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7:00 PM
@FredOverflow I hope your case lays flat or that shit will fuck up your motherboard :P
 
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A: Replacement for MS _vscprintf on MacOS/Linux?

user2308104Works great!!!. The only modification that i can add is the fix to va_copy, this function need two parameters like the following code: int _vscprintf (const char * format, va_list pargs) { int retval; va_list argcopy; va_copy(argcopy, pargs); retval = vsnprintf(NULL, 0...

 
user1804599
@FredOverflow even better
 
user1804599
No wonder you have a memory leak; you’re using new[]. — rightfold 4 secs ago
 
Alright, so, we got an exception somewhere in our code.
And the stack strace starts at new.
 
@rightfold That can't be healthy!
@EtiennedeMartel Did you try to allocate an array of negative size?
 
7:05 PM
@FredOverflow The next line is in some _Reallocate method in vector.
 
Oh this is C++.
 
user1804599
What is the data type of the exception?
 
I assumed it was C#
 
@EtiennedeMartel Could have attempted to resize to a size above address space/2, for example due to unsigned overflow.
 
@rightfold The log only says SEHException.
 
7:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel How many elements are in the vector?
 
@FredOverflow No idea. It's just a log.
 
@EtiennedeMartel sehe exception?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hardware/operating system error.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Probably millions of elements in that log.
 
user1804599
Swap.
 
7:07 PM
Time to go again.
 
All we got is a stack trace.
 
user1804599
Time to leave my computer and go sit downstairs where people are.
 
A vector fucks up while reallocating.
 
user1804599
UB!
 
It's in some texture conversion code.
 
7:08 PM
I'd probably go for memory corruption, or unsigned overflow leading to impossibly large size.
 
With plenty of calls to FreeImage stuff.
 
or maybe Ro0/3/5 violation.
 
FreeImage, the library? Huh, first time I hear that being used outside of Uni
 
Alright, so, it appears it's a fairly small vector (< 16 elements) containing small objects.
 
@Xeo Alright, what the fuck do I do if I have a lambda that captures a variable of a deferred type?
defer the lambda?
or resolve the variable?
 
Xeo
7:14 PM
y'know, isn't your deferred stuff basically laziness?
 
not run-time.
 
Xeo
or at least part of it?
 
only in the type system.
 
Xeo
welp, defer the lambda
 
hmm.
that would imply deferring the lambda's context too, I think.
that could get le nasty.
 
user1804599
7:15 PM
lambda lambda lambda omg omgom g<3
 
I just took an epic shit.
 
thanks for letting us know
 
@rightfold he said lambda 3 times, HL3 confirmed
 
It felt good.
 
kindly create an RSS feed dedicated to your shitting habits
 
user1804599
7:16 PM
@Borgleader lol
 
@DeadMG A twitter feed.
 
hmm
you know, it's really kind of annoying.
 
@TonyTheLion + Vine account, for the really epic ones
 
I've lost a shitbunch of weight, and my arms have much different shapes, but I still have a gut and manboobs.
and I dislike how my collarbone and hipbones stick out now.
 
Xeo
Sounds like you mostly lost muscle mass :s
 
7:17 PM
nah
definitely fat.
 
user1804599
I want to live in Singapore.
 
im pretty sure you lose fat before muscles, maybe @Rapptz would know more
 
just not all from the places I wanted to lose it from.
 
user1804599
Cock shrunk?
 
lol no
 
user1804599
7:19 PM
Oh, right. That’s impossible.
 
well, my current guess
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Nice. I did that last night.
 
user1804599
It was epic.
 
@rightfold It's small enough already.
 
user1804599
7:42 PM
I want a BEAM VM in JavaScript with WebSocket communication.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I just saw the cover of "La Presse" today, how much of this corruption shit are they going to keep finding T_T
 
@CatPlusPlus @thecoshman HA! you said it couldn't be done
or that it would suck
but here it is, see, I was right, this is exactly what they were gonna do :p
> The big problem that immediately comes up when allowing players to use warp whenever they want to is that forcing everyone to go into warp is unpractical, and otherwise your local copy of the solar system wouldn't be synchronized with other players (so the planets and moons would be in very different positions relative to each other for different players).
> KMP gets around this by allowing players to play in multiple timeframes (or "subspaces") simultaneously. You can sync with any player that's "in the future" relative to you whenever it's convenient.
and also
 
>What happens when I'm not in sync with someone else?

