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9:00 PM
I just prefer extensible text editors because I can add what I need when I need it
 
Sublime Text for life
 
sbi
@Xeo Well, we didn't just "forget" @Andy, but also Ben. (Ben, however, managed to follow us.) I do not feel good about losing him, but we were 12 people by then, and it was really hard to oversee that whole bunch, if we left before the appointed time, then this must have been 90secs too early, and by 6pm we were probably about 500m away. Andy had at least two of our numbers and could have texted and ask.
Indeed, when we realized he isn't with us we texted him and gave him instructions how to follow us – which he declined. (Also, he later told me he didn't want to go out for other reasons.)
 
@BartekBanachewicz regarding our bartek conversation reddit.com/r/science/comments/3vnr69/…
 
@sbi No problem, shit happens
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Oh, there you are. You OK?
 
9:04 PM
@sbi For some definition of OK :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what is this
 
I arrived at home safely
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Oh. Best wishes then!
 
Thank you
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum So I suppose I should start drinking coffee now?
 
9:04 PM
I'm sorry I didn't join you guys in the end
 
user1804599
Awesome. :D
 
I would have been a bore anyway
 
@nick coffee positive health effects.
We both love coffee, so we discussed it.
 
sbi
@Xeo I didn't even try to get one. They're too silly.
 
@AndyProwl what happened
 
sbi
9:06 PM
3 mins ago, by sbi
@Xeo Well, we didn't just "forget" @Andy, but also Ben. (Ben, however, managed to follow us.) I do not feel good about losing him, but we were 12 people by then, and it was really hard to oversee that whole bunch, if we left before the appointed time, then this must have been 90secs too early, and by 6pm we were probably about 500m away. Andy had at least two of our numbers and could have texted and ask.
 
NetBeans IDE for C++: "Note that MinGW make.exe is not supported" why, god, whyyy?
 
Do not use netbeans
its terrible
 
^ solution.
 
I just learned that
 
sbi
@AndyProwl No, you would not have been. We were 50 people, and there were never less than three conversations going on at the same time. You would have found your niche to fit in, and the general mood of 15 chatty, happy people is quite infectious.
 
9:07 PM
Why would you use NetBeans for editing C++?
 
@sbi I read that. I suspect something else is the matter (for him to be a bore)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I was in a quest to find a full dark themed IDE =\
 
@sehe I was told my ex has found someone else
 
Who got deleted today
 
@bitcode If you like fully featured IDEs you can use Visual Studio and the appropriate plugins (mostly free, and dark themed).
 
9:07 PM
and I was like, completely not smiling
 
@AndyProwl Ah. That's. Not nice to know
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, I realized this by now, but thought it'd be silly to delete my answer.
 
:)
 
If you want something more light- sublime has pretty decent clang integration and does pretty good analysis. There's also always emacs and vim if you want an editor.
 
@sbi 50 people or even 15 people is way too many for me to be comfortable in no matter who they are.
 
sbi
9:08 PM
@sehe Well, he dumped her, so I am not that surprised.
 
@Puppy if it's a good setting and there's music you sort of split into groups.
 
sbi
@Puppy We sat at three tables in the Mexican restaurant, so it was more like 3 or 4 people chatting together.
 
@sehe Could it be ScottW's account?
 
@sbi Well, he also had some serious fits of doubts. So it would seem he "dumped" (aka broke up with) even though he loves her. It's twisted. But still real. Time will heal etc.
@TonyTheLion Yeah. Why not.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have Visual Studio installed. it's just that I didn't want to use Microsoft's compiler so I downloaded other IDE's to use with GCC
 
sbi
9:10 PM
@TonyTheLion What?
What happened to the doggy??
 
He asked for deleting after he got banned for impersonating a mod
 
@sbi He wanted his account deleted, and afaik it was deleted.
 
sbi
@sehe Huh??
 
@bitcode visual studio compiles clang now. Didn't you read ^_^?
 
10 hours ago, by Tony The Lion
@sbi Except for ScottW, who got banned for a year after impersonating a mod, currently no one is really leaving that I know of. Though it has been discussed a few times, especially after drama related events.
did you forget our discussion from this morning already?
 
9:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I saw that yesterday. I guess I'll go back to VS then.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I had seen this earlier, but I thought this was something that had happened years ago!
What did he do??
 
