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5:00 PM
Looked like fucking constructor forwarding (to Head's cuntstructor) to me
 
Ven
my class is a subclass of some other random class, and the only thing it has is a virtual pure function... Where am I missing a vtable >.>. Ugh I'm so bad at C++...
 
@Morwenn How do you find the time to work on your projects?
 
@Rerito I'm unemployed.
 
Oh, ok :3
 
Ven
lol, qibuild clean && qibuild build fixed it.
 
5:08 PM
@Morwenn how does that go? Are you really picky or are the interviews not going as you'd like?
 
@Rerito It may be reassuring to know that I'm not that much into coding at home when I'm employed.
 
@vaultah ">My brevity is not a choice." - that makes me very curious
Hi
 
@sehe I'm picky and people seem to want me for my Python.
So... not that many opportunities.
 
It's good that you capitalized that word
 
Ven
@sehe I? that's the usual rule :>
 
5:10 PM
...
 
@Morwenn Well people want me for my C and more especially because I did my main internship in a company that hires a lot of consultants (read consulting firm meat)
 
@sehe nah, don't worry about it. My English isn't very good and I find it pretty hard to write long grammatically correct sentences.
 
You should hear them, trying to disguise their will to fuck me in a well-chosen wording. It's hilarious
 
of course, no one wants you for your D, because it's not popular enough.
 
@Rerito Three of my internships where in Python (as well as my first job). So, of course they don't want to waste that skill on Java/C#/PHP and prefer to wait. They don't have that many Python developers at hand :p
 
5:13 PM
@Morwenn omg r u Vlad
 
@Mr.kbok Except @GregorMcGregor. He at least sees its true potential
 
@Rerito Mr. Rerito, I would like to make passionate love in your rear. Please send your resume at rh@expert-consulting.com
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I don't even know that guy that much ._____.
 
@Mr.kbok That's the translated version I hear in my head when reading/listening to their blabbing
 
#define Nc 381443 //No. of rows
 
5:15 PM
I received a call not too long ago from a recruiting agency
 
screw ppl who do this
 
A client of theirs is interested in my profile
They can't tell me who is it, where is it, how much it's usually paid, when is it available, or which tech they use. But they would like me to send them an updated resume.
 
"Did you apply directly for X Corp? Yes. You know it could also be an interesting experience for you to be hired as our consultant at X Corp. And since 2 different services will handle your direct application and our file, it will not harm your chances to be hired directly by X Corp."
 
Ven
welp, now I know why my friend was so depressed yesterday: his GF got shot at le bataclan... holy shit..
 
that was the main template bs I got served like 4 times
 
5:17 PM
@Ven Man... :(
 
@Ven oh.
 
Ven
all our other friends got out ..
 
@Ven shit, is she okay?
 
@Ven I'm sorry.
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok she's dead
 
5:21 PM
@Ven are you ok?
 
Ven
myeah. I buried someone from my family last week already, sooooo... Fuck this month.
 
No instance for (Show (forall a. Show a => a))
@Ven wat? ^
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz SSCCE :P
 
Ven
5:24 PM
John Oliver's nice
 
^ this just in: else considered harmful...
 
@Ven shit man, I'm sorry for your friend.
 
user559633
Cute.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz AFAIK, you're not allowed to store stuff like that.
 
@Ramy have fun on your ban, jerk
 
5:27 PM
@Ven oh my god... im so sorry to hear that
 
@Ven fuck am I supposed to do with it
 
yeah.
 
What did just happen?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz idk. not sure.
 
5:28 PM
I missed the censored bit
 
user559633
@Rerito Don't worry about it. Just an idiot being an idiot.
 
That wouldn't be surprising then
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz try annotating print.
 
@tristan I second that statement. It was poor in taste, and I would flag the shit out of it again given the chance.
 
Ven
meh no, that doesn't do anything
 
5:30 PM
@Ven not helping
I mean storing is one issue
the lack of Show instance is another :O
main.cpp:5:10:
    Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: forall a. Show a => a
    In the instance declaration for `Show (forall a. Show a => a)'
yeah well was worth a try eh
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Q: Why don't impredicative types allow heterogenous lists?

Bartek BanachewiczI've a short example: {-# LANGUAGE RankNTypes #-} {-# LANGUAGE ImpredicativeTypes #-} main = do mapM_ print ([1 :: Int, "str", Just 5] :: [forall a. Show a => a]) This fails for two reasons (produces 4 errors, but 3 of them are the same for each element): No instance for (Show (forall a....

there we go
 
oh, the sun has risen :(
 
user406009
@edition It's OK. Don't worry. You can just stay inside like the rest of us.
 
user406009
And soon enough, it will be winter and the sun will be gone for a long time.
 
