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3:00 PM
We're seven, though, so "Enterprise-class" is totally worth it sorta mandatory.
 
we have optical networks here at work
 
And I'm allergic to cables.
 
@BartekBanachewicz fyi I'm not discussing this with you any further because a) you're shit at discussing anything and b) that "I know better what you want than you do" gimmick is getting boring
Just fyi
 
Symptoms: headbutting the floor, destruction of hardware by elementary physics.
 
@CatPlusPlus I was just laughing at you openly
 
3:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes but you're a robot! how can you not like cables!
 
that's different than "I know better" gimmick
 
Yeah you're not very good at it
But keep practicin'
 
it's kinda hard to laugh at someone over the internet chat
 
@melak47 Because of the symptoms described above?
 
I'm sure you're just misinterpreting the symptoms
 
3:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes A secret: you can pin cables to the ceiling :ssh:
 
@CatPlusPlus I was talking about cables in general, though.
 
You're bad at organising them, yes, I got that
 
Not gonna pin my headphones to the ceiling.
 
:v
It could work
 
3:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus Nope. I'm just good at causing them to fuck up.
 
I bet that's how cat's ceiling looks like
 
CABLES DONT KILL PEOPLE
 
CATS DO
 
THEY KILL ROBOTS
 
OMG
WHAT NOW?
 
3:05 PM
In other news; I got the git directory filter repo transplant submodule thingy working;
 
You're just stringing keywords together, bot
 
Stringing is why cables are evil.
 
I had an idea to make a custom bridge between the wired network and wireless network that bombarded the wireless side with retransmits until it gets an acknowledgement from the wireless client
 
well while we're at it the cheap router from my ISP is wreaking shit
 
3:09 PM
gives you an idea how much faith I have in wireless doesn't it :D
 
@doug65536 802.11 have ack frames by default
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure, probably some nice polite system that keeps retransmits to an absolute minumum no doubt
 
I used to be bad with cables when I used them, but now that I got used to no-cables, I can only imagine the nightmare.
 
Ell
virgin are about to release their new router which will be fastest in uk woop
 
Cisco or gtfo
I'd rather have a dumb modem than a half-smart router :v
 
3:11 PM
Oh god, what have I done.
 
heheh
I was familiar with the concept already, but you summarized it nicely
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sudo find / -name '*.cpp' -delete ?
 
I wasn't exactly sure how you'd apply that to SCons, is all
 
Huh, I seem to have forgotten to talk to you lot in a while.
 
3:13 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit we still love you
hm
I wonder if someone wrote a Haskell binding to nanoVG already
 
Arrg, I wish we could name bases.
 
what bases?
 
Base classes.
 
I'm missing something, aint' I?
Also why is this video in Japanese. No not the floppy drives video
 
c++1y will have a way of iterating filesystem entries right? nevermind
 
3:18 PM
This clang thing is fucking complex.
How do I everything
 
@Purrformance you mean use the compiler? its UI is identical to gcc
 
No the API
 
Xeo
wow, the floppy drive dude is good
 
ah, thought you meant that. you really mean LLVM then I guess
 
Ell
@doug65536 clang is the c++ and c library/tools utilising llvm
 
3:27 PM
@Xeo yeah, one of the better stepper motor songs on youtube for sure
 
I'll just change my nick to Jon Skeet again and run for mod.
 
Xeo
@doug65536 he has a lot more
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ouch
 
Xeo
god I love Bad Apple: youtube.com/watch?v=hkZbAJHeu9w
 
@Xeo Wow! That's impressive. I wonder how long they had to look to find 16 floppy drives that all still worked. :-)
 
3:34 PM
> Win32/BadApple.Gen Very harmful from floppy drive.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin he does videos with 8 floppies all the time, it seems. he started out with 3 and the imperial march
 
What's the "speed of the system"? — Purrformance 9 mins ago
It means " the speed of OS(operating system)" — user3297730 3 mins ago
Thank you OP.
 
lol
 
hm, i once bought "FInal fantasy" movie, but it was not real, just animation. :-( 4shared.com/mp3/NjekKSLg/final_fantasy_vii_music_-_figh.htm
 
3:44 PM
^ just for comparison (to the flappy drives)
 
afternoon
 
btw @EtiennedeMartel Intel Atom passed ES 3.0 certs too
@Purrformance :D
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf If you're talking about Spirits Within, then, well, it also wasn't a very good film.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's not that bad
 
@EtiennedeMartel i don't remember exact name
 
3:46 PM
> Quelle belle idée de réconcilier des enfants avec des chats d un refuge . Peut être seront ils plus sensibles aux animaux lorsqu ils seront adultes.
... So nice when people don't just /enjoy/ something, but they have to enjoy it for moralistic gain
 
@sehe Oui il manque des apostrophes, quelle horreur !
 
