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7:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, that
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's my nick
oh I should change name btw
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek To Nolwenn Le Guenn.
 
cicada > gyenn
 
@BartekBanachewicz Used already
I'll find something for @rightfold
 
hm abyx came into the room and "Lightness 'no' counter" jumped to 20
 
7:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
but I voted long before
 
@Abyx that would mean using bcp again and I cba
 
btw I wonder how many people voted for both options
 
interesting notion
 
user1804599
Cool Backbone workz.
 
sbi
@Abyx Whatever the outcome, the decision is definitive very controversial. I doubt that this would be a good thing, even should he have more Yes votes than No.
(Of course I am being suggestive and manipulative here. Feel free to point it out. What I say is true nevertheless, though.)
 
7:09 PM
I'd like to point out you stepped from the room owner's role yourself.
 
sbi
Yes, I did. And since yesterday I did so twice. Why are you pointing this out?
 
@sbi yeah I also think that if it's be 21:20 for - it'd mean 20 people are against it.
btw, references > pointers.
 
@sbi somebody has to be a room owner. Be it better of worse, kingdoms need kings.
@Abyx I wonder how many "no" votes would other owners gather.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I know. (There's 11 of them now, BTW, so it's plenty of kings already.) I just don't understand where the urge came from to point this out to me after I said what i said.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's irrelevant here
 
7:12 PM
@sbi well, you encouraged it, sorta :)
 
I'm not sure why there's so much fuss about being room owner here
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz That's an interesting question. I'd support you setting up a vote!
 
Why do we need to fill that position anyway?
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek You can't let just anybody bring the Meta police down on you.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Encouraged what?
 
7:13 PM
@sbi oh quite the contrary, I don't really care, mostly because they are doing a good job.
 
it has to be a democratically elected representative.
 
sbi
@presiuslitelsnoflek That would make you a pretty good candidate in my eyes.
 
@sbi I get banned far too often to be a room owner
Also, I'm not regular enough
 
@sbi pointing out hypothethical biases in what you said about Lightness becoming an owner. At least that's how I understood it.
 
Anyway just put DeadMG back in one week when everyone will have forgotten about the vagina issues and we'll all be fine
 
sbi
7:15 PM
@DeadMG No, it doesn't. This is a queer mix of anarchy and despotism, and it has worked well this way for quite a few years – despite some pressure from outside. Democracy would just make it bureaucratic.
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek That's pretty curable. A little laxative, and you'll be as regular as a clock.
 
anyways. it's all for good. now we know how one can stop being a room owner. he should just change room name to Lounge 8===> Vagina and wait
 
or say "nanana"
 
@rightfold Wait, are you talking about the JavaScript Backbone?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
7:15 PM
@minitech most certainly
 
=(
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, Jerry. Which one would you recommend?
 
user1804599
=)
 
@Abyx If you don't want to be a room owner, it's pretty easy to just take yourself off the list.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean, "hypothetical"? I mean, I kicked him out as soon as I had understood the situation.
 
7:16 PM
You’re going to make whatever it is properly accessible, though… right?
 
@JerryCoffin too boring
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek I have no opinion. To the best of my recollection, I've never used one.
 
@JerryCoffin Clearly, that's just not my style.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin You're far to relaxed about that.
 
7:18 PM
@DeadMG You seem to have misspelled: "I have no style".
@sbi Being relaxed is why I don't need them.
 
user image
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lol Perl bashing
 
sbi
> I sneezed earlier and Siri compiled it to valid Perl. – I Am Devloper
 
> devloper
 
sbi
Oh, I never noticed that!
 
devLoper
 
7:25 PM
Took me a while, as well.
 
sbi
LOL, 26 women, lovers of Italian catholic priests pledge to the pope to end the celibate.
 
That will never happen, unfortunately.
Nice try, though.
Maybe they should switch to protestantism instead.
 
sbi
It would be the priests who'd have to switch.
 
user1804599
 
7:35 PM
> No thank you. I prefer my priests to be celibate. It's a sacrifice worthy of the priesthood. These women are selfish....and it's not all about them.
:lol:
 
@rightfold such comments
 
whoa
I did something that worked
 
@Jefffrey Never say never. Unlike previous popes (recent ones, anyway) this one has at least admitted that celibacy is a church tradition, not some sort of requirement handed down by God, graven on stone tablets on the mountain.
 
I remember seeing a post about how to make strong types in C++ using tags, that would help this guy, if any of you sees what I'm saying
 
as if that differs from any other requirement stated by the Church
 
7:42 PM
IIRC it was about tagging float to make distinct celsius and fahrenheit types.
 
@DeadMG I think you missed the point. The emphasis here was on admitted.
 
fair enough.,
 
user1804599
Use F#. It has units of measurement.
 
#include "EngineMath.h"

int main(int argc, char** argv)
{
	Math::Vec2f a(0.1f, 0.1f);
	std::cout << a.X << std::endl;
	std::cin.get();
	return 0;
}
hooray, it actually works :D
uh my header was initially Math.h but then I discovered there's already a math.h included by iostream and I got all sorts of errors
 
user3010322
Yeah.
 
