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sbi
10:00 AM
@AndyProwl Your evolutionary baggage tells you that everybody not belonging to your tribe is bad, a competitor for rare resources, and to be driven away mercilessly, or even just killed right away. Yet, you do not do this.
@GregorMcGregor Well, maybe with your feelings of megalomania?
 
@sbi I don't do this because I don't think it's right. Being it or not an evolutionary thing doesn't change that - and being aware of it being or not an evolutionary thing doesn't either.
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Ah, I see. You finally understood my point.
 
@GregorMcGregor I don't think so
 
@AndyProwl I regret
 
sbi
@AndyProwl What do you think why you think it's not right? (Note that you do not have to be aware of it personally. If the society you live in as a whole is aware of it, then this is enough, because morale is something thought up and enforced by a society.)
 
10:03 AM
@sbi I think we're drifting. If we aren't, sorry, I'm probably not clever enough.
 
sbi
@AndyProwl I don't know about you, but I am still trying too make the point I tried to make all the time. :)
> "We have a password manager? I haven't met him yet!" – LOL!
 
I'm lost about what the point is
What question are we answering?
 
sbi
> I'm all for one (potentially changing the pointee), but I'm growing the uncomfortable suspicion that doesn't work either. Not that I've tried, just rational thinking
 
It seems to me you're just all heated up when hearing about cheating
 
This is a pretty heated discussion for Monday morning, though.
 
sbi
10:05 AM
@AndyProwl Does it? Well, I am not.
 
Is the GSL recommended for production use?
 
@sbi Yeah, and with respect to that, knowing or not about the role played by evolution doesn't help me decide if monogamy 'works'
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Then I utterly failed to get my point across.
 
@developerbmw I'd wait a bit
 
10:07 AM
This is the C++ lounge so one would assume "Guideline Support Library" :)
 
@sbi github.com/Microsoft/GSL for future references
 
ok thanks @AndyProwl
 
@sbi Sorry about that
@developerbmw I mean, there are no production-ready tools yet that can work with it
 
sbi
@developerbmw Of course, Gnu Scientific Library sounds totally unlikely in a programmer's chatroom.
 
Ok true :) my bad
 
sbi
10:08 AM
Haha, I didn't know this has started to become a bit of a meme!
 
@sbi Yeah, starting from here
 
> I am primarily a Web Developer specialising in HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript and SQL. Experience with other technologies includes 3D rendering (Direct3D and OpenGL), OS development, and Linux systems.
Fluid transition.
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Ah, I see how you could get this impression. Well, I am all for saying things as they are. And if you open your relationship to someone else without prior agreement with your partner, and without your partner knowing, then this is considered cheating. That does not mean I think you're a bad person, and I wouldn't rule out I'd ever do this myself. It just means that I think you should be honest with yourself.
 
lol @ElimGarak
about time to rework my profile actually
 
@sbi I am. I just found your reaction too heated. I also gathered it might have been due to personal experience, and didn't react because I respect that.
 
10:13 AM
@ElimGarak With that resume, I could happily chat to him/her in a bar. There would be approx. 0 chance of talking shop.
 
In my opinion if my girlfriend was dating some other guy I would consider it cheating.
I don't really see how it could not be cheating.
 
Sure
I'm not saying it's not cheating
 
Oh.. is it sex/cheating day?
 
sbi
@AndyProwl TTBOMK (ha!), I was only ever cheated on once. That was about 25 years ago, and is thus certainly well past the time I could get heated up over it.
Well, not quite 25 years ago, now that I think about it. But well past 20 years ago.
 
lol, I wasn't a thing then.
 
10:15 AM
I hate cheaters. Sorry Andy, not really you I guess since you had decency to a degree.
But being cheated on is one of the most painful things I've experienced.
 
IIRC, I've been cheated on 4 times. Dropped 'em like an offer of a SQL contract.
 
@Rapptz I understand you. I hate it too. And if I talk honestly to myself, I really really don't feel good about having cheated (although it didn't involve sex). But also I broke up with my girlfriend immediately after, because I realized it made no sense to cheat on her - considering cheating means the relationship doesn't work.
 
