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Ven
2:00 PM
@Jefery this computer was reset'd 2 weeks ago
by $work
 
"You needn't confirm it with a video"
I love the "needn't" thing
 
@Ven :D I liked it. Also, I had to install s3cmd, the config, cheesecam, and vlc locally anyways. I'm just getting my desktop back in shape
 
@Ven What OS?
 
Ven
@Jefery os x el capitan
 
2 mins ago, by sehe
Win3.11 for workgroups?
Confirmed
 
2:01 PM
@Ven Yeah, it's fucked up
 
Ven
hey, I used win3.11 for workgroups back in the days :[. god it sucked
 
I'm running the same OS with a 2010 machine and the latest Chrome update and I could run the video no problem
 
@Ven hi, old guy
 
Ven
@Griwes nah, that was a computer someone in my family gave me because they needn't it at work
 
user1804599
> 13/11 never baguette
 
Ven
2:02 PM
@Jefery ^ is that correct usage?
 
didn't need :P
 
@Ven What's "that"?
 
Ven
@Jefery needn't
 
No, because it's in past tense.
 
@Ven now you write javascripts ... your work life must be as satisfactory as hell ;)
 
2:03 PM
@Ven Dunno
 
"Needn't" only makes sense in present tense.
 
4
Q: Are the expressions: "You needn't" and "You don't need to" different in meaning?

Mari-Lou AWhile doing some research on a comment I had read on ELL I read the following excerpt from a website called e.grammar You needn't listen to him. (You don't have to listen to him.) x You don't need to listen to him. (There is no need to listen.) These two sentences are different in the for...

 
> According to the ATSB investigation (PDF), two mishaps occurred "independently and inadvertently." First, when working out the plane's takeoff weight on a notepad, the captain forgot to carry the "1," resulting in an erroneous weight of 66,400kg rather than 76,400kg.
Second, the co-pilot made a "transposition error" when carrying out the same calculation on the Qantas on-board performance tool (OPT)—an iPad app for calculating takeoff speed, amongst other things. "Transposition error" is an investigatory euphemism for "he accidentally hit 6 on the keyboard rather than 7."
 
Ven
@chmod666telkitty oh yeah I wrote javasc... wait no. my work is c++, and I havn't written a line of javascript in months
 
I must say I find this hard to believe. It's soooo much more likely that the co-pilot had seen the numbers calculated by the pilot, before "independently" calculating his
 
Ell
2:04 PM
needn't = need not
 
@Ven Me too. Never in any professional capacity. NT4 it was
 
@Ven woah, amazing, moved from javascript to C++ in 2015, what a lovely life!
 
Yeah. @Ven needed "didn't need", and "need not" is definitely not the same.
 
Ell
boy gitlab is slow as heck :V
 
Now let's see if standby/resume work properly since reinstall
Bye
 
user1804599
2:06 PM
I want to be a sewer engineer.
 
user1804599
I want to design sewers.
 
Ven
@chmod666telkitty I never worked in a company where I had to write javascript :). and the last time I wrote some javascript was in 2013, according to github.
Maybe you should stop doing drugs? I could actually understand what you say more than once every dark moon.
 
@Ven stop here
It's useless
She feeds on the vital energy you put replying to her
She's the female Kel'Thuzad of SO
4
 
Ven
@chmod666telkitty Incredible. It's like the coffeescript/livescript questions have the javascript tag as well, and that's where I'm answering, since, uh, I'm contributors on both these languages.
 
user406009
2:10 PM
@GregorMcGregor Cicada is clearly John Galt.
 
user1804599
 
Ven
@chmod666telkitty also, if you had actually clicked on said link, you'd have seen "'13"(hint: means 2013) all over the place. Which, hey, is what I said before! w00t.
 
I don't understand ... your mainly use C++ for work, yet you mainly reply questions about javascripts on Stackoverflow
 
user406009
@chmod666telkitty The JavaScript questions are easier to answer.
 
Ven
do you not understand the notion of time? okay. then read up on that first, then we'll discuss.
 
user406009
2:14 PM
It's a much smaller programming language.
 
maybe I should study maths papers.
 
