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5:00 PM
@MartinJames Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. When it goes as far as an actual explosion, working again would be a lot more surprising. I guess 240 watts into a RAM chip might be just a tad more than it was designed to handle...
 
I only ever had them stop working, though I managed to fix one external USB drive by stripping out the hard disk and installing as an internal. Presumably, it's power supply/interface thingy in the housing had died.
 
@MartinJames That seems to be pretty common--apparently a whole lot of those external housings are pretty crappy.
 
@JerryCoffin I scrapped the board. A lot of the copper traces had either disappeared, gone black or were hanging off.
@JerryCoffin I still have it mounted as drive F: All the data was fine.
 
@MartinJames At least nowadays chips are cheap. When I was a teenager, I lost a couple hundred dollars worth when my sister walked up and said: "What does this switch do?", but didn't wait for an answer to find out...
 
@JerryCoffin Did you have your sister buried or cremated?
 
5:07 PM
@Griwes kthx
Will research lol
 
:D
 
50 mins ago, by Xeo
kay, even with the opioid-based painkillers, I can only sleep 6h at a time before waking up due to leg pain, it seems. They're supposed to work for 12h. :<
I can surely empathize with you @Xeo
 
@MartinJames Fortunately for her, it was summer at the time, so she managed to get away long enough to survive.
We've even been back on speaking terms for a few years now... :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Oh right - you made her pay up for the blown hardware, plus interest at 5% a month :)
 
user3010322
@MartinJames Well, I'm hoping I can let another one of the EE students in the lab do some mechanical down-mixing for me, so I'm not doing 88 A->D conversions, plus all the DSP...
 
5:12 PM
@ThePhD OIC. So not 88 simultaneous, independent channels. Got it:)
 
user3010322
Yeah, I'm hoping to output just stereo, and hopefully going to get at most 8 or 10 channels to finagle with.
 
@ThePhD Sounds a lot more doable now.
 
user3010322
If I had to output 88 channels.... there's not a single embedded machine with enough cores or threads to make that doable. @__@
 
There was no snow yesterday...
I woke up today and my tree is covered in snow :(
As in, half the tree is under snow.
What the hell happened
 
I'm guessing it snowed
 
5:17 PM
@ThePhD That's what I was really thinking. Then there's the GUI - you would need a robot-like display array to fit all the sliders on:)
 
user3010322
@Rapptz There was a pretty big snowstorm.
 
user3010322
These polar vortexes are really kicking the warm front's asses.
 
@MartinJames you could have many sliders on one with different color markers :p
 
@MartinJames Oh, don't I just wish! Probably better still, pay back that percentage of my annual earnings.
 
Anyway as a result I didn't go to work
So I can spend this day being lazy
 
user3010322
5:19 PM
Woo!
 
user3010322
I can't relax for a minute.
 
user3010322
I've been chatting on the go.
 
@melak47 Yeah, and tabbed pages. Still...
 
@Rapptz I'm guessing snow fell out of the sky?
 
user3010322
I have a class in 1 hour, and an hour after that a Discussion Section.
 
5:19 PM
@MartinJames make the sliders 4 dimensional
 
user3010322
And 40 minutes after that, another class.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman It is a wonderful tool.
 
user3010322
I also forgot to bring my suit with me,
 
you wear a suit to class?
 
user3010322
so after that class I need to go out and buy some decent clothings,
 
user3010322
5:20 PM
otherwise I will interview at Microsoft with a Hoodie and jeans and ratty sneakers.
 
that's fiiine, they want hip cool kids!
 
user3010322
Yeah, until they send me their rejection letter. :v
 
@ThePhD Yeah, that's Google dress code.
 
user1804599
We sometimes sit topless during summer when it’s too hot.
 
@rightfold No aircon?
 
user3010322
5:21 PM
Also need to shave, 'cause mega scruffy.
 
user3010322
@rightfold Ooh...~ ♡
 
user1804599
@MartinJames Yeah, but the room is a little too large for it.
 
user1804599
We need to buy a new one.
 
