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sbi
12:00 PM
@Xeo This kid's mother told me she'd have to swap shifts with someone, if I couldn't go, so I promised her a month ago that I would do this. And with this particular ex-wife, there's way more at risk than with missing a C++ live event.
 
Xeo
When I was in school, my parents weren't required to show up, unless it was something serious.
 
@sbi There should be a movie about you :)
 
Xeo
@sbi heh
 
sbi
Yesterday there was a pre-elaction-rally event of the social democrats in Pankow, right in town, 5mins from my apartment, and since their top candidate is one of our most-helpful supporters, we were asked if we would speak on stage. I warned him that we wouldn't only say nice things about them (they've been in Berlin's government for a decade, IIRC, and got us into this mess), but that wouldn't stop them from wanting us on stage.
So two of us were on stage with him and Berlin's party chief, and criticized them while they tried to convince the audience that they're great. :-o Got us a lot of applause from the audience, plus an invitation from the party's chief. And the candidate (who we couldn't help but had to praise for all he did for us) actually thanked us. Thus is the hard work of lobbying.
 
@sbi Certainly not. It's in flight. I think I passed the assessment. Had a 'get-to-know' session with two lead devs (front end/back end). That took... 2.5 hours :| Not sure if good sign
I have a feeling they will want to make me an offer. However, that's the real problem for me... Decision time! Should I drop my employer of 15+ years who's gonna keep providing me a stable basis, instead going after my "youngster" passion C++ with a small "startup" (since 2005...) with a much less predictable future and ditto development cycles...
 
sbi
12:04 PM
@StackedCrooked Also, there was a team of the ARD (one of 2 German public TV channels) there yesterday, which provided me with one of those over-the-air microphones, filmed me on stage, and took an interview afterwards. Their plan is to make a documentation about people in our house, and I am one of the candidates they consider. "You'd make a perfect candidate if your social situation weren't so hard to explain." :-/ I pointed them at one of my neighbors, a single mother of a small kid. We'll see.
 
It's tough. I'm naturally inclined to stay put. But it's been 15+ years. Which is... funny-loyal since it's arguably not the best fit company for me
@sbi lol. Yeah. You're not an easy person to portrait. And you didn't even tell them about the lounge :<
 
When I was in high school, many many years ago, the head teacher divided sides for the parents of 'good students' and 'bad students' in a parents' meeting. My mother was almost in tears, when she was seated in the 'bad students' quarter
 
sbi
@sehe That sounds like hard-work interviewing. I never did anything like that.
@Xeo There's no requirement, but it's always helpful to be up to date (and known well by the teacher).
 
Probably because I was the bottom 20% acadamically that year in high school
 
Xeo
Sure
 
12:06 PM
@sbi Oh, nothing is hard work. I never considered interviewing hard. It just didn't 'stop' at the obligatory questions. Which is pretty much what I like to see (after all, you will want to discuss things at length with these people in the future)
 
Funny thing is that, I had a scholarship and ended up graduaded with honours from one of the most prestigious universities here.
 
And the assessment was a first. A positive one, I might add. Not that it's conclusive, but it tells me they are serious about hiring skilled people and try to do what they can to get some bearing there
 
sbi
@sehe I am a father of many kids, who is in danger to be forced out of his apartment by a publicly owned housing company — that makes for a good human story. But then I am twice divorced, and in complex financial tangles because of that, which aren't easy to explain. But you have to explain that, because otherwise people would why a well-earning IT guy says he can't pay his rent...
 
I guess I always had 'better' things to do in high school
 
@sbi You can usually also download them a couple of days later.
 
12:08 PM
Yup. Too hard. Attention-span spoiler.
 
sbi
@sehe So what did you mean when you wrote "assessment"? I thought that's when you are besides a bunch of other victims competing for the company's interest.
 
@sbi How did you story about the Mieterhöhung pan out?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Hence me speaking of missing a "love event".
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Why do you think I run around from appointment to appointment, meeting Berlin's party leaders on stage? :-/
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you get my invitation mail?
 
