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1:00 PM
Wow, thanks
Now i feel slightly less retarded
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes While writing the Requires clause I got me thinking that TupleLike<T> can be IntegralConstant<TupleSize<T>> + TupleElement<I, T> for I in [0, TupleSize<T>). (And I figure implementing that with indices is not out of reach, either.) No aliases needed.
 
You need to add "exists" tests on that, but it sounds like it could work.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ^ apparently I mucked something up about the \addLyrics syntax and I don't wanna find right now (Also, the operator was \`, not //` xD) //care /cc @Ell
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Wait, wasn't cata next, not ana? :P
 
@Xeo I needed to relax.
 
1:02 PM
@Xeo Cata is trivial.
It's std::accumulate.
 
Xeo
I know
 
Ell
I want some junk fooood
 
Just junk some real food
 
Xeo
@Ell We got Pizza here at work. :D
 
We had Rotmeerbarb or something.
 
user1357851
1:04 PM
I think I made some more enemies in real life recently
 
I ate at mac, but now i regret it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah it's annoying, all those things need to actually be e.g. concepts::TupleSize. I don't think I even have a real TupleSize.
 
@Telkitty how so?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Shot their parents.
 
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@BartekBanachewicz I am a bit ... umm talktive, too many suggestions and too blunt
 
1:05 PM
Like me, pretty much.
 
I hacked in nullopt real fast, I think I finally really need it.
If anything though I'd name it empty_optional!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Understandably
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Nothing!
 
@Telkitty You throw cats in their face IRL too?
 
Xeo
So, annex::range::ana expects a functor that returns an optional, and if that is ever Nothing, the range is over?
 
user1357851
1:08 PM
<shameless_self_promotion>But it does not matter, for I believe I have skills, I need no one but good luck to succeed :p </shameless_self_promotion>
 
Hello there
 
Requires<
    is_callable<Functor&, void(Seed)>
    // Optional<ResultOf<Functor&(Seed)>>
    // TupleLike<ValueType<ResultOf<Functor&(Seed)>>>
    // TupleElement<1, ValueType<ResultOf<Functor&(Seed)>>>>
>...
 
Ohai.
 
It's a WIP. Many decisions to make.
 
1:08 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Howdy.
 
@LucDanton This is a terrible way of saying hello
 
Alone on Valentine's Day? Sorry I was unable to find true love for you.
 
Hi @Nolwenn
 
@NolwennLeGuen Where were you when I wanted to link you this?
 
@LucDanton Oh the horror
 
1:10 PM
lol
> un mois après le lancement de sa formule «Casse-croûte».
 
Serves you right in retribution of whatever horror you once linked to me that I don't exactly remember was about except that I wanted to take revenge on you for it!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh hey that's Imbiss in German!
 
I want an octree.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow, so it was a fake all along? a pure show made up by the fucking journalists?
@BartekBanachewicz Make one!
@LucDanton I don't remember either but I hope it was horrible.
 
@Nolwenn nice to see you again, school got too bad to resist complaining about it again?
 
I actually had a nervous breakdown yesterday in course
 
1:13 PM
@LucDanton Maybe that canapé thing?
 
I'm now running out of energy for complaints
@R.MartinhoFernandes Aaaaah yes!! Canapi!
 
@NolwennLeGuen o_0 well then.. that is certainly a thing
 
@NolwennLeGuen Erm. What was that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, I totally remember now. No need to bring it up further.
 
@NolwennLeGuen I am going to. They are damn sexy.
 
1:14 PM
ah you saying Canapi as in the food thing, or the tent like thing?
@BartekBanachewicz I am just going to assume you really want a poly-tree
 
@thecoshman The teacher asked me whether her course was pissing me off (in a vulgar tone) or if I just wasn't able to do the exercise. I said "both" and then proceeded to cry. Not very productive.
A gauche ~ des canapés
A droite ~ des canapééés
auuiteséquendeuvindeu
 
@NolwennLeGuen I can confirm that was indeed a break down. If you had managed to hold off the tears until just after you stormed out, it could have been very bad ass
 
@thecoshman I did actually
 
@NolwennLeGuen oh, well, bad ass :D
 
1:16 PM
I'm not too sure :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes You didnt answer my question!
 
@NolwennLeGuen did you get half way home to discover you had actually ripped you <lower body coverings of choice> off and they are still stuck to your chair back at school?
 
