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4:00 PM
it started ?
 
@SAM Like Flash or Silverlight.
 
Does this link work?
 
I'm also attempting to live-convert to mp4 so I can watch it later (after dinner)
 
Xeo
starting!
 
AWESOME
> Gentlemen, please welcome Charles Torre!
 
4:01 PM
NOw at ~1Mb/s
 
What's with his cheeks? He looks like a chipmunk :)
 
BJAAAAARNE
 
I want subtitles
)
 
> Without further ado, I wanna introduce our keynote speaker
YAY
 
SAM
no they are enabled... @FredOverflow
 
4:02 PM
it hasn't startedyet !
 
Xeo
@sehe 2mbps
 
C++84 looks weird.
 
@Griwes Have you seen C++84 yet?
Wow, the video plugin uses 90% of my CPU.
 
I don't know C++11. There are already talking about C++14)
 
SAM
@FredOverflow I have Flash player 11,8,800,94 installed you?
 
4:05 PM
C++14 is just a minor update.
 
No video on my android tablet
 
Xeo
"minor"
 
@SAM I have no idea, just the default that came with Xubuntu.
 
@Xeo It's a major minor update.
 
@SAM try to download Chrome may be??
 
SAM
4:06 PM
I have chrome
but same prob
there
 
Try Ubuntu.
 
SAM
did it start?
 
@FredOverflow If you discount the crap, yes.
 
@SAM 5 minutes ago
 
SAM
holy SHIT :( :( :( :(
 
4:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What crap? C++14 isn't going to have concepts, is it?
 
Slides subtext: "Going naive"
 
9 mins ago, by Fanael
@FredOverflow GoingNaïve?
 
@SAM I can't watch too( boss(
 
SAM
@Qwerty No
 
Oh cool, we can ask questions.
 
4:09 PM
@SAM I can just listen)))
 
SAM
Its working Its working Its working Its working Its working !!!! :) :):):):):):):):) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
YYYYYEEEEESSS!!!!
 
What did you do?
 
SAM
I dunnow it started automatically
 
Du you live 10 light minutes from the USA?
 
did he dance with a tambourine ?
may be)
 
SAM
4:10 PM
Music is going on
 
Wait, let me guess: you pressed F5, and now it works?
 
SAM
Hey how much time is that music??
 
@FredOverflow No, I really mean crap. Like VLAs and dynarray.
 
@FredOverflow may be he is from Estonia?
there are too slow
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Conclusion: the committee contains idiots.
 
4:12 PM
@Fanael Captain.
 
user1804599
Hii jewels.
 
user784668
@Griwes What the fuck do you want, private?
 
> If you understand int and vector, you understand C++
 
@Fanael Obvious.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you don't like VLAs, just don't use them.
 
user1804599
4:15 PM
@FredOverflow Other people use them.
 
user784668
@not-rightfold Buy an M4.
 
user1804599
M4 is FOSS, why would I buy it?
 
The term "constructor" was invented by Bjarne?
 
user784668
@not-rightfold M4, not m4.
 
@FredOverflow He constructed it.
 
He extracted the first chapter into its own book? :)
 
Violating NVI idiom! :P
 
@FredOverflow You mean I don't write generic code any more ever?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, don't.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
4:17 PM
> M4
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Exactly.
 
Yay, Bjarne bashing against Garbage Collection :)
 
user784668
@not-rightfold They can't spell. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow ugh, GN?
 
user1804599
Is it GN of last year repeated?
 
4:19 PM
Why don't you check it out before you bash it?
 
Bjarne can be such a stupid ass.
2
 
everybody can
 
TIL C++ needs a sugar daddy
 
user1804599
C++ needs a slap in the face.
 
a more 'complete' stdlib would be nice though
 
4:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes From what I've heard, he's quite a fan of the golden hammer.
 
> I can say it's a horrible mouthful because I invented it.
:D
 
Xeo
He mentioned so often how RAII is a horrible name
 
c vs c++? class vs struc? what's better?
 
Xeo
Java
 
user784668
@Alexxx PHP
 
4:25 PM
@Alexxx Whitespace.
 
@Alexxx Your mom.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, he is.
 
Reminds me of @not-rightfold in a way.
 
Jun 14 at 15:11, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Meh, Bjarne is an ass whenever he talks about not-C++.
 
user784668
> look I'm a java programmer! ☺
 
user1804599
4:27 PM
@Alexxx Go.
 
user784668
@not-rightfold Iron oxide.
 
@Fanael You missed the smiley.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes What languages other than Java does he ever talk so bad about?
 
@not-rightfold Urgh.
 
@Xeo Sometimes he doesn't name them, but if it's not C++, he's consistent in his attitude.
 
4:29 PM
@Xeo Any C++-like language with garbage collection.
Like C#.
I remember reading somewhere that he doesn't like C# because he feels the world doesn't need another proprietary language.
That's ideology-driven thinking right there.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oooh, that makes total sense.
 
Everyone has ideologies.
 
user784668
Fuck ideologies.
 
@Xeo at 85Mb now (mp4)
 
@StackedCrooked The problem is when you spit on a working solution because it goes against your faith or something.
(inb4 Godwin point)
 
4:32 PM
His diction is clear. I understand almost all =)
 
What pointer, i see no pointer, hehehe
 
He's really preaching to the choir now.
 
Yup
And its very similar to a talk he did a while back
 
@StackedCrooked The video will be available in the future for others, though.
 
