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10:00 PM
oh. no unique_ptr variation shown. I'm disappoint
 
@CatPlusPlus I LOVE YOU
 
This is Hungarian notation to the max:
 
I think I'm just gonna go with the SendPlayerPos function and separate the class into parts if it ever becomes a problem
 
void f(const shared_ptr<X>& sp, ...) // really? sp?!
 
10:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus So, how's LoungeChat going? Haven't really been following stuff much.
 
I took the next week off, gonna do something then.
 
WHY IS IT SO FUCKING HOT HERE????
 
I don't think I could really work on the fundamentals. Probably just a bunch of features here and there once the groundwork is done.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm not sure you should be asking the internet that
 
@TonyTheLion because you expend excess energy SHOUTING and it is dissipated into thermal energy, which is a waste product really
 
10:02 PM
Also, today I learned I was gonna get that raise in november.
SO FAR AWAY.
 
@TonyTheLion did you try yahoo answers though?
 
I got my January raise yesterday. :v
 
@LaylConway lol
 
(That's next January)
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
 
@CatPlusPlus No. But now yes.
 
10:03 PM
rise -> raise?
 
shuttup
 
I am really enjoying the result of restructuring this project to allow for better unit tests, even found and fixed a bug in the process and improved compile time!
 
STL Y U TALK SO FAST????
 
what->what
 
@TonyTheLion to avoid being livetweeted too much; it takes away from the live audience interaction
 
10:04 PM
@LaylConway Your SendWhatever should be free functions, not part of the class interface.
(Hint they don't need any persistent state)
 
> all fully constructed members and base objects will be destroyed in the reverse order of their destruction [sic]
> I need to blast through this at about 30% lightspeed
 
struct socket { void send(packet); }; void send_whatever(socket& s, int x, int y) { auto packet = build_a_packet(x, y); s.send(packet); } or whatever
 
@sehe I liked this one. :D
Ah, cool trick with delegating constructors.
 
I rather not make the Player object responsible for passing the socket to the network layer though
 
@Tuntuni "trick". I kinda baulk at people talking about C++ idioms as "tricks"
 
10:07 PM
Socket is the network layer. Stop being bad at design.
Gamedevs I swear
 
This is not a trick. The vector-swap idiom is a trick.
 
make_unique is C++14 right?
 
yup
 
Right used the wrong terms but still it would require the caller of the function to keep track of the socket object and pass it to the function
 
@sehe I knew someone was going to mention this. :p Yeah, you're right.
 
10:08 PM
Ugh I have projects to finish, code to write, and absolutely no strength to do anything.
 
@Borgleader Yuppers.
 
Ok, I'm watching STL later
 
Which might be a problem especially if I were to split the server up into separate parts and some packets go to the one and the others go to the other
 
@LaylConway And you think that if you make them member functions, that would magically be not needed anymore?
 
Too much talking and I'm tired
 
10:09 PM
What parts
 
@TonyTheLion I find it very interesting. I love STL. :)
 
@Tuntuni I do too, but when I'm tired, he talks too fast
 
Of course it will still be needed but I can just get the RakNet peer object and the server's GUID from that class rather then having to pass it
 
> "Or using the delegating constructors trick, like I showed you" [STL]
... wokay :/ you're in good company
 
@sehe MUAHAHAHAH. I'm writing that down. :D
 
10:10 PM
@LaylConway What
 
I can't deal with all the rambling, also I'm not really following anywmore
@CatPlusPlus Why do you bother?
 
@TonyTheLion Heh. :D
 
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Ugh I have projects to finish, code to write, and absolutely no strength to do anything.
 
@CatPlusPlus Why not have a fun conversation with me instead?
@CatPlusPlus heh
 
I don't want to talk about sex, it makes me sad.
 
10:11 PM
> Exceptions on the x64 platform are typically implemented with a table-based approach: they have zero overhead in the non-throwing case. Use them.
 
@CatPlusPlus I didn't say anything about sex. :/
Also, I don't want to talk about sex
 
@CatPlusPlus You don't need to talk during sex :/
 
@CatPlusPlus a quick copy from my project, this is what I need to call to send data:
m_Peer->Send(&bs, HIGH_PRIORITY, RELIABLE, 0, packet->guid, false);
 
pointers everwhere
go away
@sehe Are you transcribing this?
 