12:11 PM
Hey @sbi what do you plan to read in the near future? Asking for no particular reason ;)
 
sbi
:)
 
Xeo
The ape's getting even older?
 
sbi
Um.
 
Yes, I did. I planned to reply tonight when I get home.
 
everyone knows you can't get rich from your labour time
 
sbi
12:12 PM
@Xeo No, it's different for me. I get younger every year. In a decade or two I'll look down my nose on you, from a handsome 18yo body, while you already begin to bend from age.
 
@sbi Sorry, only just caught up reading.
 
you get rich from either good investment, inheritance or 'human resources'
 
Xeo
heh
 
@sbi It is. The assessment is individual though. They used codingames.com and they review the submissions. I believe there are 2 more candidates
 
sbi
Issat "codin games" or "coding ames"?
 
12:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@sbi That's the clever domain name, yes
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I somewhat enjoyed "Long Earth". I heard rumors of a successor...
 
@sbi long long earth;?
 
sbi
@sehe It's probably short for "Vicodin Games".
 
@sbi The Pratchett / Baxter book? Yeah there's a sequel called The Long War
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yeah, only since I don't have a signed copy, it's unsigned long long.
 
12:16 PM
many poor ex-wives are bad financial decisions
many ex-girlfriends with no children may not be
 
sbi
@TheForestAndtheTrees You insensitive brat! I did want to be surprised!
 
@sbi Likely
 
Xeo
ow
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 TIL: never marry
 
@FredOverflow unless your ex-wives are richer of course
 
sbi
12:17 PM
@FredOverflow If you have kids together, there's no difference. (Also, it's not like I made a decision to acquire ex-wives.)
 
@sbi Interesting. I thought I had decided not buy that sequel, hehe (I didn't enjoy The Long Earth much).
 
Xeo
Time to make my PC cry out in pain again.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, if you won't buy it, you might need to find something else to bring. :)
 
@sbi Btw, I didn't open a dictionary to understand it, nor did I feed said e-mail through a translation service!
 
Xeo
@sbi When's it gonna be?
 
sbi
12:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, that's really good!
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn, I totally forgot to make you speak German on Friday!
 
@Xeo I did!
I said a couple of numbers!
 
Xeo
Wait, when?
lol
Right
 
sbi
@Xeo The feast is on Saturday.
You were in Berlin last weekend, @Xeo, right? I couldn't make time, unfortunately, so I never even called.
 
Xeo
And some of the names in Masquarade
@sbi Yea
 
12:21 PM
Right.
 
Xeo
That sounded pretty good btw
 
sbi
@Xeo Oh, you met? I am pretty jelly.
 
Berlin has the highest amount of German stack overflowers, right? Maybe I should move there :)
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow it has... 3 I think?
Wait, that would be Loungers
 
12:22 PM
@FredOverflow Where you at?
 
@FredOverflow may I ask why?
 
@FredOverflow I'm not German, btw.
 
berlin.push_back(std::move(fred));
 
Xeo
1 hour ago, by FredOverflow
@Xeo Hamburg
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are now ;)
 
Xeo
12:22 PM
@sbi Yeah
 
@FredOverflow stackoverflow, area insufficient to move fred
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Last I heard, you even drink beer. That certainly qualifies you.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I don't know, in case Hamburg becomes too boring, or in case I don't find an exciting job.
 
@sbi Not often, and very picky.
 
Xeo
Some boardgame evening at a guy's birthday party. Talking pretty much only English all evening.
 
12:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What beer do you like?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're female. So what? Still a German.
 
@Xeo Because most are not German, or because you guys are nerds?
 
Xeo
@sbi He didn't get drunk on Friday, btw. Or atleast, not much.
OTOH, he only drank a glass of pina colada.
 
@FredOverflow I like this one upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/… and some others I didn't memorise.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow There's also the issue of Hamburg's winter weather being even more dreadful than Berlin's.
 
12:24 PM
@sbi BREAKING NEWS: Spanish robot becomes German girl!
 