The aircon is on where I work, almost all the time it seems
I'm always cold
 
@rightfold Lemme guess - huge glass area.
 
user3010322
5:22 PM
I worked right above one of the air conditioning vents.
 
user3010322
Shit was cold.
 
user1804599
@MartinJames Nope.
 
Yea vents in the floor too here
I sit close to two, my life is terrible
 
user1804599
But this year it will be better than other years.
 
I thought heating vents went at floor level, A/C ceiling?
 
user1804599
5:23 PM
@TonyTheLion move to another location in the room. vOv
 
Too lazy vOv
 
@TonyTheLion I guess that falls under the "first world problems" category.
 
Your laziness is terrible.
 
user1804599
Then do not complain about your life being terrible. vOv
 
Work late, unscrew the vent cover, shove in an old rolled-up t-shirt, fasten down cover.
 
5:24 PM
oh you guys are easy to get going wind up
 
user1804599
And when you still insist on complaining about your life being terrible, just remember that at least you’re not Bartek.
 
user3010322
@MartinJames You forgot saturate it with the perfume of a thousand ladies.
 
user3010322
That way when people get to the office tomorrow, it smells like sexy.
 
user1804599
Welp. Time to work on Flame.
 
user1804599
Gonna refactor the query stuff.
 
user3010322
5:26 PM
NOBODY LIKES DOING FLOATING POINT COMPUTATION BY HAND wdhajkdhwdjwa
 
@rightfold ..or Merkin. At least Bartek can go out for a decent beer when miserable.
 
user3010322
Cat was right, high level is best level.
 
user3010322
Fuck these implementation details.
 
@ThePhD Why would anybody WANT to do that by hand?
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion Uni. u.u
 
5:27 PM
oh
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion DePhD.
 
@TonyTheLion To understand how it's done well enough to implement it if needed?
 
@ThePhD I still say it's better than writing tcp packets by hand in ones and zeroes
 
It's fairly easy to do FP computation mentally, (as long as you don't need precision).
 
@JerryCoffin That's a good reason
 
user3010322
5:28 PM
@melak47 u.u If I had to do that I think I'd kill myself.
 
user1804599
Decimals ftw.
 
user3010322
But on the bright side, you're now an awesome network programmer, right? :D
 
@melak47 Don't think that's allowed. You have to send an octet at once, so cache up the bits on your fingers.
 
user1804599
Might just not add floats to Styx at all; just decimals.
 
@MartinJames writing...on paper :p
@ThePhD yeah, uh, sure cough
 
5:30 PM
Boredom struck me
 
did it hurt?
 
Hit it back.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion help me with Flame.
 
I don't fancy writing code right now. I spent the entire day writing C++. Eek
 
5:32 PM
@TonyTheLion Play Hearthstone :)
 
do some floating point math in bits on paper. I hear it's relaxing!
 
@Borgleader I'll try it
 
user3010322
@melak47 >_>
 
Why does it not allow me to paste a password??
Gragghghghghghg
 
user3010322
11101.1010 (base2)
== 29.625 (base10)
== 0 01111011 10110100000000000000000 (base2, IEEE 754 Single Precision Floating Point)
 
5:38 PM
@TonyTheLion If you want to add me, my Battle tag is Locutus #1521
 
user3010322
I think
 
@Borgleader mine is TonyTheLion
 
There should be a number with that
 
user3010322
Does binary literals exist in GCC yet?
 
@Borgleader still installing
 
user3010322
5:40 PM
I want to check my work on coliru.
 
@TonyTheLion oic
 
Firefox just cannot remember which monitor holds which window
It's too hard
 
@Borgleader #2980
 
@ThePhD been an extension since probably the 90s.
 
user3010322
How do I declare a binary literal?
 
user3010322
5:42 PM
b### ?
 
0b
 
user3010322
Or is it ######b ?
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
@DeadMG oooh, I saw your name there. It is a terribly contrived example. I opened it up and thought, hang on, isn't this supposed to be a C++ file?
 
