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12:00 AM
Squeenix is also using it for dragon quest
 
Only name I recognized was EVE, and that's their VR demo (CCP Games). Let me try by the dev column.
 
and Kingdom Hearts III
 
@ElimGarak shenmue bro
tekken
what's up with japs using UE for everything
 
@sehe I fully agree, which is why it was a comment, not an answer. We all tend to be a bit more flexible with the comments and relax the rules around them a bit, so you will find many comments that don't really comply with the site rules. For instance the comment above from Anik "kill me" should be flagged and subsequently removed according to the site rules. Instead, it has been upvoted 5 times so far including +1 from me. — Racil Hilan 59 secs ago
let's have that Q deleted...
 
@AlexM. I think they've all run out of money for developing their own engines
 
12:01 AM
a shameful display!
 
UE is a perfect choice for closed area pretty looking, primarily statically lit games.
 
rip fox engine ;__;7
 
@Prismatic Not just the engines, they take forever to ship games. Look at Gran Turismo
that took so long to develop they had to sell a demo
 
lol, fable legends
 
And Final Fantasy 15 lol
 
12:02 AM
I'll buy a PS4 when FF15 releases
 
Yeah to hell with GT. I bought GT5 and it was pretty disappointing
 
@AlexM. i.e. never
 
@ElimGarak even then shadows are kinda icky :S
 
@Borgleader hey I want to give the PS4 a try, but I'm not that crazy about it so it's fine :P
 
@Prismatic And then when it launched it got wrecked by uh... whats that game... anyway the one by an MS first party
 
12:03 AM
Forza
 
yeah that one
 
@melak47 They are usually extremely low res, as thousands of static objects in the scene comprising it require their own lightmaps. I don't think they go far above 512x512. And their environment maps (glossy probes, preconvolved) are generated from a cube with a side resolution of 128x128.
 
I didn't like Forza's driving dynamics
GT5 was crap in so many ways but driving feel was top notch
 
Ell
I'm looking forward to linux 4.5
 
all this talk about graphics reminded me of a neat RTS with awesome graphics back in the day
 
12:05 AM
What does 4.5 bring
 
Hello everyone
I've got a really noob question. If I encrypt using AES is the cipher text meant to look like 8uàC ∞┼╫╝BÇtéï⌐ or something like 79GKQnZJI2KR7Yd8pEA5Za8b ? I'm getting the former.
 
@ElimGarak SVOGI looked like the silver bullet that would fix all the reflection and lighting issues, but then they said "nah too expensive" :v
 
@melak47 Yeah, I remember telling Puppy that their fake ass effort is fake. :D It is based on Crassin's work and that thing is terribly slow. Best case scenario, 20 FPS.
 
12:06 AM
I remember publications going about how they're impressed that if you zoom hard enough you can read the manufacturing date on missiles
 
But it was good publicity, I guess. Some people still think it is a thing.
 
/cc @TonyTheLion @jaggedSpire
 
:3
 
@Borgleader :3
 
It was actually worse than Nvidia's VXGI (since they opted in for VXGI), which itself is terrible even on that shitty moon landing scene, it crushed my 980. :D
 
12:09 AM
@hello The latter is encoded in base 64 or such encoding to make it readable.
 
@AlexM. Gunslinger's cutscenes are comic-like artstyle?
 
@ElimGarak the whole game is comic-like, yup
 
Can I do PBR in OpenGL 2
 
really nice
give it a try if you like shooters
it's short (I finished it in like 8 hours)
(one sitting)
 
yeah right an 8 hour game session
 
12:10 AM
tells a really short and interesting story
 
@Prismatic OpenGL ES?
 
let me show you a list of things ain't nobody got time for: that
 
@ElimGarak Yeah ES 2 / Desktop 2.1
 
@wilx okay. Thanks.
 