@Lalaland no, I haven't slept!
 
@edition Wait, where do you live? o.o
 
5:38 PM
@Borgleader New Zealand.
 
Oh damn
 
Intel has released the mask design of the 4004, the first CPU, as an .SVG file: http://www.4004.com/2015-news.html
omg
 
user406009
@fredoverflow Is it lazy? It can't be a true Haskell if it isn't lazy.
 
5:41 PM
@Lalaland haskell is strict these days
 
uh, my arms feel heavier
 
@BartekBanachewicz Get outta here! How do you implement doubly-linked lists in strict Haskell?
 
user406009
Staying up late is just borrowing happiness from the following day.
 
user406009
You always end up paying back, with insane interest.
 
@fredoverflow fuck DLL
 
5:45 PM
bye
 
user406009
@edition Have sweet dreams.
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz Why? What's wrong with them?
 
user406009
They serve a distinct purpose quite well.
 
user406009
In particular, their iterators are never invalidated.
 
> You're confusing impredicative types with existential types. Impredicative types allow you to put polymorphic values in a data structure, not arbitrary concrete ones. In other words [forall a. Num a => a] means that you have a list where each element works as any numeric type, so you can't put e.g. Int and Double in a list of type [forall a. Num a => a], but you can put something like 0 :: Num a => a in it. Impredicative types is not what you want here.
@Ven ^
this is what I've failed at noticing
herp derp
I've closed my Q as a duplicate of the other one
 
5:51 PM
@Lalaland Nothing is ever invalidated in Haskell.
 
I'm listening to DJ Okawari. It's so calming ._.
IIRC I have to thank @ThePhD for that. Not sure.
 
okawari is Japanese for a second serving
 
@Lalaland Not very useful
 
@Borgleader I do think so :p
 
6:03 PM
@Morwenn i didnt scroll far enough :(
 
hi
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow JVM is terrible at laziness.
 
can anybody explain me why my bubble sort program is not working? ideone.com/w4MCN6
 
user1804599
> Labour MP Keith Vaz would have “no problem” with reintroduction of UK blasphemy laws
 
user1804599
lol what a goddamn moron
 
6:10 PM
what are the UK blasphemy laws
 
user1804599
Say gods are butthats and go to jail.
 
we used to burn people at the stake for being the wrong brand of Christian
 
Look how far we have come!
 
oh hey goddamn was a pun
haha
 
@Rerito :D
 
Xeo
6:21 PM
So, it seems like @sbi just discovered the photoshopped Paris-bomber.
If I can trust the retweet flood on my timeline
 
static_if is dead, long live constexpr_if!
 
user1804599
@Xeo I wish you could filter Twitter lists by topic instead of just by author; then I could follow sbi.
 
> We will get something into the standard!
 
user1804599
Templates are fundamentally broken.
 
Your brain is fundamentally broken
 
user1804599
6:28 PM
Two-phase lookup must die. You need one-phase lookup, and the phase must be at definition time.
 
@Elyse o.O
 
user1804599
Fuck instantiation-time lookup.
 
user1804599
It's too late.
 
@melak47 Dear lord
 
@Elyse Too late it is. For such a change.
 
user1804599
6:30 PM
:'(
 
user1804599
the <center> cannot hold it is too late
 
The padawan c++ in general she hates, thinking one could.
 
Ell
Oh mayn Wensleydale is so good
 
Guys I'm in class hehe.
 
user1804599
Then you are not in C, since C has no class!
 
6:38 PM
@Nooble are you public
 
Nice
 
In the beginning, the Givers Of Data created the kernel and the C. And the C was without class and (void).
 
opaque typedef rejected :/
 
man i love my portable heater'
 
good to know your macbook is good for something after all :)
 
6:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz TEC-9?
 
@MartinJames lolwut
 
@melak47 Are you several days late or are you ready new things? :p
 
@Morwenn I guess I'm several days late :p
> noexcept is now part of the type system (N4533). I think that is a mistake, but I was voted down. People will find creative ways to misuse this, and I see few benefits.
 
Oh, you're reading Bjarne's trip report :p
 
so I can reopen my VC++ issue about fixing the stupid noexcept lambda to noexcept function pointer conversion :D
 
7:05 PM
@Morwenn sure
@Mysticial The function is supposedly 5 cycles
loop overhead is significant at that point
 
@Nooble Listen to your teacher! D:
 
@orlp Then unroll the hell out of it? :)
 
@Mysticial I tried, but I'm getting weird results =/
I feel like I'm memory bound on code size if I do that lol
 
@orlp Thanks. You'll end up somewhere in the credits :D
 
@orlp How is it weird?
 
