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10:00 PM
no, it's all that you ignore and somehow justify ignoring it.
 
I wouldn't consider DX in my projects because a) lazy b) need cross-platform.
 
@ThePhD It was a Python reference.
 
But hey.
 
there are numerous factors on that decision, on either api
 
Ell
As I see it if youre writing something from scratch I see no reason not to use opengl
 
10:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus good call - that doesn't mean other developers are going to follow you
 
I don't know what we're talking about, actually.
 
especially AAA games
that only care about the windows release
 
Fuck AAA games.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're arguing about ideology. I'm arguing about pragmatism.
 
@EtiennedeMartel no, I'm actually taking both into account
 
10:01 PM
They should die already.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol im only arguing that DirectX is a very relevant technology to a very big part of the games market and thats not going away
 
Sure.
 
Bartek seems to think thats not the case
 
I don't know how you could argue otherwise.
 
I don't care if OpenGL is better than Direct3D. They're both tools, and D3D is still, and should still be for the foreseeable future, a perfectly reasonable tool for game development.
 
10:01 PM
@JustinMeiners while the first might be true, the second isn't necessarily that
 
And as Etienne said supporting both is not that difficult anyway.
 
OTOH learning either deeply is time consuming
to get 100% of either you have to spend time on it.
 
Concepts are the same.
 
If you argue which is better like that, without actual hard constraints or goals to reach, well, you might as well try to sword fight a crab with your penis.
 
I would win.
 
10:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus when you go deeper, they start to differ.
 
In what?
 
My code now has 158 static casts. Thanks Qt5! static_cast<void (QSignalMapper::*)()>(&QSignalMapper::map)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because it's too small for the crab to properly grasp it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel or you might actually realise that the non-pragmatic factors are universal and apply regardless of the target, but you chose to ignore them
 
10:03 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Depends on the crab.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because they are irrelevant.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Non-pragmatic factors are irrelevant.
 
@EtiennedeMartel because you say so?
now that's a nice argument.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because, in the end, what we do is solve problems. A solution is nothing outside the context of a problem.
 
I say so too, therefore valid.
2
 
10:04 PM
and pretty much unqualified by history, but hey
 
@EtiennedeMartel s/solve/create/
 
Ell
Which is why Haskell is irrelevant </troll>
 
@BartekBanachewicz Every single success in history did so because of pragmatic factors.
 
And hey, we're italics, we're the authority here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's accidental.
 
10:04 PM
Also what non-pragmatic factors?
 
@DeadMG when the non-pragmatic factor starts to matter at the moment, it starts to become pragmatic
 
user142019
#pragma tic
 
I missed something.
 
right
 
@CatPlusPlus cost of a windows licence
 
10:05 PM
but since we already decided that the extra portability here is basically useless.
 
cost of training devs if you use OGL already
 
Windows licenses are almost free.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which you're probably not if you actually work in games.
 
I'm seriously wondering if AMD finished their OGL 4.3 drivers yet...
 
10:05 PM
How do I make the stalactites better?
 
For any company.
 
@EtiennedeMartel which you are if you are working on mobile games.
 
@Pawnguy7 They're usually in the colour of the rock, you know.
 
I can't understand how "games" might be equal to "desktop games" for you
 
@BartekBanachewicz You mean OpenGL ES 2? That's not OpenGL, that's a piece of crap in a crap package.
 
10:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz There's a cost of training devs if you use DX and hire OGL devs- it goes both ways.
 
Also triangley.
 
@Pawnguy7 Widen their bases a bit.
 
@DeadMG no if you are crossplatform
 
@CatPlusPlus they were, and I like them better that way. Somebody here said light blue, and I haven't changed it back.
 
10:06 PM
@DeadMG +1
 
Xeo
@Mysticial @StackedCrooked See how many you can recognize (scroll down): amvnews.ru/index.php?go=Files&in=view&id=1822
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not hard.
 
@DeadMG just a block on the left or right at the base, perhaps?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Right, but basically nobody actually needs the theoretical cross-platformity that OGL offers (never mind extension hell, having to use a bunch of OS-specific stuff to get simple things done, etc).
 
Ell
Let's stop the gl vs DX
 
10:07 PM
@Ell its not gl vs Dx
 
@EtiennedeMartel true that's not OGL, true that's a piece of crap, but still it's easier to get for an OGL person than Dx one
 
@JustinMeiners Pretty sure it is.
 
vs D3D?
 