@wilx Why are you helping him
 
Ell
12:14 AM
@hello I'd expect former
latter looks likes base64 enecoding
 
You should contratrollhim instead
 
@Prismatic Well, PBR in its simplest form is merely generating proper scene probes (which could be recorded into equirectilinear targets instead of cubemaps to be easier to filter without seams), basically by preconvolving it with the specular BRDF. And then you sample the closest one for arbitrary geometry based on their material properties. The problem begins with the lack of MRTs, so you can pretty much forget about a deferred pipeline.
 
Ell
@Prismatic that ain't right is it?
ES2 is like 3.1 I thought
 
What is considered PBR today is basically energy conservation + a derivation of GGX (such as Throwbridge-Reitz one)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I don't troll, consciously.
 
12:16 AM
But there is quite a few missing facilities that will prevent you from making interesting imagery, too many to count.
 
@wilx to uz bude vekom :P
 
lame :[
 
@ScarletAmaranth :D
 
@Ell No its 2.1, with all fixed pipeline stuff removed
ES 3 adds some nice things from 3.2 like MRTs, uniform buffers (oh god how I wish i had uniform buffers), VAOs, etc
no geometry shaders though I think. Apparently they are very power hungry or sth
 
Metal also lacks geometry shader, to my sorrow. It fucked up our plans for OS X completely. It invalidated techniques across the board.
 
12:18 AM
I think ES 3.1 and AEP have geometry shaders
Metal on OSX lacks geometry shaders?
 
On OS X you can get OpenGL 4.1 (no proper compute shaders, but you can do OpenCL in a limited fashion, because OpenCL is borken there). And you can do Metal, which has compute shaders, but doesn't have geometry shaders. It's like someone's idea of a sick joke.
 
@ElimGarak The fact that it doesnt have geometry shaders just blows my mind
Who thought that was a good idea
 
Also, it is Objective-C only ahahah
 
@Ell cat
 
12:21 AM
The only Unity I am stuck with is the one behind my windows on Ubuntu.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak you nub
 
@Ell im sure unity is working on adding vulkan as a render device
As is any engine (UE, etc) that isn't stupid
 
Unity and UE will do Vulkan, yes. It is in their interest, they're like the providers of the Java VM in that respect. Others won't because no commercial interest, or better expressed, ROI.
 
Well Vulkan doesn't seem like a terrible idea if you consider Android
 
don't insult mobile, don't insult mobile, don't insult mobile
Oh, fuck it, fuck mobile. :D
 
12:23 AM
I agree with you 100%
especially Android which is insufferable trash
 
I opened the AppStore and almost got cancer.
 
But its not a huge stretch to imagine it as a desktop platform in my opinion
 
12 hours ago, by Alex M.
I found a fun mobile game without IAPs https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eightyeightgames.tenmillion
 
Apple actually added a section where featured games without IAPs go
 
IAPs are cancer
 
12:25 AM
If Google could push Android on mobile so hard, I don't see why they wouldn't try to get it on desktop too
 
IAPs are specifically designed to exploit addiction and bring in $$$
 
I am actually more likely to purchase a $9.99 game (no IAP) than one below $5.
 
i.e. there are people trained to do that whose only job is to design that
 
I recently tried to port the lib im writing to android... or rather, get it to work with the android app's lifecycle stuff
 
i.e. people whose job is to answer the question "hm so how exactly do we make kids spend more money while getting addicted to our game"
 
12:26 AM
Its so ... I don't know what the right word for it is
I remember reading that its adult women that spend the most on IAP
 
it's just so bad
I get that companies want more money but when the IAP things go in good game design goes out
 
Yeah, but nobody really understands adult women.
 
I do
 
I think the mobile application market has put developers in a pretty shitty situation. Race to the bottom and all
 
12:28 AM
@ScarletAmaranth rightfold doesn't count m8erino
 
@AlexM. my girlfriend does tho
 
I hope your girlfriend finds you funnier than I do
 
ahahah
 
that wasn't an attempt at a joke
 
my point exactly
 
12:30 AM
so your point was to state that I am not funny... when I am not trying to be funny
alright then!
 
should I have said fun
 
woo this convo got awkward fast
 
> adult
 
maybe fun would've been better
 
France be mad, yo.
 
