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sbi
12:00 PM
@MadaraUchiha And I didn't say you didn't say this. In fact, this was not even what I was talking about. Maybe you go back and read my statement??
@MadaraUchiha No. "You" as in "the whole room".
 
@fredoverflow: So thats just because of Cout? Thanks alot ;)
 
Xeo
There's two "controversial" messages being talked about here. One was Jerry's original message, and one was cosh's snarky response to being told that Jerry's message was bad.
 
@Jefery No. I'm saying that the mod that handled the flag disregarded the "lounge culture" around such discussions.
 
So, was he right or wrong?
 
I'm saying that most mods simply look away because "it's the lounge culture" until one of us, did not.
 
12:00 PM
@Hossein You can configure cout to output more, but I can never remember how to do that off the top of my head.
 
@Jefery My completely personal opinion? Right.
 
No no, even without Lounge culture that message is perfectly fine.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha All it takes is a moderative tone and moderate actions from the moderators.
 
Lounge culture has nothing to do with it.
 
@Jefery ...
Again, we don't see discussions about people's fucking habits in other rooms
Not nearly as often as in the Lounge, if nothing else.
 
sbi
12:02 PM
@BoltClock WILL YOU KIDS SHUT UP ABOUT DADDY HAVING BEEN DRUNK LAST NIGHT AND GO PLAYING INSTEAD!
 
@MadaraUchiha Good, now I'm glad you can stop using the "I didn't handled that flag" excuse. Now it's as if you were for this discussion.
 
@MadaraUchiha We should, its an interesting subject. :)
 
@TonyTheLion There's a respectable way of going about with any discussion.
 
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Q: How do I print a double value with full precision using cout?

Jason PunyonSo I've gotten the answer to my last question (I don't know why I didn't think of that). I was printing a double using cout that got rounded when I wasn't expecting it. How can I make cout print a double using full precision?

 
We didn't see that in the instance yesterday.
 
@MadaraUchiha Wait, so the problem is subject of the message as a whole? I thought it was the message itself and what it conveyed.
 
19 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
@Jefery The entire discussion was in bad taste, let's be fair here.
The message was a trigger.
 
@MadaraUchiha Ok, I might have missed that.
I still resent your misrepresentation, though.
Even though I was not the author. It just feels dishonest.
 
@MadaraUchiha Just add a paragraph here stating that sex is off-topic and considered offensive. Problem solved.
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Saying the whole thing happened because of that one message is like saying WWII happened because some guy shot another guy.
 
Xeo
12:04 PM
4 mins ago, by Xeo
There's two "controversial" messages being talked about here. One was Jerry's original message, and one was cosh's snarky response to being told that Jerry's message was bad.
 
@Xeo No, he didn't mention cosh's.
 
Why do noob moderators have to cause a fuss? Why not let experienced moderators deal with these situations until you have a couple of months of experience under your belt? Room owners & moderators have always been good at resolving any and all issues.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha And you rarely see as many discussions about moderating as in meta's tavern. So? It's just that a certain room culture attracts certain people. What is your problem with that?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes The fuckbag one was cosh's, though.
 
@Xeo Yes, and that one was not misrepresented.
 
@sbi Some room cultures were OK with, some, not so much.
The tavern doesn't have a crackdown/meltdown every once in a while...
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha This room's culture is to some extend shaped by Europeans who do not seem to have a problem when sex or bodily fluids come up. If you don't like it, do not go there. And if people flag because they do not speak about programming in a lounge, tell them to go elsewhere.
 
@sbi That's all nice and well. But still not appropriate for Stack Overflow chat.
 
@MadaraUchiha That's what happened.
 
@sbi Remember the fuss and outrage when SO had a gay logo for 1 or 2 weeks? :)
 
12:07 PM
Would it have happened due to some other trigger? Maybe.
 
@Jefery No, that's absolutely not what happened.
 
But there's always a cause for everything.
 
