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user1804599
10:00 PM
s/bool/auto/
 
user1804599
Always use auto.
 
@ScottW Definitely not const.
 
@rightfold No.
 
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In fact, auto constexpr alexOwner = true;.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin I'm kidding.
 
10:00 PM
@rightfold that, 100x
 
user1804599
Switch to C++.
 
@ScottW BOOL alexOwner = FILE_NOT_FOUND;
 
@ScottW no, static const or bust (in fact, still bust, 'cause recompile if const changed)
 
I don't even
 
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@sehe Why 100x? That would be useless.
 
10:01 PM
Ok, 2x (trailing const + constexpr)
 
Xeo
Though I'd wager that most people likely voted no because they just don't like LRiO, regardless of how he might fare as an owner.
 
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Lingo
 
user3010322
Dingo
 
Ringo
(where's the Starr?)
 
@Jefffrey I'm really glad it's over
 
10:02 PM
 
last thing I wanted to see was... dunno, Lady Gaga wearing a bra with C++ on it
 
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@sehe Twingo
 
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Renault Bingo
 
crap
 
@Xeo I don't think you can easily separate the two. If something (even mildly) unpleasant needs to be done, people typically accept it a lot better from somebody they like than somebody they don't.
 
10:02 PM
@ScottW you forgot to. also, you were late
 
that's why puppy should be room owner again
 
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Hm.
 
everybody knows he's the pinnacle of friendliness to everybody.
 
@AlexM. It's not over. 2014 is the "year of code"
 
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@AlexM. s/Lady Gaga/rightfold/
 
10:03 PM
@DeadMG I agree. Sadly
 
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I need to get the base type of multiply-layered arrays...
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Sure. That's no way of judging the rightness / wrongness of an action, though.
 
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I am zero years old.
 
@Jefffrey jesus christ
 
@Xeo This isn't a question of right or wrong.
 
10:04 PM
@Xeo doesn't that make it irrelevant
 
Then it will be the "century of code", and programmers will all be screwed by carpenters coding their own stuff
 
@Jefffrey hint: they already do
 
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@Jefffrey aaahahah
 
I remember Apple doing one of those learn to code things too
 
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Yes, coding is pretty easy.
 
user1804599
10:04 PM
Now try to make software.
 
user3010322
int[][][] -> I need to reduce this to int. I wonder how I cna do tha twith templates...
 
Xeo
@ThePhD remove_all_extents
 
yes, I even took a screenshot
 
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@Xeo :O
 
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Magic!
 
Xeo
10:06 PM
it's a recursion on <T[]> : remove_all_extents<T> vOv
it's pretty trivial to implement
 
user3010322
this typename .... <typename... <typename< shit is getting out of hand. =/
 
@Jefffrey e.g. CNC G-Code and M-Code Programming WP
 
Hey guys, could someone test if my VPS works (aka gives you internet access)?
 
@rightfold It doesn't matter. They will make disposable pieces of "software".
Because reusability is overrated.
 
the G programming language sounds like something Nas would use
 
10:08 PM
@AlexM. ITT Alex is poor and can't afford a Sim(ulator?)
 
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@Gizmo sure.
 
@sehe simulator?
 
@Gizmo, don't trust him.
 
server: home.gz0.nl
user: public
password: public
:P
everyone may join
for a minute
or two
 
@Jefffrey Then they would be programmers, too
 
10:10 PM
i'm using the windows built in VPS server "incoming connection option" because I can't find any software for that
(which allows native windows clients)
 
Also who cares, this industry is not going to stop growing any time soon, while the requirements are getting harder to fill by the day
 
strong password
 
so yeah, let's try it
 
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@Gizmo Oh, not HTTP, meh. Not fun.
 
More people is better
Don't underestimate the value of experts either
 
10:10 PM
XD
no clients connected.. no one can connect?
oh
1 client
 
how the hell do you save a recipe from the food & drinks app in w8
 
record :)
 
user1804599
SSH does not work.
 
what's the point of it if you can't even bookmark a recipe for later
 
user1804599
Your server is shit.
 
10:11 PM
it's windows...
 
:lol:
 
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That’s what I just said: it’s shit.
 
> Nearly 50% of people would like to learn computer coding.
 
Besides more people should learn how to fucking think logically
 
Nope, they don't.
 
10:12 PM
yeah my friend is on a corporate network and I want to help him to get skype running
 
They just like to say they do.
 
because it's blocked
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this x100
 
Ask me about the wonders of automation and how literally everyone can benefit from it
Automation is Future
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I sincerely hope not
 
10:13 PM
The barrier to "learn computer coding" is so low that if you would like to learn it you will.
 
@CatPlusPlus automation is great, especially my latest project :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure.
 
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Q/A ratio 32/3. Meh.
 