@Xeo It had very little rum.
 
sbi
<painful silence>
@FredOverflow He's Portuguese.
 
Next you're gonna tell me he's not a robot?
 
Xeo
Right, yours was prepared by that girl (Anne?).
 
sbi
12:25 PM
@Xeo Yeah, he learns to out up with a glass or two. Another indication of his cultural transition.
 
She hates me.
 
Xeo
lol, why?
 
Wait, you guys drink beer together? My mates don't even know the difference between cdecl and fastcall :(
 
Because he skimps on expensive alcohol :v
 
sbi
Oh wait, you were to the dinner in that bookstore? Now I am really jelly.
 
12:26 PM
Because I played the Lannisters in GoT. (She doesn't really hate me; I'm just joking)
@sbi Nah.
2 mins ago, by Xeo
Some boardgame evening at a guy's birthday party. Talking pretty much only English all evening.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Former (or actually even both)
 
I like speaking English. I find it much easier to approach new people in English than in German.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, I didn't know what to make of that posting when it flashed by.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow I always fear I'll get stuck on some vocabulary that I forgot on the spot :(
 
@Xeo Hey, that's what happens with my German!
 
Xeo
12:28 PM
Much easier to deal with on the internet.
 
Except it actually happens and it's not just fear.
And I didn't forget it; I never actually knew it.
 
Xeo
lol
 
@sbi When are you going again?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes When I have the time? I have kids to care for this Friday, will be kayaking next Friday, and have kids again the Friday after that. That leaves Sept, 27th. Sigh.
 
12:31 PM
:/
 
Xeo
i.e., sometime next year
Time is moving slowly today :s
 
Xeo
lol
 
That reminds me, I still haven't sent my review notes to Scott :S
 
@Xeo Who cares? Just explain it with other words.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. My. Scott!
 
sbi
12:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What were those for?
 
@sbi Effective C++11/14. First two draft chapters (on auto and rvalue refs, respectively).
About 100 pages of corner case description.
Oooh, wait, you might laugh at the joke I made weeks ago!
 
sbi
Oh. He didn't even ask me if I want to review that. I might have whined too much about not having time. :)
 
Aug 30 at 13:29, by R. Martinho Fernandes
We need a language designed by Pierson's puppeteers. That would be perfect because it would have no corner cases.
Is that as bad as I think?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes ROTFLSHSTC!
 
@CatPlusPlus how's your alternative chat coming along?
 
12:37 PM
Why do we need an alternative chat?
 
More hipster.
 
Less Stack Overflow.
 
@sbi Is that good or bad?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Depends on whether you're the cat or not.
We need a language designed by Pierson's puppeteers. That would have no corner cases. — Martinho Fernandes http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/11530437#11530437
Anyway, I should go back to my code review. See you!
 
god damn it, I changed my password, and so begins a week of wrong password ¬_¬
 
12:44 PM
Why did you change it?
 
@sbi hey, how (home) things go?
 
@thecoshman See above.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have a bios password, and a domain password. BIOS one had to be changed, so changed my domain one to keep it instep
 
Hmm, I never password protect my BIOSes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't get a choice :(
 
12:45 PM
Also, I won't lose this opportunity to say "fuck UEFI".
@thecoshman Wait, there's a corporate policy on BIOS passwords?
 
@sbi That's been a while:
Oct 1 '12 at 22:44, by sbi
@Ell ROTFLSHSTC!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, it's not a BIOS password as such... some sort of low level encryption login thingy... before Windows starts, but after BIOS (I think)
 
Google agrees you own that acronym btw. I'd patent it before disclosing it's hidden meaning
 
but yes, corporate policy
 
12:47 PM
polivy. nom nom nom
 
@sehe Something about cats.
 
obviously. they typed it
 
Xeo
"Rolling over the floor laughing so hard (that it) scares the cat"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that good stuff yeah?
@sehe sh you, it's nothing but bullshit and redtape
 
@Xeo I knew he would find it funny!
Also, it appears Amazon stole my order.
 
