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8:00 PM
@kbok Ahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
@melak47 Except all my stuff is RGBA right now, not BGRA. ._.
 
@ThePhD doesn't matter
 
Who the fuck does that, makes everything BGRA?
 
Ouya king of consoles
 
I've spent 100$ in worse things
 
8:00 PM
all you have to do is create the device with the BGRA_SUPPORT_WHATEVER flag
 
@melak47 The textures, though.
Don't they have to be in BGRA?
 
yes
so?
 
=l
 
user142019
Gah
 
d3d smart, d3d know red, green blue
 
8:01 PM
TCP packet walks into a bar & says “I’d like a beer.” Barman replies “You’d like a beer?” “Yes,” replies TCP packet,“I’d like a beer.”
4
 
user142019
Every language should have print function available at all times.
 
You realize no texture ever is stored in BGRA on disk, or even BGR, right?
 
Extra funny because it's him
 
@ThePhD I think windows does the whole desktop composition in BGRA. lol
 
@ThePhD BMPs are. But no one should care about BMPs.
 
8:03 PM
@melak47 If I create a texture with RGB or RGBA, will it automatically play nice with D2D?
 
@ThePhD eh, I uh, don't know, but eh.
why not just give it an BGRA texture, and compose that onto your crap?
I think when I did that, I didn't even have to flip the B and R channels for it to work right
 
If I post here a tweet from @CPPLoungeAsylum and it gets starred, will @Tony post it on @CPPLoungeAsylum?
 
there's a way to find out!
 
It happened already.
 
What? Planetary Annihilation is 90$?
 
8:06 PM
54 mins ago, by ThePhD
Would you wear a cowboy hat while you did it and whisper naughty things in my ear about void pointers?~
 
@EtiennedeMartel for alpha access, since it's essentially the same deal as the kickstarter orders
 
@EtiennedeMartel If you like the fancy alpha version.
In all due sincerity, I do not believe it should be there.
 
Linktomessagesdammit
 
@CatPlusPlus who are you talking to? link plz
 
Also I want XMPP.
Stupid chat.
 
8:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz buy it a ring
 
@melak47 Well, we'll find out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i am not following that ever
@sehe heh...
 
@ThePhD Actually I think I'm pretty sure. Remember this?
 
I want Joda Time's webpage to work.
 
@TonyTheLion objecting. There's no polar bear
@CatPlusPlus Want it harder!
 
8:11 PM
I made the text orange, and it came out orange
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
@melak47 Not bananas?
 
@CatPlusPlus Wait, Java?
 
@kbok No
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not plonking him for no reason.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dammit
 
8:12 PM
@TonyTheLion So, what do you post?
 
now I'll have to do it again
 
@sehe If you find something better, I'll change it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh dear.
 
@sehe starred stuff and things that I consider funny and anything you want me to post
 
You plonked ThePhD?
 
8:12 PM
@TonyTheLion :) it was a principled objection, only. On the pragmatic side, I'll prefer laziness
 
@TonyTheLion That last leg is a giant DoS waiting to happen.
 
It has to go through me first, I can filter
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Blows my fucking mind.
 
its not automated
 
8:13 PM
@TonyTheLion You're the one being DoSed.
 
the roof of my mouth is suddenly very lumpy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am unplonking him normally and when my wtf'o'meter goes to 9 I plonk him again
 
 
@EtiennedeMartel what?
 
8:14 PM
^ To think he's back from 2015
 
@kbok ah man
 
@DeadMG lumpy o_O
 
@BartekBanachewicz I guess I'll never understand plonking.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Either that or I leave the chat when he joins.
I just can't stand the amount of bullshit he's able to produce
 
Especially here. I mean, most of the fun comes from batshit statements from the various insane asshats that lurk in here.
 
8:14 PM
What did he do that was so bad?
 
> most of the fun comes from batshit statements from the various insane asshats that lurk in here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's resembling everything I'm trying to run away from.
 
that's the new tag line of my twitter feed
thanks @EtiennedeMartel :)
 
> batshit insane asshats
 
improper project planning, "write it yourself", no real thinking, toy code.
 
8:15 PM
I just found a "boolean" variable in my C++ code. Fucking Java in my Windows Kit.
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, so it is you.
 
I see everything I did wrong WRT programming in what he does.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You think they were making that up?
 
@BartekBanachewicz So the problem is you, not him.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes, indeed. Never said it wasn't.
 
8:16 PM
@TonyTheLion I don't wait to taste the shit that comes out of my mouth.
 
hahaha
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@melak47 Teach me, master. :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel I am a batshit crazy asshat too, after all.
 
@ThePhD install this :p
 
My GF: "it's not like there's 100 things to do in Paris either" wtf
 
8:19 PM
@Xeo Duly noted.
 
user142019
TIL: eating vla without a spoon but with a beard is a bad idea.
 
