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Xeo
1:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think they simply mean the name, since it starts with an underscore.
 
It works!
Oh my. Ain't this pretty.
Well, it is ugly, actually.
Fucking TMP
 
@Xeo Possibly. What a terrifically abysmal way to describe the situation, though. And the page doesn't even have one of dem feedback form thingies
@DeadMG nah
 
When my boss comes back, I'll have to convince him to let me open source this
 
"Boss, my code is really fucking ugly. Can I open source it?" "Sure, that makes sense."
 
hmm
 
1:06 PM
ooh my comment on H2CO2's nomination is back. Page bug, perhaps
 
I will have to guard against double default construction though.
gonna need a test for that shit.
 
Double what
 
> Darling, you are skating close to Bob Harper-like unreasonability on this topic. Do you think it’s a shameful travesty that the scourge of undefined behavior continues to exist? You’re either making a joke or a slippery slope argument; I like the joke but the slippery slope argument (LOOK WHAT RETARDED CRAP RETARDED OPTIMIZERS COULD DO!!) seems weak.
 
@Lightness yeah it's a bug. Fixed in next release.
Full of dupes on meta
 
1:08 PM
@Lightness it's ugly but enables the pretties! And the usefuls.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Double default construction.
well
actually, I just need to figure out when I want to generate the default constructor.
 
@sehe Looking at the internal bits, it’s somewhat clear that using vim-vinegar ends up involving netrw. You’ve been entirely unhelpful :(
 
You're observation is unrelated to anything I can say or do.
 
maybe if there are no user-defined constructors, and the user did not define copy/move assignment op/destructor?
 
1:13 PM
Someone just updated the bug loglist saying "Still didn't investigate that"
Keep me posted, I guess.
 
You're missing some information about the game of communication and expectation, I guess
@sehe Oh gosh. Spelling. Not my day.
 
ITT Polar bears talking to themselves.
 
Aaand the winner for weirdest question goes to…
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A: why need a localizer device for EEG?

PotatoswatterConsulting Google's search result synopses and this result, an EEG localizer is a signal processing step which finds where in the brain a signal is coming from. This is a lot like deconvolution. It might also be used, given known reference points, to characterize brain geometry for diagnostic pur...

 
that tagline
 
dude
 
1:18 PM
> 6k+ profile views isn't an achievement. Change your avatar pic to some attractive female and you'll double them in a week. – FreshPrinceOfSO 19 mins ago
 
why did you even answer that shit.
 
@DeadMG Question made me curious, Google had the answer.
 
It's only slightly more OT than the time I had a signal processing question, anyway. (But at least I knew what I wanted. This guy appears completely without a frame of reference.)
 
You know, I was wondering.
I answer a lot of shitty newbie questions.
And those answers get awfully low scores
But I don't think I shouldn't answer them just because my rep/post would drop
 
1:21 PM
All this election fathery has me semi-tempted to nominate myself. It's a good thing I'd lose
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit famous last words.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, SO is not a competition…
 
Xeo
Holy shit, how can that moron have so many supporters.
 
cause morons get elected
look at politics
 
I think I shouldn't answer them because my rep/post would drop
I mean that
 
1:22 PM
@Xeo Which one
 
Xeo
also, didn't somebody here have a nice tweet from him? @Cat, IIRC?
 
people are masters are electing those that can talk themselves into being elected, skill has nothing to with it
 
SNR, effort/benefit, etc.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus H2CO3, or Moronic Acid
 
@Xeo that would be 3rd time today
 
1:23 PM
@Xeo because... there are a lot of morons? :p
 
Nah, no tweets, that was someone else
 
While imperfect at extremes, post score is a measure of signal.
 
> Yes , I Agree to the below quote.

“ A real programmer is not a programmer..I call him as a perfect debugger. ”
 
Lots of 0-score posts are noise.
See also: Vlad.
 
1:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah :/
 
I do have an email where he said me saying C is bad is like racism, though
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus o.0
 
@CatPlusPlus Why are you so racist against morons?
 
Well, I certainly brought that upon myself :P haha
 
I typed a lot of :words: that day
 
1:26 PM
hmmm.
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees heh
@Potatoswatter It absolutely is
 
ugh, this code is a maze
 
@Xeo s/that moron/SO/ so/supporters/morons/
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh! I like that.
 