The barrier is stupid people going "OH YEAH YOU NEED TO LEARN C/C++ TO CODE"
 
except windows is not really a nice system so making the project was much harder than expected
 
10:14 PM
ugh
 
wat
 
@CatPlusPlus I admit I was like that, you wanna code? do C++
but I don't know why
now I know C++ a bit here and there
 
it seems I was trying to save an article, not a recipe
 
It's like my father used to say: "it's not that I don't have time to read more books; it's that I have time for other stuff".
 
user1804599
I started with VBA and it was fun.
 
10:14 PM
but given the content it was no different from a recipe
wth
 
ok, no luck for my friend, I won't be able to use VPN on Windows
 
@CatPlusPlus the barrier is people misinforming other people; stupid people who shut up are not a danger
 
@Gizmo and that was to be expected.
Coding is only half the game
 
@AlexM. No?
The barrier is having access to a computer and the Internet.
 
yeah it was like 5% coding and 95% debugging
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
@sehe a quarter.
 
Just Internet is no good
 
@Gizmo with experience that can be roughly reversed. But deplyoment, configuration management, version compatibility etc. will alway s be the headaches
 
Nothing is no good.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nah. Need broadband for good pr0n
 
@sehe agreed, lucky me I do only projects for myself and a few friends to make LAN gaming easier
 
10:17 PM
Deployment can be entirely automated
 
And then you have automated headaches
 
Puppet/Chef is awesome
 
user3010322
Why is this... so hard.
 
It scales like crazy
 
This chat is.. eh.. addictive
 
10:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that an actual problem nowadays?
 
how did you guys make it like this?
 
@ThePhD Ask them.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's awesome as long as you have no variation. In which case, you could say you're not actually managing any configurations
 
@Gizmo It's my irresistible charm
 
@CatPlusPlus cute kitty :D
 
10:19 PM
@sehe You manage variations as part of the configuration
 
@Gizmo just matter of appointing the right owners, clearly o.O
 
@AlexM. Wow, quite the bubble you live in.
 
And it's all 100% reproducible
 
@sehe sounds reasonable :)
 
@AlexM. Though... why do you think I said "so low"?
 
10:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus IKR tell that if your app runs on Win/Lin/Mac/Android/iOS
 
You know a windows API sux when no-one on Stack Overflow even bothers to comment on a question using it.. xD
 
Oh, did I mention AIX 5.3 PP64, Win2003 64, Tru64, HP/UX?
 
CI and a lot of VMs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes missed the "so low" part, huh
 
@CatPlusPlus ^ headaches
 
10:20 PM
Not really
 
@Gizmo Happens all the time.
 
I don't know much outside my country, that's the bubble I live in I guess
 
@sehe You do?
 
These things really scale well
 
@DeadMG yup, and last time while making my project I evne pointed out a bug in boost! I don't know how I should feel but somehow great xD
 
10:21 PM
@AlexM. So basically my point is that if you say "I would like to learn to program" and don't do it, you're lying.
 
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Does Chef work on Debian and Gentoo?
 
@CatPlusPlus Just throwing lots of time, effort, money and caution at it doesn't reduce the problem. It makes it manageable. My claim was that this is a considerable part of creating/maintaining software. I'd say, the coding is the easy part.
@CatPlusPlus Since when did scaling matter for most applications
@rightfold of course. Given enough scripts
 
I mean mental scaling
 
I find coding quite hard.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh lol. That was obvious
 
10:23 PM
@Jefffrey if you use windows api, then I agree
 
@Gizmo Link or it didn't happen
 
@sehe I think it was you who said it's a bug
but let me look it up
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds fair
 
I pointed it, you found it XD stackoverflow.com/questions/23681439/…
 
I think the best part of the Year of Code thing is Lottie Dexter's resemblance to Jen from the IT Crowd.
 
10:24 PM
and just to avoid more bugs I switched to JSON
 
@DeadMG I think so. You may have screwed up on a number of occasions, but in an odd way, I think it's clear you earned some respect in this room.
@Gizmo Hah. I don't pay much attention to who's asking :S Never noticed that
 
No problem, you probably answer so much questions, I totaly wouldn't too
 
@Gizmo That's not really gonna change the bug chance, I think. Just maybe the chance of them having been fixed. But personally I'd not consider ptree for JSON
 
@sehe I needed something to store my configs in, and I think ini is awful, windows registry is not an option (portability), so I was thinking about using boost, and the only thing I know about boost to save/load configs is JSON and INFO with PTREE xD
 
@Gizmo In fairness, it's only a "bug" if the limitation isn't documented anywhere in the library. And even then, it could well be a documentation bug
@Gizmo Yeah, if you want to stick with "vanilla boost" (lol - that's a thing, now?) then ptree is your best bet
 
user1804599
10:28 PM
Gonna try Puppet tomorrow.
 
