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9:00 PM
@rightfold I've seen that page how many times now. I'm not sure how that wouldn't stick in my mind, but it didn't.
 
@ThePhD Ugly and uninteresting.
 
the picture my mother, for some unknown reason, saw today and decided that today would be a perfect day to call up her son and tell her how irresponsible he is and that he doesn't think about the consequences of doing things
 
@CatPlusPlus Cmon, Shaaare. <3
 
Also I have no photos online I know of.
 
Aww, why not? :c
 
user142019
9:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus Emo.
 
In any case, that RVO/NRVO/std::move/references discussion messed with my head almost as much as that one discussion on whether someMap["a"] = someMap.count("a") ? 1 : 2; was UB or not.
 
btw PowerShell owns just because of coloured prompts.
 
> I'm looking for unpaid pixel artists to work on Temple Operating System.
 
@CatPlusPlus because the background is blue? .p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what. the. fuck. is. that?
 
9:09 PM
@melak47 No, the prompt.
 
you can have colored text, or what
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Holy jesus titty christ, what the fuck is that guy on? o.0
 
@ThePhD He's schizophrenic.
 
Oh.
That explains a lot.
 
user142019
9:13 PM
Man.
 
user142019
4chan is slow today.
 
terrible
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh
 
I just discovered that one of my dialog boxes in our product has a typo in the window name. Been there for three years now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes anyway what is that software?
 
9:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz His own operating system that has been developing for 10 years.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my mouth is actually wide open right now
I don't know what to say.
 
"If you don't have malware and you don't have bugs, protection just slows things down and makes the code complicated."
@chris oh hi
 
@MooingDuck Hi.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's just surreal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "it's 64bit"
god. there's no god.
 
9:31 PM
"Also, the source code has graphics." is my favourite.
 
please tell me you're struck as much as me by this
 
template <typename T>
ptr<RuntimeTextEncoding> make_runtime_encoding ( T encoding = T() ) {
	return make_ptr<RuntimeTextEncoding>( new RuntimeTextEncoding<T>( std::move(encoding ) ) );
}
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not because I knew about it before (I posted because I found this new video asking for artists)
 
factory functions!
Factory functions everywhere!
 
It's not a codebase, it's mainland China.
 
9:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Clever.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's something about that that gives me that "wrong" feeling inside
kinda similar to seeing thephd's code.
 
It's kinda... creepy
you shouldn't show me stuff like that I'm a very emotional person.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, he can be very very creepy sometimes.
I never know what to think.
 
Suggestion: be accurate in your specs. And consider adding the language tag... — sehe 3 secs ago
java creeps
 
9:37 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ¬_¬
 
user142019
@sehe Close as Questions asking for code must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved. Tell us what you've tried to do, why it didn't work, and how it should work. See also: Stack Overflow question checklist? Not sure.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm constantly amazed by his skills and accomplishments, but he always seems completely delusional (well, he kinda is) and that makes me sad.
> The holocaust? Wanted to "compact" the Jews.
:(
 
> There is a really interesting video from the recent GDC 2013 conference that goes into detail about how Valve and Nvidia ported the Source engine to the Linux platform. The majority of the talk focuses on the port from D3D to OpenGL. There is nothing but glowing praise for OpenGL throughout the talk. Definitely worth checking out
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah i mean this stuff works. screw bad art, all of this actually works.
 
Yay, OpenGL porting. :D
if valve can do it, I can do it too!
 
@thecoshman Are you learning French?
 
9:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Uh.. They talked about the tools they used.
 
@Nican and about OpenGL itself
 
Also NS2 is porting to OpenGL too: unknownworlds.com/ns2/state-of-development-june-2013 :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel no... but i guess the hopefully person in me should learn more then 'hello'.
 
@Nican DirectX is a dying technology
 
hmmm.
 
9:43 PM
@thecoshman Fun fact, in Quebec, we prounounce things weird.
 
@thecoshman I just saw a nice idea about DSA
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't twit, you twat!
I twote with #loungecpp
 
@sehe Oh twat.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ¬_¬ as if it isn't going to be hard enough for me
 
@thecoshman that's what she said
 
9:44 PM
For instance, in "tout", the second t is supposed to be silent, but it's common to hear it as "toutte" here (i.e. the t is not silent).
 
@BartekBanachewicz Even Internet Explorer now has WebGL. :P
 
@Nican win!
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh, well that's good, as that is how I would try it say it :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz as long as microsoft is a major player I don't think DirectX will ever die
 
@thecoshman "Le boutte de toutte".
 
9:45 PM
they get a lot of advantages out of owning their own tech
 
@BartekBanachewicz They said that of COBOL.
 
@JustinMeiners microsoft will start supporting OGL on their phones eventually
 
@EtiennedeMartel the something of something ?
 