7:45 PM
I renamed the header; would there have been a better solution?
 
user3010322
There is no better solution, especially on Windows systems.
 
user3010322
Window systems are case-insensitive to file names.
 
alrighty then
 
user3010322
So calling something "string.h" or "math.h" explodes the system.
 
user3010322
7:47 PM
Who cut her nose up?
 
@JerryCoffin Where did you read that?
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey It's in the article.
 
@ThePhD It's "We promise, dudes, she's totally an alien who happens to look virtually entirely human" makeup.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery well as puppy said they are not really typedefs. Tagged integral/simple type wrappers.
da hell that nick
 
@ThePhD I cannot find any other source to that.
 
7:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes that's what I meant
 
sbi
In Stockholm, fare-dodgers have an insurance that pays if they get caught, and it takes in twice as much as it has to pay.
 
@ThePhD Thats from Keeping up with the Kardashians's the plastic surgeon botched my nose job episode.
:P
 
hello back_inserter, we meet again
 
user3010322
Lmao.
 
@BartekBanachewicz /cc @sehe
 
7:53 PM
@sbi I always thought that fares for such transport were silly and mostly impacted the less-well-off in society.
 
user3010322
Well, it's not a built-in tax.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Well, costs have to be covered somehow, but there's calculations that communities could actually save money by making public transport free. AFAIK there's a few towns in Germany which do just that.
 
well, obviously the system cannot be run for free, you have to pay somehow.
 
neat, I can also run tests now
 
sbi
@DeadMG Public transport is a public service, like parks, education, roads, etc. It's what taxes were invented for. And all those ticket vending machines, gates, and people trying to catch dodgers cost money, too. Plus, if public transport is free and ubiquitous, more people use it and less people use their cars, which reduces costs for other public services, too.
 
7:58 PM
there was a city where public transit became free
and it was a spectacular failure
 
@sbi I concur.
 
don't remember the city name though
@sbi yeah 'cept it doesn't work in practice
 
meh
a single city is no proof of anything.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The article doesn't describe it as a spectacular failure at all.
> Rannar is not alone. More than 10,000 people registered as Tallinn residents in 2013, nearly three times more than registered in 2012. They contribute new annual revenues of about €10 million — almost as much as the lost farebox revenue of €12 million. “If all the registrants were taxpayers,” says Deputy Mayor Aas, “then the project costs of free transportation would be covered.”
this kinda suggests that actually, it was a pretty good success.
 
8:02 PM
I read that as Deputy Mayor Ass >.<
 
they increased their tax takein by nearly as much as the extra cost.
 
sbi
> Before, there were 40,000 unregistered residents of Tallinn, meaning that they lived in the city but were paying taxes to another town where they had previously lived. Now, free transit is an incentive for those people to register and get on Tallinn’s tax rolls.
 
Not to mention that less drivers could lead to less car crashes.
 
> In their analysis, free pricing accounted for increased demand of only 1.2 percent.
 
I don't see how that's a spectacular failure.
 
8:05 PM
^
 
free pricing isn't supposed to be about increasing demand.
 
I've read more recent article in polish that summed it up as a failure.
 
that article makes it sound like it worked very well
it helped the disadvantaged, it increased demand even if not much, and the increased tax practically paid for the whole loss.
 
> Whether that decision was worth it is a question that will take more time to answer. In 2014, researchers hope to gain more insight into free transit’s impact on the local economy
 
Maybe driving schools would pay a little.
 
8:08 PM
fuck this shit. clang doesn't work with libstdc++ from gcc 4.9
 
sbi
I agree that I wasn't up to date on the subject (I had heard about the towns trying this, but not about them failing), but, given that the first thing everybody says is "this can't work because PT has to be paid for", that the question whether it works still remains open after a year IMO is a positive surprise.
 
> cout << "did I get this far?" << endl;
 
sbi
282
A: Why is "using namespace std;" considered bad practice?

sbiI agree with everything Greg wrote, but I'd like to add: It can even get worse than Greg said! Library Foo 2.0 could introduce a function Quux() that is an unambiguously better match for some of your calls too Quux() than the bar::Quux() your code called for years. Then your code still compiles...

 
> Microsoft C++ exception: Range_error at memory location 0x0034f0a4
Microsoft?
 
user3010322
Lol
 
user3010322
8:11 PM
Get fucked.
 
Warning 1 warning C4239: nonstandard extension used : 'argument' : conversion from 'std::basic_ofstream<char,std::char_traits<char>>' to 'std::ostream &'
 
@DeadMG here
 
@Jefffrey What?
 
what the hell is that?
can't I convert from ofstream& to ostream&?
@DeadMG you'd know.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The argument suggests that it was an rvalue.
 
sbi
8:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's probably the dreaded rvalue to lvalue conversion VC allows.
 
uh what now
 
@Jefffrey It's just an ABI name. Itanium does the same.
 
to_lvalue?
or is it unsafe in this context?
 
no
don't pass an rvalue to a function expecting an lvalue reference.
that's the bads.
 
gosh uh I just want to write to a file
what do I do.
 
8:13 PM
python
 
haskell
 
eh
take an rvalue reference?
 