Xeo
@rightfold ahaha
 
@melak47 Wait. Is everyone I deploy my game to have to install this update to run it too?
 
@ThePhD I think so ^_^
 
@kbok She's sort of right. It is hard to narrow things down to only 100 things to do in Paris.
 
Xeo
8:20 PM
Eating it without an extra bowl is also a bad idea, unless you eat the whole thing at once
 
I should buy vla.
 
@melak47 Unacceptibru.
 
@rightfold vla?
 
Not sure if it's available in Belgium though.
 
@ThePhD require win8. problem solved
 
Xeo
8:21 PM
@StackedCrooked Heck, it's even available in Germany!
 
=l
 
user142019
@kbok vla.
 
So DIrect2D isn't workable on Windows 7, then.
At least, not with DirectX 11.
Laaaame.
 
Your pathetic tears of whining over DirectX fill me with joy.
 
user142019
8:21 PM
@StackedCrooked Ach niet zo zeuren; de grens is vlakbij.
 
o.0
 
@JerryCoffin She would be if that was the message she wanted to convey
 
@rightfold I should get some weed as well then :P
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked Not possible.
 
What?
 
8:22 PM
@melak47 DirectWrite is part of Direct2D, right?
 
@ThePhD it is...you just have to use the crappy old d2d 1.0 interface, and perform IDXGIKeyedMutex vodoo interop through a D3D10 device
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked You need a government-issued card to buy weed legally.
 
user142019
You can only get it if you're Dutch and 18+.
 
user142019
Otherwise you can't.
 
@melak47 Lol. Bump that.
 
8:23 PM
That's a recent rule then?
 
user142019
You can buy it illegally, of course, but if you get caught you're screwed.
 
@melak47 I love how you're all doing this to yourselves and saying how bad is the GL api
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked Since a year or so.
 
@rightfold Pretty much like everywhere else
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not a wuss, I just installed the update :p
 
8:23 PM
@rightfold Really screwed? I find that hard to imagine.
 
user142019
You can ask a friend of mine to buy it for you at the coffee shop. :P
 
I can also ask a friend for some.
 
> Oh noez using this functionality requires the user to have the update that adds it installed! -- ThePhD
 
user142019
He makes space cakes.
 
8:24 PM
Anyway I'll probably visit Netherlands this August.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz cooooooooooooooooooooool :3
 
user142019
Where do you go to?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sorry, what text rendering does OpenGL come with that plays nice with anything?
 
@rightfold the point is I dunno yet.
@ThePhD OpenGL doesn't come with text rendering. Choose any text rendering method as you wish.
 
I really need to go on holiday
 
8:25 PM
... So the answer is none, and you're back to finding an external solution.
Cute.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Go to Curaçao.
 
@rightfold My friend from Oxford got an internship there (I think) and offered to share some space.
 
@ThePhD I hope you're not hoping to do OGL <-> D3D interop for text drawing?
 
user142019
Cool.
 
@melak47 :3c
 
8:26 PM
@rightfold it will most probably be Amsterdam anyway
 
user142019
Cool.
 
but if you or the bear shall happen to be somewhere near, it'd be cool to meet up.
Well I'll let you know when I know more details.
@ThePhD back? I was never considering anything else. Serious Dx games also use external font rendering.
 
yay
Wide can has recursive lambdas.
 
@DeadMG how? self(stuff - 1) ?
 
8:30 PM
@melak47 Well, the body of the lambda is the body of a member operator() of the closure type.
so this refers to the closure instance.
 
Fun things to do with Android app: changing package name.
 
@DeadMG this(stuff-1)?
@CatPlusPlus ~Fun~
 
*this(stuff-1)?
 
I wonder if it'll work properly if I just change the package in <manifest> and leave the rest fully-qualified.
 
I don't think this is a pointer
 
 Main() {
    x := function(val) {
        if (val <= 5) return;
        std.cout << val;
        this(++val);
    };
    x(0);
}
 
I wouldn't expect it to be.
exactly.
 
You'd think it should, but then again it's Android.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG waaaat
 
@DeadMG waaaaaaaat?
 
8:32 PM
@Xeo I kinda like it.
@StackedCrooked hey, this actually makes sense
 
personally, I don't see why not.
 
Xeo
How do you refer to the actual this of an enclosing class?
 
Oh right, it changes the package of R.
FUN.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I just wanted to say that for once.
 
well, currently, you can't.
you can refer to the member variables, though.
 