You'll still be able to see those players and what they're doing in-game--you can chat, send screenshots, share designs, etc, but you won't be able to interact with any in-game vessels that those players control.
 
@melak47 What game is this?
 
7:48 PM
@Borgleader KSP. someone made a multiplayer mod
 
user1804599
> Millions lines of code.
 
> Congratulations, you are our one millionth line of code!
 
@EtiennedeMartel I still call bullshit on this 500 MLOC
 
7:52 PM
@Borgleader Isn't HealthCare.gov on Github?
 
@Borgleader maybe they really like empty lines? :)
 
zch
How can car have more software than debian?
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel What is it written in? COBOL?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Was.
 
@Griwes I see.
@rightfold Overengineering.
 
7:59 PM
@melak47 in other words, you can play together as long as you do not want to actually play together. They are just making it easier to share ship designs, which really is not multiplayer in any way
 
@thecoshman I still don't get why you are saying that
you can interact once you sync times
 
this is what we were saying, the only way to play together is if you are in the same time frame.
 
@thecoshman yes, and you can make it so you are in the same time frame
and then you can play together
 
I still don't like the idea of one player warping ahead in time, then the other just warps to catch up with out that others player having impacted
 
why
 
8:02 PM
because I want my multiplayer experience to not just be me
 
what
 
I don't want to play 'multiplayer' where most of the time it is just me. What is the point in that?
 
why would it be most of the time?
 
user1804599
Who would you play a multiplayer game with anyway?
 
why would you go on a ksp mp server to go on a grand tour of the solar system by yourself - you'd think that you'd do stuff like build crap cooperatively, or race people, or crash stuff, or idk
 
8:05 PM
I can do that now, with out having to go at the slowest man paces. I can timewarp my ship at 10,000X whilst the newbish cat is still trying to get of the launch pad
 
@thecoshman ....so? once he makes it to orbit, he can just join you there at your station or whatever you were doing
 
@melak47 and what do I have to do in the mean time? just watch him? I can already do that via streaming
 
@thecoshman blblblbl
why don't you two decide to do something together int he first place
 
user1804599
> Special Considerations
> You should not use this function.
 
user1804599
Best documentation ever.
 
8:09 PM
"I want to play left 4 dead with cat, but he's still figuring out how to look around while I'm killing all the zombies"
 
@rightfold At least that's not the "typical" or "regular" consideration
 
user1804599
It was a function that made it possible for a class to be its own superclass.
 
@rightfold Where is that from?
 
@melak47 yes, but him being crap in an FPS game does not stop me from playing. Him wanting to play at 1x speed DOES stop me wanting to use 100kX speed whilst I want to get on some deep space mission
 
8:11 PM
@rightfold I see.
 
user1804599
Objective-C is nice.
 
@thecoshman if he doesn't want to join you on your deep space mission, it's not really multi player is it? so what difference does it make if he doesn't come along, whatever speed he's playing at
 
user1804599
It only lacks type inference.
 
@thecoshman I really don't see why you think this is bad...it gives you the option of playing with others - if they don't want to play with you then why are they playing the MP mod anyway
 
@rightfold It's incredibly verbose.
Most of its features feel tacked on.
 
8:14 PM
@melak47 The only way I can multiplayer working in KSP is if I can, as a host, invite someone to pilot a ship. But the only real use would be say during docking so they can hold a ship in place
 
And it lacks decent tool support.
 
@thecoshman or, he could be adding stuff to a station on one end, and you on the other
 
Objective-Crap
 
@melak47 have you actually played the game?
 
@thecoshman I haven't gotten a chance to do so because I'm here talking to you :D
 
8:16 PM
Objectively, Objective-C is very bad.
 
@melak47 ever
 
@thecoshman duh?
 
Shameless repost
Oct 1 at 21:04, by Borgleader
@CaptainGiraffe I Objectively C no reason to use it
 
@melak47 ¬_¬ really...
 
@thecoshman really what?
obviously I've played KSP before
 
8:20 PM
@melak47 because you sure as hell don't sound like you understand the mechanics
 
@thecoshman what the hell are you talking about
 
@melak47 You just fail to grasp the problem with timewarping for multiple players.
 
