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11:00 PM
And this.
 
unlike Google, which just threw a documentation to use their SDKs
 
MSI :: CR70 i5-4210M/16GB/500GB
 
Developing is just doesn't work.
 
oh look a cherry
would you pick it for me?
 
11:00 PM
@Nooble why
 
You're so bad at everything
 
@CatPlusPlus Me?
 
that's why you love me babe
 
"You can't even say what's wrong with it!!!!!!" <says what's wrong with it> "THat's cehrrpyicking!!!!!"
3
apple fanbois goddammit
 
who the fuck is this nooble guy
 
11:01 PM
Intel HD Graphics 4600
 
I've never said cherrypicking
 
@Jefffrey Because XCode sucks, but Apple's docs all mix API stuff with XCode stuff, so figuring out how to do things with decent tools is substantially more difficult than any other system (even MS isn't as bad in this respect, hard though that is to believe).
 
hey Bartek does this support OpenGL 3
 
@CatPlusPlus but bruh, appel just workz man.
 
@JerryCoffin on that I agree
 
11:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus 4.2 last time I checked
 
xcode is fairly bad
 
is jefff being an apple fanboy now
 
Limited OpenGL support too.
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
 
53 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
who the fuck is this nooble guy
 
@JerryCoffin but you can install vim, clang and gcc just as easy
 
11:02 PM
why are you talking about openGL
you don't talk about openGL when I'm in here
 
openGL is good n' stuff.
 
also jefff stop already jeez fucking christ this is worse than language debates
 
@Nooble lol
 
And OpenGL is the best of GL's because it's open spec and it's openGL
 
@BartekBanachewicz it really is
 
11:03 PM
@Jefffrey You can, but as already noted, Apple does a poor (terrible) job of separating API documentation from stuff about how to use XCode, so using other tools is substantially more difficult than with other systems.
 
just go get a beer
dunno
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nooble is me, and I'm Nooble.
 
get a life
visit Poland
 
I need a shitptop and would like it to run at least games produced decade ago
 
@JerryCoffin I haven't found it difficult at all
 
11:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus Budget?
 
in fact clang and gcc come basically preinstalled
 
Okay that word is hard
 
@CatPlusPlus if budget is low, get Acer
 
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Q: Accessing Buffers in OpenGL

NoobleSo I am aware that you can generate buffers using: GLuint Buffer = 0; glGenBuffers (1, &Buffer); I am told that this will generate 1 buffer in the address of Buffer. I am also told that if I do this: GLuint Buffer = 0; glGenBuffers (2, &Buffer); Then it will generate 2 buffers in the addres...

 
as well as git and that jazz
 
11:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz This isn't neccesary, right?!
 
otherwise, get Asus, MSI or whatever
 
@BartekBanachewicz So good. I know
 
This MSI is 500€
 
Eh.
Wat GPU?
 
Intel HD Graphics 4600
 
11:04 PM
MSI are really shitty in build quality, just so you know
 
^
 
They're all shitty in build quality
 
get a Macbook
 
YES
 
haha no
 
11:05 PM
Mac master race
 
well then XPS
 
It just works
 
you are such an idiot
 
Does windows even have iMovie? Exactly. Mac is obviously superior.
 
my GF has a refurbished 14" XPS she bought for like 3k PLN
it's decent
 
11:05 PM
Bah 14"
This one is 17" and I'm not going below that
 
what the fuck
 
Asus G751?
 
@Jefffrey Then either they've improved their docs dramatically over the last couple of years, or else you haven't tried to do much. I'd guess their docs have improved a little, but I'd have to do some development to figure out whether it's enough to be usable.
 
I thought you need a mobile device
not a workstation with wheels
 
I need a usable computer I can use for work
 
11:06 PM
Mobile is a thing of the past.
 
So yes screen estate is rather important
 
Heavy, desktop replacements are where its at.
 
@deb and for even more fun: a cleaned up version with Bosot Multi Index. I think that's much more readable and maintainable. — sehe 22 secs ago
 
@CatPlusPlus why would you want to work on a single 17"
 
@CatPlusPlus Asus G751
 
11:07 PM
it's really marginally better
 
Boost Interprocess still rather painful with all those allocators.
 