Ven
@Lalaland probably, but really, I just didn't speak C++ circa 2013
 
14 mins ago, by Ven
hey, I used win3.11 for workgroups back in the days :[. god it sucked
you didn't not speak C++ circa 2013, yet you used win3.11 back in the days
please explain?
 
Ven
sure I can. can you read?
14 mins ago, by Ven
@Griwes nah, that was a computer someone in my family gave me because they needn't it at work
 
@Ven may I ask you what do you work on with C++?
 
2:19 PM
As long as you are agitated, as long as you are agitated, then my work is done. Payback time ... since you provoked me first ... ^_^
 
@chmod666telkitty Is this a song?
 
Lol, I wish ...
 
@wilx It's telkitty
 
trolkitty
 
user1804599
telshitty
 
2:23 PM
@chmod666telkitty So you're back to your trolling antics, huh?
 
Ell
uh oh
a storm is brewin'
 
don't worry this ship is safe
it has survived so many storms
 
user406009
@AndyProwl But, sometimes people fall off the ship during those storms.
 
@Lalaland True. Well, cells die but the organism stays alive :P
 
Wow, some non-cpp related metaphors
 
2:27 PM
We're rarely talking cpp here
 
> error: cannot call function 'void bar(foo<X ...>) requires predicate(#'unary_right_fold_expr' not supported by expression#) [with X = {int}]'
 
very clear
 
there are bugs in fold expressions that make the bugs in concepts more interesting. maybe, it’s hard to tell
 
yo dawg
I should answer some questions on SO
I haven't done that in ages
wait
no that's not true, last answer was a month ago
 
ITT a month = 1 age
 
Ven
2:36 PM
@VillasV some json service
@chmod666telkitty "I'm wrong, so I'll pretend I was trolling" oh yeah, it's 2003 all over again
@LucDanton you provided a unary_elyse_expr instead
 
user1804599
Fold expressions are an abomination.
 
Ven
yeah, they should have written a type lambda reduce
 
@Ven you guys have a long history together
when are you gonna get married
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok what? no we don't. I think that's the first time I actually answered her
 
user1804599
I want to make a video game.
 
Ven
2:41 PM
go ahead! the world is yours! use go!
 
> go ahead
I see what you did there
 
Ven
@VillasV do you do movember?
 
oh I get the error, it’s actually meant to be 'not suppored by dump_expr', not sure why the message above gets it wrong. i.e. GCC does not know how to put fold exprs in diagnostics some of the time apparently
 
user1804599
I don't know which programming language to use for the video game.
 
Ven
@Elyse go!
 
2:45 PM
@Elyse C++ + Lua or Python
 
user1804599
@VermillionAzure Why the fuck would I use terrible programming languages?
 
Ven
btw, @Elyse, how far along are you in the book you said you'd read?
 
user1804599
@Ven not at all
 
@Elyse zsh
 
Ven
you canceled that project as well?
 
user1804599
2:46 PM
:D
 
@Elyse Then are you gonna do java then?
 
user1804599
@Ven absolutely
 
yup folding myself makes everything alright
 
are you guys programming extremists?
 
Ven
@VermillionAzure I remember @Elyse writing a lisp in java. it had final everywhere.
@Dean extremists?!
 
user1804599
2:47 PM
@VermillionAzure No, probably something sane, like Haskell.
 
user1804599
@Dean Yes, I kill people who aren't programmers.
 
@Elyse you better page bartek
@Dean mb
 
Apparently resume works fine
 
there's a guy in my team who doesn't want to upgrade VS (gui only) because VAX
 
Ven
@VillasV did you erase that mustache?
 
user1804599
2:49 PM
@Mr.kbok What is VAX?
 
@Ven Yep, doing movember this year again, although this pic is almost 5 years old
 
@Elyse Visual Assist X
 
how do I disable vim's bullshit recovery system
 
IOW Vteaming Aile of Xhit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes either she sensed the rhetorical nature of your question, or she sensed the nature of your boot?
 
2:51 PM
oh, it's :set noswapfile
 
@milleniumbug se noswapfile or vim -n
 
thanks
 
Ven
which reminds me I havn't found a way for Projectile (emacs file finder, similar to sublime's C-p) to ignore such files. It's really annoying...
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah. It's of the generation of IDE tools that focuses on compiler-generating cruft, I feel
 
Actually, it probably got better but we have a very old version
 
2:52 PM
@Ven how does it not have a file name filter?
@Mr.kbok I tried it in late 2013
 
@sehe My concern is more of performance and stability.
 
