologna is a bunch of Baloney.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't baloney like cheap stuff?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what?
@Rapptz Japanese kpop. This is confusing...
@EtiennedeMartel Beats me. I'm not a Yank.
00:17
@Zoidberg Ask it on Stack Overflow. Be prepared to lose rep
@StackedCrooked Not really. Most kpop bands also make a japanese version of their songs.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've never heard any other pronounciation
user142019
lol
It's super commercial.
@MooingDuck Other than "baloney"?
00:17
@Cicada Really?
@MooingDuck That's quite sad.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah
@Rapptz Yes. Mainstream songs get a JP and often EN version.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit except in jest.
00:18
@MooingDuck That's bad
I should get my hands on more JPop and KPop.
I don't actively listen to kpop so I wouldn't know.
And maybe even some more JMetal.
I feel this is related
3
My only exposure to JMetal is Freiza.
00:18
it had better be
@MooingDuck :(
@CatPlusPlus TF is that.
@CatPlusPlus There's a rack there.
R..pop?
I don't know
@CatPlusPlus Is that Polish?
00:19
But yeah, really. It's always been 'Bah loh nee' to me. I never knew it was any different.
No, Russian
My 2nd grade teacher lied to me.
AND SHE WAS ITALIAN.
> Marry your favorite Anime Heroine/Hero with this Smartphone App (atodev3.com)
lol
@ThePhD hahahahahahahah
You guys manage to ruin everything.
@Rapptz atodev3 sounds like a linux syscall or something
00:20
YOU RUINED ITALIANS
@ThePhD do you mean actually Italian
@ThePhD or in the way that you people like to say you're Irish/Italian/whatever, when you're like fifth generation Americans?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hyperbole?
@Rapptz Some people think they really are an anime character.
I only count up to my grandparents
Though both my grandparents and parents are half and half
:7763652 Isn't that an island?
00:22
@Rapptz dunno
@EtiennedeMartel what?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ireland.
@Rapptz I wonder which my favorite one would be.
@StackedCrooked Better download and find out!
@EtiennedeMartel No
@EtiennedeMartel Well, yes.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what yes it is
Asia's a continent.
00:24
@Rapptz read my WHOLE stream of consciousness
The pacific ocean is an island.
see, I was gonna do a thing about how it's two countries, neither of which is called Ireland. but, yes, okay, the island is called Ireland.
@StackedCrooked Yeah, the ocean is surrounded by water
@EtiennedeMartel Not on all sides, though. That makes it at best a peninsula.
omg
i laughed
00:25
@EtiennedeMartel I thought it was obvious.
An island or isle is any piece of sub-continental land that is surrounded by water. Very small islands such as emergent land features on atolls can be called islets, skerries, cays or keys. An island in a river or an island in a lake may be called an eyot (also ait ), or holm. A grouping of geographically or geologically related islands is called an archipelago. An island may still be described as such despite the presence of an artificial land bridge, for example Singapore and its causeway, or the various Dutch delta islands, such as IJsselmonde. Some places may even retain...
> Greenland is the world's largest island [3] with an area of over 2.1 million km², while Australia, the world's smallest continent[4] has an area of 7.6 million km², but there is no standard of size which distinguishes islands from continents,[5] or from islets.[6]
^ @ScottW
I like the citation marks interspersed.
So basically someone just decides
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah? your mum liked them too.
@ScottW I know
and I decide that Asia is a continent
@ScottW I made your dickishness less effective and for that I feel good
00:26
The Asia Islands (Kepulauan Asia) are a group of three small islands between Ayu Islands and Palau. They are located 117 km north of Waigeo. The individual islands are known as Fani, Igin and Miarin. Administratively the Asia Islands belong to the Indonesian province of West Papua. References *[http://hanzi.fellowshare.com/en/Islands_of_Indonesia.htm Islands of Indonesia]
No, I did.
Right now.
As of 45 seconds ago.