There were a lot of things that were bad with the whole situation.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha But that's because it's full of mods who talk about moddy things, which doesn't attract trolls posting shit like "women like rape" and such. And if they do, those messages are deleted and they are banned even before you can blink an eye.
 
You being at the top.
 
12:07 PM
The trigger was just that, a trigger.
 
The fact that things were fragile anyway is irrelevant
If no trigger is presented, fragile situations can just go away.
 
@Jefery No, it isn't.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha Show me chapter and verse, or stop saying that.
 
@Jefery The only cause for your existence is your m having s with your d. You should be ashamed of yourself and your entire family tree!
 
sbi
@fredoverflow Yes. Merkins. Sigh.
 
12:08 PM
@Jefery Like Chernobyl?
 
Things being "fragile" is the difference between "right, sorry" and what we've seen yesterday.
 
Jerry did nothing wrong.
 
Except that in our situations it's more like "Russia" randomly dropping nukes on some NATO country and when asked "What the fuck?" they replied with even more bombs.
And then wondering why everybody hates Russia and were to heated about it.
 
He's like the Lounge Gandhi.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha Like moderators storming in, misunderstanding a complete un-misogynistic statement, making people angry I haven't seen angry in a decade or two, and then banning users and locking down the room?
 
12:09 PM
@Jefery Aren't you exaggerating a bit?
 
@fredoverflow Well, no. Damage was dealt only from moderators.
People got banned, messages were removed, rooms were frozen and threats were handed.
 
Xeo
@sbi Madara wasn't involved in that first part - and the room was "locked down" for just two minutes so he could get a word in.
 
@Jefery Let's get this straight
 
We were simply increasingly astonished all the way to the meta post.
 
"People got banned"
The only "lasting" ban was by a user who basically told a mod to fuck off.
 
12:10 PM
The eye of the shitstorm were the moderators yesterday, not what Jerry said. Had you handled it properly, we wouldn't have this drama raging. And isn't it over now? What are you trying to accomplish here?
 
The other ban was me issuing one to one trolling user, for 30 minutes
The other was by flags.
 
And you don't understand why heated by the situation a user told someone to fuck off?
 
"Locking down the room", it was absolutely impossible to have any sort of discussion.
So I froze the room for two minutes
 
sbi
@Xeo I have fixed the "you", this could be misunderstood. I know the lockdown was temporarily.
 
To be able to put a couple sentences together without the full height of a screen in between
 
12:12 PM
@MadaraUchiha So basically "shutting everybody off"?
 
It wasn't a "you were bad, no room for you" timeout
It was a "shut up for a second and listen" timeout.
 
That's how you handle a riot?
 
You misunderstood the nature of the flagged message and you blew things out of proportion. The sentence you should've written was simply "Sorry, our bad."
 
You silence everybody for 2 minutes?
 
@Jefery If needs be, yes.
 
12:12 PM
As if heat doesn't build up in 2 minutes
 
And if it's not enough, for more.
 
lol
 
You seem to misunderstand my intention.
Defusing the situation is best. But if that's not possible, moderating takes priority.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha As I said – a user I know since Usenet in the 90s or early 2000s, and who's never ever even been in a heated discussion. That alone paints the way the mods "handled" this in a very bad light, no matter how you look at it.
 
12:13 PM
I don't care about your intention here. I just care about your logic and moderation abilities.
Which don't seem very good.
Replying to aggressive with more aggressiveness is never good.
I hope you learned that lesson.
 
@Jefery Many people on meta seem to disagree with you.
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha KIDS, STOP SAYING I WAS WRONG, SO I CAN PUT AN ARGUMENT IN. Weak, that.
 
@Jefery I will admit that it is a lesson I've learned, among other things.
 
At the very least, you should've inspected the user that made the message. You know, it only takes a click. What sbi says. He has "no priors" and his message was totally not even wrong. It's Jerry Coffin, your argument is invalid.
 
12:14 PM
@MadaraUchiha That's very irrelevant
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha You do know that "moderating" has something to do with being "moderate", do you?
 
