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1:00 PM
@gnzlbg I remember I had similar problem. (but maybe that was BOOST_FUSION_DEFINE_ASSOC_STRUCT)
 
Ell
I don't know why I voiced my opinion just now xD my internet etiquette has been getting worse and worse this year :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the 'html' part has nothing to do with the resource though.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I know just that Spirit doesn't care about associative Fusion sequences
 
Ell
I can see the value of them with boolean arguments for flags I guess
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, it is.
 
1:03 PM
@Ell No, just Lounge etiquette
 
@Evgeny i was expecting that BOOST_FUSION_ADAPT_ASSOC_STRUCT would let me build a fusion::map from a struct or use the struct as a fusion map
 
your opinion is not valid if you don't try to piss off others with it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, it is terrible. as is there case sensitivity
 
Sep 30 at 21:51, by Etienne de Martel
@not-rightfold I prefer young girls.
 
@jalf Wow. Those words. Seem so explosive, when they're put close together
 
1:04 PM
@sehe Kaboom!
 
@gnzlbg I remember that it builds Associative Seqeunce, not fusion::map container. And I had to workaround that somehow
 
Aug 30 '12 at 18:44, by FredOverflow
got milf?
@EvgenyPanasyuk there is fusion::as_vector, perhaps there's fusion::as_map?
 
@sehe I used it during implementation of scattered vector - it transforms fusion assoc struct into arrays per each seq element.
 
@Evgeny yes, an associative sequence is not a fusion::map, and you cannot trivially build one from it
 
@thecoshman Why not?
It is an HTML file, so it clearly has a lot to do with it.
@thecoshman I decide that. It's not for you.
 
1:06 PM
@sehe there is as_map, but afaik it does something another. (did not solve problem)
 
@gnzlbg Sorry for answering the wrong question there. I guess
 
@sehe I've tried with fusion::make_map and result_of::as_map :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh.
 
@sehe thanks anyways, im taking a closer look at the blog post
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because I want to look at 'how to read this document', I do not want 'how to read this document html'
@R.MartinhoFernandes it does not have to be a html file though.
 
1:07 PM
@gnzlbg I should think it doesn't address it. But maybe I missed it
 
@Evgeny do you have scattered vector somewhere? What im trying to implement is a SOA vector
 
@gnzlbg That would certainly have been nice to add to the question
 
@thecoshman The document is named http://flamingdangerzone.com/ogonek/reading.html. A machine goes along and looks at 'how to read that document'. A machine succeeds.
 
@gnzlbg yes, I have scattered vector. what is "SOA" vector?
 
@thecoshman It is.
 
1:08 PM
@gnzlbg Do you need C++11, or C++98?
 
Nobody will type that URL ever.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what the file maps to does not matter. The data behind the URL can change
 
Nobody types any URLs except for the main part.
 
Nobody is meant to type it.
 
@thecoshman But it won't so who cares.
 
1:09 PM
Service Oriented Architecture vector?!
Securable Offensive Attack Vector?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good urls do not change. What If that resource changes from being stored as a HTML page to being dynamically generated by a script?
@CatPlusPlus people who want to link to the resource.
 
@sehe I guess "Structure of Arrays"
 
@thecoshman It will be found at http://flamingdangerzone.com/ogonek/reading.html.
 
@thecoshman Then it'll be published under .html or just redirected.
 
@thecoshman They copy and paste it.
It's an opaque identifier.
 
1:09 PM
@thecoshman That has nothing to do with URLs containing extensions or not.
 
It's not for people.
It's for machines.
People will click through to it.
 
Can we skip the debate? The pirate was bored. I called it right away
1 hour ago, by sehe
@thecoshman It's a social engineering probe used to measure how bored you are
 
Just to be clear: my website is not a REST API.
 
Also I thought the argument was "semantics" or whatever the web 9.012.1283 buzzword is
 
There's no API. Click the links and shut up.
 
1:10 PM
There. The mystery of the url unraveled
 
@Evgeny C++11 is fine. SOA is struct of arrays. There is a discussion in SG7 Reflection about array of structs to struct of arrays conversions and I wanted to show a minimal library implementation of that.
 
Who needs to be cool? I'd rather have cool content. You know when the content is boring when the URLs matter
 
@thecoshman The URLs won't change. So what?
 
@gnzlbg Ok, I have it. But it is proof-of-concept - i.e. not well tested
 
1:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, it is.
 
@thecoshman Having five particular characters in it doesn't affect if it will change or not.
@thecoshman I decide that FFS. It isn't.
 