@DeadMG that's untrue
 
10:07 PM
WOOO
 
The retraining costs are miniscule here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're saying that like either are hard to learn.
 
Ell
We have been here too many times!
 
AMD FINALLY HAS (some) OPENGL 4.3 SUPPORT.
 
the company I was going to work at actually does conversions to mobile.
 
10:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz was going to?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think OpenGL is hard to learn, yes.
 
user142019
Beyond a certain horribleness, the relative horribleness between two horrible entities becomes irrelevant. That's also the case with OpenGL and DirectX.
 
but as I stated earlier, the similarities between OGL and OGL ES are irrelevant when it comes to such activities.
 
OpenGL is hard to learn mostly because learning materials are horrible.
 
10:08 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Intel won vOv
 
yeah conversions are always good technologies
 
@rightfold I actually really kinda like the DX11 API.
 
Ell
So anyhow, has anyone seen that Guantanamo bay video? About the force feeding?
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh its definitive then
 
@CatPlusPlus Agreed. MSDN >>>>>>>>>>> All other documentation on the planet.
 
10:08 PM
@ThePhD Erm, let's not exaggerate.
 
I still haven't figured out how to use DX.
 
@JustinMeiners well it was quite some time ago already
 
GL is less complicated.
 
user142019
I like this API: "hey draw this shit for me on this location" and it draws this shit for me on this location.
 
But still.
 
10:09 PM
@ThePhD you're fucking kidding me
 
@BartekBanachewicz Okay, maybe it's just one ">" then. :P
 
This must win the Least Useful Question Title Of The Month Award, instantly. — sehe 26 secs ago
 
Ell
The gl docs are pretty awesome
 
Learning one when you know the other is not an enormous cost barrier.
@Ell Ugh, no.
 
What I'm saying is, at the end of the day, unless you're @rightfold, you still need to get shit done, and that OGL vs D3D bullshit is getting in the way of said shit getting done.
 
10:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus define "know"
 
If your program is designed well - the actual amount of API specific graphics code is often relatively small anwyway
 
Ell
Anyway
How about that corn, eh?
 
@EtiennedeMartel or if you are more free to choose, you can actually think how fucked in the head is using directx.
 
In the same sense that I recommend newbie game devs to ship a game first and worry about the tech later, if you're actually working on tech, start by making shit that works and then worry about the actual renderer later.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah good driver support is overrated
 
10:10 PM
@Ell NO I WANT TO ARGUE ON THE INTERNET
@JustinMeiners do you perhaps know what I do at Intel?
 
@chris I'd prefer it if you wasted time upvoting some answers/comments :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz enlighten me
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Look it up in a dictionary.
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel I like the part between the second and third comma. :3
 
10:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Only if you consider holding to your faith to be more important than solving the damn problem.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's the same as "know C++"
 
No, it's not.
 
COM is easy anyway.
 
@CatPlusPlus GL spec is over 1k pages.
 
Xeo
Is Braket raging about DX again?
 
Ell
10:11 PM
I work at the internet.
 
@EtiennedeMartel DX really doesn't make much use of it.
 
I hate using COM.
 
GL spec is for implementers, not users.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah for driver manufactoros
 
10:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus it's for users
 
not API users
 
@JustinMeiners what
 
@Xeo You mean preaching about OGL?
 
I think someone familiar with graphics theory - but no experience with OGL
 
GL spec is my main tool when writing GL code
 
10:12 PM
could learn it pretty quickly
 
@JustinMeiners bullshit.
 
Manpages are user documentation.
 
@JustinMeiners IME a lot of graphics theory is ten trillion miles away from useful knowledge.
 
user142019
@sehe delvote
 
10:13 PM
@DeadMG the amount of OpenGL specific knowledge
is very small compared to 3D theory
 
Speaking of OGL, I saw it up there somewhere, I think it is hard for me to learn due to available resources. And I only get 2.1.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because if we had one API instead of two, it could actually be better?
@JustinMeiners ahahahaha
 
@BartekBanachewicz You mean, no competition?
 
Meh, I like choices.
 
you're funny.
 
10:13 PM
I just don't like to choose.
 