:7723176i wastalking about data structure, yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not food related!
 
@NolwennLeGuen It's okay to be honest. It's not anybody's fault that the teacher stepped right on the sensitive spot. You passed the "Am-I-Human" test for today!
 
@BartekBanachewicz spaces help :P
 
1:17 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Well, seems so.
 
@thecoshman look who's talking
 
@sehe I wish I wouldn't pass that test
 
Not that surprising, I have to say.
 
@NolwennLeGuen Bah, you're Lounge girl, that's totally badass by itself
 
lol, Lounge Girl.
 
1:18 PM
:<
 
@NolwennLeGuen Try some captchas instead
 
Anyway I have like 3 months to get pro at C++. Time to get working.
 
@NolwennLeGuen How's that? For job applications or for.... schoololol?!
 
@NolwennLeGuen Aren't you already? last time i've checked, you were better than me?
 
Xeo
1:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The question is: Does that mean much? :3
 
@sehe Job applications! I want to work in companies where they're all C++ gods like you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well you must be terrible :D
 
Xeo
@NolwennLeGuen Be ready for a punch in the face with those expectations.
 
I'm ready.
But willing to get better.
 
user1357851
1:20 PM
@NolwennLeGuen I used to work in a company like that coz the pay was good, I was like ... the newb, literally >_<
 
I want to work for MMO developers :(
But they don't hire non-geniuses
 
Xeo
@NolwennLeGuen I meant that there are no places where everyone is a "C++ god".
 
So yeah
 
@NolwennLeGuen Erm. We don't actually do much C++. I do get to pick (hunt) nice C++ projects but that's ... outside the portfolio (still, out of 15 years, at least 7 were C++ so I'm proving the world wrong :))
 
@Xeo It's to emphasize that my C++ level is nowhere near "hireable" for these companies.
 
1:21 PM
@Xeo Oh, I am extraordinally talented, isn't that obvious? :) jk, of course, but I am considerably younger, mind it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Age is sadly not an excuse in CS. You'll find people 6 months old who can make an entire OS.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You're 1 year younger than me, from what I can see. :3
 
@NolwennLeGuen At the right rate, you're always hireable
 
@sehe Still, you're good. I don't understand half of what Martinho says (even when it's not C++). Jk.
 
user1357851
@NolwennLeGuen I beg to differ
 
1:22 PM
Keep on begging
 
I'll make CicadaLang and become a guru.
Then everyone will hire me.
 
@NolwennLeGuen My English is terrible, I know.
 
@sehe ooh, clever
 
@NolwennLeGuen OH gawd, you too?
 
Xeo
@NolwennLeGuen The Puppy can confirm that works.
 
1:23 PM
@NolwennLeGuen don't infalte his ego
 
@Xeo So you don't think I'll more or less catch up with your current knowledge in a year or two? I am learning OpenGL at the same time, and it doesnt exactly help my Cpp development.
 
@Xeo That sarcasm
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Expect the new in a few months. My rep will finally skyrocket. Not ;_;
 
@thecoshman fyi: you is plural too
 
@NolwennLeGuen Everyone and their dog (literally) is doing that these days.
 
1:24 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Theres still a lot of places where your knowledge would be more than enough
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know, this is precisely why I said it! everything is planned
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I never meant to imply I was any better than you. In fact, I'm sure there are places where you know more about C++ than I do. Also, the original "bashing" of your knowledge was in response to how you worded your knowledge.
 
@NolwennLeGuen help with kyrostat :) you need something for portfolio if you want to get into games (and I would actually appreciate if you could just attempt to run it under linux to see what if any errors you get)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yup. But not where I want to go (I think).
 
@BartekBanachewicz That /cc @Cicada
However, why the preoccupation with C++? Because CUDA?
 
1:25 PM
oh my... is kyrostat still alive?
 
@thecoshman inb4 "Commit 456efbc by CatPlusPlus: rolled back Cicada's changes because she's retarded"
 
hahahaha kyrostat
 
Xeo
@Abyx For low values of "alive".
 
user1357851
@sehe That's why pissing people off, especially well connected people does not seem to work :x
 
@Abyx The intensive care kind of alive.
 
user1357851
1:25 PM
You might be a genius, but there are a bunch of them. They will win - quantity matters. If you don't believe me, try kick boxing.
 