@TonyTheLion a year - I didn't find that "detail"
Dec 3 at 7:55, by Madara Uchiha
@sehe From what I understood, one of which was Nooble's sock, the other was Scott W (who was since suspended network-wide and requested deletion of their SO account, not necessarily in that order)
 
@sehe yea it was banned till dec 2016
what Benjamin linked
 
user406009
When is cosh's ban over?
 
9:12 PM
That's a shame.
 
sbi
What exactly did he do?
 
user406009
@sbi ScottW impersonated a mod.
 
user406009
And then insulted a couple of other mods.
 
sbi
@Lalaland Yeah, I got this, you know. But what exactly happened?
@Lalaland Apparently, others did that, too.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Adding music would only make things worse.
 
user406009
9:14 PM
ScottW was a bit more energetic with his insults and taunts.
 
> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 1 day 23 hours.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I think he could have solved this earlier, but it seems he didn't want to.
 
Maybe that's related to the email thing @BartekBanachewicz (starting about 20 messages above)
 
wait a second, since when VS2015 is free?
 
9:19 PM
About half a year? (community)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum maann. this is great news.
I've been using VS2012 for decades now
 
it's not news at all :D
jeez
 
@TonyTheLion Pop goes the beagle
 
2012 was decades ago? I feel old
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vs2012 is actually still pretty acceptable
 
9:21 PM
I still use vs2005 at work
 
sbi
@melak47 Oh, you finally made it out of bed!
@BenjaminGruenbaum ???
 
@TonyTheLion :O
 
@TonyTheLion rip
 
@sbi I have been for a while now :p
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion For interest's sake, why?
 
sbi
9:23 PM
@melak47 So you say.
 
@Borgleader I know, its like torment. That's why I need lots of love.
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@sehe Thank you for reading it correctly
 
@Lalaland because software was written when that was still a thing, and converting it is a pain.
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion But C++11!
 
sbi
Can someone please fill me in what law Scott broke? (And be a bit more specific than saying "impersonated mod".)
 
9:24 PM
Ohh its not even C++, for most of our C++ code, I'm stuck with VC6
 
user406009
@sbi He asked for his account to be deleted.
 
user406009
He also insulted a mod.
 
@bitcode be sure to download Update 1 as well. More free bugs, and clang.
 
@sbi He impersonated Robert Harvey, afaik.
 
Asking for your account to be deleted is grounds for deletion?
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9:25 PM
but I wasn't there to witness it, so I don't know what was done or said
@melak47 erm, yes
 
@TonyTheLion RIP
 
I've seen some parts of it and it was confusing. I assume the insulting parts have been removed
 
1 min ago, by Tony The Lion
Ohh its not even C++, for most of our C++ code, I'm stuck with VC6
 
user1804599
[Fact]
public static void VirtualTopLevelFunctionTest()
{
    var file = Parse.ParseFile(@"base def f: __int = f;");
    Assert.Throws<IllegalVirtualFunctionException>(() => DefinitionConcretenessAnalyzer.Instance.File(file));
}
 
user1804599
I love testing.
 
user1804599
9:26 PM
There was a bug in this!
 
@TonyTheLion Nothing is worth this tbh
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion How so?
 
@TonyTheLion That's bad. There's no platform on which that is even supported. Might as well willingly run with UB and without firewalls :)
 
sbi
@melak47 You are quite funny tonight.
 
@sehe That's what we're doing then I guess.
but resources
and everything always must be done yesterday
 
9:27 PM
Well. Thanks for making me less envious of people with C++ jobs momentarily, then
 
@sbi maybe I'm still groggy from sleeping all day :p
 
@TonyTheLion Nah. Some things needed to be years ago
 
@sehe I'm sure not all C++ jobs could be grouped into this.
 
Me too :) Note I was talking of specific people with c++ jobs
 
sbi
@melak47 I had breakfast ready for Björn and my by 9:30.
 
user406009
9:28 PM
Facebook actually did C++ quite nicely.
 
Also quite a bit of my job is C#
 
user406009
Up to date compilers, boost, etc, etc.
 
so thats why I'm still semi sane :)
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion C#/C++
 
@TonyTheLion What version of C#?
 
9:28 PM
don't they write their C++ in php :-)
 
they only wait 20 minutes for compilation
hip-hop is fucked
it was the worst idea they've ever had
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum 2.0, 3.5, 4.0
 
user1804599
> Not C# 6.
 
user1804599
RIP
 
@ScarletAmaranth whats wrong with it?
 
