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12:00 PM
The bad part is that NO schools teach it any more. Everyone's moving to Java or C#, which is kinda sad, imo.
 
@Somberdon They taught it badly anyway.
 
@sbi ROFL
that apple owner must be freaking out
 
I have the same laptop, actually. Glad that's not me, though.
 
@Somberdon most universities still teach c++
 
12:01 PM
bad C++ :v
 
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lolschool
 
@Wardy None near me. I've looked at the different course studies. Most of them around the TN/GA area teach Java.
 
@Wardy they pretend to
 
these days picking a language to do something is more about personal preference than language features
 
wtf is TN/GA
 
12:02 PM
what
 
But I've kinda said "screw it" to going to school and I'm just going to go for a couple certifications. It's cheaper and less time-consuming.
TN/GA, as is Tennessee and Georgia.
 
@DeadMG Tennessee and Georgia.
 
@Somberdon i dont have a university degree very few people i work with say that
 
The redneck hell-hole of the US.
 
Please specify the country. Do not assume a US audience.
 
12:03 PM
like a degree is some sort of requirement for programming
 
hmm
IME a degree is worthless shit but people like to filter on it anyway
 
@Wardy People will believe anything a college recruiter tells them, though. "It's impossible to find a good job without one!"
 
I have yet to understand why, but it is a fact I have observed about the world
it is rather difficult, at least here.
 
Oh boy.
Degrees are bad rhetoric again.
 
user1804599
It’s called “degree” because if you have it you will sit in a cubicle with a temperature of 40 degrees centigrade.
 
12:04 PM
I'd think twice before hiring someone without a relevant degree, which is strange because I assign them fairly low value in my mind when looking through the qualifications of someone who has one.
 
degree students (in my experience) tend to not know much about programming beyond theory and how to learn what they dont know ... actually sitting a degree student in front of a set of requirements is met with blank looks and a barrage of questions
 
I shall use this time to make breakfast.
 
generally speaking
 
@Rapptz good idea
 
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@Rapptz Yum.
 
12:04 PM
Degree's are becoming so token right now, it's not funny. Everyone and their mother has a degree in SOMETHING these days. You'd just be one of 50 applicants with a 4-year CS degree.
 
@Wardy It's hard to learn that, anyway. That comes down to most people (not just "degree students") being unable to think for themselves.
@Somberdon I'm glad I did a masters, for that reason. Though my career history is more than substantial enough now to overrule degree qualifications.
 
Honestly the few people who have the balls to apply for a programming job without a degree would be the ones who caught my attention, if only to see their work portfolio.
 
user1804599
My boss applied to me.
 
For some reason, I think that offering free pizza is actially very appropriate on SO. Anyone else wants to vote it up as a feature suggestion? — DVK 23 mins ago
 
I remember how i got my first job as a developer ... the interviewer asked "i've seen so many CV's many more qualified than you, what makes you think you can do the job?" ... i simply replied "ask me that in a month and if I can't reply with because you say so then I don't belong in the career at all"
 
12:06 PM
@rightfold Same. 11 years ago. Teehee
 
wierdly enough he employed on that answer ... odd
@LightnessRacesinOrbit im with you on pizza
that's a requirement for writing code
 
@Wardy nice one!
btw I think 3 years on SO chat is long enough to learn how to use the reply button
 
The only problem with me is that I've never had a formal job programming. Yeah, I've done a few small freelance jobs here and there, but nothing down on paper and solid enough to call "work."
 
unless you're on mobile, in which case there isn't one
 
ack
KSP why the fuck won't you show me my intercept, I know that it's coming on the very next orbit, moronic program
 
12:08 PM
@Somberdon funny you should say "everyone has a degree in something these days", my bosses boss has a degree in something bizaare "ancient icelandic" ... WTF value does that have in IT?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what you mean by that?
 
Lol, most companies don't even look at the field of study any more. That's how cheap degrees have become to employers
 
@Wardy I doubt he ever claimed it was relevant to his job. That said, demonstrating the ability to study and learn is important, regardless of what it is that you learnt. That's why they teach Latin in schools.
@Wardy Nm :)
 
Compared to the monsterous amounts of money you'll spend getting that Bullshot Liberal Arts major.
 
How good is London's Imperial College?
 
