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12:06 AM
I think I'll downgrade to Snow Leopard.
 
@Jefffrey You should upgrade to Windows 7 (or 9)
 
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or 10
 
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have they locked in "10" as the name yet?
 
@Jefffrey According to some of those people, McDonald's food is even tastier than McDonald's food.
 
@aclarke yes
 
12:08 AM
@Jefffrey: why downgrade? I am running Snow Leopard and was thinking of upgrading
 
@JDiMatteo I don't need anything from the new updates, and my mac was born with it: I remember it being slightly faster and didn't have this issues with youtube either.
Also I'm beginning to hate the transparency crap they are trying to shove down my throat
 
Hey guys, when you read documentation what structure do you like it being presented? Like, the table of contents and the actual content itself I guess.
 
Ell
You mean all documentation or api reference?
 
@Rapptz: I like examples to get started then an index or search to look up API details
 
@Ell All.
 
Ell
12:15 AM
Yeah I like links to different sections
 
@Nooble Nonsense.
I mean, yes, dated editions of the Red Book are dated.
 
Atm I do 'Introduction', 'Example', (maybe a) 'Tutorial', 'API Reference', and maybe some miscellaneous things afterwards like an FAQ or some grammar.
 
Ell
Link to api reference,
Link to manual,
Link to tutorials,
Link to FAQ
 
@Ell this
 
Ell
12:17 AM
Idk how else you could do it though tbh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wouldn't mind a "Red Book - Lite" without all the deprecated stuff in it.
 
@Borgleader Get a newer edition.
 
I had the before latest edition as of when i read the thing
 
The Eighth edition is straight up 4.3.
 
12:18 AM
I have Seventh IIRC
 
@Borgleader Isn't that the worst version?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes for a moment I thought you were discussing physical CD formats
 
Cover says OpenGL 3.x but it covers OpenGL 2.x and then tells you OpenGL 3.x deprecates it all and makes it useless?
 
AFAIK, the 8th doesn't even mention the compatibility profile, not even in an appendix. (And I can say so with some certainty, as I have easy access to a copy of it)
 
We should build more countries to complete the first three letters of the top level domains.
Good morning.
 
12:21 AM
@Rapptz idk, its the only version i have
 
Want a 4.5 red book.
The code changes for DSA would also make a significant change, so it would be justified.
 
@Rapptz Yeah, that one is like an extension of the classic Red Book.
The 8th is a complete rewrite.
@MarkGarcia Not any of the ideas though. It's only a significant change in syntax.
 
Ell
Man guys
 
@Puppy > Yo mama is so ugly, her portraits hang themselves.
 
12:24 AM
I don't really like Niebler's "Customization Points" device. I mean, yeah the end result is usability. But the amount of cruft is just just stunning.
 
Ell
I think I might have to leave the lounge for a year this time
 
I say, we fix it in the language instead of paper over it with layers of shit
@Ell ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn, it seems I lucked out. I guess I'll wait for 9th to cover 4.5 and get that.
 
why are you not cooperating murkdwn
 
To irk you
 
Ell
12:25 AM
I'm not studying enough again
 
8th covers everything down to geometry, tessellation and even compute shaders.
 
@Ell are you serious
 
Ell
And this time it matters even more than the last that I get the grades
@jefffrey yeah
 
for a whole year?
 
Ell
Well I Wont have to leave fully
I'll have to limit my time here a lot though I think
 
12:26 AM
that's better
don't go away for a year, please
 
@Jefffrey I agree--we'd definitely miss you.
 
Ell
I don't think I could go away really either
I need the human interaction. Even if it is in a limited format
 
Very.
5 hours ago, by Jefffrey
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Can anyone please explain this ^
Is it a joke / why is it on the starboard
 
Apparently, using "butte" made it funny. I see. Thanks
 
12:30 AM
"I'm too old for this" FTFY ;)
 
Ell
I need better time management skills
 
@Borgleader I can't tell you whether I am, because "Butte" still makes precious little sense to me. Let alone, using it capitalized, in the scene depicted in that still.
 