Nobody cares.
 
@gnzlbg Woot.
 
It's a website where you click on links to see stuff.
 
@Evgeny i have the iterator, references and pointer types
 
1:12 PM
There's no application programming interface unless I decide I want to expose one.
 
and a container that builds them from two mpl sequences, one of value types, and one of types used as keys to access them
 
@gnzlbg that is cool - I just had push_back with not exception safety, and subscript
 
If I had subpages on that silly page of mine, they'd have an extension too.
 
Programming applications based on my website is not supported. Period.
You can shut the fuck up now.
 
Because generating directories full of index.html is silly.
And nobody cares.
 
1:13 PM
@sehe you've never had to navigate MSDN, I take it? :/
nothing like a browser history full of GUIDs
 
History saves page titles for me.
 
So yeah, I'd say URLs matter. But whether they have a .html at the end or not seems like a pretty minor offense compared to the gunk people otherwise might fill into it
 
@thecoshman Maybe you should consider posting 12,850,312 requests for improvement at connect.microsoft.com so they can fix their URLs? I mean, MSDN has some of the most uncool URLs in written history. (Why does Microsoft even exist anymore?)
@jalf ^ timing
 
@sehe what's done is done. If they were to remove the extension now, they would break bookmarks for thousands (millions?) of people
 
@gnzlbg Here is old version (proof-of-concept, no exception safety). I think it should work in C++98. And it is possible to simplify it creatly with C++11 (remove result_of protocol).
 
1:15 PM
@jalf And yes, that nicely supports my point. I'd rather have them invest more time in decent documentation (that could use a little improvement here and there) than that they "fix" the url scheme. I mean, it works for them, it is searchable. Good enough
 
@thecoshman No, they wouldn't. WTF have you ever heard of redirects?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes another example then, if you copy/paste that link, you have no clue what it is until you click on it, which does kind of suck. (But I'm not saying your .html has a similar effect)
@thecoshman You mean like a few years ago when they moved everything to msdn2.microsoft.com? ;)
 
How often do you get MSDN URLs without a description
 
Or like the countless 404's you get on MSDN anyway because they're constantly moving shit around
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, they would have to redirect to keep the old links valid. It is not worth retroactively changing that, unless you want to be consistent. But from now on...
 
1:17 PM
@gnzlbg I have even ASM result from old test
 
@CatPlusPlus Many of them are unique IDs. (sometimes GUIDs, sometimes other weird shit)
 
@CatPlusPlus whenever I, or someone else, just copies the URL from the address bar
 
@thecoshman I wasn't talking about the extension. std::imbue(std::this_head, std::hat<std::tin_foil_category>(false), std::blinders(std::blinders_none))
 
@Evgney thanks! I just check it out fast, and you are wrapping an struct manually with mpl. I guess you gave up with ADAPT_STRUCT too :/
 
1:18 PM
Also oh god ideone links have random ID in them
You just can't tell what the code is
 
A human should be able to look at a URL that was given to them and reasonably know what to expect when they click on it. The extensions hinders that process.
 
@jalf Actually that's a good point, and something you can use to argue in favour of .html.
 
@gnzlbg Yes, I remember that I tried to use ADAPT_STRUCT or DEFINE_STRUCT.
 
@jalf Yeah, I'm always checking to see that my boss isn't looking, in case it's one of those NSFW articles :)
 
Oh god nobody gives a shit about the extension.
 
1:18 PM
@gnzlbg But don't remember why not used it.
 
@sehe point still stands, what's done is done.
 
If I see http://flamingdangerzone.com/ogonek/reading.jpg I expect a picture on the other side.
 
We've got a couple such links in code comments, saying the author of the code did so and so because of Microsoft Quirk #342346 as documented on the following MSDN link: msdn.microsoft.com/completely-meaningless-random-gunk
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, except the .html doesn't guarantee anything :)
 
@thecoshman Nobody is debating facts. People are questioning the relevance.
 
So you know what's there, because it's described right there
 
1:20 PM
@jalf As does none of the other parts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes where as if you used a 'documentation' as part of the path in your URL it would be even clearer what this 'reading' thing is for in the first place.
 
But w/e
 
@thecoshman What?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, the hostname does ;)
 
Now that would be redundant
 
1:20 PM
@jalf I agree, somewhat. However, I have no qualms adding the title (or, the relevant explanation) in comment, and than adding the link only for background/authority (link rot, anyone)
 
@gnzlbg By the way, I have even preprocessor version. After preprocessing it expands to this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but personally when I look at a link, I'm typically more interested in what information is on the page it points to, not whether it is physically stored as html on the server
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes reading ogonek or reading documentation (for) ogonek
 
Xeo
fuuuuuuck flash ~
 
@thecoshman Well, look at the goddamn fucking title.
 