A degree is only relevant if you pickup something in your field along the way IMO ... just having a degree is a completely pointless goal
 
12:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So that they can appear posh and pompous and not teach anything of value?
@presiuslitelsnoflek It's pretty good- hard to get into and an expensive area to live in
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek ICL is a world-reknowned centre of excellence in a variety of fields, particularly civil engineering
 
Personally, certifications are the way to go if you're mainly self-taught. They're cheap and you'll be expected to get the same certifications once you graduate from college anyway, so you may as well cut out the middle-man.
 
Hm. Yeah I heard London is expensive as fuck :(
 
it is.
 
if degrees are considered valuable despite not being relevant then i'll go get a degree in how to make the perfect pizza ... at least then i can make sure im well fed through my career
 
12:11 PM
but ICL is a pretty prestigious university
 
@Wardy The ability to study and learn is valuable in Software Development.
 
@DeadMG yeh but im not impressed with their results
 
-1
A: Why is cos(90)=0.4 in WebGL?

james juergensenthe key is to look at the balance between the elementary factors of sin cos as the arc increasinf so does the balance goes to fight against it thus causing chaotic state of inbalance, as the sun rotates in a perfect rotating axis as does the moon in perfect rythm in like mindedness so does an mat...

 
Hell, even just the ability to make sense of grammars and syntaxes unfamiliar to you has obvious parallels.
 
@Wardy Lol, funny enough, degrees in culinary arts and food prep are actually pretty valuable. Head chefs at major restaurants can make bank.
 
12:12 PM
@Somberdon do you think i could justify a pay rise as software dev if i had one ?
 
@Wardy Maybe if you cooked him dinner, first.
 
its worse .. my immediate line manager is female
i'd probably be pulled up on sexual harrassment charges or something knowing my luck
 
your country is odd
 
@Wardy Lol, I almost got fired from a job because of something like that before, but my boss was a man. It wasn't even something I did. I just got blamed for it for being the only openly gay coworker there... Dicks. Lol.
 
> only openly gay coworker there... Dicks. Lol.
 
12:15 PM
I had 100π rep at π time on Mathematics Exchange ;_;
I think I'm spending my life productively
 
But, this is the south and I've learned to not really expect much more.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit welcome to england .. its full of pointless crap like that
 
Damn it @presiuslitelsnoflek! xD Don't quote that!
 
@Somberdon that's hilarious
 
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@FredOverflow I decided not to use path-dependent types, because I could not use them with an outer instance.
 
12:16 PM
@Wardy I was laughing about it, that's why I almost got fired. Lol.
 
some real nut jobs out there
 
C'mon, I worked as a manager for a grocery store at the time, I didn't give a shoot less about that job.
 
why am i being so retarded
 
@Wardy Oh. Well, I'm in England.
 
i can't figure out how to override this bloody operator
 
12:18 PM
The way you were talking made it sound like you were in the US of A
Maybe I imagined it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit na thats worse
 
@Wardy To which message are you replying?
 
its ok to own a gun but you give a child a kinder egg
WTF !!!
 
@Wardy Operators cannot be overridden as they may not be virtual
 
You guys know that awful American hill-billy stereotype with everyone having a gun, chewing tobacco and generally scoring about 10 IQ points less than the rest of the country?
 
12:19 PM
@Somberdon Sure
10 is generous
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit actually in c# they can ..
 
@Wardy Are you asking about C#?
 
Yeah. That's all true, trust me... It's awful. Bible thumpers around here are the worst, though. Lol.
 
not really @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
12:20 PM
well the problem is a c# one im having
i was just stating that im having it
pointless asking in here
the conversation is more ranty in here than helpful
i wouldn't expect to get an answer
 
@Wardy I know jack about C#, so yeah, I'm no help.
 
@Wardy That's because it's a lounge, not a help room.
 
isn't there a C# room or something?
 
yeh ... so is this one ...

C#

General discussions about the c# language, Squirrels | gist.gi...
 
class A { virtual A operator+(const A& other); };  // OK
well, shit
Thanks, Adobe upgrade. Cannot view any PDF until I reboot. Tossers.
 
12:23 PM
lol
 
Out of curiosity, I'm just poking around with game development right now, but would you guys have any tips on honing your skills with programming to be more marketable? Kinds of software that could teach you a lot in the process of building them and whatnot?
 
None of us here is employed
We're all 12-14
 
speak for yourself
 
@Somberdon not really
 
Damn, that makes me the oldest asshole in here...
 