> $2,499.00
ahahahah no
 
@CatPlusPlus the HD 4000 on desktop CPUs can run Skyrim decently if you want some guideline
I doubt it does the same on laptops though
 
Does anyone know how to operate those "cascading" allocators (?) in such a way that it actually works
 
@CatPlusPlus No dude. Look at the lower end models.
 
11:07 PM
It's that Asus
~~gaming~~ shitptop
 
@AlexM. HD 4000?!
 
yeah
the integrated stuff in ivy bridge or w/e they're called
it's a decent integrated gpu
 
It is
 
Hint haswells are better
 
I'm so not paying 3 times the price of my desktop for a laptop
 
11:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus Okay then. Look at sager.
Find the one with a decent CPU/GPU combination and a price you like
 
I still want to see how well one of the Sagers with desktop CPUs and GPUs in them perform :D
 
They are either shitty or expensive duh
 
Or both.
 
They're all shitty
 
They're all expensive.
Why are you looking for a laptop in the first place?
 
11:10 PM
I just need one that's better than my current one
Oh hey one with GeForce
 
You're fucked.
You want a 17inch
laptop
That's not over 1k
It's not going to happen.
 
i5-4200M, 12GB RAM, 17.3", GeForce 820M, numpad, 600€
 
820m?
 
Looks good!
 
lels
820M
LEL
 
11:12 PM
820M must be better than hd 4000
 
Okay okay, maybe it is.
But 820m!
 
Good enough
 
Can I get this in dollars?
 
@Nooble My 17in. laptop was ~$900 USD.
 
RAM is more important anyway
 
11:13 PM
For gaming?
 
Core i7 Ivy Bridge 8 GB ram.
 
@Mysticial Mine 1400
Honestly, an 820m is not decent.
I mean, let me go take a look at the specshee
 
I can see 17 in. Haswell touch laptops for 1k USD.
 
I don't really care
 
meh 820m is ok if you don't want new games
 
11:16 PM
Deffo not going to pay way more just on the account of GPU
 
X60m would be a minimum for me... but yeah
 
Ell
@jefffrey lol
I want that fleshlight mouse
 
@AlexM. 860m's are pretty decent
 
> G point
 
11:18 PM
@CatPlusPlus It supports OpenGL 4 and DirectX 11.1
 
> ASUS 17.3'' G750JM-T4103D, FHD, Procesor Intel® Core™ i7-4710HQ 2.5GHz Haswell, 8GB, 1TB 7200 RPM + 128GB SSD, GeForce GTX 860M 2GB DDR5
I'd save up for something like this
$1.4k
(from RON to USD)
 
the heck am I doing still up
 
Ell
@alex who's RON?
 
@Ell romania's currency
 
@Ell lol
 
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11:22 PM
I just buy the hot technology from 2 years ago that's on run-out pricing, with slight attention to CPU and memory within that general sphere. No gaming interest, just a solid development machine. Cheap bastard, me.
 
@AlexM. I got this same one but with an 870m
@aclarke How does one develop games without a decent GPU
 
yeah, the 870m version is $300 more expensive here
I don't think it's worth it in this situation
 
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@Nooble ask a game developer
 
@aclarke Are you one...?
 
I like him, can we keep him?
 
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11:23 PM
I develop Real Software™
 
@aclarke :C
 
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@Nooble hmmm, I might be big-boy, if you are
 
wait
@aclarke you had a yellow guy as a avatar before?
 
@aclarke Sadly I am not.
@Jefffrey No that;s not him
This is adrian
 
"sadly"
 
user1646075
11:24 PM
i do commercial shizzle for my bread and butter. Gaming I selected consoles a long time ago 'cos they USED to be eminently reliable.....
 
@CatPlusPlus *Happily, I am not.
 
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@Jefffrey that's the one
 
@aclarke Shhh, keep your identity a secret.
 
wtffff, why does monodevelop turn on intellisense when I type in variable names this doesn't make sense
who made this IDE
 
user1646075
<<== I am Guru Adrian. I represent Fun
 
11:25 PM
if I write down "int" and then I start writing down a variable name
you don't turn on intellisense you piece of shit
 
who needs it
Intellisense, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!
 
