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11:00 PM
s/live/life
 
I think, honestly, the puppy is doing that. Slowly but steadily. Not entirely sure, but I'd give him a bit of credit
 
@sbi This is true, but it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy, since seeking help from my parents or a professional would entail the very things I have a problem doing.
 
sbi
@Borgleader Sigh. I'll never get that right.
 
Ell
Aghh god I wish my face wasn't covered in spots >.< these wipes do nothing :o
 
@DeadMG Well, that's disappointing. But health is more important! And I'm pretty sure that considering your skill you'll get easily more offers!
 
Ell
11:01 PM
But im glad that's the level of problem I have to deal with :P
 
@NolwennLeGuen It's more about attitude than about skills, actually.
 
ah
it's perfectly possible that I wouldn't make a very good programmer anyway
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, I am not above giving him credit for trying. But I have been thinking for at least two years that someone should tell him this to his face, and I increasingly fail at holding back.
 
I'd spend all my time trying to avoid my co-workers
 
Ell
That and silly things which are silly
 
11:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah but he can improve!
 
@DeadMG Yeah, you gotta learn to work with others.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Touché.
 
@sbi Right, but defeating that kind of thing is a lot more than just knowing what the problem is.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel I remember him telling us here why it's the fault of the guys he studied with why he couldn't get along with them for some project.
 
@sbi I'd call that progress, then.
 
11:03 PM
@sbi "trying" - that might be overstating, but you know, insight happens and often it happens when you're actively pursueing something else or, rather, not actively pursueing anything.
 
@sbi I wonder what I said about them.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel You mean because he now talks about avoiding coworkers? Cough.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which isn't all that difficult. Appreciation is a major driving force
 
@sehe It's still hard at first.
Breaking the ice is incredibly difficult.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You underestimate the power of recognition there :)
 
sbi
11:04 PM
@DeadMG Yes, of course. But as I always tell that one son of mine who is a bit socially challenged: If this is harder for you then for the others, you will have to try harder, since there's no way you can avoid it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, most often, breaking the ice with coworkers is more or less mandatory anyways, or at least hard to avoid for longer periods of time
 
placement delete? there is no such thing right?
 
@doug65536 p->~T();
 
@doug65536 Invoke the destructor manually.
 
@doug65536 There's operator wiggly stuff ->~
 
sbi
11:05 PM
@sehe More often than not, insight into your very self happens when you're with your back against the wall and cannot avoid seeing yourself in the eye anymore. Especially so when your surroundings used to make it easy for you to avoid that.
 
@NolwennLeGuen That's not an operator.
 
@NolwennLeGuen . . .
 
in gcc:
// Default placement versions of operator delete.
inline void operator delete (void*, void*) _GLIBCXX_USE_NOEXCEPT { }
inline void operator delete[](void*, void*) _GLIBCXX_USE_NOEXCEPT { }
 
any windows users?
 
whatever that thing is called
 
sbi
11:05 PM
@DeadMG There's always the transcript.
@user1690130 Are you trolling us?
 
@sbi I can never make that work :P
 
when in doubt, read the transcript
2
 
@user1690130 Winwhat?
 
@sbi yes he's trolling, please plonk
 
@sbi That guy is weird.
 
11:06 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Cough. Brownlisted user. Please get a room or be careful
 
@sehe This is gonna be fun
@user1690130 I tend to use windows yes, why?
 
although I'm fairly certain that I had three team projects, for the first two we were all uselessly disorganized, which was the fundamental cause of our failure.
 
@NolwennLeGuen Please. Seriously. In another room then
 
They're pretty common these days.
 
@NolwennLeGuen how do i get a prrogram to run overnight with the power options?
 
11:07 PM
To get air in and stuff.
@user1690130 You have to pass it the option --overnight in powershell
 
@NolwennLeGuen I think you don't fully appreciate what we've come from with this particular guy.
 
for the final project, our team believed that the programming was more important than user design or requirements, on which I attempted to correct them but failed, so we didn't do that well.
 
@sehe I probably don't
 
Ell
Things are easy once the ice is Broken, So think logically and know that delaying breaking the ice is only going to make things more awkward and difficult (imho)
 
uh oh, I made changes, and now my container throws bad_alloc when default constructing. Something has gone horribly wrong.
 
11:08 PM
yeah
I should totally e-mail those guys in Hanover
 
@DeadMG In this case, don't blame them, rather "drive" them so that they recognize their mistakes on their own
 
it's not like I wasn't actually seriously ill during virtually all of January.
 
sbi
@DeadMG ISTR telling you this months ago.
 
@DeadMG y?
 