@thecoshman I fail to see why it's a problem
 
@melak47 continuity
and where the hell did you get that 'they are thinking of multiplayer now, here's how they are doing it'
 
@thecoshman huh?
 
8:24 PM
@melak47 who are 'they'? Squad?
 
it's a mod. like I said.
(to borgleader)
and I know that they're doing it like this...because they tell you :p
that's why I was quoting >_>
 
yeah, it still has the floor of "I've warped into the future, but do not see all other players actions". That is not going to cut it for me
 
where are you getting that?
"I've warped into the future, but do not see all other players actions"
 
How the hell do you fail to grasp this idea? If one players is faster (in time) then the other, he will no have the information for what that player will do. This means that as the second player is playing, he will see the ghost of the first player who has already speed ahead through time, but will not be able to interact AT ALL. It is as if the other player was never there, it is just an image, you cannot interact in anyway
 
May 23 '12 at 15:43, by Etienne de Martel
Objective-C is objectively crap.
 
8:31 PM
if, if, I was going to play a KSP mp it would almost certainly have to use a lowest common speed for time warp.
 
@thecoshman but you CAN interact, by choosing to go to their timeframe
what's the problem with that?
you could only possibly interact when you are in close proximity in the first 3 dimensions, what's the problem with also having to be near them in time?
 
@melak47 ok, one more time. Player A goes into orbit, warps ahead REALLY far, then heads to the Mun. Player B then starts of, from the same initial time frame, gets into orbit and wishes to dock with player A, but this player at this stage has ALREADY warped far far ahead is currently time warping in orbit around the Mun.
To player B, he can not interact any longer with this image that was player A.
 
@thecoshman so what's the problem? do you want to be able to dock with player A int he past? what the hell?
 
And to me, that is just not foing to cut it
 
can you not think outside of "proper game time" for a second? why would you want to dock with player A who is no longer there?
 
8:35 PM
@melak47 no, player B wants to dock in HIS present, player A is suddenly seeing (well, he isn't going to see it really) history being re-wrote with this second ship that was also in orbit that he could have docked with, but never saw at the time.
@melak47 Because to players B frame of reference HE IS THERE
 
no, he sees a transdimensional hologram. happy now? :p
 
@melak47 no. Because what use is that
 
@ScottW good job. have a cookie
@ScottW What d'ya think :/ I search for everything. I'm lazy
 
like I said, if you want KSP multiplayer, for me, it HAS to have just one timeframe that all players stick to.
 
think of time like a 4th dimension in space. you're mad that you can't interact with player A at (7,12,8,2) while you're at (7,12,8,1), well duh
 
8:37 PM
@ScottW Yeah, I usually have a "hunch"/"inkling" I might have seen it before.
 
@melak47 it is not like that though.
 
@thecoshman and that'd be fine for some stuff, but not if you want to go anywhere besides maybe mun and minimus in a reasonable amount of time
 
I don't just randomly search any keyword on screen
 
@thecoshman but it is. a player only exists in the time frame he is in. in your timeframe, he does not exist
 
8:38 PM
@melak47 this frame of reference could still be timewarped, just at some agreed factor
@melak47 hence, that is not multiplayer. Also, don't forget multiple ships. Next you are going to want to be able to go back in time so you can pilot many ships that launch in very quick succession
 
@thecoshman well, you can't. :p
 
@melak47 and do not think just interms of the players, but the ships
 
@thecoshman the ships exist in their time frame
if the player leaves, the ship is still there
so what
 
@melak47 why not, that is effectively what that multilay mod is doing
 
@thecoshman no, you can travel forward in time, but not back :p
 
8:41 PM
@melak47 no it is exactly like that. From player As point of view (the far future) player B is launching a second ship and controlling it in player As past
 
@thecoshman so? think of it as a separate universe then. player B is not interacting with player A's past
 
Which is just not worth it for me.
 
whyyy
that only happens when one of you decides to timewarp away
 
because I want to play with other players
 
blasdsdhgsdfsd and you can
 
8:44 PM
If I just want to watch, I they can stream their game whilst I play mine
 
only when you're not, you can still see what the other players are doing right now on their end
@thecoshman yes, you can watch them, AND you can play together
 
Look, I understand the multiple timeframe mechanic, I just think it is terrible and not something I would want to use at all
 
I don't understand why you think it's terrible that when you're not playing together you're not playing together. you don't have to do that
 
then why kid yourself into thinking you are playing multiplayer?
Can you think of any other game where such a mechanic would actually work?
 