@aclarke But wooldoor was, yellow, man.
@Jefffrey Totally agree with this 8/8 m8
 
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@Nooble But Adrian is a 300 year old 7 year old boy who discovered the secret of eternal life using his home chemistry set
 
@aclarke That's uhh, pretty, uhh, impressive.
^ aclarke
as I will always remember him.
 
user1646075
Guru Adrian offers Nothing. You lack Nothing. So you need Guru Adrian.
 
11:28 PM
@aclarke I should start picking up girls like this.
 
I just moved my AppData/Local from my SSD to a spinning disk, and I noticed Visual Studio is now dog slow at closing -- coincidence? is AppData/Local IO performance often a bottleneck?
 
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@Nooble Girls are fun. Just remember to have fun and you will have girls.
 
@JDiMatteo Move them back to the SSD. If it gets faster again well... there ya have it
 
@aclarke But y-you... represent fun!
 
@aclarke I call BS. I have a lot of fun and I'm single.
 
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11:31 PM
@Nooble thus...
 
youre a girl?
 
user1646075
@Borgleader wrong kind of fun then?
 
@aclarke I knew it!
And so the mystery unfolds...
 
user1646075
no no no. You no nothing. thus, you are already an expert in Adrianism
 
So, by gathering knowledge, I'm commiting heresy towards Adrianism?
wu-wei is one hell of a thing to practice in high school.
 
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11:33 PM
@Nooble Adrianism was founded through the knowledge gained with a junior science kit. Science is fun. Knowledge is fun.
 
Surprisingly, I find little information regarding Guru Adrian on google.
 
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@Nooble it is surprisingly thin - it slightly pre-dated the interwebs, and was mostly on radio and Youth Magazines
 
> Building a transactional file server for an assignment, I never used the boost library before and it looks perfect for this and a great chance to learn something new
ALARM BELLS
 
@aclarke Darn.
 
@Borgleader: just moved AppData back to SSD and VS is still dog slow closing. I guess I shouldn't try to speed up VS -- it is hopeless
 
11:37 PM
Its the Back to the Future trailer badumtss /cc @ThePhD
 
user1646075
I thought it was in some aussie surf magazines, and it was definitely in either Countdown mag or maybe a "radio 2JJJ" mag
 
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@Borgleader WHY DO PEOPLE MANGLE THOSE CARS???? At least the one in front looks unadulterated.
 
@aclarke ikr there are so few of them :(
then again maybe the "mangled" one is actually just a good replica
 
user1646075
I heard there's a place in the states building as-authentic-as-possible new ones using licenced plans. Good on them
 
user1646075
@Borgleader yeah I hope so.
 
user1646075
11:40 PM
imagine one of them with, say, the same little toyota VVTI block that lotus is using
 
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or an SR20DET pumped to about 250kw
 
Ell
@borg you are a gamedev right?
 
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@Nooble also, I'm struggling to remember shit !-)
 
@Ell yeah
 
Ell
You do 3d graphics?
 
11:44 PM
ive done some opengl stuff for personal projects yeah (and i happen to have read the red & orange books) but at work i do a bit of everything
 
@Borgleader red book is so dated though.
 
@Nooble yeah i ended up skipping about half of it, i had generated an OGL 3.0+ only header and basically skipped anything that wasn't in the file
 
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@Nooble Wooldoor said goodbye. He said he was going to a clock tower to think about where his life is going.
 
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Ell
@borgleader I'm just wondering about scene graphs
How they work
 
11:48 PM
@Ell you mean like... render trees?
 
Ell
Does the propagation of transformations happen on the CPU side?
I mean like
A graph where a node inherits the parents transformations
I have little 3d experience :P
I'm talking line SceneNode in Ogre3£
 
In an engine I used at school that was the case yes.
 
Ell
Isn't doing this on the CPU side very expensive?
Also is frustum culling done by the GPU or you?
 
Well if you have a very shallow hierarchy I would guess not
As for frustrum culling, that was implemented ages ago so its code i havent (and probably wont have to) take a look at
 

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