@TonyTheLion bits :/ That was in preparation of the tweet
 
10:12 PM
100011110001
^ bits
 
@TonyTheLion niet zo bits!
 
lol
I thought you were going to bed like an hour ago?
what happened?
 
me too
@TonyTheLion the usual
 
user1804599
@LaylConway Your code is bad and you should feel bad.
 
10:13 PM
@sehe you got stuck on the Internet
@not-rightfold You said it. :)
 
@not-rightfold But! It is HIGH_PRIORITY. And RELIABLE!
 
@not-rightfold I sure am entirely open to hear how I can improve it.
 
aahhahahahah
 
@TonyTheLion yathink?
 
user1804599
@LaylConway Use less pointers.
 
10:14 PM
@sehe I know, because I saw it.
 
less_pointer<T>
@TonyTheLion Turning of webcam
 
I almost never use pointers, this case m_Peer is a pointer to something in the library I use
 
This might be not work-safe (if you're working in a horrible place) or brain-safe youtube.com/watch?v=e4QYkrp44us
 
user1804599
template<typename T>
using no_pointer<T> = T;
 
Ell
Hi again
 
10:15 PM
Which I suspect is a singleton... which is bad and I know that but this library is kinda nice
 
Ell
you know I don't think Tony is that sex driven after all
 
@CatPlusPlus The link on the right to Female Genital Cutting. I'm not clicking that
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Wonderful.
 
this ^
oh YT
 
10:16 PM
Just watch it you wusses
 
Did you watch it?
 
user1804599
Desert culture.
 
It doesn't make any goddamn sense at all anyway.
Yes.
 
I have 40% less brain now.
 
10:16 PM
I'm not watching it
 
WATCH IT
 
shaddap with your brockoly
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
I am listening to wonderful music.
 
> Meanwhile in Finland.
lol
 
10:18 PM
I watched it ...
 
user1804599
The land of æwesomeness.
 
Meh ..
 
peek peek potato peek peek peak peek peak
 
get out
 
user1804599
Ballmer potato.
 
10:19 PM
hahahahha
 
user1804599
Ballmer peek.
 
I think Cat likes potatoes
 
I really need to improve my STL skills to a number higher then 0...
 
Just this inkling I have
 
user1804599
I ate potatoes today.
 
user1804599
10:20 PM
In the form of rösti.
 
user1804599
It was damn del-fucking-icious.
 
fuck you
I fear insomnia
 
Ell
You know what
 
I know what
your mum
 
He knows what
LOL
 
10:21 PM
I'm Spartacus.
 
Ell
Dauphinoise potatoes are so tasty
 
> Even the Standardization Committee got burned
lol
BURN!
 
They are
 
Ell
I could eat some right now
 
10:22 PM
@Tuntuni BURN MOTHERFUCKER BURN!!!
 
@TonyTheLion #rekt
Who's Jonathan?
 
Ell
I hate cravings
 
user1804599
Dutch cuisine is best cuisine.
 
...
 
10:24 PM
:laffo: "frequently bought together"
 
@CatPlusPlus Inspect element -> Delete img url. So useful
 
user1804599
I want metworst.
 
@Borgleader Opera: Shift-I
 
user1804599
With jong belegen cheese.
 
Xeo
10:25 PM
> It was sprinkled with rvalue-reference magic dust!
 
> Hey you stupid user: don't do that
 
> Hey, stupid user
lol
 
"Stupid user" is redundant.
2
 
Xeo
transform(f1, l1, f2, out, []max); // ♥
 
user1804599
Man I haven't had a semolina pudding since a long time.
 
Ell
10:28 PM
Salmonella pudding
 
user1804599
Asparagus pudding.
 
user1804599
:puke:
 
Ell
My charger sent keep up with my tablet battery usage
Whaaat fresh asparagus is to die for!
 
Xeo
I solved that problem! :D
 
10:29 PM
^ that's useful
 
Ell
@xeo which?
 