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@MarkGarcia Morning Squire.
 
Ell
Okay guys I've decided from tomorrow onwards 23:00 UK time is my bedtime
 
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@Ell Don't put off until tomorrow what can be put off until the day after...
 
12:35 AM
I like it anyways. Except for the abuse of volatile. If you want it thread-safe, use atomic_int. Otherwise, just leave it intsehe 3 mins ago
 
Ell
I also need a structure to my day
And need to stop snacking and things
I need ti improve myself massively
 
Send in the rescue team. Ell is trapped in a list of cliché new-year's resolutions
 
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@Ell Don't we all? That'll never happen if you keep lounging around.
 
@Ell If you stop snacking, the improvement will be less massive.
 
Zing
 
Ell
12:36 AM
Haha
 
Cong rats, @Puppy
While I wind my way to bed
 
Ell
What did puppy do?
 
He barfed (a starry barf hint hint)
 
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then tried to bury it in the sunroom carpet
 
Ell
Oh dear
I can't see starboard, on mobile
 
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12:40 AM
5 hours ago, by Jefffrey
@Puppy HAPPY BARFDAY PUPPY
 
Ell
Ahh okay
Im going to unplug two of my monitors tomorrow also
They don't work well in linux and mostly just take up much needed space
 
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@Ell I think my TV can slave a HDMI monitor off it. I should have used that last weekend to watch the Great Race (Bathurst) while I was chopping down a tree.
 
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put one in the bathroom and one in the kitchen
 
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OHHHH! I think I might be a genius. The kiddies have cracked the screens of 3 tablets now. BUT they all have mini HDMI sockets AND I've succesfully put a mouse and keyboard on them via USB. They can have their tablets back and they won't be able to sit on them
 
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can i have your screens please?
 
Ell
@aclarke If you paid 75% of shipping you can gladly have them :P
I don't think you'll want them mind
 
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heh
 
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think i'll have to ingratiate a few old ones out of the IT-guy here
 
@Ell You got to hard mode immediately when you joined the Lounge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And the award for the worst UI goes to...
puts on flameretardant suit
 
12:59 AM
I don't know anyone that plays it that would disagree with you.
 
I was expecting to Blender related comments.
 
I'm not sure if Blender's UI can be made more friendly.
It's quite good actually, only that there's just LOTS of stuff.
 
Oh it can, and they're working on it.
 
Well that's nice.
 
UI changes for 2.72 and 2.70 (2.71 barely had any)
 
1:07 AM
@Borgleader I hope the "Pie menu" is better than Maya's (or is it 3ds's?).
 
@MarkGarcia About a year ago, a guy put up some videos about exactly this. youtube.com/watch?v=UWacQrEcMHk
 
@JerryCoffin Bookmarked! Can't yt. :(
 
@MarkGarcia maya afaik
 
Ell
1:32 AM
Blender is amazing
 
Yep. In < 100 mb compared to the GBs in other tools.
 
Ell
I want to write a small game in opengl
 
We all do.
 
Ell
I wonder what 3d scene formats there are or what blender can export
 
FBX is quite common and widely supported. COLLADA if you want the open spec feels.
@Ell Oh scene?
Assimp can read some of Blender's DNA/RNA stuff (its own save format).
 
Ell
1:46 AM
Yeah assimp has an awful interface though
It would do though I guess
Anyway I should sleep
@mark night :) have a nice day
 
@Ell Yep. Good night. Sleep well.
 
@Ell G'night.
 
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2:30 AM
@Nooble Start here predigitalarchive.com/david-art-wales/chilling-discovery.html (this page was a hoax btw) and follow the nexts 4 or 6 times.
 
5:12 AM
Morning!
 
Good afternoon.
3 hours. New record Lounge!
 
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Morning. Almost home-time
 
5:33 AM
This talk talks about compiling C++ to JS
 
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That scares me
 
Really
anyone here know about arduino wiring?
 
emcc and em++
 
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ardly
 
@Timothy Please tell me you didn't come here to say that.
 
5:35 AM
@MarkGarcia NO?
 
