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7:00 PM
There are always limits.
 
@TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheGirl INT_MIN to INT_MAX or something
 
std::numeric_limits.
 
std::numeric_limits<int>::min() to std::numeric_limits<int>::max()
 
user1804599
Meh too much typing, just use INT_MIN and INT_MAX.
 
@CatPlusPlus but he wants a more general and conceptual answer
(whatever that might be)
 
7:04 PM
General Mayo, in the bathroom.
 
@CatPlusPlus ?!
 
@CatPlusPlus That's any male teenager.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I find the current talk extremely sleep-inducing.
 
He could be a little more lively but I find it quite interesting
 
@FredOverflow I was just wondering if he's gone over his time limit because it seems like he's been talking for a really long time by now.
 
7:06 PM
@not-rightfold Just be a man and use the non-portable 0x80000000 and 0x7fffffff ;)
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked He has 75mins
 
@FredOverflow Yup. I'm waiting for STL to show up.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Meh, most of it is old news to me
 
@Tuntuni I think Andrei is next.
 
Xeo
The external interface stuff etc
@FredOverflow ya
 
7:07 PM
I hope haskell syntax makes sense eventually.
 
@FredOverflow You mean, he's too modest? I have a feeling the Robot would like this style. Very much.
 
@FredOverflow Mhm. That one should be fun too. But yeah, I'm cheering for STL. :D
 
@Pawnguy7 It already does.
 
@Xeo Yep. To you ... I'm not you :(
 
@CatPlusPlus Mayonaise?
 
7:07 PM
To me, I mean.
 
Looking forward to Andrei.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
 
user1804599
int x{};
std::random_device device;
for (auto i = 0; i < 1000000; ++i) {
    auto y = device();
    int z{};
    std::memcpy(&z, &y, sizeof(x));
    if (z < x) x = z;
}
// x is now the smallest integer
 
Xeo
GAAAH, BUFFERING
 
Sean, we get it, now get out.
 
7:07 PM
Is Sean finished?
 
@StackedCrooked this :(
@TonyTheLion Nope.
 
I missed the beginning so I stopped it
 
Xeo
I think he's done now
 
Almost
 
@TonyTheLion I went to watch Bjarne. :D I was at school so I couldn't watch it.
 
Xeo
7:08 PM
The beginning with the algorithms was interesting
 
@CatPlusPlus It's delicious.
 
Ok, I'll try not to get disturbed and watch the next one
 
"A few minutes for a Q&A"
 
Q/A time now
 
yaaay, almost done :D
 
Ell
7:09 PM
@FredOverflow I think he's good
 
Xeo
He should write a value_ptr and use that instead
 
Ell
is that one which copies the underlying object on assign?
 
Xeo
value semantics on a pointer
aka deep copy / assign
 
Ell
right
 
@Xeo Hah, searching for it brought up robot's bitbucket. :D
 
7:13 PM
I survived the book store. Only bought two books for me!
 
What did you get?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a big achievement!
 
Redshirts and a beautiful copy of I, Robot
 
Does Berlin still have an old-fashionedly-good (nice) bookstore?
 
@sehe The one sbi took me to was nice.
 
7:15 PM
What do you mean that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The latter is smart, because it won't guilt you with more "I should read that" stress
@TonyTheLion Name?
 
Don't remember, but surely @sbi would remember??!
 
Yeah I got it because it's beautiful.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By contrast I mean, we lack them in Rotterdam area. The last 'big' one got increasingly commercialized and is basically... a dead environment now. Lots of book. Little life
 
Dussman?
It's where I came from.
 
@TonyTheLion Sean is done, it's the break now.
 
Not really old fashioned though
 
@Borgleader Yep, I'm on it.
 
Xeo
How long is the break? The timeline below doesn't say :/
 
using namespace std; lol
 
7:19 PM
@Xeo 60 min
 
@sehe I know this big one and the one where I have dinner on Fridays is a more cozy, familiar environment.
 
Sean 11:00AM to 12:15PM
Andrei 1:15PM to 2:30PM
 
Xeo
Wait, isn't Andrei inbetween?
 
Yup
I'm going to stay awake just to watch Stefan's talk.
 
@Xeo Oh, lol.
Ignore my statement.
 
Xeo
7:21 PM
haha
 
user1804599
 
Xeo
lol
 
SAM
hah look at the second last
 
So terrible, so hard, so boring.
 
Do you also get a video about VCC now?
 
7:22 PM
Programming is definitely not boring to me.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Yea
 
Yeah
 
I just watched it a few days ago...
accents lol
 
@StackedCrooked Hmmm, that's at 10:15pm here?
 