Xeo
@Ell The overloaded max thing
 
> Nobody reads the standard headers for fun. I'm disappointed.
 
Xeo
I do. :<
 
STL will never know. :'(
E-mail him. :D
 
Xeo
10:31 PM
I should mail him about my []proposal
 
Ell
 
user1804599
I want babi panggang and fried rice disk.
 
Ell
Where is your proposal?
 
Ell
And I want donner kebab again
 
Xeo
10:32 PM
'Donner'? Thunder?
 
Ell
I wonder if I'll be able to resist temptation tomorrow
 
user1804599
döner
 
Ell
Oops. Doner
 
@Xeo what meeting are you planning on bringing that to?
 
user1804599
Broodje döner met extra knoflooksaus en minder sla.
 
Xeo
10:34 PM
@je4d Dunno, had no time to further work on that and I have no clue if I'll be able to attend a meeting in the near future (the next ones are in the USA)
 
@Xeo you totally should. I think it jells well with his transparent less/greater/etc
 
@Xeo Make a kickstarter to fund a trip to the US ;)
 
@not-rightfold Bread with kebab with extra garlic sauce and less lettuce?
 
Xeo
@sehe It would kinda replace those, actually. :>
 
user1804599
@LaylConway jazeker
 
Xeo
10:35 PM
But first I need to give it another revision - if I ever get to that. :<
 
@Xeo which is what I mean. He wanted to have more automatic-sauce with them. You want even more general awesome-sauce
 
> Not OK: operators
> You cannot pass operator
You've fixed another problem!
:D
 
Xeo
 
Kinda impolite to talk a language many people don't speak in a public chatroom imho.
 
@not-rightfold wacht even. Nederlanders epidemie?
 
user1804599
10:35 PM
Damn, I want a kapsalon now.
 
user1804599
That shit is tasty.
 
user1804599
sehe breng mij eens naar een dönerzaak.
 
Xeo
I want a Caipirinha
 
@LaylConway internet chatroom :3 who cares =p
 
user1804599
I want a girlfriend.
 
10:36 PM
@not-rightfold okee, kom maar hier. dan gaan we
 
@LaylConway not really. lrn2googletranslate :P
 
@not-rightfold coming right up
 
user1804599
@sehe :effort:
 
Tunt, ever played EvE? So many russians...
 
@Borgleader lol'd
@LaylConway Not EvE but I find LOTS of them on many other games.
Their names usually have "RUS" in them lol
by usually i mean always
 
user1804599
10:37 PM
You know.
 
user1804599
Maybe I should go out once.
 
user1804599
I've never done that before.
 
Xeo
sort(v.begin(), v.end(), [](const Elem& l, const Elem& r){ return l > r; });
sort(v.begin(), v.end(), greater<Elem>());
sort(v.begin(), v.end(), greater<>());
sort(v.begin(), v.end(), [](>)); // kekeke
 
lolol
 
And by always you mean 100% of Russians that put "RUS" in their Internet nick names put "RUS" in their Internet nick names.
 
10:38 PM
I just think that by talking a different language you obfuscate your speech and make people feel left out or even insulted behind their back, requiring them to use google translate just to understand what is going on is just a bit needlessly irritating when it's just as easy to just talk English.
 
@Xeo I'd suspect []operator > to potentially be standard material
 
user1804599
Cat why is chat not done yet.
 
Xeo
@sehe No dot there
Unless you want to force member function
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
@Xeo [](>)...wow, you must really hate parser writers
 
Xeo
10:39 PM
[]operator> or the short-hand [](>)
 
@Xeo ah. subtle
 
Xeo
@je4d Pff, it should be fine.
 
It's more fun to insult people in language they do understand anyway.
 
@Xeo How dirty~
 
@je4d actually, that's easy: It can't possibly be something else
 
10:39 PM
@Xeo Famous last words.
 
Xeo
[]([]) and [](()) kinda suck, though :D
 
user1804599
++operator and operator++ instead of operator++ and operator++(int).
 
std::vector<uint32_t> v;
std::sort(v.begin(), v.end(), greater<uint32_t>());
 
Ell
@not-rightfold we should go out and get doner meat some time
 
@Xeo your proposal addresses this type repetition right?
 