> JS
 
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Arduino with native JS opcodes ftw
 
what about js to C++ ?
 
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can't turn shit into gold
 
It would be like enrolling a psycho in med school.
 
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5:37 AM
need moar happy starz
 
@Timothy that would be difficult if the JS code has evals.
 
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@StackedCrooked simple - link spidermonkey
 
Breaking IE is a feature, not a flaw. — labyrinth Jan 16 at 18:53
lol
 
The C++98 way of making a class non-copyable was such a hack but it was also idiomatic. So it was an idiomatic hack. Heh.
 
 
5:51 AM
@Feeds @ISP I hate it when you show the alt text first before the image.
 
7:09 AM
TIL
 
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eww left-aligned webshite
 
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> You can't hug a child with nuclear arms.
 
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dat pun
 
7:27 AM
¬_¬ I really shouldn't leave this tab open at work... I come in with a number of posts to respond to and no idea which ones I already did at home.
@rightføld oh no! A site that aligns it self to the norms for our language! Though yes, centre aligned is nicer :P
@rightføld oooh triple pun.
 
@thecoshman hehe
 
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Me too.
 
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Fuck children. No, not like a priest.
5
 
@rightføld you make me sick!
 
Just in time
 
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7:34 AM
Good. I'm Ebola-chan.
 
@Cicada nothing like a bit of morning paedophilia
 
Let's see if this works...
 
@thecoshman I like my milk fresh and my cereals crunchy
 
Nope.
 
also, who the fuck thought it was a good idea to have that first 'a' in the world 'paedophilia'?
 
7:35 AM
English
 
@Cicada fuck silent leters
fuck them right in the eye i
 
fuk them ryt in th i
 
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NullInputStream y u no singleton.
 
bc singleton bad
 
7:37 AM
@Cicada fook dehm rite n d i
 
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@Jefffrey It's immutable. :v
 
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It should be a singleton, just like Unit.
 
Then NullInputStream should be its own type (is it? I don't know java)
 
oh, I saw some post from a guy who makes a mod for MC (for general performance improvements and graphic enhancements) saying how whilst immutable stuff is good from a design point of view, when dealing with Java & JVM it can result in huge numbers of objects being created (opposed to reused) which is one of the things that is screw MC performance.
 
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@Cicada it is.
 
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7:40 AM
Oh well.
 
Then yes singletonifying it wouldn't hurt
 
@Cicada ah now, Java is just like C++ but it likes using new, for EVERYTHING
 
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object NullInputStream extends InputStream() { } done! :D
 
not singleton
 
@thecoshman C with singletons.
And new.
 
7:41 AM
@thecoshman IKR, it's horrible
 
Why does Java even need the new keyword? Would using just class name, e.g., Foo(param1) be as unambiguous?
 
For similarity with C++, probably?
Design choice I guess
Also ahahaha @wrongfold doing Java for a living
 
@VáclavZeman avoid clashing with functions maybe...
@Cicada I thought he was stuck with php?
 
Well he seems to be doing Java
 
@Cicada Its designer(s) were like shopping when deciding those.
 
7:44 AM
from now on, I'm not going to say p h p, I'm going to say it as one word, like 'purfp' or something.
 
barfp
hurfp
 
@thecoshman Methods!
 
@MarkGarcia quite right, nothing in Java functions.
 
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A: Pointer as a function argument?

Joachim PileborgIt's undefined behavior because you return a pointer to a local variable, which goes out of scope once the function returns.

Is he drunk?
Am I drunk?
Cast your vote!
 
You're drunk
 
7:48 AM
"Say UB and I vote up!"
And damn why do people get so much votes on such a common problem?
Nobody would care to find a dupe for there's so many of them.
 
Indeed I am.
 
:D
 
o_0 what is that guy smoking?
 
You are smoking
He's absolutely right D:
 
Well... I wouldn't consider "returns from a function" the same as "it has an output parameter".
That's what confused me in the first place.
 
7:51 AM
@MarkGarcia Because all people are equally drunk. But some are more equally drunk than others.
 