The R#/C++ EAP was almost immediately better
 
user1804599
Yesterday I had to cheat in Fallout 4 because I quicksaved just before I died, so I couldn't do anything after continuing as I'd instantly die.
 
@Elyse Yeah, quicksaves should alternate
 
Ven
@Elyse should have rolled back to an older save
 
user1804599
2:53 PM
@Ven Overwritten.
 
@Elyse Should have just started over
 
Ven
@sehe it does, but it appears not to work with relative paths. I don't understand why. I tried what's in the README, but to no avail :\
 
user1804599
lol
 
I don't have the new xbox so I just continue playing F3
:3
 
user1804599
Backtick, killall command, win.
 
Ven
2:54 PM
cheater.
 
The C++ wrapper for tidylib is giving me build errors :/ I have the feeling that I won't get this to work in less than 5 hours
 
You suck
 
@Mr.kbok Or simply just make new ones every time.
 
(lounge-style stock answer)
@VillasV What compiler? What lib?
 
I don't get why quicksaves need to be special. The only important thing about them is that you can create one with a single keypress. There's no need for special management; just give me the shortcut key.
0-1-∞ rule.
 
2:58 PM
@sehe html tidy library (tidylib). I built it successfully and now I'm trying the C++ wrapper
 
I mean, the link
I can google
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes like how it works in skyrim, bioshock and other games like that?
 
But I can't choose from the dozen competing code.google/sf.net/github repos
Also, which compiler
 
@Ven Think so, yeah.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I assumed saves were very big, hence rotating, but yeah, it's pretty much the same
 
Ven
3:00 PM
I know my skyrim quicksaves all take a few mb, tho (4-5mb each).
 
Argh XBox1 controller reports triggers to be -1 at rest
 
@CatPlusPlus controller values be crazy
 
I play Skyrim in a self-imposed kind-of-hardcore-mode so I don't remember how quicksaves work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you always walk :3
 
3:01 PM
YES
Or ride.
But no fast travel.
 
It's almost the same
 
@sehe I'm using VS C++ compiler, without CLR support
 
It's one of my favourite parts of game, to be honest.
Yes, I'm weird.
 
I used to play in a no player-fast-travel, but still used the paid fast travel
 
@Mr.kbok Oh, yeah, I use that occasionally.
 
3:03 PM
I’ve spent too much time crawling around in real-time in Operation Flashpoint/ARMA to judge
 
If I'm "in a hurry".
 
I think FT ruins the game too
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes same here. only walk, run and ride.
 
@VillasV wokay. MSVC I was guessing something else. Good luck :( Post on Stack Overflow if you're stuck, perhaps
 
Also the game relies on you walking around and sleeping for special events to happen
 
3:04 PM
@Mr.kbok I have trouble explaining exactly why, but that's how I feel.
 
I felt FT was piggybacked late on the game to lower difficulty. AFAIR the earlier games didn't have it.
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes 1) because a big part of the game is exploration 2) because you don't encounter dragons that way 3) because all the fun events don't happen
 
Dunno, all the random dragons get a big boring after a while.
 
@sehe I'm getting stuff like "cannot convert from 'int (__cdecl *)(ulong) to TidyGetByteFunc'" (which is into *(void)) and similar pointer conversion issues all over the place.
 
The travel gameplay is really great, like how you can outrun most overpowered creatures (many games don't allow you to do this), or encounter random quests/useless NPC or natural crafting resources
 
3:08 PM
@VillasV extern "C" { #include <the_c_api.h> } etc.
 
@sehe but it doesn't look like its MSVC's fault. There are some nasty pointer conversions here. There is a cast from ulong to void* (??)
 
@VillasV if it's reinterpret it could work. I mean, it's probably tested with some compilers? Which ones?
 
Ven
@Mr.kbok if only the horse wasn't running away so often... sigh
 
@Mr.kbok And all the environment is carefully crafted, so it doesn't feel like you're just going through the same forests/mountains/whatever over and over.
 