Xeo
10:40 PM
[]operator[] // Tie-fighter!
7
 
user1804599
@Ell wel een kapsalon want broodjes döner ben ik onderhand al beu.
 
@Xeo therefor, []operator() makes a bit more sense.
 
Ell
and you should definitely get a girlfriend
 
Xeo
@sehe Which is why I have both.
 
Woah ideone got upgraded.
3
Or updated at least.
 
Xeo
10:40 PM
The short-hand is an extension-proposal to my actual proposal anyways.
 
user1804599
[<]
 
@chris that looks neat
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold I was thinking about that
 
user1804599
Me too.
 
@sehe but I expect it'll complicate error diagnosis throughout the language
 
Ell
10:41 PM
@not-rightfold does that mean "well a capsule wants to brood doner, but on the other hand, a bee."
 
user1804599
@Ell no.
 
Xeo
@sehe They got bugged that Coliru was stealing all their traffic with its editor!
 
user1804599
It means "but only if it's a kapsalon; I'm getting tired of döner rolls."
 
@chris Oh wow, looks cool.
 
@je4d oh, totally
 
10:42 PM
// cuteZOMBIES
// fluffyHUNGRY
// kittensEVIL
:D
 
user1804599
@chris It's a downgrade.
 
user1804599
It defaults to fucking Java.
 
Ell
Yeah my guess was a phonetic translation xF
 
@not-rightfold ahahahaha
 
kapsalon = hairdresser's
 
10:43 PM
@not-rightfold It remembers your last choice.
 
@Griwes "evil kittens". how could he :(
 
@Tuntuni And cute zombies. :D
 
@Griwes :'(
 
user1804599
@Griwes Java wasn't my last choice; I just cleared all browser history an hour ago.
 
@not-rightfold your fault
 
user1804599
10:43 PM
Including cookies and databases.
 
user1804599
So it's the default.
 
user1804599
@sehe fault?
 
vOv
 
> Do You See What I See
 
user1804599
@sehe een bord met döner en haar.
 
10:44 PM
wow slide 50
He's really fast.
 
Xeo
30% Lightspeed
 
user1804599
He's really fat.
 
Oh derp, I searched CString and wondered why the pictures were there.
 
@Xeo hahah
 
Xeo
That's what he said!
 
@Xeo Yeah, it makes me laugh :D
 
user1804599
 
@Griwes Someone tweet "30% lightspeed" :D
 
That's the lowest one.
On a standard tuning violin :/
 
Xeo
</gc-rant>
 
10:48 PM
> Skynet-level compiler
 
haha
 
I am wondering whether I misheard this... :D
 
@Griwes you're ahead of my stream
 
Xeo
@Griwes Nope
 
Ell
Turing violin?
 
10:49 PM
@not-rightfold This is gonna revolutionize C++.
 
> Compilers cannot feel pain, but you can!
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold Yeah, I have some problem with that for []operator++/[]operator-- :/
 
> Compilers cannot enjoy programming, but you can!
1 question LOL
> Too much information
he laughs
hah!
 
> The machine cannot cry, but you can.
:D
 
Ell
[]operator--(int)
[]operator(int)--
Is what you currently propose?
 
10:51 PM
@Ell nope
 
Xeo
swap the ++ and (int) on the second one, and yeah
 
user1804599
@Xeo how about - and +?
 
Xeo
unary vs binary
that's not a problem
 
user1804599
Ah.
 
user1804599
How do you deal with overloads?
 
10:51 PM
@Xeo wait, now you include the operator keyword?
 
Xeo
@sehe You can
 
@not-rightfold that's the whole point.Polymorphic lambda + perfect forwarding
 
Xeo
[](<op>) is just the short-hand form of []operator<op>
 
user1804599
Oh wait the integral argument is implicit with -- and ++.
 
Xeo
mh
 
10:52 PM
Sigh. I have tons of free time today, and I seem to have wasted half of it and gotten no code to show :(
 
user1804599
operator++[] and []operator++ :D
 
Xeo
lol
 
decltype(auto)
 
He's done.
 