I'm totally seeing how that's going to be better.
 
in terms of what you need to know
to build 3D applications
 
@JustinMeiners you don't know shit, yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah im the one making ridiculous claims today - your right
 
simple fact is, DX has kicked OGL up the arse, and as far as I can see, they still haven't quite decided that they need to be competitive and get their act together.
 
Ell
10:14 PM
Choices are no good if everything sucks :(
 
Can we just say OpenGL == DirectX for all real world purposes? :c
 
@DeadMG Well, standarization. Less features to implement in drivers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz FWIW, if you only had one API you would be stuch with same backward compatibility ridden crap.
 
@ThePhD That's exactly how it is.
 
@JustinMeiners Except I actually have a clue on what I'm talking about.
 
10:14 PM
This will never happen.
DirectX is not going away.
Regardless of what OpenGL does.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes FYI forward compatible contexts.
 
But Bartek doesn't care about the real world. He only cares about his dream world.
 
@ThePhD Valve almost did a pixel perfect replica when they ported to OpenGL.
 
Drivers will support both for few decades still.
 
@CatPlusPlus we'll see about that.
 
10:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah I don't - sorry just a dummy here
 
How disappointing. My online ICS course was 99. Honestly, the prerequisite was probably harder than that one.
 
You're really bad at backward compatibility, aren't you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz enlighten me with your intel knowledge
 
@EtiennedeMartel hey, you live in a world where mobile gaming doesn't exist
 
Xeo
Okay, I'm out again. Too much religious preaching.
 
10:15 PM
@Xeo Take me with yoou. ;~;
 
:laffo: mobile gaming.
 
Ell
Doesn't Etienne write mobile games?
 
exactly. no ^
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, he lives in a world where desktop OGL and OGL ES being somewhat vaguely similar really isn't that useful.
 
28 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
:laffo: mobile gaming.
I know what I wrote for fucks sake.
 
10:16 PM
anyway
 
Ell
Let's just bash php. It can be a team building exercise!
 
I am a hardcore mobile gamer. [/sarcasm]
 
But again, there's a reason why WinAPI is still here. Backwards compatibility matters.
 
user142019
Play games, not make.
 
I agree with Xeo, this is just Bartek preaching and not actually dealing with any counter-arguments and insulting all his opponents.
 
10:17 PM
So no, DirectX going away is not a possibility.
 
user142019
@Ell Why did you have to pick the two almost most horrible languages, Bash and PHP?
 
@CatPlusPlus +1
 
You're delusional if you think otherwise.
 
I'd have thought he'd learned his lesson after the whole "DeadMG please help me with hardware instancing" thing.
 
10:17 PM
but apparently not.
 
I'm... pretty sure Etienne works for people who have their engine ported to both Android and other platforms. IIRC it even ran on the Wii, who's API is a LOT like OpenGL's, if I remember correctly. You can't really say he doesn't deal in Mobile or Web Games...
... Wait a second.
 
Anyway what you really want to use is neither OpenGL nor DirectX but high-level engine that does both.
 
Someone have the link to the job postings etienne posted a wile back?
 
So fuck both.
Who cares.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Wii API is "Have a scene graph. Put stuff in it." AFAIR
 
10:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I work in mobile games, numbnut.
 
@CatPlusPlus "Let's use wrappers around the wrappers so we don't have to deal with the low level bits of the wrappers!"
 
:lol:
 
@Xeo Ah. Yeah, so even more high-level than OGL or DX could ever be. :D
 
@MooingDuck Low-level details don't exist.
 
Xeo
lemme check the wii project
 
10:19 PM
The sooner we get to that point, the better.
 
@rightfold That landed right after my comment :/
 
High-level declarative programming forever.
 
@EtiennedeMartel L-something, right?
Lunia? Luni?
 
@ThePhD Ludia.
 
Balaclava code!
 
10:19 PM
@ThePhD Ludia
 
I was close!
 
once again - if your doing smart renderer abstraction isnt the amount of opengl or directx code pretty minimal? I feel like platform generic data mangament is a much bigger task for engines
 
user142019
@sehe What did?
 
@rightfold actually, delvoted now, it was the close-vote that landed swiftly, of course
 
@JustinMeiners Can you perhaps come back when you've ever displayed a triangle?
 
