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9:00 PM
update = do
    player.position.x += 1
    player.position.y -= 1
this is just too fun
 
Xeo
a shame that it's needed
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz COOL!
 
@rightfold hmm?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz zoom (player.position) $ do x += 1; y -= 1
 
#omgomgomg
this all is too good
why did I ever think about going back to C++
 
user1804599
9:01 PM
@Xeo I like how you can easily restrict side-effects in Haskell.
 
yeah, you can just zoom on a part of something
 
user1804599
Even when side-effects are emulated like with the state monad.
 
gosh it's so great
see @R.MartinhoFernandes I am not ranting!
 
user1804599
Want read-only view? Use reader.
 
@BartekBanachewicz wrong
 
9:03 PM
@sehe what?
 
Just because you're not being negative about something doesn't mean it's not a rant
 
user1804599
Rantebiel.
 
@rightfold dat pun
 
user1804599
}{ print $.; dat obfuscated Perl code.
 
9:06 PM
@Ell You mean with the folks here in the Lounge? Paranoia.
 
@rightfold "obfuscated Perl" is redundant.
4
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks. I keep forgetting! I'll write it down this time haha
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion it was a puny insult.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I just took a quick look at the NVPath intro pdf, they use the same commands as nanovg (moveto, lineto, ...)
 
9:11 PM
@Borgleader well they were around since what, Pascal graphics?
@Borgleader the point is that it was done in the driver.
 
I know I know, I was just surprised of the similarity.
 
I should finally sit to OGL in haskell
GLFW-b looks pretty okay-ish
 
GLFW-b?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ...and even before Pascal was really very popular at all (e.g., GKS goes back to around the mid-1970's).
 
@Borgleader thing is, apparently there are 2 competing bindings to GLFW (yeah well hackage really has lots of stuff)
 
user1804599
9:16 PM
RankNTypes is hilarious.
 
@JerryCoffin oh, I thought that BGI is a bit older. Yeah, people loved their state machines, I guess.
@Borgleader note how glVertex is "lineto" :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. I use SFML now (for what I used GLFW for previously)
 
fuck SFML (well I don't want to use it anymore)
 
What don't you like about it?
 
@Borgleader I think that GLFW is better if you need basics, and Cinder is better if you need more than basics
@Borgleader its author's views, for one
 
9:20 PM
You dislike the library based on what the author thinks? =/
 
what he thinks is essentially shaping the library
sRGB support issue is hanging for 2 years now
it's a goddamn trivial fix
and he won't add it just because "it's targetted at newbies". Or something, I dunno really
I hacked my own fork for minicraft, but I don't think it's worth it (considering alternatives I've mentioned)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz is there a patch/branch/something ready to merge?
 
@Ell I don't think so
I hotfixed my fork and never got around to making a proper PR
I guess others did pretty much the same
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, it suits my needs for now. And the api is neat for the most part, so my code is decent
 
Also I had issues with Laurent since ancient times
basically this library is fine if you want simple stuff, but it's kinda... clueless when it comes to really doing something serious, imho
 
9:24 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Guess why it's called Simple and Fast Media Library ;)
 
yeah well it's not bad per se (like SDL)
but I think that GLFW/Cinder make much more powerful/easy combos
and NanoVG too now
 
I'm not fond of Cinder. Not saying it's bad, I just find it meh.
 
but I can understand the turnoff of raw C
@Borgleader anything in particular?
I've looked at the examples (rather pleasant) and tutorials (very good).
 
I don't remember the specifics because I tried it last summer right after GN2013. I mean, doing things is generally easy but I remember being irked by a few things. So yeah, I'm not saying it's bad but I wasn't thrilled when I used it.
 
@Borgleader the offered functionality is kinda impressive though
 
Xeo
@rightfold yeah, I don't get those
 
user1804599
@Xeo Why not?
 
user1804599
fboo
 
@Borgleader hell yeah
> Would like to drop the Direct3D backends and go
OpenGL-exclusive
 
@BartekBanachewicz BGI was Borland -- didn't exist until 1983 or so. If memory serves, they originally based most of their graphics on UCSD Pascal though, which went back a few years further, around '79 or '80, IIRC.
 
9:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz They're making a strong case here.
 
> Perf: Not using trivial DSA (Direct State Access) equivalents
heh
 
Ell
@Borgleader woop woop woop!
 
> VOGL - New open source tools from Valve
MUST DOWNLOAD NOW :D where are they o.o
 
yeah so pretty much
"fuck DirectX guys. Abandon ship" //cc @ThePhD @melak47
@Borgleader I think they are working on those
 
9:39 PM
@Borgleader yeah was just posting that
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think the "fuck DirectX" is more incidental than the real focus. I think it's more a problem with being tied to Microsoft than any sort of technical problems with DirectX itself.
 
Current App Compatibility
Still working on:
•G-Truc 4.x Samples
that guy is more of a badass than i thought o.o
 
@Borgleader of course he is
 
This is still new to me! T_T
 
pretty much everyone at Intel knows (about) him (well in my division)
@JerryCoffin well, the outcome is important for me
@Borgleader and glm is awesomeballs
 
9:48 PM
I know, I use it :D
 
I use it too. Well, used in C++.
 
I made a property sheet recently for easy setup in VS
 
I wonder what could I use in Haskell.
oh right GL package has necessary stuff already
vOv
let's draw something
 
Draw a tessellated bezier curve ;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why should that be important?
 
9:54 PM
@Borgleader lol I want a window first
 
@BartekBanachewicz use GLFW
oh wait ;)
 
@Borgleader yeah I'm setting up GLFW sample
 
In Haskell? o.o
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me.
 
9:55 PM
@Borgleader of course
 
@EtiennedeMartel right?
 
import qualified Graphics.UI.GLFW as G
:v
eh fixed pipeline...
 
seriously, only FFP?
install new language
 
nah, the example has it
 
std::array<Vec3, 5> ctrlPoints = { { { -0.9f, -0.9f, 0.0f }, { -0.4f, 0.0f, 0.0f }, { 0.1f, 0.2f, 0.0f }, { 0.4f, -0.9f, 0.0f } } };
Is it because VS is retarded that I needed an extra pair of braces?
 
9:58 PM
don't think so
depends on the version
 
loaded question much
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: French fries, now with more C++ than ever. [no-thing]
 
> A Haskell binding for the OpenGL graphics system (GL, version 4.4)
 
Because with a raw array you need one less pair of braces
 
Rainbow flag on top of the Quebec parliament.
 
9:59 PM
beautiful light
 
@Borgleader That is ultimately irrelevant as to whether or not needing an extra pair of braces means VS is wrong.
 

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