@DeadMG Btw. I don't know what disease you have and if you require to have a particular medic/surgeon but I'm confident German doctors are very competent.
 
11:09 PM
@sbi It was a few days ago, I think.
 
@sehe y?
 
@user1690130 So how can I help you? Have you tried --overnight? Works here.
 
@DeadMG Come on, do iiiiitttt.
 
@NolwennLeGuen It's not competency that bothers me (since I have a fairly low opinion of the competency of the NHS)
 
sbi
@DeadMG Your sense of time is truly warped, if you think so.
 
11:09 PM
@sbi It was definitely not more than a couple of weeks. Definitely not months. One month ago I was still desperately crying for morphine, and two months ago I'd never heard of these people.
 
Meh, I'd like to add more sounds to a part of my interface but that means actually finding appropriate sound samples...
 
@AndreiTita fart.org
 
@NolwennLeGuen More like, what are the costs of the beaurocracy involved, and what are the costs of getting sufficient English translations.
 
Ell
NHS doctors are as competent as any other
 
Oh, English translations are gonna be difficult to get indeed...
 
Ell
11:11 PM
But maybe the fact that NHS is free has something to do with the reason of the services being limited
 
@NolwennLeGuen So far I'm using this as a default sound but I'll consider it.
 
sbi
@DeadMG You are right. I must have confused this with some other discussion we had. I apologize.
 
cause if the doc says "It's a permanent food allergy; live with it" then I'mma need to know exactly what that food is.
 
@NolwennLeGuen i don't know what that is. how about the power options props
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the lounge regulars on their newfound restraint in dealing with trolls and and plonk in silence. Really marvelous. Works a treat.
 
11:12 PM
@user1690130 The power options are set in powershell (like the name obviously hints). Have you looked into that?
 
sbi
@Ell If you have health insurance (which you can hardly avoid here), medical service is free in Germany. It's still not as abysmally bad as in England.
 
Ell
How much is health insurance?
 
42
 
Ell
Of course, silly question
 
sbi
It#s a nice angle you're shooting for there, insect, but it seems it's wasted time. I consider Tony a rather well-meaning and tolerant guy, so I see his advice in this case as very considerable.
@Ell If this means how much it costs: that depends on your income.
 
11:15 PM
@Ell IIRC, it's "Free if you earn below quite a large amount".
you know
 
Ell
I missed todays fact about air :(
 
instead of simply ignoring recurring emails from companies, I should unsubscribe from them.
 
@Ell lolll
 
@NolwennLeGuen Phew. I'm going to throw that message I had prepared in case things got out of hand :)
And with that, I great thee all, critters of the interwebs
 
@sehe troll's taking off. enjoy land. returning to water
 
11:18 PM
@sbi This is a sport for me. It's also not as wasted as a week in this school. :)
 
Ell
All you guys are putting me off uni, someone sensible tell me its right to go to school :P
 
@sehe Good night!
 
@NolwennLeGuen thanks for the help!! it was very useful
 
:) Also, class ^
 
@Ell school is very good!!
come to usa!!
 
11:20 PM
@Ell I'm not generalizing. My uni is particularly bad and it was a terrible mistake from my part. Some other schools are excellent, just make the good choice :)
@user1690130 I'm glad it was :) feel free to ask anything else if you need help
 
@Ell write a well-written C++ program, and you're far more likely to get hired from that than a 4 year degree.
 
sbi
@Ell Just pick it carefully. And remember: what comes after studying isn't always a piece of cake either.
It's not just university that makes you having to do tedious tasks, it's life.
 
@MooingDuck This is extremely country-dependant and is entirely false (sadly) here.
 
@Ell go to france! ecole polytechnique
 
@user1690130 Ecole polytechnique is not for programming.
 
sbi
11:21 PM
@MooingDuck Here, that's complete nonsense advice.
 
@Ell (I can only vouch for my claims in the area of NW USA)
 
@NolwennLeGuen but it is cheap, fun, and prestigious
 
sbi
@MooingDuck Of course, that's very helpful for a guy who lives in the same country as the puppy.
 
real programmers teach themselves programming their whole lives anyway.
 
I know this is the wrong room, but does anyone here by any chance know java?
 
11:21 PM
Cheap: yes (like all schools in France: they're free)
Fun: not so much
Prestigious: it's all relative
 
@DemCodeLines trolling?
:P
 
@DemCodeLines why are you asking here?
 
@DemCodeLines I think I've heard that name before, isn't it some oriental dance?
 
No, I need help and no one is there.
 
@NolwennLeGuen did you go?
 
11:22 PM
@user1690130 I wasn't interested. And I'm not good enough anyway.
 
sbi
@DemCodeLines I know it is impolite to ask, but are you perhaps a fucking dumbwit?
 