1:21 PM
flamingdangerzone.com/ogonek/documentation/chapter1/firstlinkfromthetop/forhuman‌​s/reading.html
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you should just go get a nice bit of lunch. It's been stormy wheather and pirates seem to be suffering the aftermath
 
@sehe actually be rather ok weather, wet and cold, but not stormy
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk Dude. Where is your blog!
 
@sehe lol
 
@thecoshman englishpage.com/verbpage/presentperfect.html I guess I ought to have said "It was stormy"
 
1:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes anyway, I just wanted to point out that the URL does matter and it is preferable if it is readable by humans as well as machines. Beyond that, I don't care :p
 
@jalf Yup, that was my point also. Sadly, my attempt to redirect a pirate's rage to MSDN seems to have momentarily failed
 
@sehe not windy => not stormy
 
@jalf Apparently if you add more info to it, it becomes less readable by humans, and now it can magically change, and all sorts of weird things.
 
@thecoshman #ukstorm Your blinders obviously work very very well
 
@Evgeny cool!
 
1:25 PM
@sehe and your ignorance seems boundless
 
Im going to write to the boost mailing list
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, adding more (unnecessary) information can certainly make a text less readable to humans.
 
@gnzlbg By the way, I have also some similar thing: heterogeneous vector proof-of-concept.
 
there has to be a way to construct a map
 
@jalf Extension is not it.
 
1:27 PM
from an associative sequence
 
Btw, if you want to cringe because of my non-fancy-REST-y URLs, look at my blog.
There are only two articles where the URL matches the title.
 
@CatPlusPlus I didn't say it was. :)
 
I do that on purpose. I am not sure why, but I do.
Now I know why. To piss you off. :P
 
@thecoshman lol. really. That's a useful move to make. Do you remember what you were arguing, again?
 
That is a good reason.
 
Ell
1:28 PM
Also sehe, I haven't done much more work on my swf parser. At the minute I'm stuck at decompression - I wrote a source using an I put iterator for boost iostreams, but it doesn't work yet. My social life has and will be taking over for this week but I'm hoping to get working on it again as soon as possible
 
@sehe yes, robots bad URL names
 
And apologies if I somehow forgot that you were actually located outside the UK. AFAIR you've been in and out, and honestly I can't really track.
 
For SoA vector - you may need your analog of ADAPT_STRUCT anyway - you can generate structure of references with it. Like I have in preprocessor version:
struct record
{
string name;
int age;
};
struct ref_record
{
string &name;
int &age;
};
 
Look: http://flamingdangerzone.com/unicode/2013/09/10/towards-nice-apis.html leads to a page titled "The little tail that could".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also you linked to Stack Overflow user page and didn't include a user name!! NOBODY WILL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CLICKING!
 
1:29 PM
@sehe ... I lived in the UK... then I moved out... that's about it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I called it, remember
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but it is about 'nice apis'
 
Web pages are not APIs jesus.
 
user784668
Web jesus are not APIs.
 
1:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also category name! MIGHT CHANGE
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I'm using boost::mpl to generate these automatically from an mpl::vector of values and an mpl::vector of keys. I just need a way to get these from a struct. I guess I'm going to write my own macro to do it. I was just hoping there was an easier way to build a fusion::map from an associative sequence but that doesn't seem to be the case.
 
Everyone involved in web is batshit crazy.
 
so, can I point out that rather than driving a fanatical discussion about the most boring subject in the universe, it would have been perfectly valid after the initial comment about .html to either go "yeah maybe, but I'm too lazy to change it and I don't think it's important", or "I think it is vital to have the extension, so I'll keep it", or in @thecoshman's case, "well, fair enough. I would cut the extension if it were me"
 
@gnzlbg Well, I generate it too with MPL (it is Vector::references_record in code above), but it is not real struct, not as convinient.
 
It's slow day.
 
1:32 PM
@thecoshman Okay. I thought I remembered you visiting the Lion somewhat recently. Sorry for extrapolating.
I'm not sure that this "ignorance" should be imputable. But I trust your opinion. I'm bad at politics.
 
Also making fun of stupid ideas.
 
@sehe oh, well holidays, but that don't count.
 