8:33 PM
tee hee
you gotta fix that somehow
inb4 ::this
 
Cue thisof(member)
 
just add a "self" member :p
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus No need to wonder. The answer is obviously "no".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thisof(this)? :>
3
 
habitat
 
8:34 PM
eh, unfortunate fact that this is a bit ambiguous in this case.
 
user142019
@DeadMG How about x := function()[x := x] { … }?
 
this is pointer, self is (const) reference version?
 
@rightfold x cannot be referred to in it's own initializer.
 
Xeo
I guess function(...)[self := this]{ ... }
Unless that this already refers to the closure
 
@Xeo Nope.
 
Xeo
8:35 PM
Still awkward
 
at least, I'm pretty sure it won't.
 
user142019
Add a new keyword that refers to the current function.
 
user142019
Or maybe… what Xeo said. :v
 
VLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGHHHHHH...
that failed..
 
8:36 PM
auto f = reflection[__FUNCTION__]; :P
 
well
actually, changing this would be quite problematic for me.
 
Xeo
A lambda should be as transparent as possible, imho. If you really need to recurse, you can go in two stages, I think
 
@ThePhD why on earth should it be a pointer?
anyway what Xeo said is OK
 
mostly because lambdas are implemented on the AST level by a transformation.
 
@BartekBanachewicz he said reference
 
8:37 PM
the semantic layer doesn't know anything specific about lambda types compared to any other type.
 
@StackedCrooked read again.
 
he said reference ammit!
 
@DeadMG then do it as Xeo suggested and let's all hug
 
Xeo
function(val){
  f := function(self, val){ ... self(...); }
  f(f, val);
}
^ kind of deal
 
8:37 PM
hmm, where's the mod room again?
 
> this is pointer, self is (const) reference version?
 
I bought bananas today.
2
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Tavern on Meta, or something?
 
@BartekBanachewicz obviously this is a pointer, that's nothing new
 
@Xeo Well, not as big a deal in Wide as it is in C++ because generic lambdas, but it's still not as clean as the original version.
 
8:38 PM
@Xeo oh right, meta, not stackexchange.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG What I wrote above would also be the way C++14 has recursive lambdas
 
@Xeo f := y(function(self, val){ ... self(...); })
 
Xeo
Of course, you can forego the outer lambda, but then the user has to manually pass the lambda to itself, which seems awkward.
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
I never fully understood y-combinators :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz HEY!
 
8:39 PM
@kbok I feel obliged to post that code everywhere now.
 
Xeo
The compiler was crashing, so I attached the debugger to the compiler. Then both the compiler and debugger were crashing together. :-|
 
no, really, I posted it for bananas :)
 
Xeo
So, naturally, I attached a debugger to the crashing debugger debugging the crashing compiler.
Then both debuggers and the compiler were all crashing. At this point, I knew something was fishy...
 
@BartekBanachewicz I also don't know what you're doing, that's supposed to be D2D1CreateFactory(D2D1_FACTORY_TYPE_SINGLE_THREADED, __uuidof(ID2D1Factory1), &fopt, (void**)&factory); :3
 
Xeo
8:40 PM
And the conclusion:
I discovered I had %PATH% incorrectly set and the debugger was loading my buggy CRT build that was causing the compiler to crash. *sigh*
 
@melak47 get the hell far from me.
@Xeo totally legit
 
@Xeo let x = f x in x. There's nothing else to understand!
 
@melak47 No, it isn't
 
@BartekBanachewicz tabs and spaces. YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID
 
the D2D1 headers have some templates in them that can simplify that code.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know it looks terrible, but I really think those enum things, pointer injections, etc. are details. I like how you can quickly load a texture, get a window and a drawing surface, and blit.
 
> pointer injections, etc. are details
 
A programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.” The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.

- [geeky jokes @ independent.co.uk](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-many-surrealists-does-it-take-to-screw-in-a-light-bulb-a-fish-the-most-highbrow-jokes-in-the-world-8691191.html)
 
@Xeo PATH is fun.
 
@refp A billion years old
 
8:41 PM
Windows starts to freak out when PATH is too big.
 
@JamesMcNellis You're taking dogfooding to the next level!
 
@kbok I like how it all looks like it's going to collapse when I reboot.
 
@Xeo A day in the life.
 
@CatPlusPlus My Windows cleared my path when it got too large, lol.
Just nuked the whole goddamn thing.
 
@DeadMG why does nobody tell me these things!
 
8:42 PM
So many programs stopped working -- it was The Greats.
=[
 
They just couldn't load it.
 
@melak47 because they are special secret stuff
 
I have no idea what text rendering solution to choose.
 
ITT Sleepy ThePhD sets PATH to "", blames Windows.
 
@DeadMG the link might be a billion years old, but so is the universe and I don't see you complaining about that. close your eyes if you don't like it.
 
8:42 PM
@ThePhD And then your system was back to it's snappy speed like when it was new?
 
