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9:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus not to mention java
 
See the non-sequitur?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes =[ I didn't mean one was better than the other, I was us tlooking at the stats... =[
 
user3010322
@thecoshman Cost too much, and indeed sucked horribly.
 
@JerryCoffin Ohloh is a project directory
 
@BartekBanachewicz SVN repos went from 267k to 291k. Clearly shrinking/
 
Ell
9:00 PM
@bartek I got 7/100 on my statistics exam
 
@ThePhD My point is that you were looking wrong.
 
Jesus Christ dude.
 
@JerryCoffin do many people really use DVC as D?
 
@thecoshman Uh
 
@ThePhD oh, I didn't mean the licence fees. That's at least predictable.
 
9:01 PM
I don't understand why it's hard to comprehend that just because something's popularity is increasing, it doesn't mean the popularity of something else is decreasing.
 
user3010322
vOv
 
user3010322
hat's what I said
 
@CatPlusPlus I suppose, as always, I should be more pedantic: Project directory, but mostly pointing at some central "authoritative" repository for projects in the directory.
 
user3010322
SVN was more or less stable in its holdings of its repos.
 
well anyway apparently popularity isn't any reasonable stat anyway
 
Ell
9:01 PM
seriously guys the null hypothesis isn't true I know whats I'm talking about
 
> This document has reached the 400,000 cell per spreadsheet limit. Create a new spreadsheet to continue working, as you may not be able to add any more rows or columns. For more information on size and complexity limits in Google spreadsheets, visit the Google Docs Help Center.
FFS
 
which is pretty much correct
 
@CatPlusPlus services like github sort of remove the desire to use the non Client server appraoch
 
so what else can we look at then
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm also sure that is for personal use only :P
 
9:02 PM
can we even fucking compare anything ever in this world?
 
Silly LinkedIn. They offer you a free month of LinkedIn Plus or wtv for free yet the first thing they ask you for is your credit card information so they can charge you when you forget to cancel before the month is over
 
Yes
 
@JerryCoffin Yes
 
5 mins ago, by ThePhD
While the Eclipse Community Survey says that Git is increasing, while SVN is suffering a (very small) decline in usage.
 
user1804599
Just use whatever the fuck you are comfortable with.
 
9:02 PM
because for every comparison criteria, someone will state it's bullshit and irrelevant
 
user1804599
Stop listening to other people.
 
I have no idea how to argue in such a discussion, TBH
 
@BartekBanachewicz So why did you bring it up
That much we know!
 
@CatPlusPlus Because he didn't know they were against his arguments.
 
@rightfold now that's not how you fan boy :(
 
9:03 PM
yeah it's tough starting an argument when you don't have one
 
user3010322
6 mins ago, by ThePhD
So it seems overall Git is gaining popularity, while SVN is more or less stable in its shares.
 
Please fucking explain to me how you can have a reasonable discussion if you can freely question anything.
5
Because I'm clueless now.
 
:lol:
That's p much the definition of a discussion
 
@ThePhD That's different from what you said above.
 
@ThePhD don't try to play that quoting game with @R.MartinhoFernandes you WILL lose.
 
9:04 PM
wat
 
user1804599
We should discuss cool things.
 
@CatPlusPlus But you have to have something you eventually agree on
 
user1804599
Like lasers.
 
user3010322
That was my conclusion after looking at all the answers and the sources.
 
9:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No, not really
 
user3010322
I made my first conclusion based on the Eclipse COmmunity Survey only.
 
if you don't agree on anything, you might go in fucking meta discussion infinitely
 
user3010322
You know, looking at one single source ._.
 
user1804599
I need a 2TW laser.
 
user3010322
Oh, blah. Whatever.
 
9:04 PM
@ThePhD Anyway, FWIW: a decrease in relative usage (i.e. those percentage things) does not at all mean an actual decrease.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's cool
 
@rightfold don't we all
 
yeah that's cool if your goal isn't to discuss the actual topic
 
That's why the "be kept away from stats" came up.
 
+1 Nice work. I hope you like my more highlevel approach :) — sehe 19 secs ago
 
9:05 PM
@rightfold HEY! Y U NO MEETUP?
 
