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12:00 PM
I am thinking
 
Greetings cow-workers,

You suck.

[C++ standard quote about inline]

I am awesome.

Sincerely,

Tony
3
Try sending this next time.
What?
 
user1357851
Haha this is hilarious, why did not see this earlier: Man forced to stop walking owls by busy Plymouth road
 
whatever.
 
They are not redundant. They separate the paragraphs.
 
lol pedantry at it's best
 
12:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't use double linebreak after "Sincerely"
 
Paragraphs don't end with a comma.
 
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Anyway, here it is compressed.
It might have been corrupted by the displaying.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes -1 should be base64
 
@BartekBanachewicz but that makes it less compressed
 
H4sICBBITFEAA3Rlc3QADcwxDoMwDAXQ3afwTuklOqDOsFRVBxO+UATYqp0o4vZwgPcGB0rWNThZ65v5‌​Bo8H0ccqR03bk+j76jqOIrqIL/yvVsAyWy2cdc+KH9Gb5WBpCDtwizFrgmM/72gyPekCgO7fMGYAAAA=
4
Happy?
 
12:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes rainbows
 
I should have got at least one banana in there.
 
Now star it!
You promised!
hahahaa
 
Yea, compressed version needs a star too.
 
:8424808 Well, maybe with your mails, it could go either way.. :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no
 
12:05 PM
@Zoidberg where?
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@jalf It isn't much use if it's not correct (i.e. borked by the browser)
 
user142019
@sehe Reddit, I think.
 
user142019
Or something.
 
Also, has anyone noticed that the compressed version is actually longer (I think?)?
 
2 mins ago, by jalf
@BartekBanachewicz but that makes it less compressed
 
12:06 PM
Oh um, isn't "is an array-to-pointer conversion an lvalue-to-rvalue conversion" an ongoing defect or something?
I don't think I'm wording it right.
 
When decompressed, it says 'Dont use inline - use macros instead'.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, I understood it wrong then
 
begin 664 manifesto.bz2
M0EIH.3%!629367#MT.$```W7@``00`\(H`PJ/J^^H"``2(AJ;4,R@&(::/4*
MGE#U'E/*``#R1">#5N8&\>;>S/YN<"6%9H#!U`S=2V0J):.$*FD7\N:6F5BQ
@`A0.?K8_.K(ZW!&`E)&*H!F,CGEI^+N2*<*$@X=NAP@`
`
end
@R.MartinhoFernandes More amenable to MUA's:
 
Is that the regex to serialize emails?
 
(by the way, base64 -d < rmf-compressed-text | zcat | bzip2 | uuencode manifesto.bz2 to reproduce that)
@Mikhail No, it's a uuencoded attachment 'manifesto.bz2' (that is the bzip2 compressed message by Tony.)
 
12:10 PM
> An lvalue or rvalue of type “array of N T” or “array of unknown bound of T” can be converted to a prvalue of type “pointer to T”.
 
So I once used the following stackoverflow.com/a/719543/314290 and it didn't work too well. seemed too strict.
 
That's ambiguous isn't it?
 
$ ls -l test
-rw-r--r-- 1 rmf users 102 Mar 22 13:06 test
$ bzip2 test
$ ls -l test.bz2
-rw-r--r-- 1 rmf users 122 Mar 22 13:06 test.bz2
$
 
I'm thinking it doesn't mean 'any expression with that value category that happens to have the right type'.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes to really compress it one would prolly need bitwise huffman coding
 
12:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh - reverse compression.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol. It doesn't matter: it is compressed. The ration is >1.0 but that is not relevant to mathematicians
 
Speaking of rations, I need launch.
;)
 
@sehe FTR, the gzipped version (what is starred) gives 119 bytes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know if that would matter.
 
12:12 PM
01:11 PM/tmp % base64 -d < dat | zcat | wc -c
102
01:11 PM/tmp % base64 -d < dat | wc -c
119
 
@BartekBanachewicz What makes it larger is the storage of the dictionary alongside.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Got a concrete example of how you think it's ambiguous?
 
Storing dictionaries frequently makes my duffel bag heavier too
 
@jrok: I've never quite been able to satisfy myself from the standard that this doesn't violate strict aliasing, but if what the questioner wants to do is possible at all then this is the way to do it. Whether the contents of the vector are referred to via a float* or float(*)[3], all access to the values of the objects in the arrays will eventually be via lvalues of type float, so there's a reasonable chance that it conforms to the standard... — Steve Jessop 21 mins ago
An interesting interpretation. (<- grain of salt. treat pointers and arrays seriously!)
 
