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1:00 PM
@Blob (unfortunately this is what teachers do)
@Blob (lots of the time)
 
@Cinch Who cares?
Books.
 
@Griwes I like how you fixed the Markdown but not s/expect/expert/ :P
 
Books are your teachers, not your university or whatever else teachers.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Argh.
 
i was disappointed my school taught C but not C++, but I guess it's for the best
 
@Griwes I searched up your phrase
It didn't come up
word for word
 
1:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes And of course you waited until it was no longer editable. :D
@Cinch And this is why you will not make "education" better.
You think you are smarter, better, than your teachers... you are not, not really.
 
@Griwes I am definitely not better than my teachers
 
No-one cares about "word to word".
 
But I am better than a majority of my classmates right now
 
@Cinch ...then how the heck do you intend to improve education?
 
And the impression that I give is basic enough to allow beginners to develop a grasp on the two concepts of compiling and interpretation
@Griwes Oh, that's just programming
 
1:02 PM
@Cinch i'm better than all of my classmates (i'm in an intro to cs course); doesn't mean i'm qualified to teach
 
@Cinch It's too basic.
It's so basic it's wrong.
You decided to make it simpler than possible.
Which in turn made you lose some crucial information about it.
 
@Griwes what's so crucial?
 
@Blob He does not want experience. He just dreams of teaching.
For some reason that gives him a boner or something
 
Simplifying things is not how you teach.
:21967655 I always get these wrong :/
 
@Griwes Did you just say that?
 
1:04 PM
@Cinch Then thing I've been talking for the past hour.
 
How else do you teach anyone anything?
 
You explain it.
 
You selectively explain the concepts that matter most
 
@Griwes You explain things by breaking it down into simpler concepts that the audience can understand
 
See, this is why you are not ready to teach anything.
@Cinch lol
 
1:05 PM
You reinforce concepts that are crucial to its execution
What is you teaching experience?
 
my teacher said floating point storage for 1 is like "1.0000000....1" -.-
 
If your assumption is "they can't get this, so I will dumb this down".
 
and 2 was "2.00000....2"
 
@Griwes It's called "break it down"
 
This is not how you teach.
You can't optimize for the dumb ones in the audience.
 
1:05 PM
Meh.
 
@Griwes Have you had any teaching experience of all?
 
You have to assume people can think.
 
It's a fine method.
 
@Cinch Have you?
 
@Griwes Plenty
 
1:06 PM
ouch
 
I spent two years teaching karate at the black belt level from 40 year olds to 4 year olds
I spent an entire year teaching military style drill to high schoolers
 
@Cinch Then I'm surprised you have this approach. And as a student who had this kind of teachers, I pity your students.
 
Glossing over details > spending hours not getting anywhere.
 
@Cinch "At black belt level" means nothing.
 
@Cinch How long did you practice karate before teaching at black belt level?
 
1:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Glossing over details != oversimplifying things.
 
@AndyProwl I won state and national competitions
I spent about 3 or 4 years until I quit for college
 
Ah yes. You won something, so you automatically assumed you are a good teacher. :P
 
@Griwes yeah I know McDojos mean nothing but I can assure you this is not
@Griwes No, but I definitely taught for about 2 years
 
@Cinch Right. So you should spend at least the same amount of time practicing programming before teaching it.
 
"I am good at this, so I'll be a good teacher." Well, no.
 
1:08 PM
@Griwes Of course.
 
@Griwes guess you should have been more careful with your glossing when you said 'simplifying things is not how you teach'.
 
Would you teach someone karate without knowing much about karate? What kind of teacher would you be?
Or even without caring much about karate
 
shameless self promotion again: thisismynick.github.io
 
@Cinch What I mean is that "at black belt level" means "shodan up", and shodan traditionally is nowhere near being a master, while 4-5 ranks up it starts being that.
 
@Griwes I had two nidans that placed at the world level and they were still niidans
@Griwes it's different for different schools
My school had an extremely spartan way of awarding black belts
You'd have to retake the test twice to get the full shodan
 
1:10 PM
Eh. This is what I don't like about karate. Too many people place too much weight on the competitive aspect.
@Cinch Eh?
 
@Griwes Yeah, they gave you shodan-ho for the first try
You were required to compete at the national level as well
The competition basically tried to ensure quality
 
@Cinch Alright.
So to advance, you had to compete.
 
@Griwes No.
Only for the black belt
Our dojo was, by nature, competitive
 
(Beyond individual training at the dojo.)
 
@Griwes Ooh, you seem like you still do it!
Cool! Are you competitive as well or no?
 
1:12 PM
@Cinch That's what I mean. You aren't really advancing before reaching the shodan level (and I am saying this as a person that didn't reach that level... yet).
Okay, let's clear some things up.
First, I'm not in karate, but in aikido.
Second, I really dislike the high pressure some karate schools place on competitions.
Martial arts should be about competition with yourself, not so much with others.
 