@Jefffrey You would once you worked with COM.
 
out parameters are not return.
oh, I can't edit my comment any more to add more sarcasm to it...
@JoachimPileborg yes, of course functions return when they are finished, but unless you explicitly do so, they return nothing. Not even a null value. They return void, a clear lack of anything. If I had a penny for everything they returned, I'd have no pennies. I could have an infinite collection of what they return and still have exactly what one call returns, nothing. If an infinite number of monkeys called this function and infinite number of times they would for ever be disappointed by the lack of value that is return and be forever longing for yellow phallic fruit. — thecoshman 7 mins ago
inb4 you fuckers point out spelling mistakes.
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
@Cicada <kissy face>
 
COM interfaces are so consistently bad that you can mechanically rewrite out parameters into a return type/value and the returned error codes as exceptions without any worries.
 
8:00 AM
Some people don't want exceptions, though
 
@Cicada because they are bad obviously.
 
I like the Result<T> style
 
@MarkGarcia I've got nothing wrong (well I do) with the concept of out parameters, just do not confuse them with return. Also, that question was about pure C, so dragging COM seems to just awkward for awkward sake.
@Cicada what, so you can return like an optional that might have an error code instead?
 
@thecoshman Er, no I wasn't pertaining to your comment.
Was another thread of thought.
 
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Slayer is great.
 
8:08 AM
@MarkGarcia ah right
@rightføld ¬_¬ and now that song is back in head, thanks very much dick butt
 
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Angel of Death
 
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one of best songs ever
 
reigning blood...
 
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That's a great album.
 
keep forgetting which is the album and which is the song :P
but yeah, good album
 
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8:09 AM
Raining Blood is the song.
 
hence my correction foo
 
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raining, not reigning
 
sbi
8:31 AM
This is interesting.
4
Morning.
 
rning
 
@thecoshman No, it's more like Result: Ok(T) | Err, no Optional
guise, in which cases would delete this; be useful?
 
sbi
@Cicada When an object wants to delete itself.
 
I mean scenarios D: you smartape
 
sbi
Um.
One I can think of is a framework with which you register objects. Your own code doesn't have references to those objects (think windows in a GUI framework). When those objects receive specific messages, they need to unregister and destroy themselves. Then delete this might make sense.
 
8:36 AM
@Cicada Search the boost sources. I've seen it there before.
 
@sbi I still prefer delegating that to some other entity with some "delete me" flag
@MarkGarcia I'll grep'em, thanks
 
Also, that check in the url.
Github, why do you make your life harder???
 
sbi
@Cicada Look, I'm not advocating it. I do remember that I have used this at least once. However, I doubt that was within the last 15 years.
 
@MarkGarcia Not a delete this; :D Those are disposers
 
Oh right, but the URL still.
 
8:41 AM
Yeah ^^
 
Thank God for Jerry
3
 
@MarkGarcia That is interesting.
 
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hahahahahahaha kotaku.com/…
 
Self destructing objects.
 
8:45 AM
public: void suicide() { delete this; }
2
 
K, guys, I'm going to the doctor today (/cc @Xeo @thecosh)
3
 
Xeo
Finally. Hopefully about your morning sickness.
 
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For what?
 
Xeo
Good robot.
 
8:47 AM
@Cicada Thank Jerry for God.
 
@TonyTheLion void harakiri <- FTFY
 
@rightføld What a jerk.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you pregnant?
 
@rubenvb Does that mean death-by-rice?
 
@TonyTheLion #define suicide ~T();
 
8:48 AM
Aug 6 '12 at 16:43, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I think I'm pregnant or something. I've been feeling morning sickness.
 
HAVE YOU GONE TO THE DOCTOR YET
 
Seppuku (切腹, "stomach-cutting", "abdomen-cutting") is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was originally reserved only for samurai. Part of the samurai bushido honour code, seppuku was either used voluntarily by samurai to die with honour rather than fall into the hands of their enemies (and likely suffer torture), or as a form of capital punishment for samurai who had committed serious offenses, or performed for other reasons that had brought shame to them. The ceremonial disembowelment, which is usually part of a more elaborate ritual and performed in front of spectators...
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes That long? It would have hatched already.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes actually going to talk to them about your medical issues or just sit around watching TV and reading old mags?
 