@thecoshman you seem to be missing half of what I am saying - when you are not in the same timeframe yes it's not really multiplayer, BUT WHEN YOU ARE, IT IS
 
8:48 PM
Sure they have it in say Sim City, but you just get a crude average of what the other player is doing and do not get to gully interact.
@melak47 and I am saying I don't want to see multiple timeframes. I am no way saying that whilst you in exact same reference point you shouldn't be able to interact
 
@thecoshman so...don't look at the other dudes on the map screen
that'll make it hard to join anyone though.
 
or make it so that players are always in the same reference point
 
or just don't play with 20 people who don't want to do anything with you
(it's ~8 players max anyway :p)
 
What happens if I start with another player, but he goes of some reason, do I just sit there with my thumb up my arse waiting for him to come back?
 
@thecoshman you do whatever you want, and if he comes back, he can deal with the fact that you did stuff while he was gone and rejoin you?
or you could leave your ship there with his, too, if you are on an expedition together, and go to one of your other crafts. where's the problem?
what are you going to do in other games if another player leaves?
 
8:58 PM
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Q: reactive-banana time delays

luquiI have scoured the documentation of reactive-banana, and I can't find a way to specify explicit time delays. Say, for example, I would like to take an Event t a and shift all of its occurrences 1 second into the future; or get an event that fires 1 second from now (within Moment t); or anything ...

seriously who the fuck comes up with these names?
 
@Borgleader amazing
ah i remember
it was for GUI stuff
 
user1804599
Lamp y u make noise.
 
Sigh.
I don't understand how I am failing to create a window with all the documentation on MSDN.
On the bright side, MessageBox worked:
It would seem I am past the point of caring.
 
user1804599
> Your
 
I know.
 
user1804599
9:02 PM
Me too.
 
Gives me a NULL window, and claims there is no error.
Though I suppose that is progress, in some direction.
Before I kept getting 87.
Which apparently means one of the 11 parameters is wrong.
@BartekBanachewicz you back?
 
@ScottW No.
 
I am confused.
 
@ScottW Your license for bad puns have been revoked. I'm sorry.
@ScottW YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED!!!
But anyway, gonna go drink a beer alone (probably). See you you in about an hour.
 
9:12 PM
@ScottW It's never truly random
 
See you you too... too? in an hour.
 
So ^ if you want to ruin people, call me!
 
@sehe Is that Comic Sans?
 
user1804599
Yes, it is.
 
user1804599
The one and only font with the ugliest capital letter A ever.
 
9:14 PM
0 day exploits are a technical skill?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I dunno. I skimmed it. The rates are quite amusing
@Pawnguy7 In commerce, apparently so
 
@sehe I mean the title.
 
user1804599
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
I WANT YOU IN MY ROOM
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, that too. I'm not very sensitive for visual mishaps. Everything is noisy for me anyway
meh.
I'M GOING TO IBIZA!
 
user1804599
WHICH IS WHY I AM BOOMING ON THE DOOR
 
user1804599
9:16 PM
@sehe Met Harry?
 
Neej.
VAN HET GELD VAN OME JAN!
 
user1804599
@sehe iPizza
 
user1804599
fuck pear
 
user1804599
Apple master fruit.
 
@ScottW you should fix SFML for me,with the power of your love :D
 
9:22 PM
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 That’s going on Twitter.
 
Holiday training to get better at trolling ^
Amazon sponsored :)
 
@rightfold Um... ok?
Well, more specifically, my build of it... or something.
Draws textures just fine.
But chokes on fonts.
And those are in the same module.
Hrm...
I like fonts though :\
Not to mention, I cannot finish Snake without them.
 
@rightfold I'm appalled you just twote that without regard for caps, spacing or interpunction. Or, even indicating oratio obliqua #loungecpp
YOU FAIL
You cut corners when in a hurry. I bet you don't have coverage tests either
@Pawnguy7 Me too. I find it's easier to read chat with them
 
That is a useful as well, yes.
I should read about how fonts work someday.
Only implementation I might be able to pull off is bitmaps.
Or.. what do they call them?
Raster font.
 