@Xeo ah. I can't see the variant without operator keyword ever becoming c++ standard (it would clash with the 'verbosity' level of the rest of the language)
 
10:52 PM
Well that was fast.
 
@FredOverflow awesome
 
i thought they said the break was going to be 30 min... i guess he went over or something
 
Xeo
12 mins ago, by Xeo
The short-hand is an extension-proposal to my actual proposal anyways.
 
I thought people would have more questions
 
@Borgleader "theoretically 10 minutes"
 
Xeo
10:53 PM
Since I actually expect it not to pass
I'd really like it, though
 
@Xeo I kinda missed that
 
@Borgleader 30% lightspeed
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
@Xeo I bet. But this is going to cause friction and possibly limit future extensibility
 
Xeo
"Why isn't suffix 's' reserved for string_view? :("
 
user1804599
10:54 PM
You could define it only for prefix ++ and if people want postfix ++ they'd need to do it another way.
 
@A.H. They did. But they had 1 minute
 
because the rest of the committee overruled LEWG.
 
Why didn't they answer some of the online questions if there was only 1 question?
 
in short.
 
Xeo
The rest of the committee sucks!
(I knew that, but I wanted STL to address it on camera)
 
10:54 PM
ah
 
Xeo
Anyways, I guess I'll skip the compiler talk and head to bed.
 
I don't believe he was in the room when LEWG discussed changing s from string to string_view
 
Back to VeryBadPornMusic@GoingNative2013
 
Xeo
Might be interesting for you, though
 
10:55 PM
I missed the first 44 slides of "Don't Help the Compiler"
 
@Xeo who's doing that one?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG But atleast someone who was there would be in the audience, right?
 
@sehe Jim Radigan
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun You can obviously just watch it from the beginning?
 
@DeadMG LEWG?
 
10:55 PM
@Tuntuni Never heard of
 
@Xeo Yeah- me.
 
Xeo
Library Evolution Working Group
 
@Tuntuni LEWD Group
 
@sehe Me neither. :/
 
@Tuntuni The people who decide on new library features.
 
Xeo
10:55 PM
@DeadMG You're at Going Native?
 
@sehe That's what I read it as the first time.
 
@Griwes Later on maybe. I'm streaming it using that link sehe gave
 
@Xeo Oh, no.
 
Ell
@deadmg did you get my message about wide?
 
@Tuntuni Wait is he the "new" auto-vectorizing team dev at MSVC?
 
Xeo
10:56 PM
Then you're not "in the audience" :P
 
there were only like, 10 people in the room.
so IDK about the probability of having one of them in the audience
@Ell No?
 
Xeo
Anyways, C++ committee sucks. Off to sleep.
 
@sehe No idea. This is the first time I saw his name.
 
Ell
Okay. Not a biggy, I just pulled and tried to compile. Missing a #include <utility > in Optional.h I think
 
Xeo
Puppy is bad at managing his includes.
 
user1804599
10:57 PM
Hey guys.
 
Ell
there was something else, and also wouldn't compile because of some incomplete type stuff, but I can't remember
 
> such as C++11, C++14 , and C++17

I'll still be in college when C++17 comes out :D
 
Ell
@xeo it was robot this time
 
1 hour ago, by sehe
Night all
 
user1804599
I'm also going to sleep because I am already three hours too late.
 
Xeo
10:58 PM
@Ell Why Robot?
Did he contribute to Wide?
 
@Xeo Ah, the usual.
 
@not-rightfold s/to/too/
 
@sehe I guess it wasn't a dream after all, huh?
 
user1804599
@sehe slakken overal
 
user1804599
Change your avatar to a picture of a snail.
 
10:59 PM
@Ell Nothing that doesn't crop up whenever I don't compile with GCC for a little while. Should be some trivial fixes, relatively speaking. It's the linking that's the problem because I don't understand what the problem is.
 
user1804599
GŒDBYĒ
 
Ell
@xeo he wrote this anyway bitbucket.org/DeadMG/wide/src/…
 
Xeo
Anyways, tell me if the compiler talk was interesting, tomorrow.
 

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