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12:04 AM
riight, points free notation with... points, absolutely legit
 
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A: 2014 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Nicholas Yost How many walkers have you killed? How many people have you killed? Why?

^^ lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm voting for this individual
 
I'd vote for minitech again if I could
 
vote for me!
In spirit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit were there any issues with him last time or did he just not win because he wan't the most popular (I remember he ran last time, or the time before)
 
Xeo
12:09 AM
> How would you deal with a user who produced a steady stream of valuable answers, but tends to generate a large number of arguments/flags from comments?
Or: 'How would you deal with Vlad?'
 
meh:
@RobertHarvey Honestly? I mainly want to do what the correct course of action should be in the future. Other than that I'm interested in why it's still wrongly tagged. — Benjamin Gruenbaum 1 min ago
 
My only declined flag is odd.
The moderator declined my flag and then did the work himself.
I still am a little bitter about it
 
@Xeo lol
@Xeo Wait. But aren't they wrong half the time?
 
> a number of flags were on the post, and one of them would have a strong negative impact on the poster if marked helpful (eg spam flags can cause 100 rep penalties.) Moderators can only mark all the flags on a post helpful or decline them all - in declining the strong-penalty flag, yours will be declined too, but the moderator will often take your suggested action anyway.
 
Or at least the ones that I see have a strong tendency to be wrong.
 
12:14 AM
Mod tools suck ass eh
 
Xeo
@Mysticial he has what, 8k rep now, for a reason, though. He's not totally dumb.
 
iirc he has 10k now
 
@Xeo I dunno. If half your answers are correct, and half are wrong, you still net positive rep.
 
yeah, 10,120 rep
he just spams answers
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't recall
 
12:17 AM
lol
 
44.7% of Vlad's answers have a score of 0.
 
lol Tenacious badge
 
truly the most unsung hero of all time
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, checked. Sorry my bad.
Also thanks for:
That question quite obviously has nothing at all to do with MVC. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum :)
It's true. Robert's stance seems a bit odd here. (Though I appreciate his arguments as applied to the general case)
@Rapptz no way to search for negative-score posts :(
er, or, actually, non-zero-score posts. wtf
score	score:3 (3+)
	score:0 (none)
oh please
 
12:25 AM
yeah it's... strange
 
my drugs question is popular
 
we care!
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit score:1?
 
@Xeo I meant a specific non-zero positive score
basically, I can't search by non-zero equality, or by lesser-than.
 
Xeo
oh
 
12:31 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, I like him. He is doing a lot of moderation and when you cut wood you get splinters - I just don't really understand his rationale in this case. He has more experience though and raised some interesting points. While I don't agree with them I understand his rationale better now.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit stackoverflow.com/help/searching
see 'range operators'
score:..-1 should do it
and exact value is score:n..n
 
Cool
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion It's not my fault. D:
 
@Xeo oh!
@Xeo heeheehee
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit teehee
 
12:42 AM
@Xeo yeah well
@Gman: You won't -1, but I sure will. The STL in an independent form stopped existing since it got adopted into the C++ Standard and in modern usage always refers to the classes provided by the C++ Standard. — DeadMG Jan 14 '11 at 19:41
 
You have more negative answers than Vlad.
 
looooser
@Rapptz To be fair, I have almost 4 times as many answers in general than Vlad. I have 2 times as many negative answers. That means, at scale, his shit quota is twice as big as mine. Also it's nice to see that the vast majority of my neg-score answers date back to 2011. :)
 
mine are all from 2012.
I only have 2 though
 
Xeo
I have none
 
sleep fail again :(
 
12:45 AM
@Xeo Do you delete a post when it's neg-scored?
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I delete a post when I'm wrong :) which normally coincides with a negative score
 
lol
 
Xeo
you should get -1 by default for posting in
 
and people didn't like this sort of answer in 2011. maybe I'll do a bit of a cleanup later in the week.
 