Boost Phoenix + Fusion FTW again
 
Also we p much have a consensus here, that git is not necessarily always better than SVN
 
user1804599
@thecoshman because I do not like meeting people.
 
@thecoshman I can't really give any authoritative answer about percentages, but at least some clearly do.
 
I wanted to look at the raw data for the Eclipse survey but they only publish it in ods and xls and I cannot import it into Google Docs because fuck Google.
 
9:06 PM
@rightfold I'd only mock you for being fat for like an hour tops vOv
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why do you use spreadsheets for babies
 
@CatPlusPlus It's loads better. It doesn't necessarily have more features, but it necessarily works a lot better in practice (scalability, convenience)
 
user1804599
@thecoshman I am one of the thinnest guys of everybody here.
 
@sehe Usually, yes
 
@rightfold ITT tin man
 
9:06 PM
I don't think anyone would claim that SVN is increasing in popularity over Git. But to claim outright that "most people use Git" and, worse, to use that as some sort of "therefore Git is better" conclusion is just naive
 
(Well, there's no reason I should demand them to support slightly not tiny spreadsheets, but still fuck Google)
 
But not always
 
@JerryCoffin huh... well there we are. Something.
 
@CatPlusPlus But Google Docs so great.
 
user1804599
Dat phat ass.
 
9:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's shit
We were doing an estimate some days ago, and it kept fucking up formulas all over the place
 
@rightfold vOv and?
 
@CatPlusPlus I know, but it seemed a faster route than installing something else.
 
user1804599
I won’t feel offended.
 
user1804599
@sehe I eat a lot of snapples.
 
@rightfold people can be nice iunno
 
Ell
9:08 PM
excel is my only option for spreadsheets
 
@rightfold Maybe Val can help you out (probably better if you like popcorn though).
 
user1804599
I don’t make spreadsheets.
 
yeah, I've recently found gdocs spreadhseets is just failing to do equations. Can't work out why, but it just stops handling lookups.
 
More likely Vlad has a word or two for you
 
user1804599
I use Ruby or SQL if I need to deal with tables.
 
Ell
9:08 PM
SQL is for data though :o
 
he's been quite well behaved lately, except:
@MortezaLSC You are not blind because the author of the post changed it. I copied and pasted what he has. So it is not my problem I only wonder who is such an idiot who down voted. — Vlad from Moscow yesterday
 
My friend had a problem some time ago where a formula wouldn't work with one cell
 
user1804599
Tables never contain any data.
 
Just one random cell
Not working
 
and my new favourite:
Sorry but your opinion on this question is not interesting for me. You can continue to discuss it on chat with your friends. — Vlad from Moscow yesterday
 
9:09 PM
GDocs is shit
 
@CatPlusPlus sounds a bit like what I've got going on.
 
@CatPlusPlus We heard it. ... Meh. Boring
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah... but libre office?
any way, time for some 'free' TV
 
So using personal example, which is NOT AN ARGUMENT OKAY, all repos in my work were migrated to Git from SVN.
 
user1804599
I think I have cancer.
 
user1804599
9:10 PM
There is a bump on my arm.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ours too, like a year ago
 
Git is well-named and we'll leave it at that
 
user1804599
Git was named after its creator.
 
It's a hallmark of a truly good useful tool that bad naming didn't prevent it from bubbling to the top
 
user1804599
9:12 PM
If you guys set milestones for hobby projects, do you add due dates to them?
 
@thecoshman the help center (there was a link) didn't mention any way to trade money for cells.
 
@rightfold no
 
user1804599
Why not?
 
anyway ugh
 
@rightfold sometimes
 
9:14 PM
I hate you @Lightness. I know you know. I know you know that I know that you know.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Business GApps maybe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol money for cells
 
Or it's a hard limit because the app shits itself otherwise
Which is likely
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit when, exactly?
 
Ah, found it.
 
9:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "If you upgrade to a Google+ account, the number of cells per spreadsheet increases to 1,000,000"
 
@rightfold no hard and fast rule - basically depends on whether it's achievable and what I have going on in my life. also how much I care at the time
 
Ahahaha
 
@Rapptz That's a joke, right?
 