@R.MartinhoFernandes \o/
Asia is not a continent
:v
Asia is part of a continent
00:27
Asia is more than one landmass, anyway, so even if only for that reason it shall not be refered to as "an island".
but then again so is your mom
Eurasia.
America is totally an island
if you don't count ice
Tierra del Fuego is in America.
That makes it at least two islands.
00:28
I say Montreal is a continent.
galapagos too
I say you're incontinent.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it on fire?
@EtiennedeMartel Quite the opposite actually.
00:30
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that's quite the misleading name.
@Rapptz Shiny!
@ThePhD You damn Firefly fan.
@EtiennedeMartel On a totally unrelated note. Do you know the band Of Montreal? (they are actually american). Their album Satanic Panic in the Attic is one of my all-time favorites. ...
Wait, what? ;~;
I've never watched firefly, I'm sorry. ;~;
> Temperatures are steady throughout the year: in Ushuaia they hardly surpass 9 °C (48 °F) in summers and average 0 °C (32 °F) in winters. Snowfall can occur in summer.
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@ThePhD For some reason I find it funny.
I think that maybe people are now fixated on trying to see if everything is a reference to a show.
Or maybe I'm on reddit too much.
@EtiennedeMartel It was named so because Magellan saw many fires in the distance (native encampments)
user142019
VirtualAlloc y u return null.
@StackedCrooked I've heard about them roughly around the time when you started talking about it a few months back. I think they got their name because of the band's leader's failed romance with a girl from Montreal.
Ah, I mentioned it before?
I forgot :)
OH GOD
They set the natural scaling factors of these models to 11
Why 11x larger ffff Dx
00:33
wtf is going on
Marvin Gaye.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You call that cold?
@StackedCrooked inb4 gay joke from @Cicada.
@EtiennedeMartel You call that a fire?
@EtiennedeMartel J'ai bien failli.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't.
00:35
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't.
@Cicada So, bomberman?
@R.MartinhoFernandes <3
I used to play that with my brothers. We'd cram 4 of us on a keyboard, and go at it.
@ThePhD I don't know. What target platform?
Because on PC i'd prefer a sandbox game or something
00:35
Sandbox Bomberman.
@Cicada At the moment, I have no iPhone/Android, but I do have a PS Vita (but that costs money to develop against, unless you'd like to bite the Mono Bullet)
Sandyman
4 people on a keyboard?
> PS Vita
laughinggirls.jpg
For some reason, that reminds me of Airburst.
Airburst is a 2001 Mac OS game developed by Strange Flavour and published by Freeverse. On October 25, 2007, it was announced for Xbox Live Arcade game for the Xbox 360. There is currently no release date for the Xbox 360 release but the game is available for testing on Partnernet, the private Xbox 360 developer site. Gameplay The game has been described as "an inverted version of Pong", in which players divert a "deadly chainsaw-bladed burster ball" with a paddle towards other players' platforms, which are made of balloons. Each player is armed with a bat which can be used to deflect th...
@ThePhD lol PS Vita
How does it feel to have no games?
00:36
@Rapptz Hey, I don't turn my nose up at free stuff.
PS Vita would have been fine if they didn't fuck up with the memory
Proprietary memory again was so fucking stupid
Yeah... they also impose memory usage limitations internally. It's pretty sweet.
Developing without the real SDK was an ass.
how is that "pretty sweet"
</sarcasm>
The Vita's main issue is that portable consoles now compete directly with smartphones, and Sony doesn't have Nintendo's IP backlog.
00:38
Nintendo handhelds sell like crazy
@Rapptz Because they have a lot of development support.
Sony doesn't have that for Vita.
The Wii U is a huge fail though.
@ThePhD Hahahahahahahahahahah no.
@Cicada It's the sound of an ambulance. :O
00:38
Nintendo is a fucking piece of shit when it comes to development support.
@ThePhD No, it's because they have a large amount of IP.
user142019
Much better now I abstracted this shit.
I didn't mean helping developers.
They leave the devs to fend for themselves.
I meant a huge amount of 2nd party developers they've chained to the ground.
00:39
WTF does "development support" mean then?