Xeo
12:49 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit FWIW, I also occasionally clean up 0-score answers
 
@Xeo you're such a diva
 
Xeo
hm, 812 of my 1.1k answers have score 5 or less
that's kinda depressing
 
see I just leave all mine to accrue rep over time. some of these long-standing neg-score ones will probably get deleted thanks to that lovely search feature. not all are wrong though :(
 
@Rapptz 2 from 2012. And 12 from 2011. I should probably clean up my old junk
 
Whoa...
TIL Mt.Gox was originally a site to sell Magic cards
 
12:56 AM
what's mt.gox?
 
Woah! Just noticed twice down voted. All just because people won't think for themselves when pointed at the right API, in my not-so-humble opinion. Oh, well... :_ — sehe Apr 23 '11 at 10:09
 
> The Mt.Gox website was originally founded by Jed McCaleb as an online exchange for buying and selling Magic: The Gathering cards, a popular trading card game. Its name was an initialism of Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange.
@DeadMG Site that sells >70% of bitcoins
 
I heard something about that
 
oh
so "Site peddling to dumbass people wasting their money on TCGs" becomes "Site peddling to dumbass people wasting their money on buttcoins".
I guess I'm just not seeing the surprise here.
from one scam to another
 
The solution to the problem is to not have global mutable data, not to make it even worse. — DeadMG Jul 9 '11 at 20:14
^ haha this one was courtesy of a puppy
 
12:58 AM
Aren't you tasteful.
 
@sehe Just noticed that I am in fact the sole downvoter on that answer
 
of course
 
Xeo
@sehe ew, new
 
@DeadMG not any more!
 
hahahaha. dude.
 
1:00 AM
make it static Fred ans; and I may reconsider
comment-inform me when done ;)
night night kids
 
Let's discuss your old sins. Ungrateful sons of bitches :D
 
Night
I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of Ahead-of-Time compiling. It does not mean you magically get to 'eval' bytecode from source. However, if you search for the actual question you will find a number of relevant embeddable compilers — sehe Oct 28 '11 at 15:33
 
@sehe upvoted
 
Awesome. The fuzzies
@ZyX Finally found the time to incorporate your feedback. Better late than...? — sehe 11 secs ago
 
1:09 AM
your comment is a bit wrong, though.
you can invoke LLVM/Clang to JIT C++ at runtime.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nice
 
@DeadMG True. Old tuff. Deleted.
 
as far as I'm aware they always offered this capability.
not that it really matters.
 
yeah. I think they did
@DeadMG It's nice of you to consider the possibility that time changed my answer status :/
 
it doesn't matter because I decided to upvote you anyway.
 
1:12 AM
Where?! lol
 
the answer you just deleted
 
Oh well. Thanks anyway
 
1:23 AM
Anyone else want to crack at this seemingly simple Boost Asio question? Trivial adaptation from a sample app. I don't see what's wrong
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Q: Boost::Asio, SSL Connection Problems

joshfloshI tried to solve my Problem for a few days now and just can't get behind it. I try to do an SSL Connection with the Boost::Asio Library and OpenSSL. There is an Example Code, how to do this: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_55_0/doc/html/boost_asio/example/cpp03/ssl/client.cpp It builds and runs ...

I'm off to bed. Night all
 
night
 
1:39 AM
Hmmm, "null" as a package tracking number. Sounds great.
 
YOU'RE A NULL PACKAGE TRACKING NUMBER
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahaha
 
> It would take a desktop PC about 68 googol years to crack your password
68 googles!
 
Xeo
google 'what is rapptz' password' and go to page 68?
 
No, on the 68th google search of "Rapptz's password" you will receive it
 
2:00 AM
how do I java
 
you don't
 
user3010322
You curl up and cry in a corner.
 
user3010322
Not impressed?
 
if it only supports CMake then fuck that :/
 
user3010322
2:10 AM
Heh.
 
I only watched 30 seconds of it and saw it only supported CMake presumably so I stopped
 
user3010322
I would have thought they'd make a meta build system out of ninja or something.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz The music wasn't helping either.
 
