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1:01 PM
right
I made a mistake.
T to T&& should be invalid.
 
Non-type template parameters are a bit annoying.
 
damn you LLVM.
perhaps I should just drop T altogether, that would make life simpler.
nah
 
TIL about spaghetti stacks.
 
user1357851
Oo ... not spaghetti attacks
 
if T is not a complex type, then T to T&& is valid.
else, T to T&& is assertion failure.
 
Xeo
1:05 PM
what
 
user1357851
@ThePhD sure, lemme know how many compilation errors you have got :p
 
ITT Wide's type system goes schizo.
 
nah
the user never sees T vs T&&, they only ever see T&&.
I just have to have T to deal with LLVM and Clang and do I have the value in a worthless register or is it on the stack and such shit
 
user142019
@DeadMG make it UB and I will use Wide.
 
user1357851
Lemme C what is like if I plonk most people on this chat ...
 
1:08 PM
why does LLVM even have registers when they're so fucking useless, that's my question
 
user1357851
Maybe it will look as quiet as my own chat, lolz
 
@Abyx :|
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Maybe they're not?
 
@Xeo They're immutable, so you can't use them for any mutable values, and then they're also unaddressable, so you can't use them for any complex types.
pretty much all they're good for is holding the intermediate results of primitive operations
so virtually everything in LLVM has to be stack-allocated
 
SSA, optimizations, you know
 
1:11 PM
then they hope that a magical optimization pass can lower it to real machine registers when you needed mutability but not addressability
@Abyx It's not gonna be faster in SSA form if the direct form could use a machine register but LLVM couldn't quite prove it so has to stick it on the stack.
 
user1357851
This is awesome, me in an empty chat
 
user1357851
ignorance is a bless
 
@Telkitty IS IT REALLY EMPTY?
 
user1357851
@ThePhD No, just you & I
 
user1357851
too romantic ^_^
 
1:13 PM
@Telkitty Not sure whether to be scared shitless or afraid for my life.
@ScottW Ohaidere
Sweetiecakes, it's not what it looks like <3
 
user1357851
@ScottW you freaking ignore me yesterday, I only forget, I do not forgive :p
 
drama ITT
 
the price of not plonking Telkitty like a smart person
 
I bet chat looks all fucked for puppy & co
anyways, immutable registers are useful thing. I like'em
 
@Luc Didn't you have a bind implementation?
 
1:16 PM
unfortunately alloca and mutable variables fucks it up
 
Well... I have several things.
I have a Phoenix-like lazy eval EDSL which does bind-like things, I have a bind-like defer and I have a meta bindish Eval in the spirit of Boost.MPL.
 
ho boy
 
Whoa, he exists?
 
@ThePhD Of course he actually exists.
I saw him in Bristol
 
@DeadMG Yeah, but were you and he both seen in the same room together?
 
1:18 PM
yes
 
That sounds wrong.
 
user142019
@DeadMG mirrors and lasers.
 
I sat next to Lawrence Crowl in the plenary session on Friday
 
Fuck, only one answer and more rep than me :o
 
1:18 PM
and Stroustrup sat at the back on the right
 
user1357851
@ThePhD of course he exists ... you think Bjarne Stroustrup is a fake character some C++ people invented? :p
 
@Morwenn Don't worry most people will have just voted him up because he's Bjarne Stroustrup.
 
@Telkitty Pretty much, yeah. Only a made-up guy would have hair like that.
 
user142019
I WANNA SLEEEEEP
 
@ThePhD No, it's really like that.
@rightfold Then go to bed
 
user784668
1:20 PM
@DeadMG yeah, the answer is quite poor IMO
 
user142019
It's three o'clock.
 
now to implement asking Clang for implicit conversion information.. yay.
 
user142019
And I have to eat at five o'clock.
 
@LucDanton Well, I mean the range-y one.
 
user142019
I'm not going to sleep for only less than two hours.
 
1:20 PM
why not?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's much less interesting!
 
better to get 2 hours sleep than none
 
user142019
@ScottW It's a family tradition to eat at five.
 