I had the privilege of being cheated on once. She got all guilty over it and told me... And my exact response to her was: "Good for you, I guess."
 
Impossible, you don't speak English with your gf
Eliar Garak
 
@GregorMcGregor Native version. "Pa... Bravo za tebe?"
 
10:18 AM
Yep, that possibility has been elim inated
 
fixed me profile :P
 
@AndyProwl Yeah that's what I meant earlier. At least you had the decency to break up with her and not make it worse.
 
@developerbmw brainfuck?
 
do you actually want people contacting you for brainfuck jobs
 
10:19 AM
no
I don't want anyone contacting me for jobs off my SO profile
 
Eww, who wants people contacting them?
 
Ironically I now regret it and wish I hadn't done it, but I'm pretty sure if I'd go back to the same situation I'd do it again
 
plus knowing brainfuck isn't a bad thing
 
It's not a good thing either... So...
 
sbi
@AndyProwl But that's what i was trying to tell you: It does make sense from an evolutionary POV! Sigh.
 
10:20 AM
How is it not a good thing?
 
sbi
@ElimGarak Non-Aspis?
 
@ElimGarak I'm open to propositions if it's well paid.
7
 
How is being passionate about technology and programming not a good thing?
 
They never are, though.
 
@sbi But being aware of it doesn't help me. My relationship lacked passion and hormones weren't satisfied, ok, but knowing it's about evolution trying to spread my genes doesn't change things. Should I look elsewhere or not? How do I keep myself from being unhappy? Should I not be unhappy? Am I going to be able to not feel unhappy in the future, if this has to be a really long-term relationship? Knowing where my instincts come from is quite irrelevant
@Mr.kbok <insert coin in butt opening here>
@developerbmw Being passionate about things is in general a good thing, if you're asking me
Unless it involves crime and stuff
 
10:23 AM
My thoughts exactly
 
And obsession
 
I am passionate about avoiding people who use the word passionate in any capacity beyond ridicule. It is so icky.
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Well, IMO the question to be asked here is why your relationship lacked passion. Is it because you picked fell in love the wrong person? Then you should quit. Is it because "relationships do go stale over time"? Then jumping onto the next fuckable woman is unlikely to help you. (Also: "Knowing where my instincts come from is quite irrelevant." Now you're making my argument which you pretended you didn't understand.)
 
@ElimGarak lmao
 
10:26 AM
lol guys
 
sbi
Anyway, even though I took the day off this morning, there's things I need to do. Bye!
 
its 11:30pm here
 
@Mr.kbok Sup, bby, what are you passionate about? wink
 
@sbi Cheers
 
it's the year 2350, humans colonized the entirety of known space
youtube still doesn't let you search through your history
 
10:27 AM
@AlexM. Are they passionate about colonization?
 
Morning.
 
@AlexM. That's only available with security clearance level 7 and up.
 
Cool, I haven't done anything yet
Time to fix that
 
@AlexM. yep
@Morwenn mernin
 
Morwening
 
10:29 AM
Mowning
 
So, we've basically disseminated Andy's love life, what's next on the Monday agenda?
 
@ElimGarak For me, same as always. Fuckin' customers:(
 
@AlexM. Still no modules
 
@MartinJames Are they hot?
 
Lawn-morwing
 
10:32 AM
@ElimGarak Already? Damn
Also @R.MartinhoFernandes can we briefly talk about that mail I got?
 
@AndyProwl Only if I can get hold of an accelerant and matches.
 
@MartinJames Good luck with that
 
@AndyProwl it’s actually fairly easy, many shops carry those items
 
Good point
 
10:37 AM
I had forgotten about this great emoji shitpost:
I leave this for you guys to enjoy.
 
what's great about it?
 
We need to get Rapptz his girlfriend back before we drown in emojis. Maybe the emojis were the issue?
 
@AlexM. Everything.
 
k
 
@Rapptz its 2am for you isnt it?
 