@sehe dat pun
 
Xeo
12:15 PM
@LucDanton Ugh, aliasing... not gonna dig into that
 
@Xeo If I were charitable I'd say that there is a defect in the wording and it should be fixed to disallow that interpretation. Not today though...
tl;dr don't worry, nothing' borken
 
I was just trying to help someone understand a theoretical concept, and illustrated it with code example in C++. He then said "stop, I don't understand C++". I said, "Fine", and proceeded to explain the concept itself. He then started to write "stop it", "stop, I do not understand C++", even when I stopped even mentioning the code I posted. People on the internet are fucking idiots and I am starting to realize that trying to help anyone there is a fucking waste of time and nerves.
Nah, just dropping some shitty ranting about stupid people on the internet and going away.
 
@Griwes typical
 
was thinking the same.,
 
Well, it happens. "Typical" is just sentiment, though
 
12:26 PM
@KingJohnno oh you randomized a nice avatar
 
@KingJohnno What? "stop, I don't understand C++"?
 
@Griwes Nothing to do with the Internet.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, it was nice before it got randomized
 
Hahaha, I won't beat about the bush. I only started C++ at the start of this year.
 
@LucDanton It's got to with communication. Gah. Typical :)
 
12:27 PM
and Thanks @bartek
 
@KingJohnno Which is a great time for starting things
 
Indeed, :-) I am studying Security at Uni and we do it as one of the modules.
It is stupidly hard, but I enjoy it.
 
@KingJohnno C++ or security?
@KingJohnno Also that's what she said
 
Comp Security
 
@KingJohnno It's a great way to learn about how security is a problem :) Not so much on "how to prevent security problems"....
 
12:28 PM
@sehe Yah. I don't want people to give up on the Internet due to things like this. The Internet is just that great at communication that all the bad things about it are amplified that much. Invest in filters, not ancient communication technology!
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol! good one.
 
@LucDanton I hate it when people say "I am not going to argue because it's the internet"
 
@sehe well, exactly.
The internet is made for arguing?
that and watching porn :p
 
Centuries ago people argued by sending letters to each other. And now we supposingly can't make a reasonable discussion with emails and IMs and whatnot
That makes me really sad.
 
Life is for creatures. People think arguing matters. Hence the confusion
 
user1357851
12:30 PM
The term 'script kiddie' kind of reminds me of the question how many 1337 hackers actually suck at C/C++, or even Java?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It is a different form of communication, I think with the internet growing at the rate it is, maybe one day evolution will take away our voice.
 
user1357851
maybe they only need to know VB or maybe Javascript
 
@BartekBanachewicz You must be new here. That shouldn't make you sad. It's just a fact of life. As you've just described so aptly yourself
@KingJohnno Arguing whether internet is for porn or for arguing!
Nice name change BTW
 
@Telkitty That's why 'script kiddie' - there are no 'script adults' 'cos the languages drove them to suicide.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, when you have to write letters and wait a long time for a response, you kind of have to put a lot of thought in it. Now with the internet and IMs and what not, you don't. So the quality of arguments decreasing is no surprise really :p
 
12:32 PM
@sehe Thanks :-)!
 
user1357851
Internet is for illegally downloading movies too, that and stalking people online
 
@Telkitty That's both just under "porn"
 
@melak47 In those times, the mailmen would deliver mail more than once a day, so you could actually get responses in the same day.
 
My Android uTorrent still does not work :(
 
user1357851
@MartinJames you are right, once they enter uni, they start hacking using real languages such as C++
 
12:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes unless you were argueing long distance :)
 
Thanks @Telkitty
*being a uni myself and all..
 
13:33:15 rmf@persephone ~
$ demo
$ echo woot, no more manual prompt clipping
woot, no more manual prompt clipping
$ exit
13:33:42 rmf@persephone ~
$
 
user1357851
@sehe I won't call the dark knight porn ... but it might turn you on :x
 
Is that verbatim?
 
@LucDanton Yes.
 
12:35 PM
I am somewhat confused.
 
@LucDanton oh god I hope I didn't fuck up my answer as much as I think I did now. help!
 
@LucDanton Why?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'prompt clipping' ?
 
@sehe Anything sad makes me sad, regardless of the number of times I encounter it
 
12:37 PM
@sehe Editing the prompt out for pasting as demos.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wokay. That seems like a swell way to waste time
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Empty long prompt, exit getting back to long prompt(?), then short prompt?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hah, I have that set up for my terminal anyways
 
@LucDanton My prompt is a two-liner.
 
12:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh. :%g/$/norm 0d\$ or similar does wonders for me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes got it
 
@FredOverflow and waste
My prompt is a flatliner
 
Didn't think to question the tilde as both pwd and last bit of prompt, heh.
 
@Xeo What do you mean? You have no info in the prompt?
 
@sehe meh, I don't have to write about it, yet the feeling stays
 
Xeo
12:39 PM
~/blargh
02:24:06 $
Is my prompt
On my vbox
 
Then I don't get what you mean.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You are the master of your feelings/how you deal with them. No need to write about it.
 
I wonder if the closevotes review task will ever get to 0
50.8k seems like a totally damn big number
@sehe Did you just criticise me writing that it makes me sad?
 