12:24 PM
@Somberdon I can tell you for a fact that there are much older assholes than you in here.
 
@Somberdon build a voxel engine lol
im old but apparently in my prime so im gonna go with middle aged
 
@Wardy I'd rather shove toothpicks under my fingernails. Lol.
 
itll teach you a lot about building efficient code
but yeh
its hell
 
how's your voxel engine btw?
it's been, what, 2 years since you started on it?
 
coming along @AlexM. hi again btw ... been a while
yeh i had to take a step back
 
12:26 PM
hiya
 
i dropped the project for like a year whilst i sorted other stuff out
wasnt putting enough time in to solve anything
i now have a scaleable threaded voxel engine
seems to work pretty well
builds billions of voxels and their meshes in a few frames
im still not happy with my island shaping though
cant get the shapes how i want them, got some ideas but then i had a wierd ass "uni student moment" where i couldn't figure out how to override a division operator on a type
nvm
got it now
 
speaking of unis, about that team I mentioned two days ago
only one person sent me their part of the assignment and it was really just half of it
fucking lazy fucks
 
ouch
 
Is this a voluntary project or paid?
 
I said it's for uni so it's an assignment
I wish it was paid
 
12:32 PM
@AlexM. Ah, I have no idea what a Uni is. University, I assume.
 
yeah
 
@Somberdon american ?
 
he'd understand the word then, I think
 
@Wardy Yeah, but I'm not a fan of it over here. The grass is always greener on the other side, but I've been wanting to move to Germany for a couple years, now.
 
huh
 
12:33 PM
no "real schools" that side of "the pond"?
germany?
gee ... downgrade
 
I just think it's an interesting country.
Worst-case scenario, I get to get out of the country and live my life a little.
 
germany is certainly all about that these days
 
while I admit schooling in the US is absurdly pricey
 
just dont mention the war
lol
 
I wouldn't give an US college for another
 
12:35 PM
@AlexM. not much better here though is it these days?
 
but I guess it depends on colleges
as a Romanian when I hear of US universities all I think of is Stanford and MIT
 
Das, und Ich spreche ein bißchen Deutsch. Ich gehab zwei Semster.
 
they reckon these days the average university student starting today will be £30k in debt for 4 years of study
 
also about the war, you're better off sitting in the US
 
Yeah... or you could teach yourself everything and get certified for about $200 US.
 
12:36 PM
@AlexM. yeh the big ones .. i suspect all you here about from england are cambridge and oxford too
 
lol no
 
@Somberdon exactly what i did
but it was a bit more than $200
 
I don't think a certification is a replacement for a degree tbh
 
I mean, yeah. $200's kind of the minimum you'll pay for the exam.
 
@AlexM. yeh but a lot of them are
 
12:37 PM
We were just on this discussion. Degrees are almost worthless. Everyone has one.
 
@Somberdon £88 for an MCP exam these days
so thats like $110 or something
 
That's not bad.
About 120-130ish, I'd guess.
But still, better than 15 grand a year.
 
Aw man.
Still discussing this? :(
 
hmmm 148 according to google ...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%C2%A388+in+dollars&oq=%C2%A388+in+dollars&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.6456j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
 
Wow, we were both off, then. Lol.
 
12:39 PM
exactly £15k / year or a couple of certs for £88 a time + the cost of a book or 2 then £20k+ a year
 
@Rapptz did I start it?
sorries, just joined
 
then i was on about £30k a year within 3 years of that
 
No.
 
Plus, once you get out of college, you'll be expected to take the exams and get your cert anyway.
 
not seem less than £40k for the last ... 3 or 4 years
thats how programming is these days
 
12:40 PM
That's just ridiculous...
 
but theres a total lack of respect for devs lately
they used to be god like
 
That's because devs are token and most are crap.
 
user1804599
rightfold-sama
 
People are printing "Hello World!" into their consoles and think they're a super-whiz. Lol.
 
@Somberdon when i got my current job my boss was telling me about the process a few months later
 
12:42 PM
@Somberdon Hey, there are situations where doing so qualifies you for being a super-whiz.
 