Because why not have suffix when other integral literals use prefixes
Diversity
 
5:43 PM
lulz
 
user3010322
q___q
 
user3010322
 
I couldn't do it any better
 
user3010322
Whatever, fuck floating point. ._.
 
0
Q: Object Oriented Analysis C++

ankit.dhallI am in college and doing Computer science. I was thinking of making a project on C++(as that is in my curriculum this semester) that takes a c++ program file as an input and gives an output about how object oriented the program given as an input was.Like quantitative and qualitatively. But I am ...

wat
 
5:46 PM
@ThePhD Are you sure? That doesn't look right to me.
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin Yeah, it's not right. =/
 
0
Q: do i can make the keyboard write from it self?

user2968835how me can make my keyboard and mouse do something by its self, am knowing that it's an Interrupt casing these kind of events and the Kernel responsible to do that, but i wonder if self control can be done with my code

oh my wtf is this ^^ /cc @Mysticial
 
user3010322
How do you shut up strict aliasing warning?
 
he wants the keyboard to be self-conscious?
 
user3010322
5:49 PM
I want it to not annoy me while I'm trying to bit fiddle...
 
@ThePhD Cast to char *.
 
@ThePhD Mad scientist working on a new experiment? ;)
 
@ThePhD If memory serves, it's sign bit, 8-bit exponent (in bias 127), 23-bit significand. So, 29.625 should come out something like: 0 10000011 11011010000000000000000
 
user3010322
Sign bit is 0
Exponent I calculated was supposed to be -4 (plus 127 bias working backwards, so 123)
 
user3010322
Then the mantissa was supposed to just be exactly like 11101.1010, expect with leading 1 chopped off
 
user3010322
5:53 PM
(1.1011010 * 2^(-4) -- the first part is binary, the exponentiation is base 10)
 
@ThePhD Number is greater than 1, so exponent should be positive.
 
user3010322
But the mantissa is always in the form of 1.XXXXXXXXXXX where X is hte binary bits
 
user3010322
Or... is it?
 
It's [sign][exponent bias 127][f], where the number is (-1)^sign * 2^exponent * (1+f) for normalized numbers.
So, if you divided the mantissa by 2^4 (if I count right), then you must multiply it by 2^4 to get the original value.
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
user3010322
5:55 PM
So it's suppose to be 4, not negative four, but...
 
user3010322
That doesn't make sense. x_X
 
Why?
 
What?
29 is clearly larger than 16.
3
29.625 too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll star that.
 
user3010322
11101.1010 (base 2) to 1.11011010 x 2 ^ OH
 
user3010322
5:56 PM
OH I'M AN IDIOT
 
user3010322
I needed a bigger exponent to get back to the original HERPA DERPA.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes depends how you round them
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. And then he is multiplying 1.111011010 by 16.
Which is clearly greater than 16.
@ThePhD Did you just accidentally a 1?
 
user3010322
Acidentally a 1?
 
user3010322
Oh, I did.
 
5:57 PM
@Benjamin Ha, I managed to work out a way to conduct some more convincing tests. (i.e. I got a way to tell if an estimate is good enough)
 
29.625 is 237 * 2<sup>-3</sup>. 237 is 1110 1101, so that's your un-normalized significand. Then you normalize and lose the MSB, giving 1101101 as your significand.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
How?
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin Okay, so now I ended up with
0 10000011 1101101000000000000000
 
user3010322
... But GCC says I'm wrong again. =[
 
user3010322
Ooh, nevermind.
 
user3010322
6:02 PM
I got it!
 
You were missing a trailing zero apparently.
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin @Griwes Thanks for helping me underp my derps. :D
 
user3010322
@Griwes Yeah. xP
 
Help vampire numbers:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21582617/finding-vampire-numbers-from-10-to-1-million
 
6:02 PM
@ThePhD Here you go: h-schmidt.net/FloatConverter
 
user3010322
Also wdhawjkdhwkjd strict aliasing warning
 
user3010322
@Griwes =[ THat tempts me to cheat
 
Just use it to check.
 
user3010322
I can't get rid of that strict aliasing warning, no matter how I try to cast. =[
 
user3010322
Maybe I need a memcpy in there instead, after converting to char*.
 