Why would anyone do this? Why the ulong cast?
`
void* sourceData;
sourceData = (ulong) this;
`
 
3:11 PM
And if you travel the same path several times, it's really cool to have that feeling of familiarity.
 
@VillasV this... shouldn't compile
 
@VillasV The real question is why at those two statements as opposed to only 1?
 
@milleniumbug it's a C-style cast, it will usually compile :X
 
And the answer would be: we are in the presence of a C programmer recently converted to C++ which tries to fit C idioms in C++ ones.
 
@Jefery they are far from each other, I just copy pasted the first one too to make it clearer :-V
 
3:13 PM
And when you go to some new city you spend time on it even if you have to go somewhere for a quest because you don't want to travel there and back again.
It's awesome.
 
@VillasV Same question
 
@Griwes Yes, cast to ulong probably will succeed, but assignment to void* should fail
...wait, it's C
even there, the random integer to pointer assignments should fail
 
@Jefery Well, the elaborate answer is even worse: sourceData is a global variable that is set in someone's constructor.
 
Ven
@milleniumbug well, then this means something weird. I believe it's C++
 
Ell
never mind I just found out about this... roundcube.net/screens
 
3:14 PM
@milleniumbug It's C++
@VillasV Can you avoid that code that like the plague?
 
Damn, now I want to play Skyrim.
Need to reassemble my box.
 
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes 3hrs before I'm off :(
 
Also, fucker that "wanted" to buy my graphics card didn't show up.
Doesn't reply to my messages.
Seriously, what a dick.
 
Ven
more graphics power to you then!
 
user1804599
@Ven Maybe the card is broken.
 
3:16 PM
I even let him haggle it down 20 euros.
 
@Jefery Well, I'll have to write my own wrapper for the library then... which is terrifying because the original C library is even more cryptic.
 
user1804599
lol, Onion does "The Week In Pictures" on Mondays
 
> The CSA flag is given the same protection from burning and desecration as the U.S. flag in six U.S. states: Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Arizona.
 
@milleniumbug ah, yes - I did misread it
But so did you, it seems :P
 
@Griwes yup, indeed
 
3:21 PM
TIL the Portuguese penal code punishes not only the desecration of the Portuguese flag, but also of foreign ones (under conditions of reciprocity).
 
user1804599
lol people destroying flags
 
Omg I just realized that the guy who wrote this is addicted to void * casts and casting ulong to pointers.

Was that an actual thing on C or this is nuts even for cryptic C standards?
 
Latter.
That person doesn't even know C.
 
user1804599
Real C programmers spend too much of their time debugging segfaults and memory leaks.
 
user1804599
So there is no time left to cast void pointers.
 
3:26 PM
-4
Q: Apparently AGE bigotry is OK on Stack Overflow

MogsdadI flagged this post as offensive, as it contained a "funny program" that declared people over the age of 50 as "dead". If we substituted race or gender for age, that would clearly be hate literature. A moderator disputed the flag: flags should only be used to make moderators aware of conten...

@orlp Does putting it in a loop not work?
 
@Mysticial Someone actually gets offended by these things?
 
@VillasV well, if you'll read the question, it will seem that at least one person got
 
user1804599
Apparently age bigotry bigotry is NOT OK on Meta. — Elyse 6 secs ago
 
@Mysticial Hahahaha, someone needs thicker skin
 
@milleniumbug True, and in the Meta another guy said he flagged too.
 
user1804599
3:35 PM
> My background is mainly in real-time embedded programming in C/C++, but I've also worked with Pascal, Fortran, dBase, SQL, a few proprietary languages
 
user1804599
grumpy confirmed
 
Ven
@Mysticial I find ages to be offensive. Don't define me with a number!
 
> Déjà considéré comme le troisième acteur mondial [en jeu vidéo], le Québec a accueilli 42 nouveaux studios et créé 2100 emplois depuis 2012, selon un rapport qui sera dévoilé ce matin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, this too. it's really cool to know the road and only move along it without having to look at the map, only maybe at the signs sometimes.
 
Hey pythonians
Is it possible to have the same mechanic of the with statement in a class object scope?
Like that when the object is destroyed, the member object is also destroyed and __exit__ called?
 