@sehe (hint, Ireland is not part of the UK)
 
But Tony is :/ (I bet he don't count. He earl)
<dukes/>
 
1:33 PM
@gnzlbg By the way, you can try to use Associative Iterator, it has result_of::key_of metafunction. I.e. do manual iteration in order to get key+value_type. I just didn't go that way - I think that was overkill for my aims.
 
@sehe ... you're a strange little man
 
@jalf It was my immediate response.
 
Xeo
@sehe Is it Bad Pun Friday already?
 
I hope so.
 
@jalf I was expecting his response to just be 'meh'
 
1:36 PM
It was.
 
@jalf No one complains about my URLs and lives.
 
@sehe au contraire
 
lol
s/oh/au/
 
I thought so, but google was fine with my pig french
 
@gnzlbg oh, I found some code. I used key_of - but I think I hit some bug (compiler of fusion).
 
1:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes but seriously, they suck :P extension asside
 
au, google!
 
@gnzlbg there is template<typename FusionAssociativeSequence> struct as_fusion_map which does manual iteration and key_of stuff.
 
I'm bored, too.
 
Did someone say French?
 
Yeah. I wonder whether ThePhD is secretly in the lounge. Such a high derpstorm levels are rare.
 
1:40 PM
@EtiennedeMartel erm, I said 'pig french'
 
@thecoshman Pig french, Cananananadian French, same thing.
2
 
@sehe huh, wouldn't have thought you were in on this anti-phd thing
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can't take that back (well, you can, but shut up)
 
@thecoshman so, that's a confirmation, then?
 
> Mangeons d'la marde, pis mangeons en en masse.
 
48 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
So what.
 
1:42 PM
0
Q: how do I initialise an atomic_flag variable if it is a member of a class?

Arno DuvenhageI'm trying to implement a spin lock using an atomic_flag. I know that with C++11 I have to initialise the atomic_flag variable, but I can't get it to compile. My code looks like this: class SpinLock { public: SpinLock() :m_flag(ATOMIC_FLAG_INIT) /// syntax error : missing ')' before '{' ...

 
@EtiennedeMartel ??? "if we're gonna eat shit, let's eat heaps of it"?
 
Well done, Microsoft, well done.
 
@sehe Let's eat shit, and eat a lot of it.
 
@sehe exactly, not 'I am aware that some people prefer not to have extensions in URLs, I am not one those people' (or something to that effect)
 
@arno ah, you need a C++11 compiler. — Yakk 1 hour ago
impressive
 
1:43 PM
@sehe confirmation of what?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yay MSVC.
 
user784668
More bugs and missing features than things that actually work.
 
spent whole night fiddling around provisional profile, trying to upload this update ...
 
@thecoshman Oh. The robot offended your sensibilities by not crawling into a corner acknowledging your right to an opinion.
That wasn't a smart move, then. Gasp.
 
1:45 PM
@sehe he showed ignorance to the concept.
 
No, he laughed at the concept.
 
¬_¬ this is getting just a little bit meta now
2
 
@thecoshman Clearly, he needed to be beaten into shape!
 
@sehe quite
 
@thecoshman Hint: it went meta as soon as you left the surface of the earth arguing :/
 
1:47 PM
@sehe o_0
oh... just noticed the room topic... who was ordering the pantsing?
 
sheeesh. Take a cookie. Settle down. Find something important to discuss :P
 
@User17 Hahaha, Apple so nice.
 
@sehe don't go making this meta-meta
 
Looks like I won't have to
 
1:51 PM
@gnzlbg oh, you are lucky - I localized code, and it actually works
 
Localisation's a bitch.
 
Sep 20 at 13:56, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Sorry. Pretend I'm still awesome.
 
@Evgny im fighting with fusion::range trying to get a range of Associative iterators from an associative sequence
 
@sehe (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ (if I could be arsed, there would be an upside down table flipping guy)
@sehe never!
 
> This parameter is always NULL.
What is it for then? :\
 
1:53 PM
Overload disambiguation? Future extension? Undocumented features?
 
@Pawnguy7 oh don't worry, I see that all the time, just accept that people like seeing 'null'
 
invalid binary ...
 
Actually, some people prefer seeing nullptr. NULL is to nullptr as .html is to cool urls
 
@sehe Or removed legacy features.
 
@sehe true, except Java :'(
 
1:56 PM
2 hours ago, by sehe
@thecoshman It's a social engineering probe used to measure how bored you are
seems applicable
 
And this is why debuggers should display strings with escaped characters for everything outside of a basic subset of ASCII: stackoverflow.com/q/19660140/46642
 
@sehe if I had a mental index of all chat like the robot, I'd fire something back at you
 

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