10:20 PM
Anyway, I need to finish Android shit.
Ugh.
 
Xeo
Oh god the source for our Wii game is soooo horrible
 
@Xeo But it's NOT Flash. :D
 
0
Q: (C++): Find Pi to the Nth Digit

BinkaI'm beginning to teach myself C++ until my class starts in the fall. I was wondering if you might be able to help me come up with a better way to ask the user for the number of digits they want for the number pi, and then display it. My problem is that using pi = atan(1)*4 isn't precise past ar...

^ @Mysticial I think it's for you :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel I bet'cha you're writing a lot of DirectX games for windows phone
 
user142019
@Mysticial we need your help.
 
10:20 PM
Surely the OpenGL and DX bits are minimal compared to all the rest of the stuff like AudioManagers and ResourceManagers and EntityManagers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz once again your arrogance is incredible - I guess ive never worked for intel - I can't possibly have the knowledge you do
 
@JustinMeiners should be minimal. opengl and directx code are both already smart renderer abstractions.
 
Xeo
cSceneManager::~cSceneManager(){
	SAVEDESTROY(m_pSceneRoot);

	while(!m_vecScnObjects.empty()){
		SAVEDESTROY(m_vecScnObjects.back());
		m_vecScnObjects.pop_back();
	}
	demo::UnloadResources();

	g_pSceneMgr = NULL;
}
Holy shit why did we ever write that
 
Ell
CallOfDutyStyleGame my_game(Version::GenerateNew, GenerateCODGraphics());
^I want a high level game library!
 
@MooingDuck at an even higher level :)
 
10:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes MessageRecievedSocketDatagramEventArgs <33
 
Right, or SceneManagers.
 
Xeo
(No, not my coding style. Someone else set the guideline)
 
@JustinMeiners fuck my work, even, I was writing OpenGL before I started to work there
 
@ThePhD Ugh, typos.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So?
 
10:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't say you did - but why do you assume that you have so much more experience then me or anyone else?
 
@Xeo I dunno. Time machine to go back and shoot yourself for sale.
 
@EtiennedeMartel just trying to piss you off before going to bed sweetheart
 
@Ell Jesus, and you'd make your game like COD? You suck.
 
user142019
@sehe whoops :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're getting fanatical.
 
10:22 PM
Better question is why do you care so much about a fucking graphics API.
 
@JustinMeiners because you've explicitely said you have no idea about either?
 
@rightfold jerk! mijn edits overschrijven zekers!
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel "getting"?
 
user142019
@sehe = is wonderful.
 
Ell
10:22 PM
But cod makes a lot of money :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz yup that sounds right
 
Xeo
woops
 
I really don't want to have to break the R word for this.
 
Xeo
too big
 
Woah, slow down.
 
10:22 PM
@EtiennedeMartel R word?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Robot!
 
@rightfold har har
 
@Xeo void cSceneManager::_Initialize(){ g_pSceneMgr = m_pSingleton; OMG this is enough.
So much wrong on that tiny bit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Religion.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
10:23 PM
@Xeo clipboard malfunction?
 
Where do I start.
 
Did someone ping me?
 
Hahaha
 
Was in a meeting.
 
10:23 PM
@Mysticial lol. Just kidding
 
Xeo
@sehe Nah, didn't expect the snippet to be that big
@Mysticial Yes
twice
or thrice?
 
oh, lol
 
I've had enough
 
Xeo
Check your inbox on SO proper :P
 
Hungarian notation, manager, underscore-capital naming, two phase initialisation, singletons, ...
 
user142019
10:24 PM
while(true) instead of for (;;), no spaces between control structure keyword and (, braces on new line, using namespace std;. 0/10 wouldn't maintain.
 
you can call me dumb or unrealistic, but I won't allow to be called religious.
hell no.
 
@Xeo shhhhhhhhhhhhh :)
 
You are.
 
get lost, damn troll.
 
Xeo
10:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes _Initialize is called from the ctor
Atleast no two-phase init!
 
+1 for pragmatism in the face of flimsy requirements! — sehe 6 secs ago
 
I had 2-phase init at one point
then I smacked myself.
 
Xeo
(Again, not my coding guideline. I was against that shit :/)
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz You sound like an OpenGL evangelist.
 
10:25 PM
I kinda saw that coming.
 