@Tuntuni Lavavej, presumably
 
@TonyTheLion yes
 
@sehe Yeah. Are there any other Stefans? :o
 
Stepan, methinks but he surely doesn't speak
 
@TonyTheLion Assuming you are in Belgium and not UK.
 
I'm going to watch it
 
7:24 PM
I'm going to watch your mother watch it.
 
@StackedCrooked I'm in the UK, so yes I gotta subtract one hour
@FredOverflow My mother has no idea about programming
so she's not watching it
 
@FredOverflow Watch it!
 
when does going native start?
 
lawl
 
7:24 PM
@bamboon It started already.
 
@bamboon 3.5 hours ago
 
Its long begun and almost over
 
crap
 
The 3rd talk is about to begin.
 
@TonyTheLion That's two hyperbolae :/
 
7:25 PM
how were the talks so far?
 
7 hours ago, by FredOverflow
@sbi Last year, the live stream allowed you to go back in time. So you can also start several hours later with Bjarne's keynote.
 
@FredOverflow thanks for the hint, I assume they will be put online anyway.
 
@sehe lol
 
@bamboon I'm currently at 93% of uploading a lofi version of the second talk downloads.sehe.nl/stackoverflow/GN2013_parent-sean.mp4
 
@sehe cool
 
7:28 PM
@bamboon expect pretty shitty quality, but it runs
 
^^
 
All that jizz jazz!
 
There is a question from @FredOverflow!
 
user1804599
@bamboon is it being discussed? :V
 
Xeo
7:31 PM
Ugh, what's with the VCC talk :(
 
@bamboon I was hoping Bjarne would address it...
 
user1804599
What time is it discussed at?
 
I don't know, I don't even know what that group of anonymous hackers is supposed be.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold It's not
 
@FredOverflow I thought they said they would answer online questions later, maybe tomorrow
 
user1804599
7:32 PM
Oh.
 
> Evil gamification would be the McDonalds monopoly game, which puts the most pieces on the food items that generate the most profit (and fatness in society). Good gamification is Stack Overflow, which puts emphasis on the things that make you a better programmer and communicator, while encouraging you to leave useful artifacts along the way as a trail of breadcrumbs for future travellers to learn from.
 
@Xeo sponsors be sponsors
 
@sehe Why is that?
 
user1804599
Showertime!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a hunch I have. Do you know the guy's talks?
 
7:34 PM
Nah.
 
You should very much consider watching Sean Parent's talk. Just saying
 
Is it available somewhere?
 
Xeo
You can go back in time in the stream!
 
If you buffered it.
 
Can we cut this VCC thing and get to andrei's talk already? =/
 
7:37 PM
If you can bear a bit of crappiness:
9 mins ago, by sehe
@bamboon I'm currently at 93% of uploading a lofi version of the second talk http://downloads.sehe.nl/stackoverflow/GN2013_parent-sean.mp4
 
Tehehe bear.
 
Can you leave up until tomorrow morning so I can pull it at work?
I'm going to sleep now.
 
@Borgleader The audience needs a break.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He has a way of reasoning about the C++ language that reminds me of the things you'd be saying. Also, his way of speaking is really ... calm. I think you'll like it. Better than, say, a Herb, Andrei.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I will. Expect crappy quality, so you might just wait for the C9 downloads to become available :/
 
Ell
Does anyone want to help me with a really basic bit of maths which for some reason I can't understand? :3
 
7:40 PM
@Ell The first part, maybe. The latter...
 
@Ell Addition? Multiplication?
 
@Ell 1 is neither prime nor compound.
 
@Ell Monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors.
 
♡ Calibre
 
7:42 PM
I've been having sleeping issues lately.
I keep waking up and not falling back to sleep.
 
Ell
How do I get from
(vΔt/r) ≈ (Δv/v)
to
(Δv/Δt) ≈ (v²/r)
 
Tehehe bear.
 
@TonyTheLion Happens to me all the time at work.
 
@StackedCrooked lol. I mean at night. :P
 
@TonyTheLion Happens to me all the time at work.
 
7:43 PM
@sehe Ok, thanks.
Good night.
 
@CatPlusPlus oh you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Night
@StackedCrooked lol
 
I slept 5hrs last night and maybe six the night before, interrupted sleep though
 
@Ell multiply out?
 
@TonyTheLion That's not that bad.
 
7:45 PM
Yea, by your standards, this is not bad, and actually its not that bad either by mine, the bad part is the interruptions. Normally I sleep in one stretch. I keep waking up here for whatever dumb and unknown reason.
 
As in bring dt to rhs and v to lhs
 
@Ell Multiply by v, divide by delta t.
 