Yeah.
 
4:36 PM
> tricks to return an object cheaply
a.k.a. move semantics? xD
 
posted on September 04, 2013 by Herb Sutter

You will want to watch Chandler Carruth’s talk tomorrow at GoingNative. It will be livestreamed here starting at 2:30pm North American Pacific time. (See timeanddate.com for other time zones.) Watch for the Ghostbusters reference. That is all. Filed under: Uncategorized

 
Fuck you Feeds.
 
We are little kids
 
Xeo
Poor Feeds, only being hated for doing his job
 
user1804599
I hope his graphs are still there.
 
Xeo
4:38 PM
Pff, I want to see Bjarne implement a lazy range library.
 
Do his arguments against garbage collection (not all resources are memory) also apply for STM?
 
no garbage collection. I agree
 
What arguments?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Having a bad day? :)
 
Xeo
His bad day started at the same time that Bjarne started talking.
 
4:41 PM
What a coincidence.
 
Back. what did i miss?
 
Everything
 
GoingNative is over.
 
user784668
@Borgleader 42
 
Oh im in time for the end of bjarne's keynote? sweet
 
user784668
4:44 PM
@StackedCrooked Ya, it's GoingNaive now.
 
Ok. no more Bjarne today. I'm going to go at home)))
 
Ugh, find_all returns a vector :/
 
Xeo
Can you imagine if C++ had auto from the beginning? :/
 
user784668
Bjarne should lrn2output iterators.
 
Xeo
ew
 
4:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, it should return dynarray.
 
@Xeo constexpr from the beginning wouldve been nice too imo, less need for templates
 
His example is a textbook example for lazy ranges :S
 
Xeo
hehe
 
@Borgleader Wut?
I don't think I'll ever understand how constexpr makes templates less needed.
 
user1804599
 
Xeo
4:46 PM
If you wanted constexpr instead of a template, chances are you've written Dumb TMP™
 
user1804599
Bjarne is going naive.
 
user784668
47 mins ago, by Fanael
@FredOverflow GoingNaïve?
 
correct me if im wrong, if you want something like compile time fibonacci (dumb example) you can either do a template or constexpr. but constexpr is more readable
 
D has GC and universal base class. Alexandrescu must be biting his nails now.
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Xeo
If you wanted constexpr instead of a template, chances are you've written Dumb TMP™
Perfect example of Dumb TMP™
 
4:47 PM
@Fanael sorry, GC
 
@Borgleader Who the fuck wants compile-time Fibonacci :'(
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked D is great.
 
@not-rightfold Brillant
 
Hmmm, tea.
 
Going Naive, using C++
 
4:48 PM
@not-rightfold Pleaaaaase tweet it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, maybe compile time conversion of radians to degrees and vice-versa? idk, i can see a few places where constexpr couldve been used instead of a templat
 
user1804599
@sehe döne
 
@Borgleader That still sounds stupid :S Compilers have been doing constant folding for years.
 
LOL "an array in c is a datatype thats so dumb that it doesnt know how many elements its got"
brilliant
 
And yes, GCC can fold constants over inlining boundaries.
There are a few corner cases where you might want to compute some integer for use as a template parameter, but let's face it, that doesn't warrant a feature as complex as constexpr (ask compiler writers).
 
4:52 PM
As C++ compilers get better at performance, C++ programmers get progressively worse.
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RT @davidcapello: "Programs don't run on mathematical abstractions, they run on hardware" .- Bjarne Stroustrup #GoingNative2013
 
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Q: What are the differences between struct and class in C++

palm3DThis question was already asked in the context of C#/.Net. Now I'd like to learn the differences between a struct and a class in C++. Please discuss the technical differences as well as reasons for choosing one or the other in OO design. I'll start with an obvious difference: If you don't spe...

 
Low level savages.
 
Cat++ has mastered the art of getting stars out of insulting programmers
 
STL stands for STL
 
user784668
(setq STL 'STL)
 
4:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Possibly, I'm just saying from a user's point of view, it's useful in some cases.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Implementing any feature is complex in a language as complex as C++.
 
user1804599
lol it got retweeted by meetingcpp.
 
I posted a question. Let's see if Bjarne has time to answer it :)
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow cool, they live update.
 
user1804599
No need to refresh the page!
 
4:56 PM
C++ really is an elaborate troll.
 
Oh, there are only two questions as of now? Don't ask any more questions, I really want mine to make it :D
 
Should ask him why he doesn't search for "Århus" instead, hehe.
2
 
He is asking for a lot of work on adding algo's to the STL and more standard libraries, I didn't even know they were looking for that work to be done.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
do it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
Of course, it will be ignored, because it's uncomfortable and doesn't fit the hype and marketing buzz.
 
4:58 PM
@ÓlafurWaage Did you miss the C++ renaissance? C++ even has a website now ;)
 
Xeo
> You said we don't need GC with all these modern C++ features. But what about circular references? It is very hard to avoid such problem in systems with many frameworks.
GCFish
lol
 
std::weak_ptr
 
I knew about that site, actually check it pretty often
 
user784668
@Xeo Don't make circular references.
 
Still all this stuff is new to me
 
4:58 PM
I see they still persistently go with "refcounting/auto variables are not GC" angle.
 
@Fanael You sound like STL.
 
Oh gawd, his find_if interface is horrible
It takes a container and returns one iterator.
 

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