9:29 PM
@TonyTheLion 2.0 :( Stay strong.
 
user406009
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah :)
 
@Mikhail it's no longer used (afaik)
 
@Lalaland where'd you get that?
 
user406009
@BenjaminGruenbaum #loungecpp IRC logs. Scott posted it a while ago.
 
9:30 PM
C# 2.0 is annoying, but not nearly as annoying as VC6.0 code which is essentially UB heaven
 
user1804599
lol
 
Ah, I don't #loungecpp on IRC
 
IIRC C# 2.0 still has generics, and LINQ supports it?
 
user1804599
Loser!
 
@sehe lol rekt
 
9:31 PM
@TonyTheLion why do you do it? You probably have a choice.
@Puppy no LINQ.
 
sbi
@Lalaland Oh. That seems like a very knee-jerk reply. Also, it still doesn't say what he did that was considered "impersonating a mod".
 
user406009
@sbi He set his name + avatar + user description.
 
user406009
He then came into the Lounge and said stuff like "I suck" "I am a horrible person", etc, etc.
 
Do you guys think its possible to memory map a 200GB file and pass it to FFTW for an FFT?
 
Ell
do you have 200GB of ram? :P
 
sbi
9:32 PM
@Lalaland Thanks for explaining. It only took 20mins for some of you guys to dare to tell it.
 
Ell
nah, idk how memory mapping words really
 
@Mikhail That sounds like a terrible idea if the memory isn't all in ram.
 
@Mysticial Yes, but my professor is demanding it... Does memory mapping work transparently enough?
 
sbi
@Ell For memory mapping, what you need is that much address space, not that much RAM.
 
Ell
9:33 PM
@sbi ah right of course - I knew I wasn't quite right
 
@Mikhail It will "work", if the definition of "work" is to let it run and come back once a week for the next year to see if it's done yet.
 
sbi
@Mikhail I don't know what FFTW is, but if it's another process you will have to map the file in its process.
 
user1804599
@Ell there's a map of (virtual address range, physical address range) pairs and every read and write first does a lookup in that map.
 
user406009
@Mikhail Have you considered sampling the data and then doing a FFT on that?
 
@Mysticial Cool then I dont have to work next week!
 
9:34 PM
@melak47 "Installation requires 10gb across all drives". I'll stick to codelite for a while
 
@Mikhail ahhhhhhhh :D:D:D:D
 
@sbi Fast Fourier Transform library
 
@bitcode nonono!
 
@jaggedSpire (•~•)
 
@bitcode just untick all the useless boxes
 
user406009
9:35 PM
@sbi Fastest Fourier Transform in the West.
 
@nick :3
 
user406009
It's a good library. I used it before.
 
@melak47 I only ticked the C++ box
 
@Lalaland Not quite sure how to do that while maintaining the full resolution.
 
sbi
@jaggedSpire I thought that FFT stands for FFT. :) But if its a library, then he can map the memory beforehand.
 
9:35 PM
FFS
 
@bitcode don't tick the whole C++ box
 
@Mikhail In all seriousness, it'll depend on where the original file is. If it's anything other than a PCIe SSD, then you're probably fucked.
 
you probably don't need MFC and whatnot
 
user406009
@Mikhail What's the lowest and highest frequency data you want to capture?
 
@Lalaland Nyquist...
 
user1804599
9:36 PM
@Mysticial you should find a faster algorithm to compute the decimal digits of pi that only works on quantum computers.
 
sbi
"You tick the C++ box, and only the C++ box, but not the whole C++ box."
 
@Mikhail no, that's a terrible idea. There are special algorithms for memory efficient linear algebra and FFTs.
 
user1804599
Then buy a quantum computer and implement it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can you suggest one :-)
 
There are special algorithms that rely on how the memory is ordered - you're often better off reordering the memory first and then using them. There are also special algorithms for when the data doesn't fit the ram.
 
9:37 PM
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
@jaggedSpire :) <3
 
Howdy!
 
@Morwenn <3
 
user1804599
Hi slut.
 
how you doin'?
 
9:38 PM
@melak47 if I don't tick anything, it is still 6gb lol.
 
that's all you should need
 
I just helped the USS Constitution robots. And instead of being stuck in a regular building, they're now stuck in a skyscraper.
 
