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1:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That would explain the colourful cast of characters.
 
@AlexM. wow ... thats strike 3 today
probably time to shoot myself
 
Hmm.
 
@Wardy Can I help?
 
If I do import X (D), with D being a data type, does it automatically import all D's class instances defined in X?
(in Haskell)
 
@Wardy jump in there and ask your questions
 
1:01 PM
@Somberdon probably safer not to ask anything else since @AlexM. just proved me retarded
 
Mick's online it seems so he'll solve the problem in -0.5 seconds
 
oh god not mick
lol
he loves to insult me
 
@Wardy If it's any consolation, you're still doing better than the rednecks over here.
 
can't blame him
but he's smart
and you need smart people when solving problems
not people who tell you how awesome you are
 
yeh no luck in here
lol
 
1:02 PM
well he's smart and he loves to show it
I'm sure there are smarter people around who don't like to show it
 
Don't we all, from time to time.
 
Do we know where in Berlin is the unconference going to be?
 
@AlexM. are you named differently in game dev?
theres an Alex over there
or is that another Alex
 
that's another alex
not sure I want to go back there tbh
 
dont like it in there any more?
was i not there to keep the peace?
 
1:09 PM
@jalf There was some chatter about specific plans but I'm not sure whether it's on the wiki
 
or "take the shit"
 
@jalf Ask Robot for an invite to the Slack chat; more details are in that chat's history
 
now that the extra moderators came in, Mick's normally going to be shut up if he starts insulting anyone
that's just meh
 
in fact I just realised I haven't looked yet to see what the comments were there on the weekend's lounge shenanigans ;p
 
oh really ... they finally sorted the language out over there?
wow
 
1:09 PM
well, more than that
anyway, I'm hungry
I got some tirolese cheese thingy yesterday and I want to see how good it is with toasted bread
also I slept for almost 15 hours today
sometimes I wonder how I manage to pull it off
 
BTW you should vote for me guise --------->
 
hmmm, I dunno
maybe if you used that victoria justice avatar?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I did vote.
 
Ah, wth, I'm nice enough to throw my vote in.
You don't seem like the biggest ass in the room. Lol.
 
1:19 PM
what's up with the race (is this a pun?) for owner though?
 
related to that thing that happened before?
 
got it
 
I'm sorry I'm new to this chat. But this question is marked as a duplicate of "Why can templates only be implemented in the header file?" by mistake I think.
 
1:21 PM
I think you might be right
 
@Constructor yeh you should be sorry for being new ... lol ... random !!!
 
@Constructor fixed
 
@Constructor that's hardly related to this chat though, is it? :)
We're not admins or anything like that
 
uh oh
 
We're slackers
 
1:22 PM
@jalf With the new gold badge powers, we effectively are. I just re-opened that question on my own.
 
yeh this room should renamed "all slackers gather here"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you there?
 
Robot's in hiding
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thank you.
 
@Constructor You are welcome.
 
1:23 PM
@Wardy I would normally honour that suggestion, but...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit huh, interesting. :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I hoped that new power allows "gold" users not only to close but to reopen, too.
 
@Constructor Yepper
 
That said, this room still isn't an official contact point for admin/moderator issues. The fact that we have a number of users with high rep in C++ doesn't mean this room is part of official SO support. ;)
 
shrug
Don't think anybody said it was :)
 
1:27 PM
@jalf OK, I'll I take this into account.
 
:)
 
I feel like this went well
 
@Constructor by the way, when responding to someone else, click the little arrow thing on the right side of their message, instead of just typing @theirname
then your message will be linked directly to theirs with a little arrow linky thing
makes it easier for people to follow the conversation
 
user1804599
Wunderbar.
 
user1804599
Structural self types work with multiple mixins that together satisfy the required interface.
 
1:30 PM
oh good
 
@jalf It is interesting, thank you. I read FAQ of the chat but it was nothing about it there (or I inattentively read it).
 
heh, in other news, bahn.de's danish site is pretty badly translated :)
 
god bless drugs
 
@Constructor There's a link to rules in bold on your right.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thank you, I'll read it.
 
1:46 PM
quiet here today
 
I'm up to a whole 9 of 128 tests passed.
 