I need to re-wrap callables into overload resolvables.
 
1:26 PM
@CatPlusPlus that sounds like "I've slain a lot of orcs that day"
also I have an idea
for TGLGJ#2 (or 3 perhaps)
 
@DeadMG how does the rest of the song go?
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's just making random noises
 
GRGrbgrbgrbghrg
 
1:28 PM
I forgot to put T in there
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know
But the acronym really doesn't work :v
 
@BartekBanachewicz I downvoted for being unnecessarily judgemental
 
It's not an acronym.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We could standarize a DDF - dungeon description format. And use it somehow. That was just an idea.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It goes, "If you want to bring in a part of another overload set then you can't just take the resolvable directly cause it might resolve to more than just the part you resolved, so you've gotta get the callable and then produce a new resolvable that maps to it only in those conditions".
 
It's just an abbreviation.
 
1:29 PM
ASCII-grid with standarized letters could be funny
 
I'm p sure it's an acronym
 
@BartekBanachewicz How does one describe a dungeon? "Haaalp let me out!!!!"
 
lol that's every good dungeon
 
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, I don't think people will want that. I don't, even though I probably will make some sort of dungeon crawler. I rather like the variety we got in the first one and don't want to lose that.
 
@CatPlusPlus LGJ then?
 
1:30 PM
Lounjam
 
Just wondering how many peeps here still remember the days when potatoes were being swatted on a daily basis
 
@CatPlusPlus How do you pronounce it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I like that too. But the idea of shared content is nice too, and we could try it out sometime.
also GLG kinda looks like a face
 
@sehe wat
@BartekBanachewicz It's not really nice at all.
 
@DeadMG You don't?
 
1:32 PM
not really
 
@DeadMG then "brap brap uh uh"?
 
@sehe Only one e in judgmental. And, don't be too serious.
 
@DeadMG (some people here will probably perceive PSwatter as a total stranger)
@Potatoswatter So meta :)
 
oh, I certainly don't.
but I don't recall any daily-basis swatting.
 
I know /that/
 
1:33 PM
lol
 
@DeadMG Certainly on the main site
 
he'd be more memorable if he didn't have such a dumb generic avatar.
 
The name works for me
 
Cmon, I used to spend all day here!
 
@sehe Oh, I haven't been a regular there for years :P
@Potatoswatter Dumb. Generic. Avatar.
 
1:34 PM
@DeadMG I think that if the content is universal enough it can be used in many funky unpredictable ways
 
Puppy. Memory. Fail.
 
anyway I guess that DDF can be something separate
I wrote a renderer of ASCII grid on uni classes once
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which basically becomes, "If we create an interface that's flexible enough, it can be used for any implementation!".
which is technically true and also completely voids the point.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have consulted experts at The Internet and it's an initialism :v
 
1:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus :P
 
user1804599
omg
 
@DeadMG Sounds like the inner-platform effect.
The inner-platform effect is the tendency of software architects to create a system so customizable as to become a replica, and often a poor replica, of the software development platform they are using. This is generally inefficient and such systems are often considered by Brown et al to be examples of an anti-pattern. Examples Examples are visible in plugin-based software such as some text editors and web browsers which often have people creating plugins that recreate software that would normally run on top of the operating system itself. The Firefox add-on mechanism has been used to ...
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WOW
That's a keeper.
 
Some common framework for UI or whatever wouldn't be too bad of an idea
 
{-# LANGUAGE ExistentialQuantification #-}
WAT
 
1:37 PM
Magic
 
@CatPlusPlus That I don't disagree. Let's get together and write it!
 
> “A real programmer is not a programmer..I call him as a perfect debugger.”
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, kinda.
 
 
Xeo
I don't get existential quantification :<
 
1:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haha
 
they really can't pick more weird names
 
@Xeo Cogito ergo sum?
Wait, that's something else.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz it comes from math or something
 
> I rome around
 
Existentials are type erasure
 
1:39 PM
That's a weird typo.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Codito ergo sum
5
 
Codito ergo alcohol
 
@Xeo Tweet it before I do.
 
Xeo
lol
 
type Any = exists a . Num a => a should clear it up somewhat maybe?
 
1:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't that quite old?
> About 29,300 results (0.39 seconds)
 
Everything is old on the internet
 
well not expert haskell gamedev programmers
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus oh right, that was that
 
@BartekBanachewicz if there are any, they, too, are probably old :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I won't argue, because my point was completely different. We all know what functional programming is an interesting alternative and so on. I just said that despite having all that shining abilities (which zealots love to mention), there are no haskell game engines comparable even with relatively simple enthusiast projects using conventional approach. So it is a bit early to reason about advantages of FP in this particular area. There's simply no experts at this topic today, no one will give a reliable answer at SO. — user2894391 45 mins ago
 
1:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus well, I spotted ~12 blogs with that title alone
 
@melak47 challenge accepted ^
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're gonna become an expert haskell gamedev before you grow old? :)
 
hmmm.
 
I can already mutate state (7 months of learning)
 
1:43 PM
if you have only, say, operator=(int), do I or do I not generate copy assignment operator for you?
 
> a class hierarchy is a wrong architecture even when using C++
huh
 
@BartekBanachewicz Via ST or IO? :v
 
Xeo
I was actually thinking of inner foralls. type Bla a = forall b. a -> b -> a or something like that. ... Actually, I guess that's just a polymorphic type synonym.
@DeadMG generate
 
@CatPlusPlus So far I've used StateT s IO () and IORefs
 
I agree.
 
Xeo
1:45 PM
copy/move special members are independent of others
 
@Xeo It's the same thing, Haskell just uses forall instead of exists
 
Xeo
assignment from int might just reflect constructon from int
 
at least in this case there's no others to generate so you don't get a double issue.
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Do I really need to have Furrovine be OpenSource to use it in the Game Jam? :c
 
1:47 PM
@ThePhD yes
 
user3010322
Can't there be an exception clause? Puurrrreeeeease? ;~;
 
@ThePhD no
 
user3010322
q_q
 
just don't use it
 
personally
I don't see the point.
 
1:48 PM
@ThePhD if you've managed to write something like it you can whip out a simple 3d renderer in an hour
 
if you start from a higher playing field people are just gonna judge you much more harshly for it.
probably more than it's worth IYAM.
 
user3010322
:c Well, okay...
 
or dunno, just extract some core from it, slap a "Lite" label and opensource that
 
user3010322
I... I guess I'll try making Furrovine opensource, I'unno. Feel how I like it...
 
I have no idea how one can try making code opensource
either you release it or not
 
1:49 PM
Anyone ever used prolog?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yes
 
Ludum Dare gives some post hoc time exclusively for porting work. What do you guys think?
 
user3010322
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix @Purrfection loves prolog!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think that we can count that as part of deployment/builds, so yeah, I'd allow that
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix If it were never used by anyone, it would be quite obscure.
 
1:50 PM
^ jerk (@ThePhD)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems unnecessary? People will either port their game once they have it or they won't.
 
I kinda disagree.
 
if by porting you mean "build on other platforms and fix if something breaks"
 
I have some assigment in Prolog
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, that's what it means.
 
1:51 PM
not "replace all of the libraries"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or "Find interpreter binaries".
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Is that like an astigatism? Cos it hurts my eyes too.
 
@DeadMG uh just get a linux VM
 
Puppy got hurt by a missing Python interpreter.
 
rofl not a chance in hell.
 
1:51 PM
why not?
 
I'd spend longer dicking around with the VM than I would on the whole rest of the game jam.
 
what?
wait what.
 
@BartekBanachewicz did you use an IDE or something?
 
getting VMs for other OSes does not justify the time investment for this kind of jam.
 
1:52 PM
what is he talking about somone plz translate
 
user3010322
Do you remember the Great Puppy Ubuntu Conundrum?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix yeah, vim.
 
it's a lot easier to just ask robot to please build on Linux with GCC and upload the binary somewhere
 
uh no
deploying a vm takes like 5 minutes tops
 
Apple doesn't want people using Mac OS on VM, I did it anyways ... thanks to the great internet ...
 
1:53 PM
hah
try an hour just to download the image.
 
leave it for the night?
jam is in 11 days
 
mawning
 
er, I need to sleep during the night.
sickness, you know?
 
really, you're just making up problems now
 
and my family use the internets during the day.
 
1:53 PM
In any case, porting is not mandatory. Portable stuff is more impressive, though.
 
user3010322
std::transform( pixel.data( ), pixel.data_end( ),
clampedpixel.data(),
Fur::color_limits<rgba::value_type>::clamp<rgba::value_type> );
 
user3010322
It finally works!
 