10:38 AM
I'm not an expert in emojis so idgi :<
 
Needs that 'Everything has stopped working' screenshot from Tony
 
@ElimGarak Michelle doesn't know about my HD shitposting emoji collection.
@Borgleader 5:38 AM.
 
@Rapptz Thanks Obama.
 
I’m looking at the bugtracker for everything concepts-related and it’s very spooky
 
@Rapptz oh what... o.o
 
10:39 AM
I've been in EST for years.
 
did you not sleep yet or are you really early today?
 
He never sleeps
 
No and no.
It's become harder to sleep these days.
 
Sleeping is for wusses.
 
i was missing a not there :)
 
10:40 AM
I always have a sinking heart feeling constantly.
 
In fact I'd just sleep all the time
 
not that anyone really cares, but I'm usually here till 4AM NZST.
 
Feeling sucks.
 
Mood = not perceive life
 
@Rapptz drink hot chocolate
go meet friends
 
10:40 AM
@Rapptz Yeah, I know what thats like. Its been a (very) long time since it happened to me, but I know :(
 
After waking up I'm fine for like 5-10 seconds
then I start feeling anxious again
 
Moins tu dors plus t'es fort.
 
short breathing and stuff. Going to swim helps a bit
but I have to work
 
@GregorMcGregor lol
Drinking hot chocolate is a past activity of me and my gf.
 
edition's SO bio was brought to you by the Ministry of Tourism of New Zealand.
 
10:42 AM
@GregorMcGregor I had one with mint syrup last fri
great stuff but expensive :<
 
@Rapptz oops sorry for the trigger
 
I mean srsly it was as expensive as 1x pizza
 
@AlexM. DIY hot chocolate then
 
Alex reasons exclusively in terms of pizzas
 
irish cream cappuccino
 
10:42 AM
@GregorMcGregor That's kind of the issue. Everything reminds me of her. :v
 
"So how much is that mortgage exactly"? "178,000 pizzas sir"
 
iunno how Andy copes considering his lasted 1 year longer.
 
@GregorMcGregor lol
 
3 years and we've already done a lot of things and nothing is safe.
 
@Rapptz When down like this I hit the gym harder
 
10:43 AM
you’ll have to ditch everything you’ve ever done and do something entirely new, like playing Guild Wars 2
 
@Rerito poor gym what did it do
 
am I helping
 
@LucDanton Or Fallout 4
 
10:44 AM
Shitposting intensifies
 
I have a lot more of these than I'd like to admit.
 
that’s a yes
 
these all remind me of fallout for some reason
 
@ElimGarak not anymore.
 
10:45 AM
@Rapptz Not well
 
@Borgleader is it sfw?
 
@Rapptz don't you have friends?
 
it's 9gag so I'm scared a bit
 
@AlexM. yes
 
@Rapptz I totally understand
 
10:46 AM
Mine helped a lot after breakups (by making me going out and binge drink of course!)
 
Ven
ahoy
 
@Borgleader nope, but I first saw it on reddit
 
@AlexM. Friends aren't a silver bullet. Also I don't drink.
 
I once got to the hot page on 9gag, many years ago
 
@Rapptz But they're probably the second best thing you can get atm
Go out, talk to people, see people
 
10:47 AM
alrigh, time to go to work
 
Yeah, friends are the best thing for you atm, letting you know the world is still out there
 
@Rapptz you sure that was a reply for me
 
I don't even...
 
@AndyProwl yes
 
@AlexM. Too lazy to fix.
 
10:48 AM
@Andy what mail?
 
lel
 
@AndyProwl FWIW I already do. The problem is when I'm alone.
Or during random lapses.
 
@ElimGarak As I remember that was art
Ok peeps. Just dist-upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 - wish me luck across reboot
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. A guy wrote me an email saying he's a colleague of yours, and apparently CCed you
 
I can't find a new 4chan archive.
archive.moe is dead.
And the replacement doesn't have /vg/.
@GregorMcGregor help
 
Ven
10:49 AM
@Rapptz is there only archive.moe left nowadays?
 