12:31 AM
lets all get back to listening about my horrible experiences with android dev
 
@ElimGarak do they ship passengers in MIGs now?
 
@ElimGarak is that heading towards syria?
 
Why woudl France use migs?
thats gotta be a rafale or something
 
I don't know all jets look like MIGs to me
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah, they've already bombed them several times.
 
12:32 AM
I live in a MIGful world
 
thats aeroplane-ist >:[
 
@ElimGarak well, bombing Paris is certainly not gonna make them stop :-\
 
obviously inferior to the glorious US air force
 
> The Romanian Air Force modernized 110 MiG 21 LanceRs, in cooperation with Israel between 1993 and 2002. Today, 48 of these MiG 21 LanceRs are operational.
we kinda suck I think
 
@Prismatic Yeah, those are Rafales
 
12:33 AM
 
Let me find a better pic
 
bad ass
 
Ah, there it is.
 
user406009
I actually think France shouldn't do any bombings.
 
@Prismatic looks fat
 
12:33 AM
 
user406009
We all need to pull out from the Middle East.
 
YOU look fat
 
@ElimGarak looks less fat
 
@Lalaland too late now
 
Prismatic should know never to share pics of a lady's undergarments.
 
12:34 AM
@Lalaland from Middle Earth?
 
I wonder what NK would do if WW3
 
@AlexM. Make more propaganda videos?
 
I'm really interested in seeing NK in the future
it's like a story lacking a conclusion
 
user406009
@Prismatic I know, we've already caused the birth of ISIS. Let's try to avoid creating any more "children".
 
@AlexM. Huehue, it's like Fallout 4
@Lalaland It will end once they're wiped out. As in, scorched ground, nothing alive wiped out.
Until then, this will continue to repeat.
 
12:36 AM
@Lalaland If you leave now you let them consolidate their power and create their own state.
 
user406009
Let them have their own state.
 
Yeah, that's a great idea. :P We need NK2.
 
user406009
These cycles of violence will only end when the citizens are happy.
 
Their state is founded on violence.
 
@Lalaland ISIS state?
 
user406009
12:37 AM
You can't commit suicide bombings and watch stupid reality television at the same time.
 
@Lalaland Sure. Let them have their own state with the claimed goal of dominating the rest of the planet, let them continue selling oil and amassing wealth and infrastructure until they have enough to acquire nuclear weapons or biological weapons or whatever
 
user406009
@Prismatic Use sanctions then.
 
They have no friendly intentions. They kill their "own", let alone others.
 
You think the citizen of Syria are happy under ISIS? lol
 
I prefer sanctions in the form of a Trident II missile.
 
12:38 AM
these sure were ugly
The IAR 80 was a Romanian World War II low-wing monoplane, all-metal monocoque fighter and ground-attack aircraft. When it first flew, in 1939, it was comparable to contemporary designs such as the German Messerschmitt Bf 109B, the British Hawker Hurricane Mk.I, and the American Curtiss P-40B/Tomahawk Mk.I and superior to the Dutch Fokker D.XXI and Polish PZL P.24. Production problems and lack of available armament delayed entry of the IAR 80 into service until 1941. It remained in frontline use until 1944. == DevelopmentEdit == In order to ensure that the Royal Romanian Air Force (ARR) could...
 
user406009
Some of them are surely OK. Much better off under ISIS than dead due to US bombs.
 
user406009
@Prismatic Also, their time of oil is coming to an end.
 
user406009
We have both increased oil production here and less oil demand due to better technology.
 
@Lalaland well the glorious Allied forces will surely rectify the situation soon enough
 
user406009
12:39 AM
@nick Like the last time we tried?
 
user406009
No thanks.
 
user406009
You cannot win this type of war.
 
<sarcasm> tags missing, sorry
 
user406009
At least, not without complete genocide.
 