9:32 PM
@Pawnguy7 yeo
 
Hi.
 
@sehe is that a comic sans in the title?
@Pawnguy7 good enough
@Pawnguy7 you wanted to ask me something about SFML
 
Yes.
 
shoot away then
 
If I can render textures fine.
But not fonts.
What might be the problem?
 
9:33 PM
@sehe LOL
@Pawnguy7 fonts
 
But it worked before.
 
yesterday, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Pawnguy7 because font rendering is a major PITA
 
True as I am sure that is, I am trying to figure out why it no longer works.
 
@Pawnguy7 git clone && rebuild
 
I could try.
I think I used whatever source is on the website.
Although, I would think that would be a stable source.
 
9:36 PM
@sehe also child porn (and sorry i asked for comic sans, honestly i didn't see @Etienne did that already)
@Pawnguy7 :v
 
Hm?
?
 
@Pawnguy7 well do a clean minimal setup
if it still happens file an issue to Laurent
listen, I am all in helping ya, but if you don't give me concrete stuff to work with, I can only bludge out imprecise bs like this
 
Concrete?
What else is there?
 
user1804599
Cement.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you talking to somebody I plonked o.o that seems out of the blue from what came before
 
zch
9:50 PM
That's why we need wireless power.
 
user1804599
@zch It’s been done.
 
zch
@rightfold, than why my mouse still has a wire?
 
user1804599
Because your mouse is terrible.
 
@StackedCrooked I noticed even "strangers" are getting Spirit samples compiled now (on Coliru). aaand you no longer criple command lines (g++ -> g++-4.8 no longer happens?)
 
user1804599
You cannot compile Spirit samples.
 
user1804599
10:04 PM
There is no computer powerful enough to instantiate all the templates.
 
user image
2
Stephen Colbert strikes again
 
ah, he's wrong
they have a third relationship with the UK- we spy on our own citizens and send them the data and follow them around like a lost dog.
 
@DeadMG hush, who cares about the uk
 
user1804599
10:24 PM
My monitor is so fucking dirty.
 
@rightfold Meh:
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A: How to achieve proper parsing when some of structure' fields are omitted or are in not the same order as in the structure declaration?

seheThe way to get anything done with Spirit[1] is to use small steps, simplify rigorously along the way. Don't live with "cruft" (like, randomly repeated sub expressions). Also, being explicit is good. In this case, I'd start with extracting the repeated sub-expressions and reformatting for legibil...

Nicely on Coliru (coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/481acc992fba17ac) even without a backdoor hack to increase the compilation deadline
@rightfold Learn to aim while wanking
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
It’s not cum, it’s dust.
 
Dust sticks because of the... well. You do you what you have to do. You're young
 
user1804599
Ik ga in december naar Spanje.
 
10:28 PM
@sehe s/young/single/
 
@rightfold Piedro Negre
 
user1804599
@sehe :D
 
Huh. I just got the 'robot verification' check because of speed editing on the main site. I dismissed the box and just submitted again, and didn't need to prove my innocence
I guess, a robot never retries?
 
you can ask him
 
@Abyx He'll simply confirm (a robot never retries because he rarely fails). But that would be a lie.
And we all know what happens when I ask the robot "Does a robot never lie?". That would fry his main circuits trying to find the optimal answer.
So I won't. Out of respect.
 
10:44 PM
the robot is immune to logic bombs like that
 
Derp. I don't think you're valuing the trickyness of software reliability very well.
 
I already tested him.
 
You're designing a language with a back door to C++ interop. Saying that is not really a good sign :/
 
@sehe Maybe Coliru has gotten some hardware upgrades.
 
@Rapptz I've been asking Stacked about that, but he denies
@ScottW I NEVER THINK
 
10:47 PM
@sehe Hey, I'm writing some tests and shit right now.
 
user1804599
Man.
 
user1804599
I hate Christmas.
 
man, Christmas is not tomorrow
 
user1804599
Good.
 
user1804599
Once a year is more than enough.
 
10:55 PM
Good reminder on the appeal to authority:
> [John von Nuemann] always contended with Dantzig that the simplex method would take an absurdly long amount of time to solve linear programming problems. It appears to be, oh, so far as I know, the one place where Johnny went very badly wrong.
 
isn't it Neumann?
 

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