Ahahahahahahahah
 
lol yeah
 
user1804599
9:15 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, I see. That is very useful information. Thanks, sir.
 
it says something that you have to ask
 
The best part? It could be real
 
@rightfold you're welcome, underling
 
There's a new beta version that allows up to 2 million cells.
 
I know.
 
9:16 PM
It shits itself, as Cat predicted.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Google>: You need a G+ account to chat here. [bad-design] [bugs] [desperation]
 
@CatPlusPlus Good news, I'm logged into SO with my gmail account.
 
user1804599
You can also report the error if it doesn’t keep happening.
 
Ahaha
 
user1804599
9:18 PM
@SharkWipf hallo Sebastiaan.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you opened the document in seventeen tabs? :)
 
@rightfold Is hij die "voormalige klasgenoot"?
 
R# is reporting a missing file that's clearly not missing
 
user1804599
@sehe nee, dat is Johan.
 
user1804599
9:19 PM
Sebastiaan is een oetlul die ik ergens anders van ken.
 
Does the data show as black on black background for you too?
 
@rightfold Twitter, mostly? :/
 
Xeo
the data shows as 'request permission'
 
user1804599
@sehe And Google Talk.
 
user3010322
Lulz.
 
user3010322
9:20 PM
Oh man
 
user3010322
Fucking
 
beautifyk
 
Do you want us to spam you with share requests, or are you setting it to public?
 
user3010322
Keyboard derps.
 
9:21 PM
I don't like grammar in that sentence
 
Sorry
It's public now
 
Yes it's black
 
Blackness (opera+linux64)
 
user1804599
So racist.
 
Also Firefox lagged for a second
 
user3010322
9:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes :3c
 
user1804599
@sehe ooh wait you mean Arian? He wasn’t a classmate, but he did go to Gertrudiscollege.
 
Haha I'm Anonymous Kraken
Or not
Stupid Google
 
Oh, that R# error disappeared in the meantime
 
Git and GitHub are distinct options in the VCS question.
 
Xeo
9:23 PM
so what's that spreadsheet about?
 
Also... 920 people answered that survey.
 
What's funnier is that GitHub has both git and SVN
 
Impressive.
 
Ell
I get black box plus unresponsive script
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not too hard to fix that, right? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
Looks like someone defaced it/ boobooed
 
Ell
9:24 PM
(android/Firefox), (android/chrome)
 
"Heven't used one yet" was an answer to that question.
 
@CatPlusPlus Software is reliable
 
14 people answered "don't know"
How the fuck is even "don't know" an answer to "what VCS do you use?"
 
Welp I have 9 rows with broken foreign key
 
Oh. Heck. I found this rather cool
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A: Replacing composite virtual with templates

seheYou can get it considerably more convenient by using Boost Fusion for the algorithmic part and Boost Phoenix for the bind part: namespace phx = boost::phoenix; namespace fus = boost::fusion; template<typename... R> class CompositeRule : public IRule { std::tuple<R...> m_rules; public: ...

 
9:26 PM
Because there is no foreign key
 
user1804599
Fix it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "juniors don't commit"
 
user1804599
Leave the playground cleaner than you found it.
 
More than 5% answered "None".
 
MySQL, Rails, and everyone who thinks constraints are not important, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU
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9:26 PM
@rightfold that's... horriful
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well if you don't know what a VCS is... ;)
 
@CatPlusPlus restraint is not important?
 
@Borgleader The question was skippable...
 
Ell
its a virginity control system
 
No one skipped it though.
 
9:29 PM
That means, this is using C++11 feature, as && is available only in C++11. — Nawaz Nov 14 '11 at 3:37
funny out-of-context
 
How did logical and work before C++11?
Oh right, we had the and keyword.
 
It didn't
 
Magic and leprechauns.
 
You had to nor everything
 
@FredOverflow nested if statements
 
9:31 PM
X(X and);                    // move constructor
X bitand operator=(X and);   // move assignment operator
so funny
 
I recently realized that the ~ bit-operator is not overloadable.
I wonder why :P
 
@CatPlusPlus Like the Apollo Guidance Computer.
 