Eh... they've turned entire villages into graveyards because of religion, they round up gays and throw em off buildings, etc. I really don't think they are 'okay' under IS rule
 
user406009
12:39 AM
(Which I am assuming most people are not willing to do)
 
I have a feeling the ending of this tale will be similar to the way Japanese were brought to the peace table.
 
Also the flood of refugees will keep continuing until that region stabilizes
 
At least we're finally replacing the humvee with MRAPs
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Killing hundreds of thousands of people?
 
@Lalaland They aren't selling oil to the west
 
user406009
12:40 AM
That's hardly an "ideal" solution.
 
@Lalaland IIRC, it worked last time.
In 6 days, actually, it worked.
 
user406009
@Prismatic It's a global market. Oil supply and demand is global.
 
People need to be reminded of a few things there.
 
except Japan was an enemy nation, whereas ISIS is just an entity intermingled with the general population
 
user406009
@ElimGarak I guess you were the one of the people who nuked Megaton in Fallout 3?
 
12:41 AM
on the bright side, think of the advancements we'll have in case WW3 happens when it comes to tech
all WWs brought advancements
 
you can't nuke a target that doesn't exist
 
@Lalaland Megatonians are peaceful folk, I killed Burke. And saved the sheriff.
 
user406009
@nick It's simple. You commit genocide and kill lots of civilians.
 
@nick You nuke a point of cultural significance. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually beyond tertiary targets, but the US defered to them due to unforeseen advances.
 
@Lalaland Which by the way is terrible design (testability, etc...)
@nick Not with that attitude
 
12:43 AM
@Lalaland I remember doing it to see the explosion lol
 
@AlexM. some people just want to watch the world burn
 
Ell
@Lalaland meh we still need plastic
 
user406009
Anyways, every time we go to the Middle East, it's a fucking mess.
 
If people actually did what needs to be done, each of these attacks would be met by a Trident II in Allah's face. And you'd see how they'd give up quickly.
 
but we have MRAPs now, nothing can possibly go wrong
 
Ell
12:44 AM
@ElimGarak youre kiddin my right
 
user406009
My prediction is that France will go into the Middle East.
 
user406009
They will blow some stuff up.
 
@ElimGarak Right, because the target is identifiable and in a single location that can be bombed into oblivion
 
user406009
They will get a lot of French citizens blown up.
 
So Avast just decided that b2 and bjams are threats and should be quarantined.
 
user406009
12:45 AM
Then we will get ISIS v2.
 
Ell
> prediction
 
user406009
And we will be right back where we started.
 
"You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it" is pretty much the message that needs to be sent right now. You may not like it, but that's what ended WWII.
 
user406009
Except with a lot more people dead.
 
You don't target ISIS. You wipe out their sacred places, places of cultural significance. That was the targeting MO in 1945.
 
12:46 AM
What sacred places?
 
@ElimGarak I think the "modern world" is advanced enough technologically to steamroll without having to resort to atomic nukes and in general to stuff that has major collateral damage on civilians
 
mosques and things get destroyed all the time
 
user406009
@ElimGarak You mean the places of cultural significance ISIS is already blowing up themselves?
 
all it does is create more violence
 
user406009
ISIS doesn't give a shit.
 
12:46 AM
@ScarletAmaranth Haha, tell that to Russia.
 
@Morwenn remind me the last time Russia nuked someone please
 
These guys play COD on xboxes and watch anime, there's no central place of significance you can decimate to mess up their ideology
 
@ScarletAmaranth They are excellent when it comes to collateral damages.
 
You can learn from history, basically. I remember it took less than week for the Japanese to say "okay, you win". Have you ever seen the pressure shockwave of a thermonuclear weapon? Makes Allah look like a little bitch.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak That was after killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.
 