Facts were presented the wrong way on Meta and people default to "OMG I love mods" and "Lounge is the Devil" anyway
 
@ElimGarak A 30-60 minute ban isn't even a slap on the wrist.
Usually when mods issue manual bans, it's 24 hours or more.
The reaction was uncalled for
 
@MadaraUchiha 30-60 hours lel
 
@Jefery That's funny because the facts were presented in a very one-sided way for the Lounge.
 
12:16 PM
And so the user was suspended on main.
 
@MadaraUchiha I think you're fine, other than disagreeing with what makes something inappropriate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It basically doesn't matter. If you give the idea that you are from the Lounge you just get destroyed.
 
Is there a reason this is perpetuating 13 hours later?
 
Wow, it's still going on :o
 
@MadaraUchiha Will Cosh's ban be lifted?
 
12:17 PM
@ElimGarak Because it's serious and people care.
@Jefery Why would it? I don't think it was unwarranted.
 
Well, it was serious yesterday. Suspensions were dealt and it is done now, right? Or are there still lingering issues?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes IMHO the cause of all this is mods overreacting to a message, so everything that come down from there is just reaction to that.
 
@BoltClock you claim to be a unicorn, but I see a pony in your avatar instead, hornless imposter!
 
It was clearly a heated response that was handled rightly so with a 30 minutes ban.
That should have been it.
 
sbi
Let's frame this:
3 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
The reaction was uncalled for
 
12:19 PM
A week of suspension is uncalled for.
 
It started with the mods, not Jerry. The whole thing could've been resoloved in 5 minutes and it would be business as usual. But power trips are fun. Wars and testing some new mods and stuff.
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@ElimGarak Isn't it obvious? You complain it's still going on, so... what do you think?
 
Well, can we talk about... Clang 3.7 with MS CodeGen? :D
 
@Jefery I Probably not.
 
That... doesn't seem English
 
12:21 PM
That's because you're Italian, it's perfect Engrish
 
What does it mean?
 
@ElimGarak Not really.
None of the new mods were involved in the initial incident.
 
I liked CLang until I came to know that Apple made it.
 
We only handled the aftermath.
 
"handled"
 
12:23 PM
(And basically took all the fire :D)
 
Yeah, this is the aftermath, Madara. 13 hours later. Yesterday was a raging storm.
 
@Jefery Yes, handled. Perhaps not to your liking.
And I accept any constructive criticism (like "don't handle aggression with aggression",that's constructive)
 
@MadaraUchiha covering fire?
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha You mean the fire you ("moderators") started?
Seem fitting in its way.
 
I don't get how who started it is important.
Especially not when most everyone agrees both parties overreacted.
 
12:27 PM
^ That.
 
If a fight ensues, who threw the first punch matters
 
Guys, it's a cultural thing. Stack overflow is an American company, and Americans are offended by sex. Simply don't discuss sex on stack overflow, and everything is going to be okay.
PS nuke the terrorists
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That's what end up in court
 
No, it's not.
 
I'm getting bored with all the drama. See you in a few days ._____.
 
This room was basically provoked yesterday.
@Morwenn Maybe
 
sorry it was mandatory
 
Lets just all love each other <3 <3 :)
 
@Morwenn I'll miss you <3
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha Well, one party's job is to moderate the other party. And it has power over the other party. So if both overreact, then that party is certainly more guilty and more to blame. /cc @R.Martinho
 
12:29 PM
I'll come back when sex is on-topic again.
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@Morwenn oh bby <3
 
@sbi Moderators are people too, you know.
Just a reminder.
 
@TonyTheLion But you can't love people too much or it'll get controversial
 
@sbi vOv, that justifies neither's actions.
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
12:30 PM
@BoltClock hehe :)
 
@fredoverflow not all of us
 
I'm sorry mama, I never meant to make you cry....
^ seems appropriate
 
I like how older mods are just laughing at this :P
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha I know. That doesn't shield them from the obligation to do better, though. Nor prevent them from being told they're wrong.
 