What did you want to do, overload destructors? ;)
 
right
 
Complement.
 
Xeo
9:33 PM
@FredOverflow considering that they'd have totally different invocation syntax...
 
@FredOverflow approximate integers
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
++/-- are funniest overloads
 
yeah, and were are ** and //?
 
"Hey, we don't know what to do to differentiate between prefix and postfix! — Throw a dummy int at it!"
5
 
9:36 PM
And ~~ and !!
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus those things wreck my beautiful []operator@ idea :<
 
I wonder if ++operator(){} would have been possible.
 
I have things not being indexed
Fucking magical Rails libraries are undebuggable
 
Xeo
sacrifice a goat
 
@StackedCrooked Bjarne discusses it in TD&E.
 
9:43 PM
@FredOverflow ah, I should check it out then
I only read fragments of the book.
 
What's a high yet sensible warning level setting for MSVC?
 
Wall
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The default one :P
 
^ This looks awesome.
 
9:45 PM
@Borgleader That's the lowest before completely disabling them o_O
@SamDeHaan Won't that spam me with all sorts of bullshit?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. I should be ignored at all times.
 
Actually, it doesn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm no? Theres W0-W4 + Wall, I've never changed the warning levels and mine are set to W3 (and W0 is turned off)
 
Keeping it at that for now.
@Borgleader Here shows up as 1 default.
 
o.o
 
9:47 PM
Oh wait. I see.
Project files come with /W3 set as the default.
Which explains why setting /Wall in the properties sheet didn't cause any spam...
Projects are all overriding it.
 
@Griwes I'll be hiding :)
 
It's not that /W3 is the default for cl. It's VS that creates projects with the overriding setting. Sounds like one more of those backward compatibility hacks.
 
@sehe Don't you want to be loved?
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's actually what I meant by default. The setting used when you create a project in VS. I didn't expect you to be looking at the documentation for cl directly. How silly of me :P
 
@Borgleader I wasn't. I was looking at a property sheet.
Ah, the spam. I see it now.
10524 warnings.
A ton from within boost.
29 at /W4.
Let's see.
 
Xeo
msvc likes to spam me with 'unused function was removed' warnings on /Wall, IIRC
 
9:52 PM
> conditional expression is constant
Really?
 
I find MSVC's level 4 warnings mostly useless.
 
WTF seriously?
The docs recommend changing while(true) to for(;;).
 
o.o lel
 
Xeo
what, don't gcc and clang also have that warning?
 
Ok, fuck /W4.
 
user1804599
9:54 PM
@sehe It is an insanely good idea.
 
@Xeo It easily produces tons of noise in template code.
 
user1804599
If you find a mess, you better fix it.
 
> default constructor could not be generated
This one must be the best of all.
 
@Xeo No
 
Xeo
also, isn't for(;;) the idiomatic version anyways?
 
user1804599
9:54 PM
IMO it is a reasonable policy.
 
Why thank you, I wasn't expecting you to, you stupid fuck.
 
Not that I know of
 
I like while (true){} better.
 
so do I
 
@Rapptz Maybe with -Weverything, but certainly not in sane levels.
It's a noise factory.
 
9:55 PM
while(true) reads well
for(;;) is when I'm lazy
 
if(SomeTemplateArgument == 0) { blah } else { bleh }
 
vOv, I use while(42)
 
@wilx if I use the while, I'll say while(1){ } (because ^A / ^X works so nicely for flippin' conditions in vim :))
 
Why would they suggest to change while(true) to for(;;)? Aren't they equivalent?
 
"conditional expression is constant" NO KIDDING
@Borgleader Warning doesn't pop up for the latter because it doesn't have a conditional expression to be constant.
 
9:56 PM
#define repeat_forever while(true)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I get those
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it wants you to use static if
 
So, back to /W3 I go.
Here I get only possible loss of data when converting __int64 to double. Seems ok.
 
@AndyProwl same warning
 
If I delete the question that gave me the Tumbleweed badge, do I lose my badge?
 
9:59 PM
 

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