Not even that
Qt Creator allows you to specify everything
build system, etc
and it handles the files just fine
 
it's only a preview build, I think they're clearly implying that they're gonna support more later
 
@Rapptz A frontal lobotomy is a good starting point.
 
I decided to close the thing, I can't do Java for the life of me
 
Xeo
@Rapptz wtf
@Rapptz they manually specified the source files in the cmake.txt - it's their project file :(
 
hopefully it'll improve
otherwise it's pretty lame
 
user3010322
Build System, Debugger.
 
user3010322
2:17 AM
Those are probably the two greatest things any IDE needs.
 
debugger, debugger, debugger.
 
user3010322
Refactoring is nice, but quite honestly can be done without for a while.
 
I don't feel the need for any refactoring tools personally
 
Xeo
@ThePhD that's their biggest selling point, though
 
user3010322
Well, it better not be their only selling point.
 
user3010322
2:18 AM
If the debugger is just another Eclipse/Code::Blocks-alike piece of crap...
 
user3010322
Albeit, I don't know of anyone who can properly or nicely wrap GDB.
 
Qt Creator's debugging UI is okay
Probably one of the better wrappers around GDB
 
you should try to debug a database sitting in a smart phone app or app's push notification system - it's 'fun'
 
Well...
the refactoring things in this video are neat I guess
 
well
all I'm saying is that for me, I'd only switch away from VS if and only if there's a competitively good debugger.
until that day comes, my allegiance is firmly to Microsoft.
 
2:23 AM
@DeadMG Only java developpers need refactoring tool
 
gdb is seriously not bad if you know how to use it
 
we pretty much all already filled it out :P
 
Did this exist earlier?
 
it's been around for a while
 
2:24 AM
I thought that was for R# C++
 
user3010322
I haven't filled it out just yet.
 
oh dunno if they are different forms
 
they are
 
@Rapptz The options don't even include Microsoft's toolchain.
including Comeau and not MSVC is a joke.
 
even Jetbrains knows MSVC sucks
 
user3010322
2:27 AM
I just said "other".
 
@DeadMG windows is a thing of the past, forget it exists
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix and the future too
unless the Linux people get their acts together and remember how to use computers (and programming them would be a start too)
 
I wish I could say it's bait, but you actually believe these things.
 
user3010322
I partially agree that Linux is not very... user friendly.
 
it's just my general experience of trying to use Linux-based software.
as in, they don't really offer "use" as opposed to "program".
 
user3010322
2:29 AM
At the end of the day, I'm usually always biting the command line and fishing through lots of config files and scripting stuff.
 
I'd say the best thing that can happen is see more govs switching to linux
 
the US government uses Linux
 
Using and using / extending it
 
Army uses Windows I think
 
The thing is It really piss me off to see people in the government that says "LibreOffice" suck... lets just pay billion of dollar on office and new licenses... when they could actually hire programmers to fix libreoffice
 
2:36 AM
that would take years and little guarantee of success.
 
LibreOffice does suck though
 
if you buy Microsoft Office you get a working office product right now.
 
So does Office
 
I don't actually need office software right now
 
@Rapptz They said they'll add support for other project files, but they are not sure which. FWIW, their survey includes Ninja as an answer to "What build system do you use?" :)
 
2:37 AM
@DeadMG they were saying that libre office sucked because of the UI before the ribbon menus... because LibreOffice was too different
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ninja but not MSBuild?
 
when the ribbon menu surfaced... they lost that argument and it was pretty funny
 
Why would you?
 
why would you what?
 
>cross platform technologies
 
2:38 AM
Buy VS and JB's IDE to use VS files in JB's IDE.
 
plenty of people ship or generate VS project files without buying VS.
 
user3010322
MSBuild was only recently made separate from VS, so as a company its' not really viable to pick up MSBuild as it would only support the very latest specification.
 
doesn't matter.
 