Ell
I'm burning
 
@BartekBanachewicz "hell" no?
 
True, this could be very easy, but it just seems like a cheap way of solving the problem :) — Binka 22 secs ago
 
OPENGL IS VERY IMPORTANT OKAY
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Me too.
 
Xeo
10:25 PM
nw4r::math::AABB aabb(rm.GetResVtxPos(0).GetMin(), rm.GetResVtxPos(0).GetMax());
pScnMdl->SetBoundingVolume(&aabb);
 
^^ As if printing out a double is any cheaper. :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, he's right
 
Xeo
Hmm, I sure hope SetBoundingVolume only took a pointer for by-reference passing, because that snippet was local to a member function
 
@CatPlusPlus but bartek knows more about then us - he works at intel and programmed in it "way before" then
 
@rightfold AND THE 6 PARAMETER FUNCTIONS FLEW OUT INTO THE WORLD AND SMOTE THE COM-BASED HE-WHO-SHALL-NOT-BE-RENDERED, AND THE WORLD WAS SAFE.
4
 
10:25 PM
This is the year of the Linux OpenGL on desktops guys
 
@JustinMeiners who the fuck are you anyway?
 
@CatPlusPlus I was confused there for a second
 
I have to make my jokes explicit for you guys, I know.
pat pat
 
<strike>Hey, judging from the formatting of the question, I thought you'd appreciate a cheap solution.</strike> Bummer, that's probably over the line — sehe 6 secs ago
@Mysticial You tell him, boss!
 
Xeo
m_pSceneRoot->CalcWorld();
m_pSceneRoot->CalcMaterial();
m_pSceneRoot->CalcView();
m_pSceneRoot->GatherDrawScnObj();
m_pSceneRoot->ZSort();
@ThePhD ^
 
10:27 PM
@sehe I have no idea why those don't work in comments.
 
I think my "evangelism" will be more justified when I actually start working on GL itself.
 
@chris Why would they?
 
Preachers are always annoying.
 
@Xeo Christ. Why isn't that one function call?
 
Then at least I will be able to say "use it because I made (parts of) it"
 
10:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz so cool..
 
It's a fucking API nobody cares.
 
user142019
Needs more references and D.
 
@JustinMeiners plonk.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD vOv
std::vector<nw4r::g3d::ScnObj*> m_vecScnObjects;
^ Someone go back and shoot us
 
Ell
Can we think of band names instead of this
 
10:28 PM
@ThePhD It's the body of that one function you would call!
 
@CatPlusPlus no, you don't care.
 
user142019
with (sceneRoot) {
    calcWorld();
    calcMaterial();
    // etc
}
 
user142019
:3
 
@rightfold looks like Pascal
 
"work on GL"
 
10:29 PM
@rightfold Pascal has that. VB.NET too.
 
IIRC it had this "with" or something
 
going to go join the ARB sometime?
 
user142019
And D.
 
@Xeo That would get starred out of context so hard. >.>
 
user142019
And I think GML, but I'm not sure. Can't really recall.
 
Xeo
10:29 PM
@ThePhD GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME
8
 
@Xeo pure gold
 
@Xeo I was just kidding. ;~;
 
Too many caps on the starboard, but I don't care.
 
gotta frame it or something.
 
@sehe He has added the tag. I think it's begun.
 
10:30 PM
@rightfold what was GML again?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Game Maker Language *hides*
 
user142019
Man, that shit was fun back in the days.
 
@Rapptz lol, no, I'm totally not answering that question. :)
 
lol, @rightfold saying "back in the days"
 
Game Maker uses OpenGL so it's good
 
10:31 PM
@Mysticial Pfft!
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus Since when?
 
@sehe You saying that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
@Mysticial Man up and answer it!
 
@rightfold woopsie
 
user142019
About six years ago it used DirectX.
 
10:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel grawr.
@Mysticial sadface.jpg
 
@rightfold If it did then how does it support Mac?
 
Game maker was the thing.
you could click stuff and make a game.
 
user142019
@Rapptz I didn't have a Mac six years ago.
 
And then Epic games stole the idea and made Kismet.
 
user142019
I got my first Mac in 2009.
 