@sehe hm, true, anyhow - my program doesn't break anymore
and yeah I have only vanilla boost, didn't even know there are much other options? xD (although I know there are 3rd party sites which provide extra libraries to integrate into boost)
 
@Gizmo although, I think boost propertytree comes with a full rapidxml header-only implementation (just saying; I'd still use PugiXML in preference). It's prolly an implementation detail, though
 
Nothing against XML but I reallyyy don't like it :P
 
@Gizmo I mean, you don't want to use other libs
 
@sehe well I like using other libs, if they do what I want, but I'm lazy sometimes and I use what I have (I hate installing, configuring paths, making things work, read documentation, etc)
 
10:31 PM
@Gizmo Of course not. But if you "like" Boost Property, or JSON, or both (eeeek!) then I'm not sure what's worse
@Gizmo Just use Chef!
 
never used json in my life, it just looks nice so I used it XD
 
I agree. JSON hits a sweet spot.
It has its warts (but those come with the territory, mostly: serialization/data exchange)
I need to be going to bed.
 
@sehe gonna take a look, Chef.. C++ Chef.. first result codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/46547/chef-and-digits
 
Night all
 
alright, good night
 
user3010322
10:32 PM
This is really hard... I enver thought I'd have this much trouble...
 
so, someone else, where to get "Chef" ?
What is hard?
(i know many things which are hard.. xD)
 
@HamZa hehe, good one :)
 
Just when I was about to post a constructive answer to the question about finding something in an array it got closed:
 
10:34 PM
@DietmarKühl ahww, I feel sorry! :P
 
@DietmarKühl I hate when that happens. linky?
 
I think, this answer would have been cute although useless for the the guy asking:
auto find = [](auto& array, auto const& value) {
return std::end(array) != std::find(std::begin(array), std::end(array), value);
};
 
but ye, lot's of closed questions
which I always google
hit
and use the answers
 
@DietmarKühl most of the times it's worth closing. So why did you not vote for closure?
 
@DietmarKühl why a boolean function?
 
10:35 PM
because I first wanted to post an answer ;)
@sehe: because that was the request.
 
repfarm alarm?
 
meh, I'd preffer a better and extended answer than quick-first-post
 
@HamZa poetry bigotry? (or rhyme time?)
 
@sehe It's my sheer animal magnetism. All those who gaze upon me cannot but know my glory.
 
@DietmarKühl want a first answer somewere? here, try this
 
10:36 PM
kinda like SHODAN, really.
 
it will break your head? xD
 
program requires lib which has built-in tests which require some dll with testing functionality; program says dll is missing when ran
 
I don't care much about reps.
 
@sehe sleep time monsieur bear
 
my guess this is because the lib requires the testing stuff
 
10:37 PM
@DeadMG meh. I never gaze upon people. Not even avatars
 
am I right or is something else amiss?
the program used to run fine before
 
but daisy so cute and sleepy!
 
@sehe woooot, you writing from your dreams? :O TEACH ME MASTER
 
@DeadMG I always think there's something with a messy tie in that avatar.
 
or first answers. ... and since I'm not a Windows guy, that question about ivdsDrive isn't for me.
 
10:38 PM
@sehe It's her bark collar :P
 
@DeadMG Actually, it's the legs. And somehow I think there's a red tie in the avatar.
 
@DietmarKühl yup, those guys who make those programs and documentation at microsoft.. some are good but most of them I would personally like to bang their head against a wall three or more times depending on the stupidness :(
 
Don't ask me how. Why. I'm just bad at visuals
 
@Borgleader yup, true friends :') forever
 
user3010322
10:40 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
IT BUUUUUUIIILDS
 
@ThePhD now it has to run
 
user3010322
Hush.
 
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All that matters is the build.
 
user3010322
Build is love. Build is life.
 
@ThePhD yeah, just build the car but don't make sure it drives :')
 
user1804599
10:41 PM
If it builds, ship it.
 
I've seen a few shopping sites which had such errors that you couldn't buy anything
I wonder how long it took to notice that revenue went to 0
 
user3010322
I'm not so sure I like that.
 
same
 
user3010322
Google+ integration, here we go.. <_>
 
user3010322
10:47 PM
But aside from that, Google had its hand firmly in storage.
 
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Not streaming.
 
user3010322
Or at least, not live-streaming, anyhow.
 
Google hangouts, now powered by twitch.tv :P
 
user3010322
Ugh.
 
user3010322
Who's the competition, now?
 
10:48 PM
Twitch is getting crappier and crappier
 
ustream? waiit i think that died
 
still, won't beat facebook buying whatsapp..
for how much again?
 
too much
 
like they couldn't write their own mobile chat service
haha
 
10:50 PM
well they didnt buy whatsapp for the app, they bought whatsapp for its user base
 
oh, didn't know that
well, like I care
I know it's monitored chat
xD
ooh
yeah that was to be expected too
the reason
then resell to government
 
'kay, moved tests in their own project
it works now
 
because last time somehow on whatsapp a guy said the'll bomb something
next day police showed up
explaining to them that it was about a game and looking them in the faces
nice facial expressions
 
oh no! you can't talk about doing things like that here! now we are all indicated and police will show up!
 
D:
run!
 
10:54 PM
I can't run. Maybe I can hide (although I guess I'm too fat for that, either)
 
if police won't get you, facebook will
 
It's good that people who plan to bomb things are stupid enough to brag about it on the internet
Makes stopping them before they do any damage way easier
 
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