Well I did work on private servers a few years ago but idk if that counts as experience.
 
@Xeo Now, you are being too humble, of course. I still have loads to learn.
 
@Xeo yeah, like a frozen frog probably
 
@NolwennLeGuen "private servers"? You mean you worked on inhouse software (for research IIRC)?
 
No, on illegal mmo servers. You know, you steal the server exes (or make an emulator), and host you own copy of the mmo. Either for profit or fun.
 
Xeo
1:27 PM
@sehe I would more guess "private servers" means "emulation software for MMO servers", like private WoW and Ragnarök Online servers.
Damn, slow Interweb
 
@sehe no, it's "pirate servers"
 
@NolwennLeGuen well, a) cat has more or less given up on c++ b) you would not be committing to main, only creating pull requests c) I just would like you to run it for the now d) you are surely not that stupid :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice way of saying it
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Exhibit A on d): ThePhD works on it too.
 
@Abyx it's like most projects, very slow going with only one thing
 
1:28 PM
@Xeo o u
 
@TonyTheLion A country you'll never visit, I suppose.
 
@TonyTheLion Tony would explode from the back-pressure
 
@TonyTheLion > We have to be able to discuss a ban on violent pornography
 
@TonyTheLion tony erectile effectively barred
 
Ell
@NolwennLeGuen how do you steal the server exe?
 
Xeo
1:29 PM
@LucDanton I feel like bashing other people today based on how they evaluate themselves.
 
@Ell You hack into the servers.
 
@Ell or an employee leaks it
 
Xeo
@NolwennLeGuen Or someone leaks the exe
Like happened with RO
 
That happens too.
Well, RO has an emu too.
 
Congratulations! You are the one millionth person to ask this question on stackoverflow :) ! — us2012 8 mins ago
 
1:31 PM
@NolwennLeGuen, btw you can learn Java and write server emulators
 
@Abyx ===>[]
 
Xeo
@NolwennLeGuen eAthena, which was based on the originally leaked Athena software.
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@NolwennLeGuen WTF is that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Get out"
 
Xeo
1:32 PM
My programming experience pretty much started writing some scripts for that.
 
@Xeo I worked with the current project lead of OpenKore if that sounds familiar to you. I learned a lot!
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Xeo
@NolwennLeGuen Sorry, doesn't ring a bell. :/
 
1:33 PM
It's a headless client for RO.
 
Xeo
I see
 
Mainly for botting.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I love how Bart found the time to answer this important question
 
Ell
@NolwennLeGuen have you ever hacked into a server?
RO?
 
Not in RO.
 
Ell
1:36 PM
I'm still trying to write a bot for puzzle pirates xD
 
TIL coliru doesnt work on ipad. Back to vim then.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz ~~frames~~
 
> ipad
 
user142019
Frames are bad and @StackedCrooked should feel bad.
 
Ell
I wonder if someone could implement the AS lstandard library in javascript
 
user142019
1:38 PM
I don't.
 
@Ell AS?
 
Xeo
ActionScript
I guess
AS sucks, btw.
 
Ell
Actionscript, to convince people to move to html5 and js from flash
 
@Zoidberg Its more javascript thingy. I need a bluetooth keyboard
 
@Ell does html5 include all features of flash?
 
user142019
1:41 PM
@Abyx I'm only unsure about webcam.
 
user142019
Everything else is supported AFAIK if you include WebGL.
 
@Abyx I'm not too sure.
 
Webgl is nice, but i really would like to see lua in browsers
 
python > lua
 
@Abyx probably not, at least, not in a way that most flash devs would know
 
user142019
1:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Use Emscripten to compile Lua interpreter to JavaScript problem solved.
 
@Ell it would be a nice idea
 
@Abyx why do you say that so bluntly
 
What should I call a building brick like concepts::ValueType<T> that's a precursor to actual, fully-fledged concepts? E.g., Iterator<T> is a useful concepts that has semantics attached to it, some of them involving typename std::iterator_traits<T>::value_type (which I like to shorten to ValueType<U>). ValueType<T> doesn't have semantics on its own though so I wouldn't want to call it a concept.
 
user142019
@NolwennLeGuen He smoked too many blunts.
 
@NolwennLeGuen because I know that.
 
1:42 PM
@LucDanton How about brick
 
@abyx they are uncomparable. Pears and oranges
 
That's as useful as calling it axiom or primitive. Actually axiom isn't too bad.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz both fruits.
 
user142019
So comparable.
 