The compiler is not separate from VS anymore.
 
what matters is that I am sitting here evaluating their product and comparing it to Visual Studio.
and a lot of people are going to be doing that too
 
user3010322
2:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes VC++? Or the MSBuild compiler?
 
and if they want to know how many, they should permit their survey to measure them
 
And they won't care.
@ThePhD VC++
 
user3010322
I thought MSBuildTools was explicitly separated from VS with the latest release?
 
user3010322
Oh, VC++.
 
user3010322
Well yeah, you can't really get VC++ either, but that's not even a problem.
 
2:41 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not?
 
The Windows SDK no longer ships a compiler.
 
user3010322
MSBuild can work with other build systems, it's just a matter of learning the gawky, awkward XML syntax.
 
don't they want Windows programmers to buy their IDE?
 
user3010322
@DeadMG All the skills of a Windows Programmer are directly transferrable to MinGW + other tools.
 
they want profitable companies to buy windows IDE
 
user3010322
2:41 AM
In fact, you gain many C++ features by ditching VC++. Supporting VC++ is just asking for damnnation.
 
They don't want to support VC++'s nonsense.
 
@ThePhD Fuck C++ features.
 
Frankly I wouldn't either
 
they're shipping an IDE not a compiler.
 
They have an alternative product for those poor souls.
 
2:42 AM
I care a lot more about debugging than I care about having inheriting constructors
 
how is MSBuild relevant to that?
 
just saying to thephd that it's really not as simple as just "Switch to MinGW away from VS".
 
it could be
 
user3010322
That's up to them either parsing DWARF themselves or -- more likely -- wrapping up GDB with cygwin/GCC (still lol'ing at that decision -- why the fuck not MinGW?) or when they include Clang, getting LLDB.
 
I have managed to debug my phones into limbo a couple of times, that was fun
 
2:43 AM
if the GDB/LLDB integration was good
 
well, it could be if JetBrains competes with VS as an IDE.
 
why wouldn't it?
 
which is my original point- that JetBrains competes against VS for a Windows IDE experience.
 
@ThePhD Why the fuck not read?
 
so it only makes sense that they should survey how many of their users/etc are using MSVC right now.
 
2:44 AM
@DeadMG Nope.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not?
 
Not supporting MSBuild is not exactly going to persuade millions of Windows developers to not use their IDE.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes But why do you need cygwin with MinGW?!
 
They place themselves exactly on the void that VS leaves, and fill in VS with R#.
 
@DeadMG Especially those who are stuck in the pre VS2010 era.
 
2:44 AM
@ThePhD ...
 
nothing is more awesome than debugging your smart phone into a black screen of death
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hold on, am I missing something here? I have MinGW builds that do not have cygwin included.
 
user3010322
When I run my shit I run it just using g++. Why the cygwin?
 
Yes, you're missing reading instead of jumping to nonsense conclusions.
 
@ThePhD I certainly don't have Cygwin installed and I use MinGW all the time.
MinGW absolutely does not depend on Cygwin at all.
 
2:45 AM
based on what they've shown, the only things I consider major to add would be good debugging integration and not relying on CMake only. That and proper autocomplete would be neat.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes My question is why are they supporting cygwin's stuff at all.
 
@Rapptz I want multiple project type support!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes R# doesn't really "fill in" VS. That's just refactoring tools.
 
user3010322
VS Debugging Engine for the DWARF format~
 
Xeo
@DeadMG ... which VS is missing
 
2:47 AM
@DeadMG It fills their pockets. Much easier to sell than a whole fucking IDE.
 
@Xeo Arguably true, but on the scale of things that VS is missing, it's not a big one.
 
"Hey, you have VS; btw you should buy our IDE too and use both"
 
why not just not use VS at all?
switch away to JetBrains.
 
Then why support VS's compiler?
 
I do believe that's the point
@MarkGarcia Considering they've made a billion IDEs, I'm pretty sure "standard IDE features" will be included.
 