@NolwennLeGuen no.
 
it's fun.
 
Not really. It's a military school.
 
Ell
I want the uni experience as well, its not just about the learning. Not at all xD
 
11:23 PM
@sbi Asking a question on SO will take pretty long to answer, and no one is currently active in the Java room
 
@NolwennLeGuen trust me. it's fun. i've ben there. it' fun
 
hence I asked here, but I guess its pointless. Thanks for the help though.
 
@Ell /s/just//
 
Trust me. I know it better than you. It's not. You're probably mixing with Polytech. Or haven't studied there for long.
 
@Ell yes. i agree
 
11:23 PM
@DemCodeLines Ask me. I'll try to help.
 
@Ell go abroad
@Ell or cambridge
 
sbi
@DemCodeLines You have already wasted several minutes asking for a cake recipe at the butcher's, and you explain that with having not enough time?
 
chat needs some sort of etiquette for "requesting help/people in room YYY"
 
@Ell i hear cambridge is a blast, but other schools sound more fun
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen Yeah, right. I am sure you'll be very helpful.
 
11:24 PM
@sbi I'm almost tempted to flag this. As you should know perfectly well, the correct word is "dimwit".
 
@DemCodeLines i feel your pain
 
Ell
I can't just go to Cambridge, Cambridge is for exceptional people, I'm not exceptional
 
@DemCodeLines leave for you get banned from SO
 
@JerryCoffin "fuckwit" is also accepted
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Oh. In fact, I did not know this.
 
11:25 PM
@Ell then go abroad
 
@NolwennLeGuen Hahaha "try"
 
@sbi I am, on occasions.
 
Why would I get banned?
 
ASK your question before I decide to move onto something else
 
@DemCodeLines C++ is a crazy room. Go to another one.
 
11:25 PM
@sbi Ah, so I've accomplished something today.
 
sbi
@doug65536 Yeah, and usually they prove that they are able to do that by presenting their degree.
 
Ell
@sbi I like that cake recipe at a butchers analogy very much!
 
		try {
			albumart = ImageIO.read(new File("C:\\test.png"));
		}catch (IOException ioe) {}
		JLabel jlbalbumArt = new JLabel(new ImageIcon(albumart));
		jlbalbumArt.setBorder(BorderFactory.createLineBorder(Color.BLACK));
		jlbalbumArt.setPreferredSize(new Dimension(100,100));
 
@DemCodeLines try ASP
 
I need to show an image
 
11:26 PM
@DemCodeLines ASP people are nice
 
@MooingDuck Oh. I know where our friend is from. Is that the guy you kindly helped the other day?
 
except no matter what I set the preferredsize to, it doesn't change
 
@Ell Worth spending an application on it.
 
@NolwennLeGuen yews
 
@DemCodeLines now why would you post code here
 
Ell
11:26 PM
This is the first time trolls are actually agitating me >.< there is too much conversation noise
 
@NolwennLeGuen I helped him for four days, off an on, as patience allowed.
 
@Ell Plonk list
 
@DemCodeLines go to ASP before yo uget banne. you can post code there
 
@NolwennLeGuen Grudgingly, but yes I guess I'd accept that as well.
 
11:27 PM
@MooingDuck which one?
 
@sbi Is that how it works in your branch? I've typically had to take tests and show/discuss past work.
 
@DemCodeLines I think you're posting this in the wrong room
 
@MooingDuck You really shouldn't have to.
 
@user1690130 you
 
@DemCodeLines i'm warning you!! go before you gte banned
 
11:27 PM
I got an interview at Oxford
didn't get in, but it was worth it.
 
@MooingDuck :)
 
I am gone, hence I am not posting
 
Ell
Did you? Well done :D
 
@DemCodeLines What kind of layout are you using
 
in case you didn't realize
BoxLayout
 
11:28 PM
@NolwennLeGuen i love you too
 
@user1690130 Welcome to the club.
 
@MooingDuck thank you
@NolwennLeGuen what club?
 
sbi
@AndreiTita Oh, you do this here, too. Only most employers won't even consider your application unless you have a degree. Well, a decade or two worth of experience in the filed might replace that, but given their reluctance to hire people who didn't graduate, how are you gonna get that?
 
@NolwennLeGuen club of people C++ room hates?
 
@user1690130 The club of people who love me. Also goes by the name of Lounge<C++>
 
Ell
11:29 PM
My brother got a place at imperial if he got the grades. He got the grades in the subject s he thought he wouldn't, but coursework took his grade down in his most competent subject unfortunately
 
@NolwennLeGuen well. C++ hate me. but i love you
 
well what I'd say is
 
peace out girl scouts
 
unless they nerfed it, you get 5 applications to make.
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen If that is your idea of being loved, you really do need to get help, girl.
 