7:18 PM
@Mysticial because depending on seemingly unimportant details I'm getting 3-12 cycles as result
 
Maybe they're aren't seemingly unimportant? :)
 
@Nooble Leave immediately!
 
4
Q: What's the difference between `abs` vs `fabs` in (c++)

Hazem AbdullahI checked the difference between abs and fabs on python here As I understand there are some difference regarding the speed and the passed types, but my question related to native c++ on V.S. Regarding the V.S. I tried the following on Visual Studio 2013 (v120): float f1= abs(-9.2); // f = 9.2 ...

I can't fabs to this!
 
@fredoverflow too German
 
Ven
meows, peeps
"windows update wasn't able to find updates for the last 30 days" i'm so sorry for disabling you, dear :'(
 
7:34 PM
30 days without Windows updates? Good look riding the trojan horse!
 
@Elyse I'm writing oo in f# :)
 
f#oo
 
type IDiffNode =
    inherit IDiff
    abstract member Diffs : IEnumerable<IDiff>
 
Ven
7:50 PM
@fredoverflow not microsoft's :p
@JohanLarsson keep your "this."s to yourself :P
 
Is there a STL function which can replace a range between two iterators with a set of elements. (same size as original range)
 
probably you can tweak transform to do that, but maybe a simple copy is enough?
 
@Jefery yes. That's what it should do.
 
@mash std::copy
 
thx @Jefery seems great
 
8:04 PM
New gig confirmed with my band /o/
 
@Ven it is nasty stuff :)
 
@Morwenn Gratz :)
 
There will also be an anti-vegan grindcore band apparently.
 
user406009
What even is "anti-vegan"?
 
@Morwenn Hahahahahahahahaha wat
anti-vegan grindcore
o.o
those two things are like... orthogonal concepts
(look at me trying to sound all fancy)
 
8:12 PM
@Borgleader except by an isomorphism
 
I don't know. The band is named "Paupiettes". I guess that it is a troll band.
 
woof woof cocksuckers
 
@Morwenn Well at least the name fits for an anti-vegan band (i still find it funny that that is a thing)
 
8:33 PM
Ugh, I need to redefine my mind to make things clearer.
 
user406009
Arg, some professors.
 
user406009
"You can solve this problem any way you want as long as you solve it my way."
 
Ven
@Morwenn Mode sans échec!
 
Hey, at least my solution is no more retarded than what I already had. I probably only realized my previous solution was retarded.
 
8:38 PM
Last week I did a project were the professor asked us to implement a getNeighbors() method (returning a collection). So far, so good.

Then, he asked that if the collection was empty, we returned null instead. (It was Java)
 
user406009
@VillasV Ah, another foolish person.
 
user406009
Just gotta last until graduation.
 
@sehe How did they manage to launch them to the wrong orbit? o_o
 
@sehe Something something silver linings
@Morwenn Human error? :D
 
Yes. Such is life. Because of that I had to check for nulls all over the place.

Maybe he is teaching us how to deal with stupid requests.
 
8:41 PM
@Morwenn I bet that's actually considerably easier than getting it in the correct orbit. Especially for GPS
 
user406009
@VillasV Or how to deal with stupid managers?
 
@VillasV It should take an output iterator instead. Or maybe a callback :)
@VillasV That is true.
 
user406009
One important thing I have learned as the semester has gone on is to stop calling people out on stupidity. Some people just don't care.
 
@sehe I guess so, but still.
 
user406009
When someone is in a position of power over you, you just have to accept.
 
user406009
8:43 PM
Which in retrospect, is actually a very valuable lesson to learn.
 
You might want to also accept. You "just have to" is overly dismissive/passive
 
@Lalaland the trick is to make the person think that he was the author of your better idea. It's better than doing the shitty way at least.
 
That's a neat trick, but it doesn't work on all people
 
user406009
@VillasV That takes skill.
 
@Lalaland yes, easier said than done
@Lalaland one thing that I usually try is even if I already had the better way before, I make it sound like I came up with it as an improvement upon the other solution. It is less effective but easier to convince.
I recommend the book "Soft Skills", it is fun to read
 
8:50 PM
> Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden
of course
 
user406009
I have had the book "How To Win Friends and Influence People" sitting on my shelf for a while.
 
user406009
I really need to read it.
 
