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4:00 PM
> 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' — Humpty Dumpty, SFW
 
@CatPlusPlus I can see how that might be a problem. After you've circulated $$$$$$$$$ round your extended test system, you get a call about money-laundering and unpaid tax.
 
god now somebody hold me before I drown in wiki page about OCD
 
How is boost::regex support?
A lot more complete than GCC?
 
Supported.
 
@MartinJames I can see a problem at the point of adding my card to a test account
 
4:01 PM
boost::regex is much older than C++11 IIRC
 
user784668
@ThePhD if it weren't, it'dn't be included in boost
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah - but you're not gonna do that, (are you?).
 
@ThePhD GCC std::regex is nonexistent, not incomplete
 
Ah fuck it, I could not resist one last time.
 
Mmm, delicious boost.
 
4:02 PM
...
I am now going to sit on that epic electric massage chair for a while
 
@ThePhD std::regex is based on boost::regex
like maybe 99% of it
or all of it, hell do I know.
 
IMO Boost.Regex will still be preferable to std::regex.
 
Alright then, I'll use Boost::Regex
 
Because std::regex support is non-existent.
:(
 
user784668
@Rapptz libc++
 
4:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus Prepaid card. Get your boss to shove in $1000. Start testing.
 
Apparently not for MSVC. :D
 
user784668
And Dinkumware
 
@Fanael No thanks.
 
@Rapptz Because Boost Regex supports PCRE and std::regex doesn't.
 
user784668
It's only libstdc++ that sucks beyond salvation.
 
4:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Really?
 
PCRE ?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, does it?
 
regexes suck anyway
 
user784668
@ThePhD Perl compatible regular crap.
 
user784668
What puppy said, anyway.
 
4:05 PM
Well, my FileSystemWatcher has a Filter parameter.
Where you can give it a regex-like string (wildcards and shit)
 
@Fanael At least libstdc++ works on Windows.
 
user784668
@ThePhD you mean a glob?
 
error C3497: you cannot construct an instance of a lambda on auto lamdba = [](){}; std::map<int, Foo, decltype(lambda)> m(lambda); WHY MSVC???
 
libc++ is only complete on Mac IIRC
 
var line = string.Format("{0}", reader.ReadLine());
 
@MartinJames No, fuck it, I'm going to test if refreshing UI after returning from payment flow works
If it does, then it should be just fiiiiiiiiine
 
@Fanael Yeah. std::regex only supports those syntaxes with existing standards.
@Rapptz Yeah.
 
user784668
Isn't libc++ usable on Linux too?
 
@EtiennedeMartel lolwut
 
So who is the one who got deleted 3 hours ago?
I got - rep from them too..
 
4:10 PM
@Rapptz Some ragequit guy. Bartek knows him.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, a colleague of mine just found this in our code.
 
you know
this never occurred to me before, but since I have type inference, there's no reason I can't do f() { blah; return f; }.
 
I am going to ask on the mailing list if there exists a regex engine with level 3 Unicode support.
 
@DeadMG Only if you support infinite types
 
@DeadMG ..and that would be useful for?
 
4:12 PM
Otherwise you can't infer this
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I suspect that actually, when I try to look up f, I will infinitely recurse, as the compiler will look at f, find it's a function, and try to compile the body :P
 
You can only infer it if you cheat and special case stuff.
 
well
 
@DeadMG You gotta try it!
 
user784668
Prelude> let f _ = f

<interactive>:4:11:
    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 = t0 -> t1
    In the expression: f
    In an equation for `f': f _ = f
 
4:13 PM
It's trivial with infinite types
 
I fully intend to support that scenario, but I will look into implementing it later.
 
for now, I want to check my function argument passing stuff
 
You'd need to erase the type of the function completely or something
 
I already have that
really, all I'd need to do is just alter the lookup code a little...
 
4:16 PM
I'm amazed that my UI refreshing even gets called
It's a mess of C# -> Java -> C# bridging
 
0
Q: What does LL mean?

Luchian GrigoreIs LL defined anywhere in the standard (hard term to come by)? ideone accepts the code int main() { std::cout << sizeof(0LL) << std::endl; std::cout << sizeof(0); } and prints 8 4 But what does it mean?

wth luchian
 
Unity on Android fuck yeah
 
WTF @Luchian
 
user784668
Ten days too early?
 
4:18 PM
I'm going home. — R. Martinho Fernandes 6 secs ago
See you later.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does that ping all users who's name starts with Luchian?
Or no ping at all?
 
user784668
@Borgleader no
 
user784668
@Borgleader Only these in the room.
 
Ok so all Luchians in this room
 
user784668
And there's only one Luchian in here.
 