Xeo
Power-napping ftw.
 
Wait, I am stupid.
4
 
user142019
1:21 PM
Can't break it.
 
@DeadMG Does it get more frilly or shake around when he speaks?
 
@ThePhD I honestly wasn't sitting close enough to notice.
 
user142019
@DeadMG I will sleep after eating.
 
I don't really have a choice in this.
 
user142019
@ScottW My family will kill me.
 
1:21 PM
A PONY HAS BEEN SLAIN.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton But you did write concatMap once, I remember
 
user1357851
oh I never thought if you put enough people on the ignore list you can fit 20+ on the first row of the people list
 
user1357851
this is so amazing
 
user142019
I swear I heard a plink but nobody plinked me.
 
user142019
 
user142019
1:22 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOO
 
user1357851
@ThePhD Horse pie!
 
user142019
MY LIFE. RUINED.
 
user142019
Telkitty is a fool.
 
user1357851
^__________^
 
@Telkitty What happened to that face? D:
 
Xeo
1:23 PM
Can you please stop talking with ghosts?
 
:c
Fiiiiine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I stashed everything in a 'range-experiment' branch, and it's here.
Be amazed at sucky ephemeral abuse.
 
@rightfold Telkitty will do that to you
 
user1357851
@ScottW ^_^
 
Wait, no storage?
Oh, it's public.
lol
 
user142019
1:24 PM
Nothing special.
 
I was looking for the data members in the private section.
 
I don't recall what happened. Probably some prodding in the unit test.
 
user1357851
@ScottW you can see the reply from the person you did not plonk but not the original message I think
 
But yeah, I wanted to know if you did temp storage of the last sequence returned by the function. As if there was any other option.
 
user142019
1:27 PM
@ScottW lol
 
Hmm, bind_sequence::before is going to be... impossible?
 
Yup.
Is that a problem?
 
template <typename T, T ... Elems >
void func ( Elems&&... elems ) // <-- anything seem invalid about this to anyone?
 
Xeo
Yes.
 
user142019
1:28 PM
Yes.
 
Xeo
Elems is not a type.
 
user142019
Elems are not types.
 
... Ooh, yeah....
 
I need to think about which algorithms need it, and which algorithms use bind.
 
What's before again?
 
user142019
1:28 PM
It makes no sense to take any function parameters there.
 
@LucDanton {1,2,3,4,5}.before({4,5}) is {1,2,3}.
 
Is it possible to take a variadic list of arguments of a single type, then?
 
Xeo
No
 
void func ( int&& .. integers )
Hm. WELL THEN.
Let's see if we can't cheat a little bit.
 
Xeo
Take a std::initializer_list or std::array
Prolly the former.
 
1:30 PM
Nnnnnnnnnnaaaahhh
I'd have to use curly braces
And that's silly. No, no. I can cheat!
 
user142019
2 days ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
You cannot solve problems if you avoid solutions.
 
=[ You can't let me enjoy cheating without reminding me how illogical I'm being? D:
 
Right now, graphemes needs before. If I use bind in normalization it means you cannot graphemes(normalize<N>(x)). I don't like the idea.
 
user784668
@ThePhD static_assert them
 
Though it's kinda silly to do that.
 
1:33 PM
Can before produce items until it finds a match? Wow, that's at terrible idea.
 
Man, that is freaking weird.
Let me think about flatten.
 
I know that feeling of confusion >.>
 
Ok, a simpler problem to solve is map_sequence::before.
I am fine with requiring pure projections.
 
@thecoshman I have felt like that in this very room at times :O
 
And multi-pass sequences must be repeatable, right? It's just plan madness otherwise, I think.
Of course, duh.
 
1:38 PM
@TonyTheLion did you say something that goes against popular consensus?
 
So, pure projections + multi-pass should be enough to make flatten::before work instead of bind::before. Maybe I can get bind::before too.
I think I can make it all work fine, but let's just say that C++ functional support sucks donkey cock.
I've grown to think that "has lambdas => supports functional programming" is total bullshit.
 