I'd do it in haskell but fucking unicode
 
or const reference?
 
@DeadMG you're kidding right
@DeadMG can I write to const ostream&?
 
8:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No. You want to refer to an rvalue, so..
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz You do not create temporary streams.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno.
 
@sbi now how exactly is { ofstream ofs("shit"); f(ofs); } better :S
 
try it
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Do not pass around const streams. They are pretty useless.
 
user3010322
8:14 PM
Lmao.
 
@sbi yeah that was pretty much the point of the question
 
user3010322
const streams.
 
user3010322
"So, can I write to- NO!" "Okay, how about rea- NO!"
 
but then again, won't the temporary stream live long enough?
 
user3010322
"Can I- NO!"
 
8:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, it will.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Data.ByteString v0v
 
that's why I said, just use an rvalue ref.
 
In this case asking for rvalue reference is ok
@DeadMG okay, have your bone back.
 
cool
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz You may not bind an rvalue to a non-const lvalue reference. That's a decision Stroustrup made decades ago. Period.
 
8:15 PM
I can has ownership then?
 
@BartekBanachewicz But then you can't pass lvalues.
 
@sbi And for good reason, I might add.
@FredOverflow Overload?
 
@FredOverflow ofstream &&& it is then
 
frankly you can just do
 
8:16 PM
can I template on the number of &? :P
 
T f(ostream&) { /* impl */ } T f(ostream&& ref) { return f(ref); }.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You can, but overloading is simpler here.
 
template<int n> f (std::ostream ampersands<n> o);
 
user3010322
Lmao.
 
8:17 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what is that?
 
@Jefffrey an attempt to be funny
 
and then static_if on n
 
no!
 
@DeadMG eh, compiles without warnings so it's good enough for now. I'll save that tidbit with the overloads for later though, thanks.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Read up on Meyers' "Universal References".
 
8:18 PM
@AndyProwl lol. hi Andy :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz hey :)
 
static_if bad, bad boy, stop that right away
 
lol
 
sbi
Anyway, I'm outta here. Good night!
 
night
 
8:18 PM
gnight ape.
 
@sbi good night.
 
@FredOverflow I've laughed in the inside.
 
@Jefffrey actually, add_ampersands<std::ostream, n>::type could theoretically compile :D
 
yeah, much better
 
@ThePhD is so quiet because he's writing it as we speak
 
user3010322
8:20 PM
Uh.
 
user3010322
What's the point?
 
With n > 2 it quickly becomes redundant, no?
 
murica.com
 
okey I'll stop with unfunny jokes about rvalue references
 
user3010322
8:23 PM
AWW SHIT
 
user3010322
LET THE INTERNAL COMPILER ERRORS AND TEMPLATE SHENANIGANS BEGGIIINNN
 
user3010322
Failed to specialize function template
 
user3010322
Thanks for being specific about why, faggot compiler.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery no gif
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery could we put that in the room description?
 
8:24 PM
@Jefffrey yes gif
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery, oh you changed name
 
1 message moved to bin
 
:lol:
 
@JerryCoffin You communist
 
user3010322
8:25 PM
I still see presius litel snoflek
 
@ThePhD reload
 
He grew up.
He is not litel anymore.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery I'm a dictator, not a communist.
2
 
user3010322
Dictators Communists SAME THING
 
user3010322
IT"S ALL BLOODY EVIL SOCIALISM AND GODDAMN SOVIET RUSSIA
 
8:26 PM
May 8 at 20:20, by Cat Plus Plus
New here? Praise the Sun and read the Law.
 
@ThePhD Not at all. I openly admit I'm a dictator.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery PRASE THE FUCKING SUN, YOU HERETIC
 
I played UberSoldier 2, it was like $1 or something on Steam
I've never seen such a slow FPS in my whole life
one of the enemies took 5+ seconds to throw a grenade at me
it was as if nobody had the will to kill me
 
8:34 PM
ITT a program is a "he". — Jefffrey 18 secs ago
 
@Jefffrey Not all languages have a neutral pronoun
 
Nice one. +10 points.
 
It's just the OP not using engrish carectly
 
Romanian doesn't have a neutral pronoun
but it has this retarded way to say a person's got married depending on that person's genre
there's basically no other difference between the two forms
but if you mix them up, you look retarded
 
It's funny because modern latin languages don't have neutral pronouns while latin used to have
Anyway off to bread~
 
8:42 PM
Nit~
 
I've baked some chocolate cake
it's very yummy and soft
and spongy, yum
 
fuck you
 
looks somewhat like a brownie
 
high quality too wtf
 
it's the best thing I can do with a microwave, and I'm not necessarily trying to brag here but the taste really is great
so far I've impressed everyone I gave the cake to try
personally I stopped buying chocolate cakes from the shop when I can bake my own for so little money and get a better taste out of it too :D
@Jefffrey hey, I didn't even use HDR
and bloom
and AA
and tesselation
uh... do these even work on cameras?
 
8:55 PM
:mad:
 
Fuck it, I'm eating chocolate.
 
@Jefffrey don't do it!
 
Mmm :feelsgood:
 
You're tearing me apart Lisa!
 

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