@MadaraUchiha Moderators are slightly overpowered people that took the responsibility of the action they take with those powers.
 
12:31 PM
I think we should just appoint BoltClock as the Lounge ambassador and be done with it.
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^^^^ this
 
I really want to understand the culture of the room better
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not justifying harsh reactions from the side of the loungers. It's just that when you officially have the batons, then you are required to react moderately to unreasonable behavior of the other party.
 
So I'll be hanging around here more than I usually do, if that's not too much trouble :)
 
Its no trouble at all, I still love you <3
 
12:33 PM
I still don't
 
@MadaraUchiha Oneboxed gifs (except for the two official ones) will get you invited to the bin. Links to Rebecca Black's Friday get you stars, almost as many as mentions of penises do. That's more or less all of it.
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The official one is naturally Bjarne the Sparky.
 
Xeo
Sparklestrup
and THE GIF
 
And Lippert
 
Xeo
no
 
12:36 PM
Jun 17 at 8:37, by BoltClock
user image
what @R.MartinhoFernandes said
 
Xeo
Also, wtf. I just got a package from Amazon. Opened it to find some padding paper and... another, smaller package from Amazon inside.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sparklestrup, pls.
 
Also, don't be a help vampire.
 
wub wub wub
 
12:37 PM
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A: Request for community attention on a moderator's behavior

Bartek Banachewicz What's wrong about rape culture though? It's one of the most important agro industries. Imagine this gets flagged. You know what differentiates a regex-based profanity filter from a moderator when handling this case? The ability to look at the context of the message and assess whether the po...

 
Seriously
 
@BoltClock totes
 
That's a terrible example, Bartek.
 
we just settled down
 
@MadaraUchiha Oh, right, and make sure you ask noobs if they're Cicada.
 
12:39 PM
hi
 
hi :)
 
Sounds like you're having fun here
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good advice
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sorry to break it to you
 
@TonyTheLion dat message
 
12:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wanted to put attention to "words only have a meaning in context" really.
 
@jalf more fun than you can possibly imagine :)
 
C# has actually the smallest number

C#

General discussions about the c# language, Squirrels | gist.gi...
 
> the smallest one currently used on SO chat.
lol
 

Python

Room rules: sopython.com/chatroom Code formatting guide: tinyu...
Python actually
 
Chat sandbox has the smallest number :p
 
You guys all have small ones
 
@Madara See? ^
 
> Problems with chat? Let us know...
> This room is frozen; new messages cannot be added.
How ironic
 
@Jefery fixed, thanks
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Jefery
Python actually
 
12:42 PM
Can we please now get back to Loungey fun times. I miss @AndyProwl
 
@Xeo He didn't mention other rooms
 
Xeo
Also, yeah, Sandbox
 
@Xeo I just removed the notion of us being the lowest #
 
I've always seen penises in the starboard. Possibly every variation of the word either implied or explicitly mentioned with lots of derived works on the theme.
 
there we go with the flags
brb gonna flag something in the PHP room
 
Xeo
12:43 PM
@Dean Maybe you should get your eyes checked. I don't think seeing penises everywhere is healthy.
 
There are seldom penises on the starboard. It's just that the guilty mind sees incriminating stuff everywhere.
 
Try s/ambassador/penis/
 
@Xeo lol
 
some days I want to flag something for shits and giggles but then I remember I'm a mod and it'd result in an insta-ban and all hell would surely break loose
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@ElimGarak Damn I missed moar drama
dafuq happened again?
 
12:44 PM
@BoltClock I did that a couple of times
 
This is what it truly means to be moderate :'(
 
It's the "aftermath" now.
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl Door. AMA
 
@AndyProwl storm i ett vattenglas
 
@BoltClock I'll do it for you, just leave me a message
 
12:44 PM
One time LRiO went batshit crazy and left the room and never returned
 
@JohanLarsson last episode I've seen was Jerry been suspended for a joke
 
good riddance
 
I don't flag, I star ... when people say stupid things. But people say stupid things all the times.
 