3:43 PM
you mean C++ style RAII? not really, usual GC-related caveats apply
I mean, CPython has reference counted objects so destroying objects recursively is quite reliable, but switch to Jython, IronPython or others, and you're in deep forest
 
Solved by using __del__
 
user1804599
@Jefery Call __exit__ in __del__.
 
user1804599
DELL
 
user1804599
Dick of Ell
 
Ell
;)
boy chromium takes ages to emerge
 
user1804599
3:49 PM
@Ell Yes, but at least you get auto-vectorised mouse coordinate computations!
 
@EtiennedeMartel \o/
 
user3790646
Hello.
 
@Andrey Hi
 
user3790646
How are you doing?
 
@Andrey fine, how about you?
 
user406009
3:55 PM
@milleniumbug you can't rely on Cpython's reference counts due to cycles.
 
user3790646
@edition I'm doing good :D
 
@Lalaland well, don't make cycles :P
 
user406009
Cycles are legal and won't leak memory in Cpython though.
 
user406009
You can't just say "don't do X", when X is a core feature of the language.
 
don't use new :D
 
user406009
4:01 PM
If one of your classes breaks when you create it via new, then that class has serious problems.
 
"Don't leave dangling pointers", still core feature though
 
eh this is weird: I can connect to facebook.com via openssl, but cannot through either firefox or curl.
 
well, I get your point, but meh
 
watching Kick Ass
I wonder if you can make a Batman helmet with any protective properties.
 
hmm, something's not right here.
 
4:09 PM
@edition Hint: it's you
Now get off my lawn!
 
@набиячлэвэлиь No it isn't.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь AGE bigotry!!!!!
flag him :D
 
oh, this is about the meta post :)
 
user406009
@набиячлэвэлиь flags.net/images/largeflags/POLA0001.GIF
 
user406009
There, he has now been flagged.
 
4:12 PM
@Lalaland My eyes ç__ç
 
@Lalaland "Hotlinking not permitted" ?
 
Deutchlandlied sounds nice.
 
user image
8
 
user406009
@Morwenn I would be very tempted to write that on the back of a bathroom stall door ...
 
@sehe where can I obtain the music that you used in your livestream?
 
4:17 PM
Oct 20 '11 at 16:13, by Cat Plus Plus
Just do it.
 
@edition In your local record dealership
(which one)
 
@edition @sehe does livestreams? I'd watch that.
 
@sehe one of the songs played in your livestream was: "Haydn - String Quartet in C Major Op. 76, No. 3 (Emperor): II. Poco adagio"
 
@edition Well, there's your cue! I love the Eder quartett recording of those but I'm not sure they're on Spotify and/or still available. But really, just plug it into Amazon and you'll find the CDs
 
@sehe thanks.
 
@Morwenn Mondays do suck! Transportation rush hours are the worst :(
 
Could be interesting. I don't have that one, but I have other string quartets by them
@wilx Oh man. That movie is pretty bad
 
@sehe I am still watching. It is much better than I expected.
 
Wow.
I'm impressed by your capacity for low expectations
 
^Was expecting this
 
4:25 PM
@sehe lol
 
Honestly, I rarely watch movies. This movie I watched because a co-worker recommended it and lent me the dvd.
 
@wilx You should try this
 
@sehe You can be huge dick, too, you know. :D
 
Well.
 
gdb with boost containers is very helpful ideone.com/UJWM2c
 
4:29 PM
@sehe It was really well filmed.
 
That's true.
That hardly makes a good movie
 
And braindead films can be very enjoyable sometimes
 
@sehe I thought it was great
 
I guess it depends on what you're watching movies for.
 
(Main examples: Cornetto trilogy, Austin Powers...)
 
4:30 PM
I like the Matrix.
 
@sehe I know a lot of people who liked it. Havent watched it myself.
 
Apr 13 '12 at 15:11, by sehe
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh. Like that. I tend to fully disregard avatars :(
3 hours ago, by sehe
I also don't need ad blocker because I simply don't see the ads
 
@edition 1 was great, 2-3 not so much
 
So. Yeah
@Morwenn Yeah. I forget I have a taste
It's actually "well-done" but I would never rank a movie good just because it's "well-done"
If it's not interesting for some reason whatsoever...
 
it is interesting
 
4:31 PM
Oh.
I missed that part. But it's been a long time ago now
 
the hero sucks very bad. he's being shit on for the entire movie.
They actually toned it down because in the comics it's even worse.
 