@EtiennedeMartel looks pretty dead to me
 
user142019
COBOL is nice.
 
9:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz on phones might be true
 
yes, it's nice that's dead.
 
@rightfold Nice and dead
 
user142019
Elixir is also nice and dead. Dead from the beginning.
 
@JustinMeiners then the xbox, but on xbox you go to the hardware directly anyway
 
@rightfold What is it with you and COBOL?
 
9:47 PM
@rightfold elixir was never alive
@Nican s/COBOL/any hipster language/
 
user142019
> Dead from the beginning.
 
@thecoshman "The end of all".
 
@BartekBanachewicz right - but PC will always require an abstraction and microsft is not about to ditch DirectX
 
@rightfold you added that later
 
Also, sometimes we create letters. Like "ici" becoming "icitte".
 
9:47 PM
@JustinMeiners hint: PCs run OpenGL all well
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz I added it before you replied. You're slow and I win.
 
having their own graphics stack has worked well for them in the past.
 
and yes, I think microsoft will ditch OGL at some point
 
it might well work out for them again.
 
the usage of Dx is degrading
 
9:48 PM
eh, I doubt that.
 
It is just not hipster enough to use DirectX.
 
people are starting to game on mobile.
 
@BartekBanachewicz OpenGL is a slow moving technology - DirectX can change at microsofts whip
 
I think that a very few people who have buckets of money are going to OpenGL and crowing about how great it is.
 
@JustinMeiners and you think that's good?
 
9:48 PM
@JustinMeiners It still requires support from GPU manufacturers.
 
and everybody else is looking at their sales numbers and noticing that the extra business of selling on Linux/Mac isn't justified.
 
@JustinMeiners Microsoft is still bound at the hardware level.
 
@DeadMG Actually it's pretty big number
 
@JustinMeiners It still requires people to code for it
 
@DeadMG it's not about linux and mac
 
9:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz with bringing out new features yes - Dx10/dx11 tesselation was out far before opengl
 
it's about web and mobile
 
stuff
 
user142019
I need a new Twitter background.
 
those two are irrelevant.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Side note: DirectX has been well-supported by GPU manufacturers far before AMD and NVidia rolled full OpenGL support.
 
9:49 PM
@JustinMeiners bullshit.
@ThePhD in 2001?
 
IIRC, last I checked AMD was still flopping on OpenGL 4.3 drivers.
@BartekBanachewicz Try March 2013.
 
you're not going to have an OGL-based desktop system and then magically port it to mobile.
 
@BartekBanachewicz how many OpenGL 4.0 drivers were out since vista
 
the environment and architecture are completely different.
 
@DeadMG you are now either denying facts or are simply dumb.
 
9:50 PM
wow
shoulda left you plonked
 
@BartekBanachewicz How is OpenGL ES 3 going?
 
I don't think it's a great idea to jump to any new technology from MS, they have dropped a few "next big things" before
 
I guess that I couldn't possibly actually have a valid opinion.
 
of course, not everyone's using Supa Dupa Tessellation. :D
 
@DeadMG there are hundreds of millions of dollars in mobile market
 
9:50 PM
Fun to read:
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A: Why do game developers prefer Windows?

Nicol BolasMany of the answers here are really, really good. But the OpenGL and Direct3D (D3D) issue should probably be addressed. And that requires... a history lesson. And before we begin, I know far more about OpenGL than I do about Direct3D. I've never written a line of D3D code in my life, and I've wr...

 
@BartekBanachewicz there is still more money in desktops
 
i don't know how much you'd require to call it releveant
 
Because as long as this is not widely supported, I'll consider OpenGL as one big pile of committee-designed suit-driven bullshit
 
@BartekBanachewicz Of which, targetting OGL on desktop nets you zero.
 
@DeadMG what?
 
9:50 PM
even if there werent it is still a massive market
not to be ignored
 
you cannot convert a desktop-based game into a mobile game by just re-targetting your compiler.
 
that's not the point
 
it's entirely the point.
 
no, you're missing on what I said earlier.
 
the fact that in theory, OGL ES and OGL desktop have a couple things in common is irrelevant.
 
9:51 PM
it is very relevant.
 
developers are not going to find it substantially easier to port to mobile from OGL desktop.
 
OGLES2 is shit.
 
compared to using DX on desktop.
 
and the fact you can't run Dx on iOS and Android is another problem
 
no, it's irrelevant.
 
9:52 PM
to what exactly?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wasn't really hard to port our engine.
 
since I'm going to have to re-architecture my codebase to work on iOS and Android anyway.
 
I'm guessing you're just lazy.
 
@DeadMG let's see then
the biggest game engine there is
Fucking Unreal Engine
 
anecdote -> fail.
 
9:53 PM
1.5 MILLIONS LINES OF CODE
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's also quite badly written.
 
like in what, 4 days?
 