Btw, my stupid Pi computations are done with massive (terabyte-sized) FFTs on disk (mechanical hard drives). And I can tell you that you definitely need to roll out your own thing rather than to use some in-memory algorithm with memory mapping or pagefile.
 
user1804599
@melak47 -1 for not installing F# support.
 
@jaggedSpire ♥
@jaggedSpire Fine, what about you?
@Elyse Hi whore :D
 
9:39 PM
@Morwenn Sup
 
user1804599
@Mysticial why don't you use SSDs?
 
@melak47 I will uninstall VS2012 so I get more HD space
 
@Elyse They won't last very long.
 
SSDs have fatigue incurred
 
@Morwenn doing all right.
 
user1804599
9:39 PM
Get SSDs from the future that will.
 
@Borgleader I'm wondering how to template the fuck out of buffered sorts.
@jaggedSpire Doing all night.
 
@Mysticial Actually FFTW might not work because its wants to allocate the memory for the taps in ram. Might need to mount a ramdisk
 
FFTW can run on large files IIRC. @Mikhail so do that instead.
 
@Morwenn ayyy
 
9:41 PM
@Mikhail Wait? Ramdisk? You have enough ram for it? Then why are you memory mapping?
Pull the whole thing into ram and call FFTW.
 
@Mysticial how do I bigint on SSE
 
@Mysticial No, I want to mount my terabytes of storage as ram?
 
how to programming
 
Ell
@Mysticial what even is a "terabyte-sized" FFT? :P Can I also get terabyte-sized laplace transforms and petabyte sized differentiations? :P
 
@Mikhail swap?
 
9:41 PM
:)
 
Hey, my pull request to WikiSort finally got accepted :D
 
@Mikhail you really don't.
 
user406009
@Ell FFT on terabytes of data.
 
@Mysticial :3
 
Ell
I thought current SSDs had good lifetime?
 
user406009
9:42 PM
Wait isn't the FFT calculation itself a divide and conquer algorithm? Sorta like mergesort?
 
user406009
Which should be easy to perform on disk.
 
Ell
I presume there are multiple algorithms
 
algorithm is called the FFT...
 
@Ell Not when you hammer them at max bandwidth for 24/7.
 
sigh, maybe I should just write a simple makefile as an answer for this: stackoverflow.com/questions/34122782/…
 
9:43 PM
@Ell under "normal" I/O loads
 
@Mikhail what would the frequency domain depict at this extreme resolution? I'm tempted to say it's useless... Of course, if you just do a sliding window across the source data, mapping is fine. /cc @Mysticial
 
Ell
@Mikhail the operation is a FFT, no?
There are multiple addition algorithms
 
It's probably not faster than manual IO
 
Ell
I presumed there would be multiple for doing an FFT
Maybe I'm wrong vOv
 
@Mikhail that's like the opposite of a ramdisk, that's a diskram
 
9:44 PM
@sehe You are 100% correct but my professor is a fucking idiot and told me to do it anyways by monday
 
@Lalaland yes, and horribly non-performant in the natural order
 
@melak47 call it DRAM
 
@Lalaland It is, but FFT libraries that are optimized for memory will do all the wrong things if the "memory" is actually disk.
 
^^
 
@melak47 swap
 
9:44 PM
And even then, you're talking log(N) sequential passes over disk.
 
user406009
I am saying to have your naive FFT algorithm stub out to the actual FFTW one once you get down to like 8 GB.
 
user406009
You wouldn't need that many iterations of your naive algorithm.
 
user406009
So it doesn't really matter if it's not perfect in performance.
 
user1804599
Get more RAM!
 
My pi program does some stuff to get the number of passes over the data down to 2 for most sizes.
And it's not trivial.
 
9:46 PM
@bitcode just a heads up, if you do that you can't gracefully upgrade some projects and let others use the old compiler...because the old compiler will be gone
 
further it has yet to succeed at finding all the digits of Pi
 
@Mikhail if you're serious about this and there is no sliding window involved, just determine the top frequency required in the frequency spectrum, apply Nyquist and resample
 
@Mikhail Monday? Any Monday?
 
@sehe Yes, but my fucking professor wants to whole fucking FFT
 
How specified?
You can give the whole fft. With some range
 
9:47 PM
@MartinJames The first Monday of the week :)
 
Spin up 20 high-memory AWS instances and be done in few hours~
 
I prefer deadlines on the second monday of weeks
 
user3790646
If I ask my girlfriend to go eat something, should I pay both mine and her meal?
 
user406009
@Mikhail Write the naive FFT algorithm and stub out to FFTW once you get down to the size of your RAM.
 