Didn't watch it but Kick ass seems a great film to watch chilling with friends and booze
(And weed for people who enjoy that)
 
I guess I'm done for now with my compile-time math library. Time to get back to the sorting one :D
 
@Rerito chilling seems to go well with netflix
 
@sehe Well it depends, sometimes it can be very frustrating as well
(Fuck canal+, french people will understand I'm sure)
 
4:36 PM
canal++
 
(Oh and fuck hadopi)
 
canard++
 
If they could duck 6 feet under that would be great
canard == duck, anyone? :(
 
I don't understand.
 
I wonder if its actually considerate to have the French flag overlaid on my profile picture. I'm not French, nor am I directly affected by the recent tragedies.
 
4:40 PM
@Rerito yes
@Morwenn well played
 
Kick ass!!
 
@edition Then don't. If it's meaningless why would you do it?
 
@edition neither are 80% of french people bearing it either. Don't worry. everyone is entitled to a nice gesture.
 
@Morwenn Come on back me up on this!
 
(even if virtually free, but that's another concern)
 
4:42 PM
@Rerito It doesn't follow that it would be meaningless (although the overwhelming suggestion seems to be it would be, considering he's asking us)
 
I was actually delaying watching Kick Ass for quite some time. I thought it will be just teen angst film.
 
@sehe I just view it as an ego manifestation but again that would be my opinion
(Since in his case, the odds there are french people to witness his gesture is kinda low)
 
@Rerito what? no!
 
@Rerito I might do that too, but I wouldn't assume it to be true
@Rerito So. Would a chopped tree falling in a wood still be audible even if no mocking-birds were there to hear it?
 
It's a bit of a paradox. If you do it, I'ld appreciate the gesture since I'ld know
Also, seeing all this shit on my facebook (many friends who overlaid the french flag on their profile pic) is a bit sickening to me. It's like "we're offended", "this is a tragedy"... And in the meantime everything goes on like nothing happened.
In that case they could just do nothing instead of pretending
 
4:49 PM
@Rerito what can I do to change that perception?
How can I be helpful?
 
Don't worry you don't have to do anything, I'm not judging it's just my perception of this reality
@edition Just grow yourself to be a good man. It's the burden of everyone on this planet :)
 
Ven
I just typed ~T() = default override;. someone help me
@Morwenn link it!
 
@Ven but why
 
Ven
@milleniumbug why do you ask
@milleniumbug because my parent class declared a pure virtual dtor, so I'm overriding it obviously. But I don't need to do anything inside it :P.
 
this is weird, why are you writing a destructor to signify that you add nothing
 
4:52 PM
@Ven Which one?
 
Ven
@Morwenn both
@milleniumbug 'tis not a ctor
 
@Ven Have them: static_math and cpp-sort. I guess I already shared them a bazillion times though .____.
 
also does override even make sense with non-virtual members
 
Ven
@milleniumbug it's virtual, I said my base class had a virtual dtor.
 
4:53 PM
@Morwenn Yeah you've got some dark magic there. I don't even get it at some places :D
 
@Ven ok, my 4th derp this day
I should go sleep now
 
Good eve @all from [[confused]] @Antarctice!
 
@Rerito I've reduced the black magic in cpp-sort and the static_math is pretty straightforward.
@Ven Just don't write the destructor if you're going to default it.
 
@Morwenn Was talking about cpp-sort, didn't take a glance at the other
 
Ven
@Morwenn well, I know, but then it won't find it in the vtable, it tells me...
 
4:55 PM
I'd just write ~T() {}
 
@Ven Strange. If the base class destructor is virtual, then the implicit derived class one should be virtual too IIRC...
 
Ven
@Morwenn Yeah of course. I probably need coffee or something :\
@Morwenn so, where's the file with all the gory details? :D
 
@Ven You're probably looking for that one: github.com/Morwenn/cpp-sort/blob/master/include/cpp-sort/…
 
Ven
@Morwenn ah, that's the sort one! Still good, ty
 
template<typename Head>
struct sorters_merger<Head>:
    Head
what.
 
Ven
4:59 PM
what?
that's just inheritance.
 

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