I especially like how they encrypted their bleach purchases. I often encrypt my AK47s as well.
 
@sehe sure, IMO we should arrest Rinjdael guys, Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard Adleman
 
Hi
 
8:52 PM
Mine are encrypted as NX47 even during use. It's a bit more expensive, but you know
Terror demands the highest quality
 
Is it okey to ask for help in the chat rooms ?
 
@Ven That's no excuse!
@JozefM You can read the rules. TL;DR no it's not unless you can be sure it is (and you can't because you're new)
 
Ven
@sehe yer a bit slow maybe :p
 
I'm just diligent
 
"discussion should more or less revolve around the same topics you'd find at Stack Overflow "
 
8:55 PM
> discussion
Also, there won't be any need to parrot the rules back to us. We sorta kinda know them
 
So discussing a problem is fine :)
 
user406009
I thought the consensus was that asking questions was allowed, but you shouldn't expect any quality of answer.
 
Im not trying to be smart mate
 
@JozefM You can try
 
user406009
People may or may not ignore you as they please.
 
8:56 PM
@JozefM Just shoot then. You asked to ask. We're not trying to be smart either
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow that's actually the method invocation syntax of OCaml!
 
Cool then, when a parent forks, can It use the child to call methods ?
 
user406009
@JozefM Are you talking about unix fork()?
 
Yeah
 
user406009
The child and parent are two completely separate processes.
 
8:59 PM
Yeah I know that, but can the parent control the child ?
like child1.WaitP()
 
user406009
Yes, the parent has some level of control over the child.
 
user406009
There are various Unix functions you can use.
 
user406009
Like waitpid or kill.
 
Im kinda forced to use a "semaphor" system, I should create 3 processes, one that writes A, one B, one C, and it does this, except not in order, it writes : CBA
 
user406009
Sure, so what's your question?
 
9:02 PM
Ive got no idea how I should resolve this issue, and im feeling frustrated
 
I guess that's the reason MPI exists. If you want to sync, you need some signaling between them. Maybe a variable in a shared memory.
 
Yeah I have to use signals
 
user406009
You can use the kill function to send signals.
 
Any good youtube tut u guys now about ? ive spent 3 hrs getting nothing done :(
the kill function wouldnt do any good in my case
 
@JozefM use an interprocess semaphore (or emulate using (mutex+condition_variable+count))
@JozefM YT is good at not getting things done
 
9:06 PM
Thank you, ill stay up all night untill I get this right, just gotta calm down for now
 
@JozefM kill sends signals. Sure this can help you (but I agree this is too lowlevel, likely). Don't dismiss things before even hitting the man page: pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/kill.html
 
So, apparently, some celeb messed up pray for play, #playforparis and the Internet got upset. I wonder how the internet would react to #sprayParisWithAK47.
 
I find this phrase a true piece of art in terms of naming/documentation
`kill - send a signal to a process or a group of processes`
 
@ElimGarak Already been done
@VillasV Yeah the standards group really are really killing it with the naming
 
Just built LLVM/clang from source on Centos. I have 91 unexpected failures in the test suite.
I shouldn't just ignore them, right?
 
9:10 PM
No. Ignore them left
 
The documentation doesn't really say anything about how to fix the tests, or even start figuring out how to fix the tests.
 
@sehe killed me
 
@caps If only they used pull requests
 
@sehe You mail in patches, which I guess is somewhat equivalent
 
I made a joek
 
Ven
9:13 PM
this life is strange game is pretty great.
 
so did I, mailing in patches is silly
 
Is there a name for a programming language that is based on messages only?
To clarify:
 
@sehe You're saying I should make a pull request?
 
I don't know if anybody was that stupid.
but then again, Swift, Java and PHP all exist, so
 
This PL would only allow "trigger like" reaction procedures that take the message as input, produce some side effect and eventually sends other messages.
So you would start with a message that identifies the start of the program, and you would bind it to the main function or something.
Does this make sense
 
9:18 PM
5 mins ago, by sehe
I made a joek
 
hmm
I can't quite decide if that is either one of the worst ideas I have ever heard, or essentially just normal programming.
 
Fucking hell. Why is soooo hard to get Chrome to use MRU order for tab switching
 
Oh nevermind, I guess it's event-driven programming.
@Puppy Why is it bad?
 
@sehe We are the rules
 
@Jefery Because your definition contained the word "only" is a good rule of thumb.
 
@sehe I thought maybe you were being sarcastic.
 
can someone explain the cucumber?
 