4:18 PM
hmm, oops
 
@Borgleader The set of pingable users is only those currently or recently in chat (regardless of room).
 
my parser appears to have told my analyzer that std.string arg is std.string std.
voops
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My question was does it ping multiple people (all users starting with Luchian in the set of pingable users) or no one because it's not an exact match.
apparently its the former
 
user784668
@B
 
or not
 
4:20 PM
you have to have at least three characters for a partial match
@Borg something like that
 
Ahhh ty for clarification
 
user142019
Fuck.
 
user142019
I cannot use a private ctor with emplace_back. :(
 
oh fuckshitties.
 
Of course not, what did you expect?
 
4:21 PM
I should stop instinctively saying "BUG?!!!!" whenever compilation fails
because I've reached the point where I start making errors in my Wide programs.
 
What lexer and parser do you use? Or handwritten?
 
I keep writing stuff like using name = expr; instead of using name := expr;
@FredOverflow Who are you asking?
 
@FredOverflow it's his language
 
@DeadMG Meh. You should try co-developing with Delphi, where ':=' is the assignment operator.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That wasn't the question
 
4:23 PM
@FredOverflow Handwritten last time i checked
 
user784668
@FredOverflow Handwritten. The puppy thinks generators are for pussies.
 
handwritten both lexer and parser
I used a generated parser, and it's use was finished.
 
I use boost::spirit, cuz the wise bear is my hero.
 
in <!Real> C++ Room, 4 mins ago, by Phorce
Is it possible to read/write to a .txt file on a different computer that IS on the same network?
in <!Real> C++ Room, 17 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Phorce that's called internet
 
ARRRRRGH
VS why you crash when I need you to debug shit!
 
4:26 PM
in <!Real> C++ Room, 33 secs ago, by Phorce
To extend: Is there any way without the use of sockets?
lol
 
that's even better
 
lol....
That deserves a permanent place on the starboard
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit at what?
also, no
 
Well.. sockets not mandatory for LAN comms?
 
user784668
Obviously, the fastest way is to unmount the disk and mount it in the other computer.
 
4:28 PM
@MartinJames yea you could just use MAC only
but only within same LAN
and fuck that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you don't say :)
 
in <!Real> C++ Room, 23 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
by carrier pigeons?
 
@TonyTheLion That's what I was thinking. I'm not saying it's not batshit-insane, only that is should be possible.
 
@MartinJames true
 
I was thinking more hardware distributed memory
like supercomputing grids
but that's not general-case certainly
 
4:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Carrier pigeons are faster than cars. Top Gear proved it.
fun fact
 
I know
latency sucks tho
you could fit the whole internet on one oil tanker
 
in <!Real> C++ Room, 18 hours ago, by sftrabbit
This room is a good idea - I never have any idea what people are talking about in the other room
lol
 
@TonyTheLion read the very beginnings of the room
pure gold.
 
Only been in there a couple times. Didn't seem like fun.
 
@ScottW hard drive volume
 
4:33 PM
Hmm. a container shipload of flash chips?
 
@BartekBanachewicz too much to read
 
Whoever was moving countries around the globe earlier, could you please move England closer to the equator?
 
in <!Real> C++ Room, 16 secs ago, by Phorce
But you cannot open a file on the destination IP, edit the file etc..?
my god.
we are doomed.
Internet will die soon,
 
Oh fuck. Am I going to have to go in there?
 
Watch out, it's haunted
 
4:36 PM
bye
 
Goodbye, cruel notwork.
 
@LuchianGrigore q-trolling ;)
I'm better at this than you. — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 mins ago
yeahhhh
 
fuck
 
@ScottW Are you leaving for good?
 
spent 20 minutes chasing a bug and it turns out that I just wrote bad Wide code, instead of a buggy compiler :(
 
4:37 PM
We're all leaving for good, aparrently.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Actually, you can pick it up with one hand.
 
We should all ragequit before the apocalypse.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, Jerry! You are terrible! Now I totally want 8035 chip :C
or what was the number again.
 
oh another day gone
thank god for weekend
 
@BartekBanachewicz 8032 or 8051 or 6805 or, well, there were a lot of them...
 
4:40 PM
@JerryCoffin the one you sent me, I think it was Motorola, with it's own memory, flash, clock, timer and I/O <3 <3 <3
and 112 bytes of ram.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That was the 6805.
 
I can't stop thinking about robot army.
@JerryCoffin thanks
It has literally everything
you just need this and power supply
and I betcha the energy usage is so low you could power it with body heat, lol.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ...and nowadays, you could probably fit a dozen of them on an FPGA.
 
"You need to be logged in to view this page or download this file. " hm
 
@BartekBanachewicz My embedded board takes 40uA, (unless it has to do stuff).
 