@DeadMG you are supposed to leave the PC on, you don't have to be awake, silly
 
About Jam, I thought I would set the environment up beforehand ... including the graphics ... if I get around to it that is ... using the 5 hours for game logic
 
user3010322
This is a lot of work just to apply "clamp" u.u;
 
1:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The first implies the second.
 
Vagrant base boxes are under 1GB
 
@DeadMG what. noise?
 
@ThePhD this is neat
 
@CatPlusPlus Welcome to the swamp.
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth Is it?
 
1:54 PM
Okey people chip in we're sending a DVD with a linux VM to Puppy
 
@BartekBanachewicz And light. My mobo has a light on it. I don't know why.
 
@ThePhD yes it is
 
And you just have to download it once, and then you can deploy VMs willy nilly
 
@BartekBanachewicz I actually don't possess a DVD drive.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I guess my confusion stems from this: ghc.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime/wiki/PolymorphicComponents i.e., how is that different?
 
1:55 PM
headdesk
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah... but I don't want to deploy VMs. That would imply wanting to spend time on Linux.
which I don't.
 
@DeadMG just to run the games of others
 
@ThePhD Why all the duplicate template arguments?
 
It's literally vagrant init precise64, vagrant ssh, run the program
 
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
really, you're just making up problems now
 
user3010322
1:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes rgba changes based on what real is defined as for the raytracer.
 
I just checked, precise64 box is 300MB unpacked
 
What should we do, if anything, with questions that have been spammed across multiple forums, eg:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21690263/ending-all-threads-when-the-first-succeeds-in-gcc-c
I want to close it as duplicate and because it pisses me off, but it has no answer:(
 
user3010322
The underlying item of rgba is RGBA<T> or whatever.
 
@ThePhD Is it somehow in the type of pixel?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly- for a few minutes of a few terrible games (not that my own won't be terrible), hours of dicking around with VMs is not a justifiable investment.
 
1:56 PM
If I use the 5 hours to make an Android game & produce an APK file, how can people run it without an Android phone?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Erm. You've lost me a bit. o_o
 
@DeadMG yeah you know 5 minutes of my discussion just to let you vote on others' games was a waste of my time either
 
Why would you want to target Android willingly
 
If @CatPlusPlus ran for SO moderator, his argument would go something like this: "I want to be a mod for SO because you're all terrible and this site is terrible and I want to end this reign of terribleness for once and for all. Yours Truly, Cat."
 
@ThePhD What's the type of pixel? Does it involve this rgba thing somewhow?
 
1:57 PM
if you don't want to run other games then don't.
simple.
 
Or its value_type.
 
Android currently dominates the smart phone market if you have not noticed
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes pixel is a const rgba&
 
Why would you want to target smart phone market willingly
 
In general, no binaries required, and if someone uses interpreted language, source is a perfectly fine entry.
 
1:58 PM
struct clamp {
    template <typename T>
    Result operator()(T t) { the_real_clamp(t); }
};
 
@CatPlusPlus It's a common delusional state where devs think there's easy money to be made. There must be some psycho. name for it.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes That makes sense, I suppose.
 
std::transform( pixel.data( ), pixel.data_end( ), clampedpixel.data(), clamp());
 
why not, I have already paid for the entry fee, I can have 100 apps on the play store
 
Polymorphic functors, FTW.
 
user3010322
1:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, right.
 
I wanted to do Android once, I am so happy I stayed away.
 
user3010322
But I couldn't do that with an overload set. =/
 
user3010322
Why not? D:
 
@MartinJames but... but... THE BIRD!
 
here we go again with constructor overloads... does a variadic constructor take precedence over all other overloads of the constructor, or am I doing something wrong?
 
user3010322
1:59 PM
Goddamnit C++.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Flap off.
 
Also ... Java, but will try to see whether C++ can be used instead
 
@ThePhD you have to make the polymorphic functor object for now.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD remember why my proposal existed?
 
But seriously, aside from download (which is not that big), deploying a VM is 10 seconds and then you just run shit on it
 
user3010322
1:59 PM
@Xeo Oh.... right. =[
 
user3010322
I hate C++ sometimes. ;~;
 

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