Ell
I hate how people say it's like apples and oranges, because to me apples and orange (or pears and oranges) are very much comparable
 
1:43 PM
@LucDanton Hence brick isn't too bad either. No need to thank me.
 
@Ell I think it is meant to be more that they are distinctly different, unless you get pointlessly vauge
 
@Ell What people mean more formally is "you can't compare two objects that are not of the same type"
 
user142019
lol just naming a completely random thing in your code base "brick".
 
user142019
@NolwennLeGuen I cannot?
 
@Zoidberg yeah I was thinking that
 
user142019
1:44 PM
42 == true
 
Exactly what cicada said
 
@Zoidberg You convert.
 
user142019
inb4 PHP
 
@Zoidberg Implicit conversion.
 
Just change cant to shouldnt
 
user142019
1:45 PM
@NolwennLeGuen BOTH ARE OBJECTS
 
Zoidberg can't inb4
 
user142019
And apples and pears are also both fruits, and fruit is a type of object, so voila.
 
@Zoidberg Then you should compare them only as deep as their most specific common type.
 
implicit conversion sucks. python ftw.
 
Which is generally not interesting.
 
user142019
1:46 PM
You're not interesting either.
 
@tony can you give us that rage comic again from this morning?
 
user142019
@Abyx s/python/Haskell/
 
Btw it's written voilà*, for your personal culture.
 
interesting ^
 
@Zoidberg what is Haskell?
 
1:46 PM
@thecoshman lemme find it
 
@Zoidberg So we do have a common point!
 
user142019
@Abyx a language that completely lacks implicit conversions.
 
@NolwennLeGuen since when was * a character in words?
 
Wikipedia suggests that some concept proposal may already have co-opted 'axiom' for something else.
 
@LucDanton You could still call it rattle I guess.
 
1:48 PM
@Zoidberg ah... another language noone ever heard of
 
user142019
Except me, hence I'm awesome.
 
@Abyx More people use Haskell than people use the B-method. Which I currently am being taught at. (<= weird english structure)
 
@Zoidberg something about driving down roads, and all the other cars are coming at you...
 
6 hours ago, by Tony The Lion
user image
 
@NolwennLeGuen 'B-method'?
@TonyTheLion thanks, have another star :P
 
user142019
1:49 PM
 
user142019
B is a programming language.
 
And PHP
 
user142019
You mean A+?
 
1:50 PM
THERE I SAID IT
 
No. Just no.
 
user142019
BAN
 
cringe
 
@Zoidberg if you think every one else is wrong, chances are it is actually you
 
user142019
Or not.
 
1:51 PM
I bet LabView language is more popular than both Haskell and that B-thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm still baffled by that article. The guys at Tesla must be in such a rage right now.
 
@NolwennLeGuen ts;dr
 
@Abyx Who cares?
 
user142019
Who cares about popularity of a language.
 
Also, probably not.
 
1:52 PM
@NolwennLeGuen "B-method"?
 
well, I don't care about haskell
 
@sehe Please don't make this more difficult than it already is.
 
user142019
I don't care about LabView and B-method.
 
WHAT THE FUCK is the B-Method???
 
And rightly so. I visited WP
 
1:52 PM
BMETHOD WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD
 
FUCK B-ANYTHING
 
@TonyTheLion Link is a few posts above
@TonyTheLion B-OOBIES
B-ITCHES
oh that actually makes sense
 
user142019
B-ETA TROLLS
 
B-20
 
user142019
LIT-B
 
1:54 PM
@NolwennLeGuen It was so unfair...
 
ok children, that's quite enough
moving on
 
user142019
let it =
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's more than unfair it's a complete setup / lie!
 
@Zoidberg what is it? Basic?
 
user142019
1:55 PM
{-# LANGUAGE CPP #-}

#define be =

main :: IO ()
main = do
    let it be 42
    print it
 
@NolwennLeGuen zsorry about that
 
@NolwennLeGuen I am particularly fond of this company since I learned about Elon.
 
@NolwennLeGuen mind sending that again later?
 
user142019
Bookmark you lazy fuck.
 
1:58 PM
says lobster boy?
 
@thecoshman I'll try to remember to!
 
@NolwennLeGuen looks like I'm not watching that vid then :P
 
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