4:44 PM
Oh god:
@sehe: ... what? I don't know what you're talking about or what this distinction is between lowercase "community" and uppercase "Community". — Nicol Bolas 1 min ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oops -- well, go to opencores.org, click on "projects" then "processors" and there are a couple of 680x there (all free).
 
I asked my colleague who's working on an iOS application to try run this program on his iPad. The platform being ARM I expected the code to trigger a trap. However, it ran just fine. How can this be?
 
I have an FPGA at home (my school was getting rid of them because they bought new ones) but I can't use it because I don't have the software license that goes with it
xD
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wasn't trolling and I don't see why it's such a big deal I didn't know about that.
 
As much as I respect Nicol, I frequently feel his 'discussions' can be rather ... unidirectional. His opinion is often good, but he doesn't really appear to "listen" to see what the other has to say
Oh well. The internet. I'll move on
 
4:46 PM
@sehe: too bad that meta post doesnt give SO rep, you'd make back what you lost in <3-4 days
 
@sehe he is harsh, yeah. Part of the ~*mystic aura*~
I guess he just feels a bit too... omnipotent?
He is just right so often he might have forgotten he might be wrong
3
 
@JerryCoffin I can download processors for free? sweet!
 
@joran Ok. I can see it now :) I think your point might be so essential to the discussion, it might be worth posting as an answer — sehe 15 secs ago
 
@Borgleader Altera and Xilinx both give away low-end versions of their software, so depending on the chip you have, one of those may be sufficient.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not even sayinh he's wrong. I'm trying to show I'm looking at it from a different angle, which explains that I think it's a relevant discussion
 
4:49 PM
@JerryCoffin I think it's a Xilinx but im not sure, i got it a year ago
 
@JerryCoffin um, are these "software-hardware emulations"? Sorry, I am embedded newbie
 
@melak47 Yes, quite a few of them (though you still need hardware to run them on, of course).
 
user784668
lol
 
> All if-else constructs should be terminated with an else clause. lol
 
user784668
I had -10 because somebody was deleted too, but somebody upvoted one of my answers so my rep didn't change
 
4:50 PM
@NicolBolas I'm +1 this answer because I do agree that deleting accounts should not really be an option (exceptional "moderational" reasons excepted). However, you answer seems to me to state "I don't think it's relevant". I did disagree there. Which of those two was the strongest message you intended to send? — sehe 8 secs ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz No -- these are mostly VHDL and/or Verilog files that you can synthesize for an FPGA. If you want to badly enough, you could also have somebody build an ASIC with them, but unless you need a lot of them, that's pretty expensive.
 
@JerryCoffin what does "synthesize for an FPGA" mean? I want to note that I wanted to buy a physical unit itself and put it on a board by hand. Does it make sense?
@ScottW iTerm
 
@BartekBanachewicz An FPGA is a programmable logic chip. They have MUXes that you can program to act as AND, OR, XOR, etc., so you can put together arbitrary circuits (up to some limit on total gates and such). They're pretty slow compared to a modern CPU (e.g., clock speed of a couple hundred MHz max) but still much faster than most old 8-bit chips and such.
 
> A final point is that when a VHDL model is translated into the "gates and wires" that are mapped onto a programmable logic device such as a CPLD or FPGA, then it is the actual hardware being configured, rather than the VHDL code being "executed" as if on some form of a processor chip.
 
balls
 
4:56 PM
okey,
 
> Operator precedence should not be relied upon as commonly mastered by all programmers
 
I got garbage output :(
 
user784668
> pretty slow
 
user784668
> clock speed of a couple hundred MHz
 
user784668
wtf
 
4:56 PM
@JerryCoffin but is buying an actual 6085 impossible now?
 
4 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Unless you spend the day repwhoring like... like... like a whore.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^ If only my meta-rep would count to that I'd have been at 35% :)
 
You can get a kit of a small FPGA on a board with power supply, some I/O, etc., for anywhere from about $50 up to several thousand.
 
@Fanael Am I missing something?
 
@JerryCoffin but the full-blown FPGA will require more power and will be bigger than single chip, no?
 
user784668
@Rapptz Aye, everything except desktops and servers and smartphones.
 
4:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sure you could find one if you looked hard enough, but you might pay a fair amount extra to get an antique part.
 
@Mysticial (Have you seen the latest on that, by the way?)
 
@JerryCoffin crap :/ I am saying that because I was thinking something really small. You know, even PIC chips are damn large.
but I think I am getting unrealistic here anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz All of what's on something like a 6805 would fit on a single FPGA pretty easily. Power usage for a 6805 in a modern FPGA would almost certainly be less than for the original 6805 hardware.
 
@JerryCoffin oh, that's interesting
 

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