@DeadMG wow epic
you did more than i did today
lol
 
I'm dog-cuddling.
poor Daisy needs attenshun.
 
cheese is awesome
cheese is the supreme type of food
 
1:57 PM
are you a cheese supremacist? :o
 
yes
I'm Alex Cheestler
 
This is a great SE site:
-.-
> edx-cs169-1x Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for students of BerkeleyX CS169.1x: Engineering Software as a Service
 
wtf
 
what makes a wpf control render in designtime?
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sounds like a great way to do class Q&A, to be honest.
 
2:02 PM
maybe if they had an independent SE. doesn't belong in the network though IMO
 
user3010322
Fuckin' boss.
 
user3010322
strided_array_view is now working as intended.
 
user3010322
Finally.
 
Boss comments on previous technical lead's Facebook "I miss you". Fuck you
 
user3010322
Wait, what?
 
user3010322
2:06 PM
Did the boss fire that person?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe it's just personal and not professional.
 
user3010322
Hm. Guys, question about std::rank and specializing it.
 
can't overload
use ADL instead
 
user3010322
It's a type_trait
 
ah.
so you meant "specialize" instead of "overload"
 
user3010322
2:12 PM
Oh, yeah.
 
user3010322
Lemme fix that.
 
user3010322
std::rank<int[][]>::value == 2 makes sense, and helps me with my code. What I want to know is if I should adapt this to things like buffer_view
 
user3010322
E.g. std::rank<buffer_view<T, 2>>::value == 2 ?
 
doesn't the proposal state that you should or shouldn't do that?
 
user3010322
It doesn't give any provisions for that.
 
2:13 PM
then don't.
 
user3010322
Well, the proposal also forgets to put a origin argument on strided_array_view's constructorfor sectioning
 
user3010322
So I'm beginning to think they didn't think of everything.
 
then email the authors and ask them
 
sbi
If you wonder how to dispose of old HDs so that they aren't readable, here's how to do it using Thermite. The text is in German, but you get the idea from the pictures. (You do not get much if the safety warnings, though, so I translate them for you: Thermite heats to 23kC and thus melts through pretty much everything. Beware!)
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Requires effort. I can just make adjustments as necessary.
 
user3010322
2:17 PM
Besides, I can maybe even check prior art on this: does std::array<std::array<T, n>, m> have a rank of 2? Does std::array<T, n> even have a rank of 1? I should check...
 
no, they don't
but frankly, it's probably not stupid at all.
it depends on what std::rank is meant for.
 
user3010322
> If T is an array type, provides the member constant value equal to the number of dimensions of the array. For any other type, value is 0.
 
user3010322
I understand std::array isn't strictly C++'s array type,
 
well there you go then.
 
user3010322
2:20 PM
but making it so C arrays are the only ones that can play in this ocean is kind of retarded.
 
that really depends on where std::rank is used.
for example, it's quite possible that for other types, functionality can be provided through ADL, and rank is only needed for prim arrays.
a simple example would be begin/end, it's not stupid that you don't need std::begin(std::array<T, N>).
 
user3010322
std::rank shouldn't be the overload that triggers that, though
 
user3010322
There's std::is_array
 
er, there doesn't need to be any type trait for it, ADL and OR will suffice on their own.
it's just an example of a behaviour where UDTs don't need extra special cases and prim arrays do.
 
user3010322
Mmm. I see.
 
2:24 PM
@Wardy i got the answer for this question after some tests.
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Q: How do i make access tomcat resource with this client program?

overexchangeI am able to access resource from tomcat server using below URL from my browser, http://localhost:8080/test/file1.xml Request header: Status Code:200 OK Request Headersview parsed GET /test/file1.xml HTTP/1.1 Host: localhost:8080 Connection: keep-alive Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,...

 
especially as there's std::extent which serves, AFAIK, a nearly identical function.
 
user3010322
std::extent gets the size of dimension X
 
so it would not surprise me if std::rank is only useful for prim arrays.
 
user3010322
and returns 0 when there is no dimension (but only works on... primitive arrays).
 
user3010322
Which, std::extent should work only on primitive arrays because they're compile-time sized.
 
user3010322
2:25 PM
( It should also work on std::array, because it's compile-time sized )
 
@overexchange cool ... as long as you got it :)
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
I'll just write my own rank
 
2:26 PM
don't see what benefit you're expecting to see here.
nobody can treat prim arrays and other types interchangably even in generic code anyway
so there's little value in the type traits being flexible when the entire language isn't.
 