Decades of language development and you guys are still using a 1960's interface. Dreck!
 
12:41 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I bet it feels that way, but (a) no (b) irrelevant
:8425765 For your prompt. I have normal prompts :)
 
@MartinJames That makes no sense, unless your interface is a language.
 
A two-liner allows me to string everything I want there, and not have half the command-line taken away.
 
I always use dd to zero out the first gig or so of my hard drive before I do a fresh reinstall. So Ubuntu does not think it is already installed and messes up the boot menu or something.
 
@FredOverflow Wat
 
Didn't you just mention dd?
 
12:42 PM
He did
Context :_)
 
Was he not talking about disk dump?
 
Nope. linewise delete
 
oops
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, I see what you did now
 
@Xeo The point is that I can type demo and open a shell with just $ as the prompt, so I don't have to cut it out manually for pasting somewhere else (because otherwise it just looks wrong; makes me cringe).
 
12:43 PM
burned mah bacon :(
 
Xeo
When you enter demo, you don't even have the two-line prompt, just $
 
Quick question about C++ (which is back on topic!). What does this error mean
function 'flotsam::flotsam(RandomNumber &,Console &)' already has a body

If your looking at this post - sorry didn't realize it was in violation3..
 
@KingJohnno ODR violation
 
Xeo
@DeadMG ITT: Puppy bathed in hot oil.
 
@KingJohnno Lounging is quite on the topic.
 
12:44 PM
@LucDanton Ohh sorry...
 
@LucDanton Good point - bad post. Nevertheless, that soddin' dollar prompt is past its best as a human interface.
 
@Telkitty porn is porn even if it doesn't turn you on. Anyways, porn has many guises and apparitions
 
@MartinJames It's only for demos.
 
@KingJohnno violation4...
@KingJohnno It means the constructor has already been defined. In the class declaration?
 
Yeah but I can't work out where lol.
 
12:46 PM
> In the class declaration?
 
@Sehe flotsam(RandomNumber& rnd, Console& console) : Element(rnd,console){};
 
Look for those pesky {} or perhaps a =default
@KingJohnno cough.
 
You got a {} in your declaration, somewhere?
 
^^
 
@sehe Thanks.
 
12:47 PM
class flotsam { public: flotsam(RandomNumber&, Console&); };
@TonyTheLion where. on. earth!
 
@Sehe...no joy
 
@KingJohnno Oh.
10 mins ago, by sehe
@BartekBanachewicz You are the master of your feelings/how you deal with them. No need to write about it.
 
@LucDanton I didn't say I want to give up using the internet, I just find that helping people there is waste of time.
 
Wrong site
 
> for the move constructor, a non-static data member or direct or virtual base class with a type that does not have a move constructor and is not trivially copyable.
TIL
 
12:51 PM
What does that mean in english @BartekBanachewicz
 
I wanted to point out that maybe helping people anywhere is a waste of time, but it happens faster and more easier on the Internet.
 
@KingJohnno TodayILearned
 
So the default move constructor can make use of trivial copy constructor, right?
 
Uhh...
THe constructor the Element isn't virtual if thats what you mean..
how do I make the constructor virtual?
 
@KingJohnno you don't
@KingJohnno I think my question was pretty specific
 
12:54 PM
Yup, the em-dash. That's a good sign he copied and pasted his code from wikipedia :0 — sehe 3 secs ago
 
I am not sure what a 'default move constructor' or 'trivial copy constructor' is
 
@KingJohnno you would need to read up... well, a lot.
 
Read up to the kilimanjaro
Also: start praying
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks for the heads up... doens't help with this problem.
 
@KingJohnno with which problem?
 
12:56 PM
WHOA WHOA!!!
WHO THE FUCK JUST RAGE-QUIT?!
user image
3
 
lol
 
LOL.
 
I only got -90, harhar
 
Is it again?
It might be the llonesmiz guy. Checking
 
@sehe ouch.
 
12:57 PM
I doubt that LRIO upvoted you 80 times
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have an Element class and a Flotsom class and I want the Flotsam to inherit the functionality of the Element class - I want the flotsom class to have the same default constructor as the Element class.
 
-36 for me
@sehe @Griwes?
 
C++11 has an inheriting constructors feature, but it's not very well supported.
 
Yup. It was user1252091/llonesmiz: this post was last edited by him, formerly:
 
@sehe Yeah, I got -111.
 
12:58 PM
@bamboon he didn't finish
 
@BartekBanachewicz What?
 
2 mins ago, by sehe
WHOA WHOA!!!
WHO THE FUCK JUST RAGE-QUIT?!
 
I got -0, I won.
 
@sehe who was that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz He was the conflicted guy who "cared too much about rep", hence why he posting all answers as comments ...
 
12:59 PM
@Abyx We're joint winners!
 

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