Xeo
10:32 PM
char lvlpth[22]="Level/level";
char lvlnum[4];
itoa(thirdParam,lvlnum,10);	//chapter
strcat(lvlpth,lvlnum);
strcat(lvlpth,"_");
itoa(secondParam,lvlnum,10); //level
strcat(lvlpth,lvlnum);
strcat(lvlpth,".maz");
Guess what I did first thing I saw that code? (my classmate wrote that)
 
I found this in Wikipedia.
 
user142019
And it didn't support OS X.
 
> By version 6.0 (Windows), Game Maker incorporated DirectX, allowing more advanced graphics functions. Version 7.0 (Mac OS X) uses OpenGL to render sprites.[9]
 
@Xeo hit your head against the wall?
 
user142019
10:33 PM
I've only used 6.0.
 
Xeo
m_LevelPath.str("");
m_LevelPath << "Level/level" << thirdParam << "_" << secondParam << ".maz";
:3
 
@Xeo Soon: <filesystem>?
 
@Xeo He probably felt mad.
 
@rightfold It supports mobile shitforms I think
 
10:34 PM
@Xeo but C is totally better and easier to use than C++
 
Ell
.str("")?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz not for Wii, I think
 
@Ell Clears std::stringstream
 
@Ell string stream, I believe.
 
Yes, it's a stringstring.
 
10:34 PM
lol
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz He had the baaaaaad habit to use C-with-classes :(
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@Xeo the baaaaad is superfluous
 
Ell
I just presumed it would be cleared anyway I guess o.P
 
I the english can't do thing any day To. =[
 
I'd expect .clear()
 
10:35 PM
.clear doesn't clear the stringstream
2
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz That clears error flags
 
It clears the flags set like eof et al.
 
@Xeo ouch.
that hurt.
 
iostreams is really great.
 
:lol:
 
10:35 PM
@EtiennedeMartel uhoh
@Binka Just to compensate for my jest: ideone.com/AsufUosehe 42 secs ago
 
still better than C.
 
Marginally.
 
I cut my knee today.
 
Xeo
Oh yeah, and I remember teaching my classmates member-function-pointers back then
 
@BartekBanachewicz .str("")
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Xeo
10:36 PM
m_pxCurrentState = &cGameFramework::LevelEditor;
 
@Rapptz you took an arrow?
 
No I accidentally hit the edge of my closet
 
@Xeo what on earth they could use them for?
 
@Xeo What is that.
 
user142019
m_ is so fugly.
 
10:36 PM
like, boost::bind is years old, no?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz As if they knew about Boost
 
@BartekBanachewicz ~~No boost~~
 
@Xeo ew
 
Xeo
Also, I seriously don't think Boost was properly handling CodeWarrior.
 
@Xeo are you implying that learning member-function-pointers is easier than learning about bind?
 
Ell
10:37 PM
Yesss! Scattered clouds!
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
Atleast for them
Heck, I don't think I even knew of Boost back then
Or atleast not really
 
ITT Xeo used to suck.
@JustinMeiners You're about half an hour late.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh no, how unexpected!
 
10:38 PM
lol
 
I think the first boost part I used was shared_ptr
 
@JustinMeiners "#386" is usually enough for mentioning that xkcd.
 
(I used it incorrectly)
 
@Xeo upside down?
 
10:39 PM
@Griwes im sure everyone here is quite familiar with it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Plot twist: Xeo was the best of everyone around him.
 
Ell
The first boost I used was boost::asio
 
asio is so intuitive
 
The first boost I used was NONE, hahahahahaha
 
Xeo
The first Boost thing I used was Boost.Function - and I didn't really use it, I just dug into the headers with all the macro and template machinery to learn :D
 
10:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn.
 
@Ell Wow
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think so
 
> so intuitive
 
Xeo
I also did that for MSVC's std::vector header
 
Ell
I actually like asio
 
@Ell Everyone does. It's super effective.
 
10:40 PM
except it isn't
 
It is.
 
will C++14 network stuff look like asio?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD It doesn't feel nice saying this now, but hell yes. Thinking back, those guys sucked. :|
 
Ell
Also which message was the wow for?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No.
 
10:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz More like cpp-netlib, likely
 
It will look like <cassert> without assert
 
Xeo
Especially the one burdening us with that coding style guideline
 
@sehe oh hey you are the Spirit guy :#
 
@Ell Because I thought that was pretty pro
 
I got a question for you guys.
 
10:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like c?
 
@Xeo I'm going to violate all the coding style guidelines at work.
 
I need to store numbered logs on a shared drive.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Stack Overflow - lol
 
And never get hired again.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Read: no network stuff
 
10:41 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No, like nothing.
 
But it'll be worth it!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ok, Super User
 
I'm being attacked by insects.
 
@sehe (Hey, I wrote that part of the newbie hints)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes <ciso646>
 
10:41 PM
@Xeo @CatPlusPlus I missed Cubeworld registration q_q
 
@Xeo wait what's going into the standard then?
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus deodorant and lighter
 
@Xeo lol, yeah, better.
 
Not networking, duh.
 
@sehe hey, I didn't know about that.
 
10:42 PM
So, I was wondering if it would make sense to have a file on there containing the ID of the last written file.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Defined by the standard to have no effect when included :D
 
@CatPlusPlus networking library that doesn't do networking makes a lot of sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sorry, I'll make sure they put you on the mailing list!
 
user142019
This is how I'd do networking in C++:
1. Embed Python.
2. ???
3. Profit!
 
Drop the C++ part and you're golden.
 
10:42 PM
And then lock it when needing to get/update the ID.
 
> Google, Inc.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Platform? fadvise is not very well supported.
 
user142019
I like titanium more than gold.
 
I think even linux fs-es can disable it on user request.
 
@sehe Windows. Using .NET ideally.
 
10:43 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Why don't you derive a number from UTC time?
 
Xeo
In other (unrelated anime-) news, I quite like this ending after stumbling over it a few days ago. /cc @Mysticial @StackedCrooked
 
With a SMB drive.
@sehe Hmmm.
 
I think I drank a mosquito.
 
@sehe does it have simple TCP? All I see in the samples is HTTP
 
@CatPlusPlus You'll be fine.
 
10:44 PM
@Xeo Hopefully no awful lyrics.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus s/squ/j/?
 
Mojito?
That's a drink?
 
user142019
Ha! Mosquitowned!
 
Xeo
Yes
(White) Rum, Lime, Mint
Yummy
 
10:44 PM
TIL.
 
Xeo
Sometimes mixed with mineral water
 
I only have vodka.
 
Unless mixed by my friend Todd.
Then it's crap.
 
Flavoured.
 
user142019
I have cassis. :3
 
Xeo
10:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Will make you want to die.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus With Mosquito
 
user142019
And air.
 
Ell
Have you had skittles vodka?
 
@rightfold your twitter background is awesome
 
user142019
10:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz So am I.
 
@Rapptz :|
 
@Ell terrible.
 
@sehe I want IDs that remain reasonably small.
 
It's literally about colouring.
 
Ell
Haha very sickly
 
10:45 PM
They're for bug reports.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz :D
 
user142019
What does vodka taste like? The smell of markers?
 
So it would be cool if I could just yell the ID of the bug across the room.
 
Xeo
I like the tune, though
 
@Chemistpp I read that as "El terrible".
 
Ell
10:46 PM
@rightfold water
But it burns after its gone down
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would be bad tequila
 
I think there's an unwritten rule that all endings have to have some vague reference to love or friendship.
 
@Xeo Is it this season? I'm not gonna open it until I get off work.
 
@rightfold Like vodka.
 
Not like chicken.
 
Xeo
10:47 PM
@Mysticial Nah, last year
 
@rightfold Ethanol.
 
Xeo
Papa no .... whatever, too long of a name
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus "How many people live in America? The number of people that live in America."
 
user142019
:VVVVVVVVVVVVV
 
@Rapptz anime?
 
user142019
10:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Beh.
 
Yes, anime.
 
Ell
Is vodka just ethanol + water? Or does it have sugar n shiz?
 
user142019
Why would anyone drink that.
 
@rightfold How does a chicken taste?
 
@Ell Depends, but cheap vodka is usually just that, yes.
 
Ell
10:47 PM
Obviously if its flavoured it does
 
Like chicken.
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus Like a pigeon.
 
Not vodka.
 
Xeo
Like chicken, d'uh.
 
@Rapptz I was duped by inyusha far too long.
 
Xeo
10:48 PM
@Rapptz It feels like that, doesn't it.
 
I was in denial
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like alligator, you mean.
 