@Rapptz Man I totally understand
 
Guys will like the style formatting google?
 
Especially evenings alone are hard as fuck
 
@Rapptz chanarchive?
 
10:50 AM
@Ven archive.moe is RIP
 
Ven
@Rapptz just fmi, why do you not drink?
 
Why would I?
 
It's haram
 
Ven
well, it's fun with friends vOv
 
> Lolol the CIA has created "ISIS" like they did alqaeda except alqaeda turned on them in the end but isis is still their bitch and if u are truly unaware of that by now please before attacking me watch some documentaries of what the cia is really capable of. Not stuff off CNN that is.
Yeah, guys, watch some fucking dokumentaryz.
 
10:52 AM
on animal planet
 
> [concept] template introduction with template template parameter and template parameter pack causes ICE
look at those things
 
Ven
@LucDanton link!
 
@Ven doesn’t matter, it’s fixed—google it if you have to
 
Ven
@LucDanton just wanted to see the repro test case
 
> In substitution of 'template<class ... X> requires predicate( C<X>...) void foo::bar […]
lol that diagnostic, the predicate() is made out of whole cloth
 
Ell
10:58 AM
@sehe good luck
 
So, a recap of Monday so far:
 
I guess it’s something internal that does the boolean conjunction when they could be presenting it as a fold expr?
 
Why is ISIS such an idiot, has offended basically everyone else on the face of earth? I mean how do we know that it has indeed committed such a horrifying crimes or maybe it has been blamed for something that it have not done?
 
I love how Telkitty phases in and out of reality with her statements.
 
11:00 AM
politics ... we all know how truthful that is
 
@ElimGarak recap of my mondays: why is it not friday
 
Rapptz & Andy <3
 
great soundcloud playlist @Mr.kbok
 
Ell
Someone write lounge<chat> and a mobile client pls
 
soundbutt
 
11:04 AM
I, like everyone else, strongly condemns the terrorist attacks. I think the terrorists are the worst kind of cowards human trash. But I could not, but also think ... what about those innocent civilians in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan who were killed in NATO attacks? Do they not worth sympathy?
 
Ell
Too much data cost
 
@ElimGarak <3 (fuck off)
 
@Ell Which device?
 
11:08 AM
@Mysticial I developed my sin approximation further
now with a minimax odd polynomial of 7th degree, the error is down to 9.39e-7
GCC is able to generated fused multiply/adds
 
Yes this is 2015
 
it seems to be running at ~5 cycles for a sin, also when inspecting using IACA
@Mysticial however, I have a though time eradicating noise, do you have any tips for benchmarking such small functions?
 
@AndyProwl oh. Haven't checked my email yet.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No hurry
 
you can eradicate noise with wax earplugs
 
11:14 AM
I look at the star board & loungers are mainly being the autistic bastards I know of <3 <3 reminds me why I love here so much <3 <3 <3
 
Ven
it's true you have bastard autism
 
@chmod666telkitty shut up telkitty.
5
 
my collection is inadequate
 
@Rapptz Wownloads?
 
It's called Korean locale.
 
11:17 AM
why are those shitposts though
I really don't get the meme
 
The \ turns into Won in Korean locale.
In JP locale it turns into a Yen.
@AlexM. cause you use them to shitpost obv
6:20 AM and bored.
 
@Rapptz would you like to help me with OpenGL/other low level programming?
 
Not really.
 
fair enough.
 
11:27 AM
data mining is priceless $
 
Rerunning with --telkitty-engrish
Nope. I'm out.
 
@chmod666telkitty Did you just show a bit of self derision?
 
But lounge has always been like that
 
this is like watching children hit each other, especially when telkitty throws a tantrum.
 
I am not throwing a tantrum, I am quite happy right now.
 
11:31 AM
@chmod666telkitty well behave like an adult then.
 
so I was in meeting with a couple of people, in a small room; fire alarm went off quickly, then a few minutes later, it went off again. Got back to desk to find that twenty minutes before hand, and email had been sent out saying that they would sound alarm to mark start and end of a minute silence for respect of Paris incidents :\
 
> All you need to know about Namespaces in C++ Programming (programtopia.net)
hype
 
iow, my work can't even sort out not working properly.
 