@ThePhD Win8 :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also for tabs and spaces, I really have no idea. VS went crazy I suppose.
 
I use Rapid Env Editor, and the DWM/Aero stops working when I run it when the PATH is too big.
 
@melak47 gtfo with your DirectShit already :S
 
8:42 PM
not my fault you can't read the docs
 
@melak47 That's not a goddamn solution. D:<
 
@kbok Ctrl-R,Ctrl-W
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd wager a broken installer that overwrites the PATH, not checking for errors
 
@ThePhD just ship the stupid update with your installer
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't that just... f f f f f f f ...?
 
8:43 PM
=[
 
@BartekBanachewicz I shouldn't have to do that though, I never changed the config or used anything else than VS
 
@Xeo No.
 
@Xeo No, that's a fixpoint.
 
@ThePhD why the long face? it only bluescreens a handful of crappy old mobile graphics cards
 
y(f, ...) { return f(f, ...); }
 
@kbok well it's VS, what'cha expect. I also fucked my code a bit until I've realized it's inserting tabs.
 
will something such as build_indices<...> be available in the standard for c++14, does anyone (in here*) know?
* I guess I'll need to be specific..
 
Xeo
yes
 
std::make_integer_sequence or something
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut
 
8:46 PM
@Xeo talking to me? and I shouldn't have asked two questions at once.. which one, if you were replying to me, did you answer; both or just the latter?
 
I voted to approve that paper myself.
 
Oh well.
 
@DeadMG ah, wicked!
 
I'm tired fo sifting through all these font rendering solutions.
I'm going to go draw something.
Maybe of Etienne.
 
Wow...didn't realize so many people love being negative here.... — Goffredo Bosco 56 mins ago
Thanks for putting me right and adding a lot to this discussion. This is collaboration at it's very best. One of the reasons that stackoverflow is one of the most visited sites on the planet. — Goffredo Bosco 5 mins ago
Job done.
 
8:47 PM
@DeadMG too bad the name is so long though.. but other than that; awesome
 
@ThePhD if you find something good that has some sort of d3d interop, let me know :p
 
Xeo
Okay, still not getting fixed points of functions and fix. :|
I must be missing something
 
user142019
@Xeo Laziness?
 
@melak47 But ~~Windows 8~~, right?
 
@ThePhD fuck windows 8 :/
 
Xeo
8:49 PM
Wait, I guess let x = f x in x makes more sense if f actually takes more than one parameter, huh?
 
user142019
Prelude> let xs = 42 : xs in xs
[42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,…
 
Not really.
 
Xeo
7 mins ago, by Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't that just... f f f f f f f ...?
It really looks like that
 
@Xeo yes fix generates an infinitely long chain of applications
 
No, it allows recursion.
 
8:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yes....
 
I always forget that pizzas bake faster in summer...
 
@jozefg Not the same thing.
 
Windows rates my laptop's crappy HDD a 5.9 on the "Windows Experience Index"... yet opening just the fucking task manager while anything is using the disk takes ~25 seconds
 
Hint WEI is useless.
 
Clearly it should be rated 25.9.
 
8:53 PM
@chris voted to delete
 
Just FWIW, WEI seems to be gone in 8.1.
 
@CatPlusPlus s/EI//
 
It's odd how you can say "I'd rate it as 99.9" and people assume that it's "very very good, almost perfect". why aren't more people using scales from 1 to 1024?
 
@CatPlusPlus a fixpoint fix of f is just fix = f fix, so let x = fix x in x is the same as let x = fix (fix x) in x etc
 
8:54 PM
@JerryCoffin heh
 
Thank you. If you are satisfied with my answer - press accepted button please. — sasha.sochka Jun 23 at 12:30
TIL there's an "accepted button" too
 
> Spin up time: 73014444.0 seconds
I guess that explains it
my HDD is still spinning up!
 
Do 20k users have addition deletion voting options or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me and you are gonna have to drink a lot of beers together at at least one point in our lives.
 
How's that related to bananas?
 
8:56 PM
@chris apparently
 
I don't recall that ever being mentioned in the list, but all I have is flagging and that doesn't seem direct.
 
@sehe TIL is an acronym for.. what exactly? I always ask myself that and tell myself to "google it later", but always forget about it.. with the current history of me forgetting to google it I might just ask instead and hope I'll find the answer that way
 
@melak47 And will be for the next two years.
 
@CatPlusPlus since fix is passed itself infinitely many times, when we hit the least fixed point, eg f = fix f the chain collapses and we get a nonbottom result. This allows recursion when fix is a HOF.
 
8:57 PM
 
Hm.
I need to find out what CatPlusPlus' face looks like.
 
user142019
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes welp
 
 

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