What is rank, the number of dimensions?
 
user3010322
Number of dimensions, yeah.
 
user3010322
And extent is the compile-time size of that dimension.
 
Why would one ever want to know the rank of an array in generic code?
 
user3010322
A person writing a library that spends a lot of time working with multidimensional anything?
 
user3010322
2:28 PM
Or that just deals strictly with a shitton of arrays?
 
1 min ago, by DeadMG
nobody can treat prim arrays and other types interchangably even in generic code anyway
 
user3010322
operator[] is inherit on a lot of things, so that statement isn't exactly true.
 
user3010322
I would expect, however, generic code written for int[] to work with std::array<int, N>
 
they're gonna get a bunch of nasty surprises when one behaves totally differently to the other in virtually every situation then
 
urios what the challenges of introducing coroutines to a language like C++ would be, do you think that would make a good SO question?
 
user1804599
2:42 PM
Fuck you Java.
 
user1804599
OutputStream y u no interface.
 
@jalf What\s up?
 
@rightfold that would be a less broken abstraction.
 
user1804599
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sign me up for the unconference. :)
 
2:45 PM
Nice.
 
user3010322
OHHOOOOO
 
user3010322
JALF IS INNN
 
Is your e-mail jalf at your doamin?
 
Also, is it planned to be an all day thing, and do we know anything about where in Berlin it's going to be?
 
user3010322
Damnit now I really want to go.
 
2:46 PM
mail at that :)
 
user3010322
@jalf It's going to be in Robot's.... bedroom. <3
 
@jalf Sent you an invite to Slack.
 
yay
 
sbi
3:10 PM
> I wonder whether you can spot the typo in this ebook...? (via @rhysmorgan) pic.twitter.com/cNxFpeGIrQ – Barnaby Edwards
LOL!
That must be some pretty interesting anatomy they are sporting there.
 
user3010322
ROFLMAO.
 
user3010322
Oh god, now I'm imagining heads stuck in inappropriate places.
 
user3010322
Fuck my brain. xD
 
sbi
Here, have some BrainBleachâ„¢.
 
dat anus
 
user3010322
3:12 PM
@sbi On the bright side, it's a whole new meaning to "Giving Head".
 
sbi
 
user3010322
A... big white block?
 
sbi
Damn. How'd that happen?
 
Too much bleach.
 
user3010322
Haha.
 
user3010322
3:14 PM
Still a big white block.
 
user3010322
Screenshot protection?
 
user3010322
Ah, there it is.
 
sbi
TIL: You cannot upload BMPs to imgur. Well, you can, but they appear, uh, overexposed.
 
they're probably too young to have ever heard of a BMP
 
Man, I still feel tired.
 
user3010322
3:17 PM
Try rolling.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What did you do?
 
user3010322
Queesstiion.
 
user3010322
template <std::size_t nrank>
bool operator== ( const bounds<nrank>& left, const bounds<nrank>& right ) {
    /* Perform complex operations and shit */
}
 
user3010322
^ Is the above function definition illegal if bounds is only forward declared?
 
user3010322
(Not defined) ?
 
3:20 PM
fucking hell, I have to make a windows vm and install sql server on it
to do some bullshit assignments
because our college staff is too incompetent to be able to put up some remote service for us
 
@AlexM. just get a free azure account then put up a free vm on the cloud
micorsoft will do it all for you in minutes
itll be limited in size but as its coursework should be big enough for what you need
 
great, more accounts
 
most people already have a microsoft account
 
I think a winxp vm is the way to go
 
besides ... creating an account has to be faster than creating a vm
or you can download trial vms directly from microsoft
 
3:23 PM
and how do I use microsoft's vm?
 
they usually come in a virtual pc format
so you'll have to setup the free virtual pc vm app
 
great, more apps to install
 
@sbi Yesterday I spent the morning driving, and the evening washing dishes.
 