Ça aussi
 
@BartekBanachewicz all your base(s)
 
@doug65536 Actually, it does keep retransmits (as such) fairly minimal, by using forward error correction--basically transmitting with quite a bit of redundancy, so many errors are corrected without a re-transmit. This does mean, however, that actual throughput is around half the raw data rate. For example, 802.11g is normally quoted as 54 Mbps, but actually only transfers around 20-25 Mbps, even with a computer and access point only a few inches apart.
 
> See the header file nanovg.h for API reference.
 
3:47 PM
@sehe like ... going to the opera? the only opera i've been able to listen to was Queen's "A night at the opera" (or whaever it was called)
 
That's just snob
Relatively harmless
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel I'd guess Advent Children
 
so, enjoy "for moralistic gain"?
 
That's not moralist, hein? That's more like "elitist"
 
hmm, balls.
I really don't want to have to have incomplete types :(
 
3:51 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I've accidentally witnessed an opera that I liked. Poulenc's "Dialogues de Carmelites" was quite impressive. Mostly for the music. But that's alright of course
I've been /in/ operas though. That's a different story
 
so now i have to stop "a night at..." i just started it okay :-)
 
well, yeah
 
@Xeo That was a bit better, but even then it's basically all flash and no substance.
(Also, Cloud can go suck a lamppost)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the text is also fucking random
 
3:54 PM
got all excited cos I am on my laptop with Firefox and thought therefore I had some UNICODE BANANA viewing coming my way
glug glug glug 🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌 — Lightness Races in Orbit 23 secs ago
but, no, this won't render them either. >.<
 
The Robot's starred message about an email to the company about an unjust downvote reminds me of something that happened to my sister years ago. At one time she participated on a Usenet poetry newsgroup. Somebody had gotten nasty on the newsgroup, so she replied with a poem. Said somebody was so pissed they looked up where she worked, traveled there, and showed up in person to complain. As a result, she immediately quit Usenet and everything else that involved anything like public posting.
 
@JerryCoffin she didn't have a shotgun then?
 
@sehe Nice. It sends shivers up and down my spine.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf He didn't say she didn't kill the bastard after quitting Usenet!
 
3:56 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You need a font with it somewhere.
 
@sehe Poulenc is good
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf 'fraid not. For better or worse, I can't quite imagine her with a shotgun.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes used to work :( (I think)
 
JBL
@JerryCoffin Ugh...
 
/me installs Symbola
 
Xeo
3:57 PM
@JerryCoffin wtf
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks, I'll look that up.
 
@Xeo Yeah--it was ugly. Some people's kids...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, but I'm pretty sure she didn't.
 
YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS I CAN NOW SEE UNICODE BANANAS
 
3:59 PM
116.7k closevotes woo
 
@JerryCoffin That's fucked up
 
-.
that's huge and weird and has "BUTTHURT" taking up most of my 40" screen — NSFW would be nice
thanks
 
you have a 40" screen at work?
 
wish I had 40"
 
4:03 PM
@Borgleader It was/is. Though it wasn't as dramatic, my brother Mike doesn't seem to post much publicly any more either. Oh, and if you think I know a lot, Mike...pretty much puts me to shame.
 
@JerryCoffin the hell?
 
@JerryCoffin stop making us all feel small and unimportant
 
@JerryCoffin That's possible? o.O Does he have an eidetic memory or something?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just based on what I've seen you post here, it seems pretty apparent that although you've gone for more depth in (mostly) a single area, you have no reason to feel small or unimportant at all.
 
@BartekBanachewicz SO stopped working long ago, when India got internet, specifically.
 
4:07 PM
Even though you have 6GB of RAM the stack is probably only a few MB. — Borgleader 9 secs ago
Is this pedant proof? :P
 
@Borgleader We both have pretty good memories, but he has quite a bit more formal education than I do and I'm pretty sure he reads more as well.
 
@Borgleader Well the default stack size is 2MB under Windows IIRC
 
Ah good
 
@Borgleader Given the "probably", yeah, pretty much.
 
@JerryCoffin eh, I still need to learn a lot before I'll be able to say "here, this is something I've done that's good and improved some people's coding"
 
4:11 PM
@JerryCoffin Shhh you're gonna make him feel good about himself, this is not the place for that!
 
@Purrformance Oops -- sorry! :-)
 
What's wrong with using REGEX for *something* to <em>something</em> substitutions again?
 
gah it's so long till the next jam
too long
 
@Jefffrey Nothing. As long as you don't try to parse abitrarily-nested structures, it's fine.
 