@MadaraUchiha All I ask is you not cast Infinite Tsukuyomi. Otherwise you're welcome.
 
And now he is in his own room talking to himself
 
12:45 PM
(also no spoilers, I'm not done with the show :P)
 
Which makes me feel guilty a lot
I've ruined a man's life :C
 
@Xeo huh?
 
@Jefery I'm pretty sure his life is not ruined
 
@Jefery That's why I wreck you on Hearthstone, that's Karma :p
 
@AndyProwl about as much as I can say, have only read a very small % of this depressing transcript.
 
Xeo
12:45 PM
@AndyProwl nvm. Was a pun on the pronunciation of "moar drama", with a few letters flipped.
 
If your life is only SO chat, then I'm sorry about you. Sadly we are Loungers :(
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@AndyProwl I'll summarize it for you: here
 
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Mr.kbok Mod got upset about otherwise ok message from Jerry that used "fuck" as synonym for "fuck" "having sex". thecosh reacted to that like an ass, got suspended, everyone got upset.
 
@Xeo ooh, today I'm too dumb to ever get that
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
so basically a mess out of nothing again
 
I need to write a group by sql query. please halp
 
12:46 PM
Oh still haven't moved on? :(
 
amazing, isn't it?
 
@TonyTheLion stuff GROUP BY something
 
grope by
 
@Dean thanks much
 
I want to be the next Scott Meyers, but I never understood what a rvalue is
 
12:48 PM
wow still talking about the blow up eh
 
@Rerito lol
 
@TonyTheLion Hi, I'm Jefffrey from the Professional Lounge Helpdesk, how may I help you in this professional morning?
 
@Jefery well I'm trying to construct a query which has MAX function in it, and it somehow needs a group by or something
 
They are telling me mentioning mornings is off topic and offensive to those chatting during the night. I'm sorry.
 
12:52 PM
its not happy just doing select * from x join x on y = x.y where x.date = MAX(20150101)
have I told you I'm not good at SQL?
 
Well, the problem is that the selected fields need to either be MAX, AVG and other or in the group by clause.
 
@Dean it's a value... on the right
 
@Jefery heh I think I'm solving this wrong
 
damn, github is the new kickstarter.. supercool projects that are actually crappy code presented in a supercool way. I can't remember the last time I found something that actually works well on github
 
@TonyTheLion select * from lounge where likes_red_pandas == true
 
12:53 PM
@Borgleader <3
 
not valid SQL and I dont care <3
 
I want to find all records where the latest date is some given date
 
I should write a Chrome-Github-Filter - removes the following words from a github repository description: "efficient" "performance" "compile-time" "fast
 
Group by max date and limit to 1?
 
For what it's worth, I think StackOverflow and Madara are mostly right. I feel solidarity for this room - but still.
 
12:55 PM
@TonyTheLion To understand this, just imagine that the query is processed in this way: "from table where` condition" selects a bunch of homogeneous rows, "group by" groups said rows in different groups each of which will result in a single row in the final result, "select" performs the selection of grouped by fields or MAX, AVG functions on each group, "having ..." will filter those final rows.
@TonyTheLion Is the given that fixed?
 
@Jefery ah that makes sense
@Jefery yes
 
Something that can be expressed with a string literal?
 
well its in an int of the form yyyymmdd
 
That's... fairly bad. Where does that int come from?
 
@TonyTheLion ytmd format?
 
12:57 PM
Man, that whole thing sounds dumb
 
@Jefery just the way it was made, I didn't make this db, only trying to do something with it
 
@TonyTheLion Then you just need where date = <this int>
 
@fredoverflow you know, that is actually a valid point. Every culture was afraid of something.. and you can see that from their swear words
 
I wish schools would stop polluting github with their student assignments
 
@Prismatic YOU HAVE MY VOTE
 
12:59 PM
Adds so much noise to search results
 
Agregate functions! That's the name of MAX, AVG and others.
 
@Jefery += 'g'
 
@Prismatic yes and no, I wish they would segregate them into a github academic
but at the same time I do want students to learn source control
 

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