its a bit like vbox from oracle
 
I already use vmware player
 
3:23 PM
@AlexM. stop whining
you should be able to find a xp vm
 
it even runs OS X at full speed for me
 
for vmware
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahuh. And what did you do?
 
how hard could it be
 
I'm not whining
I just don't like your solution
you're whining because I'm not doing as you say
fuck off :)
 
3:24 PM
@sbi I already explained :S
 
lol
ok
 
Washing dishes from for three hours straight is tiresome and my back wants to kill me.
 
sbi
@ThePhD As usually, I can't quote the standard, but I suppose that it must be defined when the template is instantiated (rather than on first encounter by the compiler). ICBWT.
 
user3010322
I'll just compile it on GCC and see if it explodes.
 
user3010322
MSVC would accept anything in a template so long as the template isn't instantiated.
 
3:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Get a dishwasher
 
@CatPlusPlus He has one- himself.
 
I'm amazed by the amount of drama and ~~serious discussions~~ over literally nothing btw
 
welcome to lounge
 
user3010322
SCARLEETTTTT
 
user3010322
y raytracing so hard. :c
 
3:41 PM
 
user3010322
I'd be in scarlett's fanclub if I could.
 
not sure
I have been recently losing my sanity over the fact that I run on the GPU
and over the fact that Tuesday is the day I'll ask a very special person out :P
 
@ScarletAmaranth Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
gl
 
so
 
sbi
You should try running on the grass. Much better for your feet and ankles.
 
3:43 PM
who wants to bet how fast Daisy will run if I get off my ass?
it's food time
 
will you fart first? :P
 
I just did.
but she's on my bed not on my lap and the windows are open so I'm not expecting a reaction there.
 
@Borgleader I'll need that
 
sbi
 
user3010322
Troll ad is troll.
 
sbi
3:46 PM
Funeral service. ^
 
Natural selection
 
the starboard is a poll now? =/
 
I question the integrity of that poll but w/e
 
sbi
@Somberdon See this.
@Borgleader This is an old technique we invented years ago.
 
@CatPlusPlus The "integrity"?
 
3:49 PM
I mean it should be regular-only, any random schmuck that's never been in the room can vote like that
I provisionally vote no, unless you pledge to stop being racist and Very Serious About Chat :v
 
FWIW I voted and I'm not quite a regular
not only that
but I also voted both because they switched position when I clicked and didn't realize it
and you can't unstar apparently
 
:lol:
 
You should be able to unstar
 
there's a link for it but it had no effect
 
Weird, perhaps try refreshing after clicking?
 
3:53 PM
I did
so you guys are stuck with my worthless double vote
 
sbi
4 hours ago, by sbi
I think @Xeos idea is a good one, although when the owner rules where set into stone in this room (some of you were still spoon-fed pup by their mum back then), we explicitly mentioned that the current owners should (more or less) unanimously agree that a potential candidate is a good choice. And for good reason, I believe.
So we guys are stuck with you worthles....CARRIER LOST. Shit.
 
Supposedly ~the platform~ is making new owner powers
 
@sbi how do companies handle interviews of potential candidates who would have to relocate for the position?
 
it depends on the companies
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Differently.
 
3:55 PM
some will do phone interviews all the way
some will do a phone interview at first then ask you to come by for a full interview
some will pay for it
 
user3010322
Mmm. This is going to be... interesting.
 
so it shouldn't (in theory) happen that they hire you, you move to a different city / country and then you do not get hired / get fired in 4 weeks :)?
 
sbi
Here in Germany, a 6 months probation is the norm. During that time, both side can cancel the contract any time with immediate effect.
 
well hopefully they don't
you would really have to fuck up badly to get fired within your first month imo
 
fair enough; thanks
 
user3010322
3:58 PM
Hm....
 
but yeah, the idea is that you don't have to relocate before you know if you get the job
 
user3010322
I need to continually recurse down this until I get somewhere.
 
user3010322
Also, int[0] is entirely illegal, right?
 
in which context?
 
user3010322
All the contexts.
 
3:59 PM
it's illegal but there are extensions that allow it under certain circumstances
 
user3010322
Passing it down a function.
 

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