Last night I kept dreaming about some piece of code that I just couldn't get right.
 
I had a dream about FBI agents raiding my house last night
and a few nights ago I dreamt about Obama.
 
> The name "Linux for Workgroups" follows such whimsical past Linux version names as "Pink Farting Weasel," "Killer Bat of Doom," "Erotic Pickled Herring," and "Jeff Thinks I Should Change This, But To What?"
 
7:48 PM
@StackedCrooked I found an off-by-one error once in my sleep. It was about pseudo-code I wrote the day before, and it turns out the error was real.
 
@TonyTheLion Did you buy a pressure cooker?
 
@FredOverflow nice
 
SAM
Andrei's time... :)
 
@sehe No. I don't really remember the content, I just remember it was something about FBI agents.
 
Xeo
Delicious Mojito
 
7:49 PM
@FredOverflow I recently woke up realizing I had done a Union before SymmetricalExceptWith, when it needed to be Intersect. I mailed my co-worker so I couldn't forget about it. I got pretty rididculed the next monday morning.
@TonyTheLion I mean IRL
 
Nope.
 
@xeo on weekday?
 
The reason I realized that bug must have been because it was the one part of the code we hadn't covered with tests
 
Xeo
Sure, it's just a single glass.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus Okay. You're right
 
Xeo
7:50 PM
That mostly consists of ice cubes
 
Ell
what the hell is wrong with me, I'm having giant brainfart
 
Looking at the pictures of the speakers of the past two talks it seems that C++ is a painful language to work with.
 
today in class
 
SAM
@Xeo How's your cold now...
 
"why do we need to learn binary"
 
Xeo
7:51 PM
Fine
 
@Xeo you probably gave it to me
 
SAM
good :)
 
@sehe how so?
 
ive been sneezing all day
@sehe you don't run a code coverage tool?
 
I meant @stackcrooked how so?
 
SAM
7:53 PM
Come on man when the music's gonna end???
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Because binary is by far the simplest numeric system there is?
 
@TemplateRex we didn't do TDD. And having a code coverage tool doesn't help you get the coverage. I knew we didn't cover that. I actually mentioned it to my coworker before asking him to complete the changeset
@SAM What music? :)
 
@Ell that's really basic man :)
you should remain silent and be ashamed for a while
 
Ell
@FredOverflow Surely Quater-imaginary is simpler! ;)
 
SAM
@sehe GN2013
 
7:54 PM
@StackedCrooked I don't even understand the question. Looks like physics.
 
@StackedCrooked lol yeah, i thought he was going to post something quite hard :p
 
@StackedCrooked Isn't that more or less his natural mode?
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I know. It's like when you forget to spell "hello" or something
 
@FredOverflow It's basic math with fractions.
 
@sehe nah i just love the education system: lets all just be lazy /s/lets/let's/
 
SAM
7:55 PM
@StackedCrooked Me?
 
If you want you can use pointers — wudzik 1 min ago
 
@sehe hehe
 
@TonyTheLion raw pointers = best idea
 
@SAM you too
 
7:55 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Mmm. More like taking a derivative or integrating back?
 
Ell
@FredOverflow It's part of the derivation for centripetal acceleration, but he's right in that it's super simple - I seem to have forgotten how to do any math over summer
how I even passed is a mystery.
 
@sehe more like learning is too hard for some people
 
SAM
@StackedCrooked :P Just kidding... :D
 
What on earth are you saying that to me for?
Oh I get it: your to lazy to reply-to specific message <troll/>
 
nothing implied towards you
@Ell it is. it's just a few identities man
 
7:56 PM
We want andrei
 
Speak for yourself
 
This is interesting... and prone to normal internet people.
 
@TemplateRex In 20 mins.
 
@sehe i have to move a mouse for that -
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf No you don't. We've been there before. Stop lazing.
 
7:57 PM
@Ell Maybe you were asked "What's the answer to this question?" and you said "Dunno, I pass..." and then "pass" was written down.
 
SAM
@TemplateRex Yay!
 
(To lazy to corect my spelling errors too)
 
nice music @ Going Native
 
lol
 
Ell
@FredOverflow Maybe. I just know that I got 7% on my statistics 2 paper. Although that is on the further maths course, which I got an unclassified on
I'm an embarrassment to my family, which is why this year I do work every day!
 
7:59 PM
@Ell That's awesome. Getting a result in percents. On a statistics paper.
Get it?!
 
Ell
xD
 
Parent's talk was cool
 
@TemplateRex What did your parents talk about?
 
but he was kinda smug about it
 
SAM
@FredOverflow Ya
 
7:59 PM
Very much. Much more thought provoking than Bjarne's IMO
 

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