@Griwes They're pretty different in the way they do things, I can't deny that.
 
i thought martial arts was about competing against thieves and rapists?
 
@Griwes I found it healthy for quality and challenge. It was good for spirit and developing good character as well
@Griwes I understand that. Martial arts in both competitive and alone with nurturing the self both have their ups and downs
 
But I guess I can't really get myself to like karate, because not being a Japanese martial art, it's too far from those for me to agree with it.
 
@Griwes I'm pretty sure karate is Japanese.
Even though it's roots are Okinawan the modern form is pretty Japanese
 
1:16 PM
My English isn't best today.
> Karate developed in the Ryukyu Kingdom. It was brought to the Japanese mainland in the early 20th century during a time of cultural exchanges between the Japanese and the Chinese.
 
@Griwes Dude I'm Okinawan I know all about this.
 
I'm not sure where this is going but I'd like to remind @Cinch that you can't teach something before you've practiced it long enough - no matter whether it's karate, programming, cooking, playing music, or whatever. Anyone who wants to skip the practicing because he gets a boner for teaching is a dangerous fool. Please don't be one of those.
 
@AndyProwl I know. I'm learning as well too...
Actually I should get a good code review sometime
 
@Cinch It seems to me you're teaching programming before learning it. And you don't even care much about it, admittedly. That's bad.
 
@AndyProwl (I care enough to make a tutorial, lol)
 
1:17 PM
Yeah, my point is, martial arts were evolving for a long time. You can't make something that was really brought to Japan some 100 years ago "Japanese" in such short time.
 
But whatever.
@Griwes I come from Shito-ryu and our dojo practiced a lot of different kata from other styles
 
And philosophy is an integral part of those - you can't change it much, if at all.
@Cinch "Different kata" lol.
 
@Griwes Karate is what you make of it
The philosophies of each brand are unique, but only you can decide how to take it
 
@Cinch So you are saying it doesn't have an inherent philosophy?
 
user1804599
btw guys
 
1:19 PM
@Cinch "Making a tutorial" means "teaching". If you care enough to teach, then you should go through the practice.
 
@Griwes No, of course the art does
 
user1804599
Cinch was already on my plonk list before I entered here.
 
If you don't, you're becoming a dangerous fool
 
@райтфолд :D
 
@AndyProwl true
 
user1804599
1:19 PM
So he was probably a badlet before.
 
define "plonk list"
:)
@Griwes Each dojo even has its own philosophy
That doesn't stop bad apples from doing stuff
 
@Cinch :/
 
@Griwes Our dojo was pretty devoid of any true moral philosophy but the way they ran it reflected it pretty heavily
 
@Cinch :/
 
It's more they reflected it in their action rather than through actual words
 
user1804599
1:20 PM
Please go away and never come back. (From the planet, not just Lounge<C++>.)
 
@райтфолд Wow, that's a pretty strong thing to say.
@райтфолд I'd never say that to anyone.
 
user1804599
Thanks. :)
 
@райтфолд I mean, I've been in that position before and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
Anyway, bottom line.
Even when teaching karate, you probably didn't start doing that your second month at the dojo.
 
@Cinch Relax, she only half means it
 
1:22 PM
Stop trying to do exactly that with C++. kthxbye
 
@Blob No, I don't even say that jokingly.
 
you wanna see worse?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
loooool
@Blob You monster. :D
 
user1804599
@Cinch But you do attempt to teach C++?
 
user1804599
I'd say that's even worse.
 
1:23 PM
@райтфолд How???
O.O
 
user1804599
Because it harms the world.
 
user1804599
Unlike fools leaving.
 
:D
 
@райтфолд Well hopefully I learn enough to do more good than bad.
 
user1804599
ok so both variants will be supported: gist.github.com/rightfold/dbac8acca8369eadeb7b
 
user1804599
1:29 PM
It's so moronic that you cannot fork your own gists.
 
@райтфолд I wonder if gists have their own repo somewhere that you can file that as an enhancement against
 
user1804599
All gists are Git repositories.
 
1:46 PM
I've just consumed way more than I should have done
 
user1804599
I'm nervous.
 
user1804599
For absolutely no reason.
 
@райтфолд sounds like me
i sometimes get really stressed for no reason
 
@Puppy Food?
 
yep]
 
user1804599
Eww.
 
@Jefffrey Make it go away!
 
you can click on that?
I can't
it works in the starboard, nvm
 
user1804599
Tu es terrible.
 
that's a lot of ketchup
 
1:52 PM
any ketchup is too much ketchup
and that's coming from someone who doesn't like pizza in the first place
 
Heresy!
 
GET OUT
 
Double heresy.
 
user1804599
honestly
 
user1804599
ketchup is disgusting
 
user1804599
1:53 PM
just like everything that contains the slightest traces of tomato
 
Jesus. What is wrong with you people.
 

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