Ell
alligator_allocator
 
@Rapptz Nakama is the most powerful theme in new-style manga these days.
 
user142019
A bird that tastes like a rep-fucking-tile? Seems weird.
 
10:49 PM
@ThePhD It's the Japanese equivalent of the Magic of Friendship.
 
@Ell Mostly.
 
Birds are dinosaurs.
 
What the hell is premultiplied alpha
 
user142019
class Boa:
    def __init__():
        # Boa Constructor
        pass
 
@EtiennedeMartel Stop it I'm not going to watch MLP leave me alone stop torturing me ;~;
 
user142019
10:49 PM
@Ell ^
 
Xeo
@Rapptz: Have you watched Needless?
 
@Ell haha. I read someones code who was using Na, Nana, and shark for identifiers in a function. what a dick
 
@kbok A new world order.
 
@Xeo Nope.
 
Oh, I remember... @R.MartinhoFernandes, did you get to watch MLP or not?
 
10:50 PM
Not yet.
 
@kbok Alpha that's already inside RGB values.
 
Xeo
@rightfold We need a wordplay-cashbox
 
It's actually the new default setting as a way to achieve alpha blending. It simply assumes alpha information has been blended into the graphics' RGB components @kbok
 
Still not done with The Wire.
 
user142019
inb4 R. Martinho Fernandes first robot brony.
 
10:50 PM
Factor has boa constructors.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz It's an over-the-top Action-Comedy anime, really good.
But the ending is... interesting
 
Xeo
Especially just after the first episode.
 
Okay. Gotta convert manually then. Jeez
 
It then lets you adjust the alpha for the whole image directly, rather than figure out what it means in terms of each individual component @kbok
 
10:51 PM
no endings are like the game of thrones endings
 
XNA's spritebatch and several other 2D graphics systems have switched to this convention of Premultiplied Alpha as of late @kbok
 
holy balls I'm glad my last name isn't stark
 
Why am I appending @kbok instead of just replying directly to the messages
 
No spoilers.
 
10:51 PM
I am getting more and more sick. =[
 
This video contains content from The Anime Network, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's it.
 
@Xeo What show is it from?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz lol
 
GoT spoiler: everybody dies
 
10:52 PM
> This video contains content from The Anime Network, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
 
lol
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Read... the text?
 
Sweet.
 
I can probably tell how NSFW it is from just the title.
 
us mericans can't see it?
 
Xeo
10:52 PM
The name's right there!
 
He's at work
 
Xeo
I mean the message text
 
user142019
@Xeo We need a candybox
 
Xeo
The anime's name is "Needless"
 
user142019
Needles.
 
user142019
10:53 PM
Through your eyeball.
 
Xeo
(Of which the manga ended not long ago, btw)
 
As much as I'd like to, just because I work at YouTube doesn't mean I can watch NSFW YouTube videos. (at work)
@Xeo Hmm... never heard of it.
 
Xeo
heh
 
Just watched it.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial You should totally watch it!
 
10:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz cough.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yeah? Generate ids that are relatively small :)
 
Xeo
@Rapptz That plays at the end of the first episode already, long before the three characters in it are even introduced. (After an episode full of battles, IIRC)
 
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Q: What are those strange array sizes [*] and [static] in C99?

Kerrek SBApparently the following function prototypes are valid in C99 and C11: void foo(int a[const *]); void bar(int a[static volatile 10]); What is the purpose of those strange subscript notations *, static, and CV qualifiers? Do they help distinguish statically typed arrays from variable-length a...

 
Xeo
@Rapptz yes
 
10:55 PM
^ TIL KerrekSB is learning C99
 
user142019
@sehe half dupe
 
Fuck anonymous classes in Java. Makes shit so unreadable.
 
@sehe what?
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus s/anonymous classes in //
 
user142019
(You saw that one coming.)
 
10:56 PM
@Xeo It's not like anime endings are known to be spoiler free.
 
user142019
(Everyone did.)
 
@BartekBanachewicz "does it have simple TCP". Cough!
 
@sehe what's bad about that question?
 
It's a lazy question. And it's blazingly obvious.
It's a lazy-ass question and you should feel lazy.
 
maybe I should just go to sleep then.
Evangelising people is tiring
Also Puppy said "fuckin'" on SO
 

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