Xeo
12:50 PM
wat
 
I had a book in pre-order that was supposed to release in July and now when I go look at my order history the order doesn't exist.
I have the confirmation e-mail to prove I wasn't dreaming.
Book never shipped either.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you paid yet?
 
@FredOverflow Yes.
 
ouch
 
Also have bank logs.
 
12:52 PM
What book was it?
 
Gonna go medieval on their ass support e-mail.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Amazon support is SUPERB. So, expect to be surprised.
 
user1804599
Ducky Shine 3 keyboard is awesome.
 
Couldn't they find a better picture of Herb?
 
12:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I once had a complete collector's CD box-set (~129 cd) re-shipped without (a) proof (b) additional charge because it inexplicably turned up late.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Find the eyes.
 
I ended up receiving both at more or less the same time. So, I returned one. But, still
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's pretty nice.
 
Yes, a pretty nice abomination. Nice because it doesn't eat you whole. Only your eyes.
 
user1804599
12:55 PM
A friend has it.
 
Hello, world!
 
@ÓlafurWaage OMG HE STILL LIVES
 
@not-rightfold so it must be nice
 
I do :) Hello
 
user1804599
12:55 PM
@sehe ?
 
I had forgotten about you strange lot of folk
 
user1804599
@ÓlafurWaage Well said; Lounge<C++> is the world.
 
Or atleast a subset
 
user1804599
superset
 
@not-rightfold It seemed to be your argument supporting the awesomeness. I think it looks hideous. It's a stimulus overload.
 
user1804599
12:56 PM
@sehe No, it's not my argument.
 
@ÓlafurWaage You knever new me :/
 
user1804599
Wtf, how would that be an argument.
 
And i feel lesser for not doing so
 
@not-rightfold It came from you.
 
@not-rightfold (pssst. I sometimes debit lines in a more or less facetious motion)
 
12:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who is he?
 
Because an argument was required/missing.
Context! Claims of awesomeness require convincing. Especially when it's basically scrap plastic with too many LEDs
 
@FredOverflow Ólafur? He used to hang around in the Lounge sometime around when I started hanging around in the Lounge.
I REMEMBER
 
Back in the day
Also old SO nerd.
 
2010?
 
user1804599
@sehe The keys feel very nice.
 
12:57 PM
@sehe Scrap LEDs with too little plastic.
 
@not-rightfold Now we're talking. So, you learn to blind typing (because it's just tooo hideous to look at :))
 
I can need to pick a keyboard for work.
 
I still like my cheapish Trust
 
Why does everyone always ask me the least important question when it comes to picking one: "English or German?" :(
 
I've got a shedfull of old ones. If my keyboard dies, I just get another old one.
 
user1804599
12:59 PM
@sehe It looks pretty nice too.
 
This one has \ in a weird place.
 
Apr 27 '12 at 6:44, by sehe
@ScottW I did the same last year, and finally got a nice keyboard - which was actually one of the less expensive ones. (Don't recall) It is a Trust 16121-02
 
user1804599
You can turn off the LEDs if you don't like them.
 
brb, i've got a struct to teach
 
@ÓlafurWaage You teach structs how to use programmers?
 
user1804599
1:00 PM
Or you can enable snake mode. :lol:
 
That should be the first question when picking a keyboard: "Does it have keys in weird places?"
 
yup, and I dont hide anything
 
user1804599
` must be next to shift.
 
@ÓlafurWaage Oooooh. You should be selling tickets at the door
 
Single-row Return is unacceptable.
 
1:00 PM
they do, its called tuition
 
@not-rightfold It's not about the layout (mappings) but the physical location/sizes!
 
I don't want my structs using me - I would have to join a union.
 
Single-row Numpad+ too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok. I don't mind that
@R.MartinhoFernandes Never once seen that before (except laptops)
 
@sehe I do. I keep hitting \ all the time.
 
1:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now that you mention it. It does happen. But in reality, <esc>o is possibly a bad habit
 
@sehe Keyboard designers have been getting quite creative in recent years.
@sehe ?
 