11:29 PM
i gotta suck some blood elsewhere
 
@DemCodeLines Are you absolutely certain.
 
@sbi Interesting, but I've heard that about Germany before (although it was in another field entirely). It's weirdly archaic.
 
so 1 for Ox/Cambridge, one for Your Shitty Local College which would never reject you, and three for the middle on varying levels of hope.
 
@sbi I know. :( I need help. I wish people around me realized.
 
sbi
11:31 PM
@AndreiTita Is it? Shrug. I don't think so. Why try if someone is a good learner who hasn't proven to do even basic learning, when you have enough applicants who have?
 
@user1690130 peace! be careful with the internet AIDS
 
@NolwennLeGuen Eh. My core experience is that nobody can help you. Either you get what you need yourself, or you do without.
 
@DeadMG That's my core experience too. You are always alone (that's life).
 
@NolwennLeGuen thanks! hopefully i don't bring it here!
 
ah, it's more than that
 
11:31 PM
@user1690130 We have it already.
 
when you're a child, then you're told that your parents and teachers and such are out to help and support you
 
@NolwennLeGuen :)
 
but if there's any real trouble, there's fuck all they can do about it.
it would be easier if they were just honest and said "Problem? Tough."
 
@DeadMG Actually, that's how I got raised.
 
11:32 PM
while(first != last) myvec.push_back(*first); //whooopsie
 
"You work for yourself and for noone else. Your problems are your own and the others cannot solve them for you."
However I am currently failing at solving my problems :-D
 
@sbi Well, one reason would be that you will miss out on 100% of college dropout geniuses (see eg. Gates, Zuckerberg) ;)
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen If the people around you realized when you need help, you wouldn't get into the situation you are in. I know quite well that there's moments where it is really hard to get up and out and seek help for yourself. But once you managed to hit the right buttons, there's people who do want to help you.
 
@MooingDuck Good argument for lazy evaluation.
 
@AndreiTita zuckerberg =fame WHORE
 
11:33 PM
@user1690130 So?
 
twitter progrmmers are genus
 
@user1690130 Please be consistent in your spacing
 
@JerryCoffin or std::copy, or std::vector::assign
 
there is no guarantee that a person with a degree is any good, and vice versa.
 
@NolwennLeGuen And indentation.
 
11:34 PM
@user1690130 genus don't use ruby & java
 
sbi
@AndreiTita And what would I miss? What do you know about them? Would you want one of those in your team? From what I know, I wouldn't.
 
@MooingDuck There you go getting all practical and shit. You obviously need a whole new language to deal with a simple thinko.
 
Ell
My mother says she doesn't have time for me having an eating disorder xD
 
@NolwennLeGuen zuckerberg kisses up to jersey
geniuses don't kiss up
 
@NolwennLeGuen you accidentally an i
 
11:35 PM
@user1690130 I don't know what that means.
 
i think
 
the state of new jersey
 
@Borgleader Nope. Check the message I reply to.
 
sbi
@Ell Of course, that is a certain way to prevent you from developing one. Shakes head.
 
he is obsessed but he's from long island & lives in cali.
 
11:35 PM
@NolwennLeGuen i can't I have him plonked
 
@user1690130 there's a new jersey?? is there a new guernesey too?
 
never lived in nj
 
the entitlement generation
 
@user1690130 long island. this name is hilarious
 
@doug65536 Of course not -- but people depend on it anyway.
 
11:36 PM
@Borgleader Okay. Well I didn't accidentally an i then
 
@Borgleader why not?
@doug65536 who is?
 
sbi
@doug65536 And nobody said so. When hiring, you're after correlations.
 
zucks obsessed with cory booker & chris christie & newark, nj.
 
@user1690130 Nobody does. It's the real source of zombie movies, games, etc.
 
@user1690130 only names ive never heard before. i take it this isn't french?
 
11:37 PM
@JerryCoffin so why is mz kissing up to nj?
 
@sbi I don't want to scare anyone
 
@user1690130 I haven't a clue (nor can I think of much about which I'd care less).
 
@NolwennLeGuen nj don't want the zucks. zucks can go play w/ the biebs.
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen Yeah, so just keep the lid on it while it tries to boil over. I am sure the results of that won't be scary at all.
 
winkelvoss twins are the geniuses
 
11:39 PM
@sbi You using irony? What has this world come to.
 