2:49 AM
compatibility for people who are making the switch?
 
user3010322
VC++ is the lowest common denominator of C++.
 
user3010322
Unless you're writing horribly non-standard code, it should work mostly fine with some tuneups to play with GCC and Clang.
 
also, I'd suggest that in some ways, they don't need to support VS's compiler to attract people away from VS.
 
@ThePhD There are still poor guys using Turbo, ya know. ;)
 
user3010322
@MarkGarcia That's an artifact of idiots in University, almost exclusively.
 
2:50 AM
all they'd really need is Clang/GCC's C++11 support, be cross-platform, and support decent debugging.
then they've got the best of all worlds really.
 
@ThePhD Because people use Cygwin and it's another platform people use to write C++ on Windows?
 
if you want an MSVC-compatible compiler, you can just set the relevant options on Clang anyway
 
I am sure most people aren't using VS because of the compilers only. There are a lot of things VS offer such as libraries & ready built components.
 
@DeadMG Qt Creator already does this
but people don't try it
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv Well, alrighty. I never liked cygwin and messing with its shell-ness always threw me for a loop.
 
2:51 AM
I don't know why
 
@DeadMG Yeah. If clang-cl's stable release makes a good timing with JetBrains, that would be hard for VS.
 
Actually, I do know why.
 
probably because it has a giant "Qt" written on it.
 
People read "Qt" in the name and assume it's for Qt only
 
user3010322
@Rapptz makefiles
 
2:51 AM
Despite being the best cross platform IDE for C++ atm
 
user3010322
Fucking. Makefiles. =[
 
@ThePhD I knew you had no idea what you were talking about. You didn't need to explain it.
@ThePhD What?
 
@ThePhD Do you even know what you're talking about?
 
22 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@ThePhD I knew you had no idea what you were talking about. You didn't need to explain it.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Qt uses either makefiles or that custom-rolled Qt-build that's somewhat like makefiles.
 
2:53 AM
@ThePhD Cygwin and MinGW have overlapping concerns but they are not interchangeable.
 
Actually, it uses whatever you want it to use.
I use my meta build system
 
@ThePhD You don't need to edit those manually.
 
@Rapptz Does that include VS projects?
although I guess for me I can always ask premake to make makefiles instead.
 
@DeadMG No, I just do what you do with premake, except with my thing.
 
well
 
2:55 AM
premake generates poor Makefiles :(
 
I need to rebuild Clang and LLVM anyway to ship up to 3.4 release
so right now, I am in the market for a new IDE.
 
Well, there isn't a lot of room for something decent with recursive make, but still.
 
user3010322
Have you built LLVM/Clang with VS 2013?
 
user3010322
I haven't tried for the longest time.
 
I should finish my meta build system thing
 
2:56 AM
@ThePhD Nope.
 
but I never got a syntax I felt good with for the lua API
 
I haven't rebuilt LLVM/Clang since Nov CTP and that was like, 12 months ago at least
 
once I have that figured out it should be easy :s
 
it takes so fucking long without an SSD
 
user3010322
Meh.
 
2:57 AM
also
 
user3010322
I'll just wait until compile-time reflection is in C++ in 10 years.
 
my CPU is failing
so it basically just takes forever.
 
I just load it all to RAM and call it a day.
 
I've only got 6 jiggerbytes
 
You know the site :P
 
2:58 AM
lol
 
Xeo
Man, so many non-understandings: reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1xaw97/… ( he also seems to like Scheme a lot)
 
so yeah, basically, my computer is failing
and I can't afford to replace said failing components.
 
user3010322
Meh. If I can finish Visual GCC's debugging engine for VS (jesus christ its a nightmare), then I can make good progress / effort.
 
user3010322
Then I'll never need to switch IDEs.
 
eh
 
user3010322
2:59 AM
Jerry rig my complete C++11 support with lovely project files and property sheets myself.
 
frankly, I still hate VS because it's often super slow and laggy.
it's like, "Copy text to clipboard" -> "Waiting for background operation to complete ... ... ..."
 
user3010322
Needs more RAM.
 
user3010322
And a better PC.
 

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