@edition Contact @набиячлэвэлиь, he's great at OpenGL and CG.
 
@Rapptz what gave it away?
@AndyProwl what do you want to know?
 
11:36 AM
@edition I think I know the lounge better than you do
 
I hate when there are stared messages that are at the tail end of long discussions; reading them in reverse is too confusing, and trying to find the start to read them in order is too much hassle.
 
Why do people only contribute to libraries I don't maintain anymore?
Everytime somebody does that, I feel like I have to clean some things in the library again.
 
@Morwenn it takes time for people to find them.
 
@chmod666telkitty More like how did they find them?
 
search engine(s) is my bet
When you are spending time on a library, you kind of expect people to contribute to them & sometimes they have not found it yet or do not need it at the time. Sometimes you spend 6 months on something & only 5 people contribute to it, then you move on & forget about it. Maybe in the next 2 years 10 people take interest in it after bump into it accidentally.
 
11:47 AM
I didn't think very far.
My ex-girlfriend actually replied. She asks me how I am. Issue is I'm not really sure what to say.
and also it's 7 AM
 
@chmod666telkitty What surprises me the most is that people took interest in a small library that wasn't even documented.
 
@Rapptz did you leave her, or her you?
 
latter
 
@Morwenn well, if you have made it, then surely you have thought it could be of some use to some people right?
 
@chmod666telkitty Not really, I make things for fun.
 
11:50 AM
@Rapptz ergh, it's hard thing to respond to. Maybe something like "Just taking it day by day", it's vague, shows you're not given up on her, but not that you are waiting around for her. Obviously, only if that's close to how you feel
 
well, sometimes fun things are downloaded more than useful things (from my humble experience)
 
I'm thinking of just asking "Do you want honesty?" but that feels like a very bad answer too
 
just tell her you love pizza now
 
How did you guys find the library of your life?
 
nobody in their right mind would blame you for that
 
Ven
11:52 AM
@Rapptz "do you want honest-D?"
 
The one to write I mean
 
@Rapptz yeah, sounds a bit 'passive agressive'
 
The one to dedicate your free time to
 
did she leave for someone else, or just because she felt with you wasn't good any more?
 
@Jefery I only find library I need at the time
 
Ven
11:52 AM
ETOOBIGOFAWEEABO
 
there is no library of ones life
 
@thecoshman she wants a break
 
@Rapptz the latter then :\
 
@Rapptz quick, give her the \r\n
 
@chmod666telkitty I mean the one you maintain.
 
11:53 AM
This question is hard. It's too much bait.
 
Like nonius for robot or the Lua one of Rapptz or ThePhd
 
Ven
@Rapptz just answer "doing ok"
 
but I'm not
 
@Jefery I only maintain a bunch of apps, I don't maintain libraries :p
 
maybe just say that you're missing her, which I presume you are.
 
Ven
11:54 AM
@Rapptz do you want her to know?
 
straight to the point eh
@Ven If I say I'm doing okay it has implications that I'm okay with the breakup (hint: I'm not)
 
"I'm managing, still I kinda miss you"
 
@Rapptz why not?
 
Ven
@Rapptz do you think she wants to go back on said breakup (as she said it "was a break"), or is she just checking on because she feels bad about it?
 
iunno it's actually kinda valid
 
11:56 AM
well, in my opinion, we can't give you good advice because we only know you, we don't know her
unless we know the situation, otherwise we can't give good advice
 
@Rapptz what is?
 
saying I miss you
I mean it's honest and not as terrible as beating myself up by saying I'm not doing so well.
 
you don't need to write an essay, and ask her how she is too.
 
Ven
"A bit lonely. You?"
 
@sehe Why?
 
11:59 AM
I've been having silly ideas, like chasing after mine in Liverpool, but...
Psychology says, you realize you love someone when you want them to be happy, even if it's not with you.
 
@Ven That sounds desperate
 
hey!
 

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