Ell
Further maths exam tomorrow, I know I will not do well in it because I'm bone idle (another reason I don't think uni is a good use of money)
 
@Ell :( math is beautiful :)
 
@NolwennLeGuen The ape is full of surprises
 
Ell
It's statistics >.<
 
I feel your pain
 
11:40 PM
@Ell i lov stats!! you should hvae told me
 
@Ell I always hated that part of math ^^
 
i'd FINLALLY have omething to contribute to people here
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen I bet I was using irony when you... Oh well, let's just say your parents hadn't even met yet.
 
i love law of large numbers
 
@sbi It probably would have been better both for them and me...
 
11:42 PM
Postponed windows restart came up half a second before I pressed enter. FML.
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen Well, we'd been robbed of some fun here, though. And given the importance some here assign this room, that'd be quite sad to them, huh?
 
@Ell I love statistics :) They really show how common sense is sometimes utterly wrong. (My favorite "bizarrerie" is the Monty Hall problem!)
 
Ell
I like the probability aspect, suchc as the birthday problem. But not the mean and standard deviation and normal distribution :o
 
i prefer the stats prt
 
@sbi Another would have fulfilled this function :)
 
11:43 PM
i love regression
 
Ell
I'll look up the Monty hall problem
 
i love matrix algebraa
 
@NolwennLeGuen Just about got in a fight once over that.
 
The Monty Hall problem is a probability puzzle loosely based on the American television game show Let's Make a Deal and named after the show's original host, Monty Hall. The problem, also called the Monty Hall paradox, is a veridical paradox because the result appears impossible but is demonstrably true. The Monty Hall problem, in its usual interpretation, is mathematically equivalent to the earlier Three Prisoners problem, and both bear some similarity to the much older Bertrand's box paradox. The problem was originally posed in a letter by Steve Selvin to the American Statistician in 19...
@JerryCoffin How?
 
Ell
Ohh yeah we did that in lesson
 
sbi
11:44 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Yeah, but his parents never met, so we're stuck with you. :)
 
Ell
It's very interesting
 
@sbi @sbi That was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. More seriously, I suppose I am biased because I'm in the "education system is broken" camp, but I think that a very small number of types of degrees are actually useful for gauging someone's professional skills. What the rest do varies; I'd say that BSc degrees in particular can be mostly discarded as useless.
 
@Ell Cambridge is for people who know what a fucking comma is.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hehehe I know what a fucking coma is
 
mm "bizarrerie" excellent word
 
11:45 PM
the source of the problem is that nobody knows what you did or didn't do for your degree
 
sbi
@AndreiTita Where're you from?
 
you can't look at someone's degree and check the examinations they did
 
@NolwennLeGuen I saw that coming, and I'm not sure if I should be proud or disturbed.
 
they're totally closed
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A jumping point?
 
11:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is it a loanword in English too?
 
@sbi Romania. Spent some time in the UK.
 
that guy yesterday is a perfect example: they forced him to insert into an array by copying everything down "manually". Then people will "like" to do it that way (wrong) because they are accustomed to it
 
sbi
@AndreiTita And that broken education system you're referring to is in which of the two countries?
 
@AndreiTita That's not disturbing. Or if it is, then you clearly haven't spent much time on the internets!
 
@NolwennLeGuen no
 
sbi
11:48 PM
Well, looking around this apartment, and thinking about that I will have to feed a bunch of neighbors and a politician here in way too few hours, I think I should go to bed, so I'll be fit enough tomorrow morning to get up early and fix this mess. Yawns.
Good night, folks!
 
Good night, Obélix!
 
@NolwennLeGuen er, turns out, yes
 
@sbi As far as I can tell it's a global thing. Strictly from personal experience, it seemed much better in the UK.
 
@NolwennLeGuen TIL
 
sbi
@NolwennLeGuen Uh oh. What have I done?! I should have kept my moth shut.
 
11:49 PM
@sbi Gn.
Guess I'll sleep too.
 
@doug65536 how would you do it?
 
@sbi Oh, I hadn't seen that pun for moths!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a container class
 
@doug65536 oh right yes
@doug65536 didn't realise changing containers was an option
 
Ell
This doesn't apply to medical degrees of course, as all are equal no matter what university
 
11:51 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Somebody flat-out would not believe the truth, and before I realized it he was getting pretty worked up.
@sbi G'night.
 
Ell
@sbi nighty night
 
There are two problems with the MH problem: one, that someone might want a goat (say, they are living in isolation on a mountaintop reachable by footpaths only; also, they hate money) and two, that the fucking default formulation (as shown on wikipedia) does not actually explain that the host purposefully picks out the goat door.
 
@AndreiTita The English wikipedia has a terrible formulation indeed.
 

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