> employees
 
Xeo
8:49 AM
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
K, guys, I'm going to the doctor today (/cc @Xeo @thecosh)
 
sbi
Good luck, robot!
 
@rubenvb woah
 
@Jefffrey Just waiting for the bathroom to vacate so I can use it, and then I'll go.
 
Good!
 
@TonyTheLion When you delete this, do it with honour!
 
sbi
8:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you think where this sickness comes from?
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Robot is going to seen an engineer about malfunctions. [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
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@sbi Where what?
 
I hate spellung mistakes
fuck it, I'm leaving it
 
@sbi No idea.
 
@TonyTheLion best idea really.
 
8:50 AM
@TonyTheLion thecoshman worthy
 
lol
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes IME, there's few cases where a doctor can help with unspecific symptoms when you don't have an idea for yourself what might have caused them.
 
@TonyTheLion malfunctions!
 
@Cicada wurthy
 
@TonyTheLion AARGGGH
My OCD
 
8:51 AM
@sbi there is no problem except that it's not how people should behave.
 
it's killin me
 
me too
ahhhhh
 
@sbi see 'puppitise'
 
sbi
@Abyx That's bullshit.
 
@sbi I'm starting to note down everything I eat and marking the days when I feel sick so I can find some relation if there is one.
I also started noting down my sleep and wake up times.
 
8:53 AM
IOW, just checking your /var/log
 
sbi
@thecoshman Google asks: "Did you mean: puppetize?"
 
@sbi nope, that's an opinion.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, this sounds like good measures taken. Good luck!
 
@sbi vOv
 
@Abyx lol
 
sbi
8:54 AM
@Abyx Then my opinion is that you're talking bullshit. If people feel gay, let them behave gaily.
@thecoshman I still don't know what you're trying to get at?
 
@sbi ok
 
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Q: Object-Oriented Suicide or delete this;

Armen TsirunyanThe following code compiled with MSVC9.0 runs and outputs Destructor four times, which is logical. #include <iostream> class SomeClass { public: void CommitSuicide() { delete this; } void Reincarnate() { this->~SomeClass(); new (this) SomeClass; } ~SomeClas...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes day 6, ate some mercury. day 7, feel rather bad.
 
But yesterday I felt sick the whole day, and today I feel worse, so I won't just put up with it again.
 
@sbi puppys long winded unknownable 'ill'
 
sbi
8:55 AM
@thecoshman Ah, that. Yes, I remember it. What about it?
 
Is there a way to say: "Ok, you can use this type in a type signature, but not create it explicitly" in C++?
 
@sbi I was making some point about it...
 
@Jefffrey What is a "type signature"? A function signature?
 
Privatise the ctor?
 
Something like module X (Type) where vs module X (Type(..)) where in Haskell
 
sbi
8:56 AM
@thecoshman Yeah. And I'm trying to grasp said point. Lend me a hand, there?
 
@FredOverflow Yeah.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That could work.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Abstract base class?
 
Hmm... only if you restrict yourself to pointers and references, methinks.
 
@sbi erm... hang on...
 
8:57 AM
oh, I was just making point of how puppy spent ages clearly ill, but for no discernible reason. IIRC, a diagnosis was still not found, just a cure.
 
2 recruiter calls and 3 emails so far
those people are restless
 
"hey bby how u doin"
 
"u wan sum fuck job?"
 
@Jefffrey as sbi said, abstract base class.
 
8:58 AM
@Cicada more like "ha-ha! now you'll talk to me!"
 
sbi
@thecoshman I thought he was diagnosed with IBS? (Admittedly, it's a " a symptom-based diagnosis".)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well at least they talk to you :D I still have 0 response from any applications sent in France. The only companies I'm making progress with are on the other side of the planet (fine by me, but it's kind of incredulous).
 

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