Xeo
heh
 
Kinda surprised how much C++ has actually taught me about functional programming by making it so hard.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I feel that way about the Lounge, and talking about things.
 
So yeah, you guys just witnessed an epiphany :P
I feel like I just leveled up.
 
1:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What more would you ask for?
cause for Wide, I can still take feature suggestions, y'know
 
@thecoshman Probably.
 
@ScottW Yup.
 
I like this place.
 
in fact, I haven't even implemented non-auto.
 
quick, star Martinho some more
 
1:51 PM
Every time I see auto I have to think you're talking about cars
 
@TonyTheLion civilised nations haven't called them "autos" for decades, you know
Germany excluded
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lolwat
 
@DeadMG Is there still room for goto? I love it so much.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's "Autos" anyway, so it was never included :P
 
We call them autos in Dutch too
lulz
 
1:52 PM
@TonyTheLion Dutch is basically German.
 
pedantry at its best
@LightnessRacesinOrbit erm, no
 
Anyway I meant English "autos"
@TonyTheLion erm, yes. don't argue with me.
 
@Morwenn No
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do you speak the language?
 
@TonyTheLion Yes
 
1:53 PM
No you don't, I do, so shush
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, I do.
 
Erm....
 
Your spies have failed you....
 
@DeadMG That's reassuring.
 
@TonyTheLion What? If you think you've met me in person and know all the languages I speak, clearly you are mistaken.
(Also, learn2sarcasm ffs)
 
1:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ffs
 
@TonyTheLion ffs
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't do sarcasm well online
ffs
 
@TonyTheLion i have noticed!
ffs!
 
I thought that had been proven time and time again
 
1:54 PM
in this very room
but apparently no one learns
 
still, I would have thought that even you could detect the undertones within "Dutch is basically German"
 
@TonyTheLion I did.
 
fuck this flood control
 
controlling the flood of your tears
tears of PAIN
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, its a sentence just like another and it reads the same as another.
 
1:55 PM
@TonyTheLion wrong!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ahahaha funny you say that to me
 
also, it's* FTFY
@TonyTheLion hilarious
 
you don't get it, do you?
 
ah, so you understand subtext now?
 
just plonk him tony
 
1:56 PM
@DeadMG no, because it's hilarious
 
@TonyTheLion I remember there were some ... issues. I assume you refer to this
@DeadMG .... except nobody's fighting? wtf, bro? chill your pants out sister
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yea
ITT he gets it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
Right, but my point is....... if there is something "to get", then you see my statement as something that is just like another and reads the same as another.... yet has hidden meanings!
just like "Dutch is basically German"
 
oh hidden meaning
I suck at that too
 
ITT you simply suck :p
 
1:58 PM
Polar Bear has tried me on that one before
 
@DeadMG Right now I think first-class support for all these are leagues more important that lambdas, in no particular order: higher-order functions, lazy evaluation, generators/continuations (as in, not fucking CPS).
 
@TonyTheLion oh don't compare me with him!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit apparently so :(
lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you don't like him?
WTF is with SO's flood control
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's first-class support for higher-order functions? Passing functions by name?
 
it's such a shame that @DeadTwat will never understand that this amusing and insightful conversation was a positive experience
 
1:58 PM
keeps spamming me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes For higher-order functions, being able to take and return lambdas/std::function should be sufficient?
 
@Xeo Taking functions as arguments and/or returning them.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :)
 
@TonyTheLion don't compare me with anyone! I am teh unique.
 
C++ does have that.
 
1:59 PM
first-class support for lazy evalution
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit now you sound like DeadMG
 
void foo(std::function<T> f);
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mhm. Well, Wide has that through making all functions actually function-objects IIRC.
 
@DeadMG Yeah.
 
is this just that iterators don't support them well, or that there needs to be language support?
 
1:59 PM
(but ffs don't tell @whoeveritwas!)
 
sbi
I am drive-by-linking this one here, hoping to get an answer sooner if I do so. :)
 
@TonyTheLion hidden meanings
 

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