12:47 AM
You keep saying Japan this and Japan that
 
Japanese then and ISIS now is so different it's not even funny
 
japan is not a relevant example
 
Ell
I agree
ISIS don't care about anything but getting into heaven
 
@Morwenn I don't think anything compares to nukes in terms of collateral damage
 
Superior force is what is going to end this, not kumbaya. But I don't really care, my ass is so far away from the line, I am not even invested. That's the only way this ends.
 
user406009
12:48 AM
@ElimGarak Isn't Croatia a NATO country?
 
Ell
superior force means doing what the brits are doing imho
 
user406009
If France calls for an Article 5, all NATO allies have to assist.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Of course, but collateral damages don't imply nukes.
 
@Lalaland I avoid major cities and Croatia can assist them as much as they want.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Still, your tax dollars and your fellow countrymen.
 
12:49 AM
But I am guaranteeing this with a promise to suck any dick you want, a nuke would end this.
Not that I care, though.
 
You keep saying that but you don't actually say where to strike
 
Something they care about. It's simple.
 
passed Portal again
 
What the hell does that even mean
 
took me less than half of the time I needed first time
 
12:50 AM
Right When All ISIS Leaders Gather Together All At Once
 
Maybe when they all get together for secret santa right in the middle of syria
 
@ElimGarak with great force comes great responsibility; you can't even use it as a threat openly (just posessesion is quite a threat already) - nuking is out of question, but military intervention will probably be the solution sooner or later
 
 
@Prismatic ho ho ho
 
Nuclear warfare's primary target is civilians, not military leaders.
 
12:51 AM
One of the professors at my university died in the Bataclan attack.
 
@GregorMcGregor Sorry to hear that, mate.
 
@orlp Yeah, sounds like a synth.
 
:26890865 D:
 
@GregorMcGregor oh god
 
savage
 
12:52 AM
on the left, VIM running in zsh inside urxvt through X11 forwarding on my linux laptop
on the right, gVIM on windows
 
No I didn't know him personally. Just heard from my ex-classmates who had him.
 
Ell
@GregorMcGregor My condolences :(
 
I'm going to sleep. See you another day.
 
Ell
It is such an awful event
@Morwenn goodnight
 
@Morwenn nn
 
12:53 AM
> The Target Committee stated that "It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released.
 
@Morwenn night
 
@jaggedSpire Just in time? :3
 
It was never about targetting some admiral and his lackeys.
 
@ElimGarak threat is more dangerous than execution; for this one, you can't really ever execute it tho
 
@Morwenn :3
 
user3790646
12:55 AM
I'm also going to bed. Good night everybody.
 
I fear that the western world will let this get out of hand and we'll all pay the price for inaction. But fortunately, I'll be the last because my country is so irrelevant. :P
 
nuking is out of question - send modern aircrafts, ground forces, navy - what have you, and steamroll the entire territory in a few weeks time
 
user406009
What do you mean "out of hand"? What exactly are you worried about?
 
user406009
ISIS developing nukes?
 
Extremism spreading
 
12:56 AM
you can't just develop nukes without anybody noticing
 
Nukes are not a problem, what Gregor's saying. These attacks will just continue to happen as long as nobody repays the favor. And the stakes will scale by orders of magnitude with each one. The intended target here was the stadium, this one was actually a failure.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak I don't understand why you think we are not "repaying the favour"
 
why resort to nukes when you can absolutely ruin them with superior airforce with minimum resources expanded
 
The reason why everyone here is terrified out of their minds when I bring it up. That's why nukes exists. That's why they were first made, the only reason they ever detonated.
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth ISIS will use human shields. Every time you bomb, you are going to be hitting a lot of civilians.
 
12:58 AM
they will be meeting stealth-aircrafts with a guy in a red headband shooting a 30 year old rusty Javelin
id say don't let it get out of hand, strike now, but nuke is out of the question
@Lalaland there are worlds of difference between nuke and an airstrike hitting civilians (as tragic as it is - I really do feel everyone has the right to, well, not be randomly killed)
 
Meanwhile, which city is next? How many this time? This could become as frequent as sports gambling.
 

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