@Jefffrey A couple of problems. First, you have to decide on a regex that properly determines whether a particular * should translate to a <em> or a </em>. then you have to be sure you don't have nesting.
 
Xeo
4:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I might actually not be able to participate, now that I think about it. I should update the doodle, since I got a Dark Heresy session again on the 23rd.
 
@Xeo whaanoooo
:(
 
@Xeo can't we do 22nd?
 
Xeo
oh wait, it's already decided for the 22nd?
then it's ok
 
@Xeo yeah it's 22
phew
If we get ~20 people it will be super cool
but then again I think that working in small teams could be funny too.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are there 20 regulars?
 
Xeo
4:18 PM
50% will drop out again anywahs :/
 
only the fittest survive
@Purrformance well, "regulars"
@Xeo still 50% of 20 is 10 games :3
 
Xeo
@Purrformance I'm pretty sure, yes. Not that all of them would participate
 
JBL
Rest assured I'll be there. Crappy code, but i'll be there.
 
@JBL I guess Robot might want to defend his "worst code" award :)
 
JBL
@BartekBanachewicz Unofficial competition for "Worst code" award it is, then
 
4:22 PM
we are unofficially competing for every possible award
also it doesn't necessarily have to be "worst code"
I think we might change awards every jam, to keep things interesting
 
@Borgleader yes
 
JBL
@BartekBanachewicz Teehee
 
@JBL you gonna write in C++?
 
JBL
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I know mostly C++.
And Java, but I pretend not to :(
 
I am wondering about rolling a die at the start of the contest
 
4:24 PM
@BartekBanachewicz "Best Purrformance"
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I'd just decide awards on interesting points in the projects. like with the 'best readme' award, to highlightthings like that.
 
@Xeo yeah that's something I had in mind too
"for loop with most iterations"
 
template <typename T, EnableIf<WillBeFalse<T>> = 0, EnableIf<WillHardError<T>> = 0>
 
JBL
"Code with the most fucked up flow control" (hehe....)
 
"if loop with least iterations"
 
4:25 PM
Will it blend SFINAE?
 
@Purrformance recursive loops best loops
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think so, SFINAE is done in lexical order IIRC
 
@Purrformance Now that's fucked up. Everybody knows it should be "if loop with fewest iterations." :-)
 
JBL
Oh. The "Before it was cool award": only goto and longjmp.
 
@JerryCoffin i not english very better
 
4:27 PM
BTW @rightfold IORef syntax is... meh. I've tried them out but it all starts to feel like ugly imperative code. With state transformer it was more obvious. //cc @Xeo
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz State + lenses. ♥
 
eh, lenses are a separate thing
 
Xeo
State feels kinda unusable without them, as soon as you have composite state
 
Gosh, why are you using IORefs?
That's what happens when you listen to rightfold.
 
Hi
 
Xeo
4:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should've kept 'listing', as a pun on right fold
 
JBL
Hi.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Apparently, techybyte has found me a sponsor
 
@BartekBanachewicz You wouldn't happen to have an example of bezier curves using tessellation shaders lying around would you?
 
@Purrformance This was based on something George Burns said about how to be funny: something like: "I let the audience in on the joke. Then I double cross 'em."
 
Question for you guys. I'm looking for a new router. Got any suggestions?
 
@EtiennedeMartel What are your requirements
 
Xeo
I've always been happy with my ISP-issued ones
 
@JerryCoffin Now I have to google for George Burns, are you happy
 
Hihihihi.
 
evening
 
4:33 PM
@TimTimmy woo
@Borgleader you for real? :D
 
@Purrformance I don't want to have to reboot it every N days because it fucks up while I'm playing LoL.
 
@Purrformance If I'm responsible for exposing somebody to George Burns, then yes I can be happy because I've done something good today.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Cisco E3500
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ok so you don't care about purrformance and stuff
 
4:34 PM
I've got one similar to this, quite happy with it.
 
@Borgleader what are you writing?
 
@Purrformance Well, I do care a bit. I still want to be able to stream 60 FPS 1080p footage of me sucking hard at a game.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Then this
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
@Purrformance Those erectiles :P
 
4:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm trying stuff out :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Did some testing on routers for work a while back. Of those I looked at (admittedly not even close to all that are available) I'd probably pick Asus (with Netgear as probably the second choice, but that's probably at least partly because I've used a Netgear router for quite a while so I'm accustomed to its UI).
 
Asus is probably the best right now but also the most expensive
 
Ell
I wrote up my problem finally! notehub.org/2014/2/11/… But still not much closer to a nice solution!
 
@BartoszKP Montreaaaaal.
 