I tend to leave insert mode at the first occasion. Which is, after my thought ends. And apparently when I have a larger thought/stretch to type, I don't hit the wrong keys. Something with focus, perhaps.
 
I don't leave insert mode if I want to type more than one line :S (like typing an if thingy or some shit)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If they whine, initiate chargeback.
 
That sounds silly.
 
1:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus so, you interested in my crappy OEM box?
 
Or even template blah blah\nclass blah
 
@melak47 Network? Cost of two HDDs?
 
@sehe It gets worse, actually. Where you usually have + occupying two rows, this one has + and -, one on each row. Where - would sit normally there's some "win lock" crap.
 
@CatPlusPlus 25/5 mbits, and depends on the size?
 
I don't even know what it is supposed to do.
On this Linux box it seems to open a new Firefox window.
 
1:07 PM
ARGH SO SICK
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "win lock" (presumably means: inhibit WINNING)
@DeadMG Ohai
 
@melak47 Eh. I'd rather use non-consumer hardware in a DC. :p
 
hi.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Media key bind fail
 
@CatPlusPlus just as well. I just noticed there's not graphics card in it either :D
 
1:15 PM
@melak47 Is the box empty?
 
@MartinJames it has everything except gfx and hdds :p
 
@melak47 Hehe - everything except the two most expensive peripherals. You just trying to avoid scrappage costs? :)
 
I transplanted the hdds, and technically It does have a graphics card - but it's kind of broken and unstable :p
 
JBL
1:33 PM
Little doubt there, but something like 3*my_const (literal op const variable) will be evaluated at compile time, right ?
 
@JBL depends. Is it const, prvalue, or constexpr? :)
Oh, "literal op" supposedly means prvalue. Like 42.
 
@JBL In many cases, it's gotta be.
 
JBL
@DeadMG I suppose that as usual it depends on the compiler (or is it affected by something else ?). I see no reasons why it shouldn't be.
 
hello
 
JBL
@sehe Yeah, as in "integer literal + an operand", etc.
 
1:46 PM
@JBL Because Standard.
 
People walking around the office with weird things on their heads.
 
@JBL that's what c++11 now aptly calls: constexpr
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tin foil?
 
@sehe Rubber and electrodes.
 
Xeo
So, I just went through a paper relating Applicative, Monad and Arrow and now my head hurts :(
 
@sehe Not really.
 
1:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uhoh. Where do you ... work?
 
Xeo
@sehe Robot-factory
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes constepxr expression?
 
@sehe Our product is an EEG device. People are testing ergonomics now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Ell
I made the mistake of buying a dodgy keyboard
it has a single column backspace :(
 
1:54 PM
@Ell I don't know why they do that. It's very annoying.
 
Ell
I assumed nobody would be that stupid >.<
 
Never assume a lack of stupidity.
 
JBL
@sehe I'm still a bit ignorant about it (and recently found while playing with this that MSVC doesn't support it...)
 
I can't do keyboards without a numpad
 
@JBL You ... had to find out? One day you'll learn to assume
@Chemistpp What do you need the numpad for? Writing in hex?
 
1:56 PM
@Chemistpp When I got mine, my numpad had scancodes and vks for the row of numbers.
 
@sehe Data input into spreadsheets
 
JBL
@sehe I know I know. (Still, workplace environment... :/)
 
Ell
Who needs a keyboard when you have voice control!
 
@Ell The Devil is designing keyboards itself these days.
@Ell Mind control!
 
Ell
or dictation
 
1:58 PM
55 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sehe Keyboard designers have been getting quite creative in recent years.
 
Ell
yes mind control would be great
 
@chris lolwut. So broke.
 
JBL
@Ell Mute persons would prefer the keyboard I suppose.
 
@chris Judging from what people are wearing around here in the office, that's rather crappy.
 
1:58 PM
@JBL or if I don't want people to know what I'm looking up.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Still quite worth it for mind control.
 

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