6:04 PM
Because the warning is generally right.
@ThePhD cowboy_cast!
 
user3010322
<3
 
Although I prefer to call it cast_dammit_cast.
 
user3010322
All cleaned up~
 
use -std=gnu++11 if you want to get rid of the extension warning
Oh nvm
 
6:09 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I wrote a clock with a fixed ticking rate (i.e. every call to now() returns exactly one unit more than the previous call, no matter how much time elapses), and now require that result * tick_unit > expected_time. This guarantees that expected_time / result is a decent enough approximation of the clock's resolution to start working with.
 
That's strange.
 
@Borgleader wow :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know it might feel like time wasted, but if it makes you feel any better I would not leave that method untested either. It sounds like a very non deterministic place and testing it is very important.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum What method do you refer to?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes basically - things that touch warmup
 
6:11 PM
Ah, I will.
That's what comes next.
I should probably get a better name too.
 
cool_clock
 
I meant for warmup.
 
cool_warmup
 
user3010322
@Rapptz How do you get rid of the binary extension warning again?
 
6:13 PM
What's wrong with warmup btw
@ThePhD remove -pedantic
 
Xeo
@Rapptz err, shouldn't you just disable that warning specifically?
 
Ya can't
it's [enabled by default]
 
4 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
`int warmup();`
*Effects*: does something magical for at least 100 ms.
*Returns*: a value that might be a good starting number of iterations for estimating clock properties.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz can't tell the compiler that usage of the extension is intended?
 
6:17 PM
yeah, by removing -pedantic
 
Xeo
that's fucked up
 
indeed
 
Xeo
just visually ignore that warning then, fuck me if I get rid of -pedantic
 
@EtiennedeMartel I have no words for this.
 
user3010322
@Xeo I'm just doing bit tests, so I can cowboy cast and what not all day.
 
6:20 PM
@Xeo Better: instead of running the compiler directly, write a little script that does grep -v on the result to get rid of exactly the warnings you want to ignore.
If you're ignoring warnings visually, it's all too easy to ignore some you shouldn't.
 
Hmmm, was hoping there would be an algorithm chat room =/
Been in the mode to discuss algorithm and data structures lately
 
Lounge<Basket> is about food sorting in a basket algorithms.
 
@the86guy You could start one, but I wouldn't bet a lot on enough others joining for it to go very far.
 
user3010322
I think apples should be given priority in the heap.
 
@EtiennedeMartel WOW
 
6:22 PM
@JerryCoffin I had the same thought
 
user3010322
But @Rapptz doesn't think so, because he's a pear person.
 
user3010322
And pears suck.
 
I do love pears :(
They're so good
 
user3010322
Everyone universally agrees that Kiwis have the highest priority.
 
People have asked me what surprised me the most here in Sochi. It's this. Without question ... it's ... THIS. http://t.co/1jj05FNdCP
 
Xeo
6:23 PM
so, any volunteers for doing my groceries?
 
Amazing how many of these people have never encountered this "phenomenon". As one reply says, it's extremely common.
 
"how exactly do I define a class wide variable within a function with an arbitrary name?" this sounds like an X/Y problem. Why do you think you need this and what are you trying to do with it? — Borgleader 10 secs ago
 
user1804599
Oh, new GitHub Issues UI.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not in the US.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've run into this in Russia several times. I've never seen it anywhere else though..
 
6:24 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not here AFAIK
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Pretty much standard throughout Russia in general, AFAIK. Makes it easy to find the restrooms in public places though--just follow your nose.
 
You guys flush your TP down the toilet?
 
Not in the US or the UK, no, but in many, many other countries.
 
@Rapptz uhh... sure?
 
You know? Other countries?
 
user1804599
6:25 PM
@Rapptz no shit, of course.
 