Lots of people play desktop games and thats not going away
 
especially since UE mostly make their money licencing to other clients, so they have a lot more justification for supporting obscure platforms.
 
oh btw I did cloc on the Source sdk - 1 million lines o fcode
 
9:53 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Wait. Their renderer is 1.5M LoC?
 
@JustinMeiners a lot of desktop games is written in OGL
 
they're hardly a representative sample.
 
Xeo
Wow, Cube World registration has ~0.74% Uptime
 
@BartekBanachewicz more are written in DX
 
Xeo
Shop is ~4.1%
 
9:53 PM
@EtiennedeMartel the whole engine.
@JustinMeiners more AAA or more in general?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then why do you bring that up when we're talking about a renderer?
Are you perhaps pulling shit out of your ass?
 
because the renderer was a big part of it silly.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Are you joking?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Erm. No.
 
9:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you heard me say it, you wouldn't be thinking I'm joking.
@BartekBanachewicz A renderer is a minuscule part of a game engine.
 
ITT Renderer is not a big part of Unreal Engine.
 
@BartekBanachewicz both
total and AAA
 
UE is mostly tools anyway.
 
I'm pretty sure that Etienne has actually seen the source.
from memory.
 
@EtiennedeMartel agreed
 
9:55 PM
@JustinMeiners then numbers or didn't happen.
 
so I think I'mma take his word for it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol your the one making a more suprising claim
 
Tooling for UE definitely took way longer to create than the engine itself.
 
burden of evidence is on you
 
we're completely far away from the point again.
 
9:55 PM
@Xeo lol
 
@JustinMeiners what
 
I'm working with UE4 right now. Even with that, the majority of clients licensed to use UE4 do so on Windows -- and UE4 chooses DX11 when it can, except when not available. UE3 and 4 have both OpenGL and DirectX drivers. They both seem to work for both platforms, and in the end they do have separate projects for iOS and Android which are complete re-works or many base components to make it work.
 
What I'm saying is, if your engine is relatively well done, swapping D3D for OGL (or the other way around) is trivial.
 
If you support DX and GL, choosing DX by default is reasonable.
 
user142019
Ahhh fuckk.
 
9:56 PM
okay, so maybe let's go back to the point.
 
Is there not way these days to migrate this to CodeReview? stackoverflow.com/q/17558880/85371
 
user142019
Why can't I disable fixed background on Twitter.
 
They have incredibly similar feature sets.
 
from jaif "Look at the facts. For the last decade or so, nearly every PC game has used DirectX primarily. Early versions of DirectX (think DirectX 4.0) were pretty awful, but it's been a long time since DirectX has been "inferior". Do you think Microsoft bribes game developers to use their API? Or could it simply be that their API was a better choice?
"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wut? The point is loungeCPP
 
user142019
9:56 PM
@sehe flag
 
jalf*
 
because puppy nearly replonked me from calling bullshit on "mobile and web is irrelevant"
 
@rightfold nah. flagging is annoying
 
Fuck mobile.
And web especially.
 
Okay
 
9:57 PM
i don't get it
 
Okay break over, time to Android more.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did you ever work in games?
 
I honestly don't get it.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I said that OGL and OGL ES being similar are irrelevant as to the difficulties of porting to mobile and web.
 
9:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I turned that offer down.
 
er, well, actually, I might have said "mobile and web are irrelevant", but that was shorthand.
 
:lol:
 
and I said DirectX or desktop gaming are not going anywhere - in fact pc gaming is bigger than ever
 
@CatPlusPlus Don't leave, we need your DeadMG -> English dictionary.
4
 
9:58 PM
@DeadMG nice shorthand
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then, how can you talk about game development decisions without either experience or quotes from someone with experience in that field?
 
opengl is not replacing the windows graphics market anytime soon
 
8 mins ago, by DeadMG
you're not going to have an OGL-based desktop system and then magically port it to mobile.
 
I'm going to eat a banana.
 
ok, I guess that's relatively clear.
 
9:58 PM
@JustinMeiners So? It doesn't have to.
 
@JustinMeiners it doesn't have to replace anything
@DeadMG I've already agreed with you on that
 
You keep banging on about how OGL is superior to D3D but don't actually seem to consider real world constraints. You're just fanboying, like those guys who claim MongoDB is better than MySQL because it's "webscale" or whatever.
 
ok, fair enough.
 
I am now eating the banana.
 
lolrobot
 
9:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel no, I am just trying to keep the wider perspective
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Beers, dude. BEERS.
 
right - bartek was claiming that Directx will "phase out"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it long?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But can you defend yourself against it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz The Wide perspective right now is "Fixing parser error reporting".
 
9:59 PM
and one thing you're completely missing is for example training developers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is "wider perspective" another way to say "mind wanking"?
 

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