@caps It was a sarcastic joke. Welcome to open source. Documentation in particular
 
@Puppy But why?
 
@sehe Ah, okay. So I'm on my own as far as figuring out what I should do next.
 
9:20 PM
@Jefery Well, let's see. For every possible task where this is not a good solution, you'll be constraining the programmer to write a bunch of bullshit for absolutely no good reason. That's a good start.
 
It's not clear to me if I should shrug my shoulders and say "Meh, 93 failures. Whatever" and carry on my merry way, or if I need to recompile with different settings, set clang aside as an option altogether or what
 
then let's say, how the fuck are you going to express even simple concepts like addition?
do you have like, you have to react to 1+1 and get an event there?
then let's furthermore say that events are extremely spaghetti and poorly structured at best and really ill-suited for the infinite majority of tasks.
 
right
 
The test suite is entirely optional, so maybe it's expected that you'll get some failures?
 
9:22 PM
then let's furthermore say how the fuck could you ever interact with functions written in any other language.
 
I'm not understanding this. are sala-fisten bad or are they good?
 
and then we'll close off by saying that normal languages can do events to your heart's content so there's no reason to arbitrarily lock yourself into them.
 
@ElimGarak snaek
@caps I'd google the particular message/testcases
@caps you were the one calling them unexpected
 
@caps maybe those failed tests were just extra credits
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ I think they're generally considered the worse kind
ICBWT
 
9:25 PM
> Simply for reasons of national security
 
@sehe The test suite was calling them unexpected
 
It is so simple.
 
How to tuck socks?
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol this reminds me of a Canadian show
Murdoch Mysteries
 
@caps In that case, you are expected to assume they are
 
9:26 PM
There are episodes where there's a guy who uses that excuse for everything.
It's an in-joke at this point I guess.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Clearly, allowing 25,000 refugees into a country of 35,000,000 is just unacceptable.
 
@Puppy Well, you know, there might be terrorists hidden in there somewhere.
Better not take any chances
 
@EtiennedeMartel Clearly, the French got what was coming to them, helping all those refugees and all
 
I also made a picture for paris, imitating their blue/red flags
perhaps you like it
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ wth
 
9:28 PM
@VillasV it's the france flag with litb in the center
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ lol
 
@AlexM. Yeah.
 
> I can promise you the government is behind it all, and then behind the government is the bankers.. They are raping us. The truth is to be felt my friend the logical mind wont comprehend.
Let me tell you, it doesn't make any more sense in context.
 
meh
> They are raping us
well aren't they already anyway
laffo
 
I have a hard time trying to decide how I want some parts of my library to do.
Why is library design so hard? ç___ç
 
9:36 PM
choices, choices
@Morwenn library design is hard, let's go shopping instead
 
I'm unemployed. It's not the best time to go shopping :p
 
@Morwenn Unemployed? In France? How is that even possible?
Huehuehuehue
(We're hiring)
(wink wink)
 
Fuck, my concepts aren't satisfying themselves.
@EtiennedeMartel Too bad you're not hiring in Brest.
 
Dirty concepts.
 
Ok, my sentence didn't mean anything. I just realized that some of my sorters didn't satisfy the Sorter concept.
 
9:42 PM
@Morwenn buy them some dirty mags...
 
@Morwenn He's in Montreal, that's even better :)
 
@Borgleader Nope, because it's not Brest.
I already had job offers in Paris, Bruxelles, London and Dublin and declined them all.
New-York too.
 
@Morwenn inb4 Brest is the best
 
@Borgleader Only for people who were born there :p
Truly, the city isn't really beautiful, the weather is mostly shitty, etc...
 
user1804599
Hedgewars is fun.
 
9:51 PM
@Morwenn WHOA
That's like the best city, I've heard.
 
Kraków best city
 
@Morwenn Because your face
 
@Morwenn making decisions is hard
 
@Prismatic You know what else is hard?
 
9:55 PM
not making jokes about hard things
4
 
Your mother's cock is, duh
 
I also happen to be aware that diamond is rather hard.
as is steel.
 
@Prismatic HOW TO MAKE JOKE
 
@Puppy I dunno, steel is pretty easy to scratch.
 
@Puppy This is offensive :(
 
9:58 PM
@Morwenn You know what else is offensive?
@Nooble's face
 
i just discovered.. if you rotate the word face twice, you get face again.
 
I was expecting « your face is offensive » right from the start. I'm a bit disappointed.
 
weird... is there a name for this?
 
@Morwenn Come to MTL, its winter half the year and the cold will preserve your face :P
 

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