I haven't seen it anywhere except for eastern Europe.
 
@Rapptz Of course.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think I associate it the most with Greece.
 
I don't use TP. I use wet wipes so I can't flush em.
 
nor do you spell it out, for some reason..
 
6:26 PM
Well, India has a different kind of toilet altogether (the hole) and I've also seen it in many less touristy places in Russia but yeah.
 
user1804599
You wipe your ass with your hands.
 
@Rapptz Ahh, Arabic style.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz I use wet wipes at the end of each shitting session, and I flush them.
 
That's bad for plumbing here.
 
user1804599
Netherlands best country.
 
6:27 PM
@JerryCoffin It's a style?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've actually traveled Greece quite a bit and haven't seen it. Then again I was with my father so we went to 4/5 star hotels and other expensive places I don't usually go to when I travel alone/with friends.
@JerryCoffin can we tone the racism down just a little bit? Thanks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Lack of style, perhaps?
 
Well, I'm part arabic and I know for sure it's no "style".
So I have no idea what that remark was supposed to mean but I don't really care either way
 
@Rapptz Probably racism.
 
6:29 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum What racism? It's not racism to observe reality, which is that it's been traditional for centuries throughout much of the Arabian peninsula to wipe with your right hand, any more than it's racist to observe that it's been traditional to eat with your left hand.
 
user1804599
Why does GitHub Issues start counting at #2?
 
That... is not true at all.
 
I think to suggest that everybody of Arabic descent wipe their arses with nothing but their bare hands after going for a shit is a little on the ... unacceptable side.
 
@rightfold Issue #1 is always: "Using github".
 
@rightfold Because you touch yourself at night.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Real men scream until their shit combusts.
 
6:31 PM
@rightfold You had a pull request.
A pull request opens an issue for some reason
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I found a video that you might like, although you probably have seen it already. youtube.com/watch?v=aeaPanpU-iw
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have been to Greece many times, always either to 4/5 star hotels or (in later years) to apartments and villas. I've always found that. Perhaps it's because I prefer the islands...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can hardly imagine anybody taking my comment as meaning that, but if they did, I apologize.
 
@JerryCoffin God I hate the 'it's not racism to observee reality' argument. "Black people are stupid, it's not racism to observe reality." enough, that was a silly argument anyway.
 
user3010322
OH MY GOD I HAVE TO DO MULTIPLICATION OF FLOATING POINT TOO FFFFFFFFFFFFF.
 
user3010322
6:31 PM
Gg I quit =[
 
@JerryCoffin The first reply to your statement is a clear example of that. :/
Arguments on the internet are always silly! That's what makes them fun.
 
Anyway I like wet wipes a lot more than TP.
 
especially in here
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Looked to me more like a clear example of somebody making an ass of himself for no particular reason at all.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Oh, right.
 
6:32 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum That was racist?! o.o really?
 
@Borgleader Just a bit.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz I'm not so sure I like wet wipes.
 
user3010322
Just for the fact that it can leave your ass.... wet. =[
 
user3010322
And that's just a terrible feeling.
 
user1804599
@Borgleader I doubt it was Jerry’s intention to claim race A to be superior to race B, so I’d say it’s not racism.
 
6:34 PM
@ThePhD Dry afterwards, just like if you used a bidet.
 
@Borgleader what I didn't like is that was implied. When you say 'all Arabs are terrorists' it's pretty clear that you're joking. When you imply all Arabs wipe their ass with their hand that way it sounds like you really think it. crap sorry. I have no self control.
 
that's what the Arab said
 
user1804599
That’s what she said. Oh wait, she may not speak.
 
Someone please tell me why I keep continuing these arguments on the internet?
 
let's even it out: being dumb as shit is American style
everybody happy?
 
6:35 PM
I like the discussion we had earlier thouh.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum boredom
 
user1804599
Ten years ago, C was my favorite language. Today, looking at C makes me mad in real life because its design is so wrong.
 