TP-Link is good and cheap and you can put OpenWRT on them.
 
4:38 PM
@Purrformance cisco cisco cisco
 
@BartekBanachewicz no no no
 
We have a Asus at home.
 
I'm pretty sure using clang for what I'm doing is overkill
Parse the whole fucking universe just to change one keyword. Okay.
 
@EtiennedeMartel sorry, don't get it. what about Montreal?
 
@BartoszKP It's the town he lives in
Le village, que dis-je, le hameau.
 
4:41 PM
@BartoszKP Last panel.
I can be chauvinistic at times.
 
That comic is too long, what's the joke
 
@Ell what the hell
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz which bit? :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel ok : D do you really have Art factory there? : d
 
Ell
Or is the whole thing just f#$!&£d up?
 
4:42 PM
@BartoszKP We do make pretentious art, amongst other things.
 
@Ell well first of all YAML
 
@CatPlusPlus it's rather a satire, so you'd need to read it, sorry ;0
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I could convert it to json if you really wished :3
 
and then uh
 
@EtiennedeMartel we also make pretentious people... cough Phil Fish cough ;)
 
4:43 PM
@EtiennedeMartel pretentious? that sounds interesting :0
 
@Ell unclear what you are asking
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Right. I don't think I actually stated the problem >.<
Give me another week :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cisco's "core" routers are great (though IOS should be named PITA). Their "Linksys under the Cisco name" routers are fairly mediocre, IMO (unless you plan to immediately replace their firmware).
 
Xeo
so YAML is Bartek's Hate of the Week, this time?
 
Ell
@Xeo yarp
 
user3010322
4:45 PM
I have had Netgear, Linksys, and straight Cisco routers, as well as Belkin.
 
user3010322
The Cisco branded ones lasted long and rarely gave problems. I brought one with me to college to jack into the wall and create my own WAN so I didn't have to deal with Uni logins.
 
@Xeo bah, pretty much everyone except of Ell agrees it's pretty godawful
 
It's fine
 
no it's not.
 
JBL
Here we go.
 
4:47 PM
Did someone $ mv Bartek everyone?
 
As for routers, I have E2000
 
god fucking how can you like this format it's just so goddamn terrible
 
Xeo
so far, I've only seen Rapptz and Bartek complain
 
Haven't had any problems
 
@Xeo and sehe
 
4:48 PM
@JerryCoffin oky /cc @Purrformance
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz so yeah, you might want to reevaluate your definiton of 'pretty much everyone'
 
apparently 802.11ac WiFi is faster than Gbe
@Xeo that's even more sad
 
It's very sad
I'm literally crying
 
it has too many magic characters for my taste ;0
 
4:53 PM
eh well the fact that you can just write JSON is somewhat fixing it
 
@BartekBanachewicz In theory, yes. With 8x8 MIMO it can theoretically hit close to 7 gigabits/second. You're not likely to see that happen in reality very often though. Among other things, would require 8 antennas in your laptop (or whatever), but I don't know of many that even have 4 antennas.
 
which reminds me that I have to rewrite my dynmap config into JSON proper
 
Ell
I personally find YAML much less noisy and more clear than JSON
 
you also find Ruby nice
 
Xeo
... JSON is a subset of YAML
 
4:54 PM
@Ell lolwut?
 
:|
 
@Ell That's objectively bullshit.
It makes no sense at all.
 
Ell
Oh. :(
 
4:55 PM
whistles
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz you have no reason to whistle
 
@JerryCoffin iPad Air has dual antennas for 450+450 802.11n IIRC. But yeah, 7Gb/s is kinda theoretical only
 
heh
I wrote all the code for tuple construction, but simply never added the possibility to the overload set.
how silly
 
@Xeo is casual whistling forbidden now?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes At all? :(
 
4:56 PM
@BartekBanachewicz whistling is only acceptable, when the person sailed around cape horn by themselves
 
Ell
Why does it make no sense? because JSON is a subset?
I mean I prefer the... conventional? yaml version to json
 
JSON is not a subset of YAML what the fuck are you people smoking
 
@CatPlusPlus well it is
 
> JSON syntax is a subset of YAML version 1.2, which was promulgated with the express purpose of bringing YAML "into compliance with JSON as an official subset".
 
Ell
4:58 PM
gah I can't think of the word >.<
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
 
> My dog has never seen to England
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where did you get that from
 
@CatPlusPlus wikipedia and YAML Spec
 
Ell
4:59 PM
I just mean that I prefer the former to the latter
person:
  name: elliot
  age: 18
  loungename: ell

{person: {
  name: 'elliot',
  age: 18,
  loungename: 'ell'
}}
 

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