@Somberdon i work for a company that has a parent company and their hr dep "filter resume's" before my line manager sees them
my boss still saw over 100
and about 10 of those were any good
and about 3 could prove they were even remotely capable of doing the job
 
@DeadMG Fuck me, where are those companies? I'd settle for minimum wage to sit at a desk and just deal with code all day. It's much friendlier than people.
 
it took me an hour to drive home from the interview and half an hour later i got phone call with an offer
 
Lol.
 
thats the state of programming education in the UK
it sucks ass
 
12:43 PM
hey
 
I would complain about it but its working in my favour
so i really dont care
 
A lot of times, you can get away with a golden personality.
 
I'm a super-whiz and I'm just coming on the market in the UK :P
 
@Somberdon ... yeh personality ... have you ever met a developer?
 
Plenty.
 
12:45 PM
right so "golden personality" is not a real term you can apply to any of them is it?
 
Touché. Lol.
 
im a firm believer that there are 2 kinds of IT guys ... there are those that can talk and those that can do
 
wanted to go to work to make up for lost time but then realized I forgot my access code and... hey, I don't want to cause trouble with security
better only go tomorrow, heh
 
those that can do dont do talking to well
 
Well, just because you have a personality doesn't necessarily mean that your programming will be bad.
I wouldn't consider any of my dev friends "Lawful Good" but a middle Chaotic-Neutral/Good about sums them up. Lol.
 
12:47 PM
lol
 
eh
why would anybody want to be Lawful Good?
 
I'm a lawful-sexy developer
 
Sounds like fancy talk for "Shit don't talk to each other."
 
yeh but you're one of the afformentioned "developers" which means like me you have dev friends ... tey still think you're an asshole but you're less of an ass than other devs
 
12:47 PM
I'm Chaotic Awesome, all right. Lol.
 
its like ... do i stand on hot coals or get in this boiling hot bath ... hmmm
im gonna get hurt no matter what
but which will hurt less
 
I love my friends. It's easy to shoot shit if you can give and take a joke. Lol.
God help you if you have sensitivity issues, though.
 
im sure everyone in here is an ass too ... but do we ignore each other ... no because we have some common ground ... programming
 
Assholes work well together. We have the mutual goal of being better than the "normals."
 
most my friends are in IT in some shape or form / have some IT knowledge
@Somberdon exactly
 
12:50 PM
you guys lost me
 
I wholeheartedly believe that if you're not at least somewhat ADHD, you just can't function at 154% when programming. Lol.
 
what are you talking about again
 
Look, if we knew that, we wouldn't be lost ourselves.
 
@AlexM. i think you started it
so whats the topic again?
wait are we talking?
gah i need a code sample to feel better
 
The topic could be bum sex for all I care.
 
12:51 PM
eww
 
if(!happiness) {return HUGS;}
 
ok i want to randomly draw a path from a point
any ideas?
public void GenerateSeedPoints()
{
seedPoints = new List<IntVector3>();
seedPoints.Add(VoxelLength.DevideBy(2));
}
 
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@Wardy userFinder.findUserByEmailAddress(emailAddress).filter(_._2.hashedPassword(pass‌​word))
 
Straight line or path?
 
i have a volume and the first "seedPoint" is the center of the volume
 
12:52 PM
Main() {
    cpp("iostream").std.cout << "Hello, World!";
}
 
im generating a randomly shaped volume of land
 
@Wardy why are you not asking in gamedev btw?
 
@DeadMG I like it!
 
user1804599
> Devide
 
user1804599
It’s “divide.”
 
12:53 PM
@AlexM. i cant find it
you got a link?
 
user1804599
Also, C# isn’t Java. Overload operator/ pl0x.
 
how can you not find it?
 
@rightfold omg ... see im having a retarded day
 
you're a retarded day.
 
@AlexM. when i search it doesn't come up
 
12:54 PM
 
oh ok
i thought you meant the chat room
 
that one too
 
not the stack q&a
 
click the stack exchange button at the top, then click on chat
 
12:54 PM
You could try mid-point displacement. If that's not already what you're doing.
That's usually what I use to generate random terrain.
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit and Osama bin Laden in the background.
 
This thread is still making me feel retarded... I probably am, but whatever, my momma says I'm special!
She also tell me that I have killer dance moves. She says that I have get-down syndrome.
 
user1804599
She says you have to get Down syndrome?
 
I am going STRAIGHT to hell for that comment. xD
 
@rightfold yep
 
12:59 PM
@Somberdon You killed a person by dancing with them? That's pretty fucked up, dude.
 
@Somberdon You're already there
 

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