With crappy SDKs and tools
Anyway I'm kind of sad about the Wii U
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is convenient for the point he's trying to make.
They lure them in with the idea that "YOU'RE DEVELOPING FOR NINTENDO", and then get them to sign a contract, and then shackle them in a basement to begin the horror.
They changed their regulations to be a developer for Nintendo and people are still not heavily developing for it.
00:39
@EtiennedeMartel There is a name for that!
user142019
Though the design is terrible.
$10k SDK to $2.5k, no more needing an office to develop so indie people can developer, an eShop to distribute for free
I wouldn't touch the WiiU with a 20 foot pole, until the thing gets homebrew'd the shit out of.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Standard Puppy Argumentation Technique (or SPAT)?
00:40
You can use Unity to develop for it too
@Rapptz 2.5K is not cheap.
@EtiennedeMartel Hey it was just some wrong terminology, don't go throwing me in that pit!
@ThePhD Cheaper than the previous $10k
Unity's market is skyrocketing
I still hate developing with Unity, though.
You can also use Unity and I hear they're giving free dev tools.
00:41
It's a real ass to use when you want to NOT do something that's built in.
So I don't get the hate with Nintendo being shitty to developers still.
@Cicada Thanks to them being alone on said market.
It seems they're trying to change but no one is taking them up on it
@Rapptz After years of being treated like crap, who wouldn't be wary?
Second chances? I don't know. I'd at least see if they truly changed
00:42
@Rapptz ahahaha
why should I use std::array instead of C-style arrays
Anyway what the Wii U needs to stop sucking is new games.
@Cicada size(), iterators etc
@Cicada What @Rapptz said.
> The size and efficiency of array<T,N> for some number of elements is equivalent to size and efficiency of the corresponding C-style array T[N].
> for some number of elements
what do they mean?
00:45
Oh, that makes sense
yeah, N of T
They're being overly wordy about it.
alrit tx guis
@ThePhD Language lawyers, eh.
array<T, N> is exactly the same as T[N] but better
00:46
@ThePhD go on steam for a bit
@CatPlusPlus Similar, but different.
how is it different?
@Rapptz But... I have to walk to my desktop machine. D:
Just a question
@ThePhD You don't have Steam on your laptop? Or wherever the hell you're at.
00:47
@EtiennedeMartel Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike each other
Won't that create plenty of template instances of array<T, N> for every combination of (T, N)? Leading to massive exe size bloat?
wut
@Cicada lolwot, no.
How
00:47
firstly, "WAAAAH EXECUTABLE BLOAT!"
There is literally no code there and all of it is trivially inlineable
and secondly,
what the Cat just said.
hmm
array<T, N> has better interface and doesn't have decay semantics
@CatPlusPlus I like decay semantics.
00:49
The only drawback is that it can't deduce element count from aggregate init
myarray.data() gets annoying .
But that's fixable with make_array which is not hard to do
@ThePhD Stop using it all the time, then.
alright
Decay semantics are one of the most terrible instances of implicit conversions in entire C++
(I'm bad at plurals)
Seriously, implicit conversions are bad but array-to-pointer decay is absolutely fucking atrocious
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00:52
Jesus christ
I'm going into these files and modifying everything
Why is the scale factor SO BIIG?
@CatPlusPlus Blame it on C compatibility. Like some other terrible things of C++, actually.
modules q_q
I can't wait 'till C++17.
I had started doing a minecraft clone with webgl
I can't seem to get the shadows to work properly
@Cicada Good... good luck, Soldier.
sigh
00:57
I've only ever done a tiny bit of shadowing and it was hard. =[
Basic shadows are rather simple
It's actually on my TODO list for what I'm working on right now...
Ambient occlusion is more fucked up
Lol, ambient occlusion. @_@
it looks so much better
00:59
@Cicada basic shadows are ok. but there's all sorts of fun things to make basic shadows not suck that aren't so easy :D
@Cicada you still need shadows though :p
You still do
But the visual improvements are amazing
Yeah...

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