9:48 PM
@melak47 I had given up on VS because I hated the compiler. My code doesn't need compatibility with MS compiler, thankfully. =D
 
Ell
@Andrey if you choose the place, you offer to pay
 
user406009
It won't take much time to write and it might work.
 
Ell
IMHO
That doesn't mean you force her not to pay, but if you take someone to a really fancy place and she can't afford it, I think it's a little unreasonable
 
@melak47 and also I didn't have anything too important made with VS2012 anyways.
 
r3.8xlarge has 244GB RAM and costs 2.8$/hour (and you probably can even get it for less with spot instances)
 
9:49 PM
@Lalaland yeah, but FFTW does some weird re-ordering to avoid the bitswap step at the end of the FFT. Figuring that out will take a day or two.
 
So I'm only half-joking
 
@bitcode welcome to the future, then
 
user406009
@Mikhail Don't worry about it.
 
user406009
Your naive FFT will just directly use the output of FFTW.
 
You could probably compute the thing you want for less than 100$
And without spending 3 weeks optimising disk access :v
 
9:51 PM
@Mikhail If you want to avoid the bit-reversal, then you're fucked. I'm not aware of any public library that will do FFTs without the data shuffling.
 
VS2013 = 3gb.
VS2015 = 8gb. I hate the future
 
Storage is cheap though
 
That's why every serious program that uses FFTs for convolution will hand-roll their own FFT.
 
@Mysticial Is that true? Like who?
 
Because that stupid bit-reversal step can be more expensive than the FFT itself.
@Mikhail Me, prime95, and the majority of the bignum FFTs.
 
9:52 PM
Yeah, but every fucking time I try to hand roll my own FFT for exactly that reason I get the same performance as FFTW.
 
That's because you suck. :)
Or rather, they do it better.
 
Steven Johnson did some crap where the input is shifted rather then the output right?
 
Ell
Why doesn't someone write a good one and open source it?
 
@Ell I don't know. :)
 
9:53 PM
Morning
 
Ell
hint hint ;)
@MadaraUchiha Evening
 
@Ell Because money
 
I have an NTT which skips the bit-reversal and is open-sourced. It's not very efficient though.
 
@Ell Because Musticial doesn't open source :p
 
Ell
9:55 PM
Muh-sticial
 
:D
 
@Morwenn I actually open-sourced the FFT which I wrote in grad school. It's on my Github. But it's not the same one that my Pi program uses. Different tasks, different optimizations.
 
@Mysticial You ruin the fun :(
 
std::ruin(fun);
 
Still not sure what you gain from keeping things freeware instead of GPL
 
9:57 PM
@Morwenn His real one probably has a terrible API, too specific.
 
delete fun;
 
Ell
Man I gave myself loads of head by accident
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std::not_fun
 
@Borgleader The API can't be terrible if it doesn't exist.
 
@Mysticial why is y-cruncher non-free?
 
Ell
9:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus you get to please people like puppy and bartek
 
@edition It's free. But not open-sourced.
 
#define fun not_fun
 
@Ell out of context star is really applicable here :)
 
And don't give me the bullshit about free == open source.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion oh man
I didn't even think :(
 
user3790646
9:58 PM
@MadaraUchiha Who are you?
 
Ell
@Mysticial at least call it "freeware" then :P
 
@Mysticial No API is the worst API
 
Wrong 'free'
 
@Ell what where you trying to say?
 
Ell
"freeware pi programme comes on 3 floppy discs"
@TonyTheLion that my beer has lots of head :L
 
9:58 PM
@Ell ohhhh
that didn't sound like that at all
 
@Andrey I am the being you people refer to as "The World". And also "The Universe". And also "God". And also "Truth". And also "All". and also "One".
 
Oh... aha, my grad school FFT does have a separate bit-reversal step: github.com/Mysticial/sfft/blob/master/source_v2/Tools/…
Don't ask me how to use it. It's been years and I don't remember.
 
@MadaraUchiha The One :)
 
Separate bitrot step
 
And I am also yourself. Arrogant little human.
 
user3790646
9:59 PM
@MadaraUchiha So you're Homunculus?
 
@Andrey Fun fact: My display name used to be Truth.
 

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