Laziness probably. I have a test to prep for.
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit All brits wear monocles!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What are the chances of that?
 
6:36 PM
@ThePhD I don't have that issue.
 
user3010322
Maybe I'm just using them wrong. =[
 
Depends on the wipes you get I guess.
Maybe yours are soaked in liquid. If so, those are probably baby wipes...
 
Can they be wet otherwise?
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin @Griwes I got it all right! coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/922bf72a8225c05b
 
user1804599
I don’t like the toilet at work.
 
user1804599
6:37 PM
It is way too small.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ok so... I hope I don't spark a horrible debacle here, but if he said "I wore a kilt today" and Jerry had said "Ah, Irish style" that's racist too?
 
@rightfold I love how most people who know this guy know him for "wat" but nothing else. He should totally do something like that again.
 
user1804599
I cannot sit on it without my dick touching the toilet, which is nasty.
 
Have you heard Keep It Simple and Small? I have only heard Keep It Simple Stupid?
 
@Borgleader if it's not in the context of humor then yes, but it's not as bad because it's not as negative of a stereotype.
 
6:38 PM
@ThePhD You could argue whether using a cowboy cast qualifies anything as "all right"...
 
user3010322
@Griwes vOv works for my purposes
 
user1804599
@Borgleader “Irish” isn’t a race so it cannot be racist.
 
user1804599
It is a nationality.
 
@Borgleader Scottish?
 
@Borg it's Scottish.
lol
 
user1804599
6:39 PM
@JohanLarsson I like “KISF.”
 
user1804599
Keep it simple, fucktard.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damnit now I've probably insulted both the Irish and Scottish people T_T /cc @Rapptz
 
Racist? No. Wrong? Definitely.
 
lol
 
user1804599
DeadMG is Scottish, since he is, like Scott, a dog.
 
6:40 PM
Flawless logic.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wait wait, using wet wipes is a negative stereotype o.o
 
No that was post-edit
 
@Borgleader shit, I gotta stop.
 
@rightfold I think Small is very important
 
6:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes At the risk of more accusations: kilts were traditionally worn by Kelts, who (at least used to) form a large part of the population of both Scotland and Ireland.
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson That’s what she said.
 
She lied to make you feel better
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I dont know whats going on, if i follow the yellow-arrow road, I end up to "I don't use TP. I use wet wipes so I can't flush em."
 
I added the second part later
 
user3010322
Why can't you flush wet wipes, exactly?
 
user1804599
6:43 PM
@JohanLarsson and then she cheated on you and now you feel horribly miserable.
 
bad for plumbing
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
@ThePhD Universe explodes when you put wet things in water
 
they have "flushable" variants but those make it worse from what I've read
 
6:43 PM
Why the fuck did I get starred o.o
 
user3010322
ITT: Borgleader, surprised at everything.
 
user1804599
Get decent pipes, noob.
 
Pawnguy08
 
Hard to assimilate, the Lounge.
 
user1804599
6:44 PM
The Japanese have pipes that can transport fat plumbers wearing caps without problems.
6
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Imagine how good a programmer I'd be, if I assimilated you, Jerry, sehe, ... o.o
 
@Borgleader Awesome
 
user1804599
And they can even function as flowerpots!
 
user1804599
@Borgleader Dat C++
 
@Borgleader Is this beyond salvation?
 
6:46 PM
Way beyond
 
@Rapptz Salvation saw this question and threw itself off the Eiffel tower.
 
int Favorite_number '==' 5)
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus nice chicken.
 
6:48 PM
lol it got removed
 
user1804599
He OCR'ed code from a book, I guess.
 
That question is nothing
Look at the answer
 
user1804599
Screenshot?
 
user1804599
Albert Heijn.
 
6:58 PM
lol.
much photo.
 
@Borgleader lolwat
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz You really look like an infinite übergeek.
 
@rightfold no, there's an unphotoshoped girl in the photo
 
@CatPlusPlus ahahaha
yeah, the semicolon was definitely the main problem
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz yes, that’s who I was talking about.
 

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