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3:00 PM
for example, for an index buffer, you'd want gpu_buffer<int> or something
 
@thecoshman Not at all
 
for a vertex buffer, you'd be better off with gpu_buffer<std::tuple<...>>
 
@kbok slap them, slap them now, slap them hard
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean like, after all the features are written
 
then you can automatically generate the vertex declaration from the contents of the tuple.
 
3:00 PM
@Chimera But there's whole blocks of like 30 minutes in which you do nothing but wait for the washer/dryer to finish
 
hm, that's neat I guess
 
sbi
@Papergay And I think it does. Morality is something a society agrees upon. If you would consider it immoral to own slaves in a society that considers it fine to do so (a very hypothetical situation, because how would you ever come to consider it immoral?) and you would go from door to door and free them, it would be considered immoral by the society, no matter what your believes are.
 
And folding laundry takes like 8 seconds when there's two people doing it
 
@thecoshman I was alone against two others so I figured I'd ask here if I was retarded or something
 
@Collin that's true. For some reason I just don't like doing it. I think the folding part.
 
3:01 PM
@melak47 It's the obvious solution.
 
@Collin Oh, people fold it?
 
@sbi so why did slavery end in America? Some one clearly felt it was wrong, despite every one being ok with it
 
Damn, I knew I was doing something wrong.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do now that I'm married
 
for one, you obviously have a need to store shit on the GPU, and you know the type of that shit.
and secondly, it's blatantly similar to the exact same thing found in the Standard lib
 
3:01 PM
@kbok ಠ_ಠ
 
screw std::tuple, double vertices[3] FTW
:-)
 
sbi
@kbok There are sayings that you should limit the number of public class members to something between 5 and 10 (depending on who says it). (Note that this doesn't include overloads etc.)
 
@thecoshman You don't think the society changed?
@Chimera Problem is, a vertex is not a triplet of doubles.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Society gradually changed.
 
3:02 PM
It can has lots of other data, including ints and stuff.
Hence tuple.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes last I checked, slavery is considered wrong in America... thus it changed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was a joke... :-)
 
A bad one perhaps.
 
People do laundry every week?
 
3:04 PM
I do
 
@sbi I think nothing good will ever come out of arbitrary limits.
 
@TonyTheLion good lord!
 
pretty impressive eh
 
sbi
@Chimera Do the laundry when you're on your own with a bunch of kids. I usually do the laundry at night, when we sleep, or during the day, when we're away. All the "supportive tasks" (drying, folding, putting it into wardrobes) I do casually, while I harass the kids to finish their breakfast, or to grab their pajamas and go to the bathroom and wash themselves.
@CatPlusPlus I do anything between 5 and 10 machines per week.
 
@sbi Get the kids to do it!
Isn't that what kids are for?
 
3:06 PM
@sbi I think that if an action is conforming with the societies norms, then it can be considered moral. an individual may act conforming to his own set of morality, which does not need to be conforming to the societies norms, and thus act immoral from the view of the society. your rhetorical question regarding your hypothetical statement may be possible in a multi.societal environment. if there is only one society with only one set of norms, i would agree with you.
 
@sbi woah
 
Society takes the fun out of everything.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You'd do when you'd have as many people in your household as I have.
 
@sbi I know, I'm being a weanie.
 
@TonyTheLion My wife's family only uses towels once, I can't imagine the amount of laundry they go through
 
3:07 PM
@TonyTheLion Thats a pretty shitty video.
 
I do laundry once a month, tops.
 
I don't think I have that many shirts
 
@sbi I will agree with you that canonical definition of 'stealing' and 'theft' do not apply that well to the digital medium. However, I fell the principle is still the same. You are taking something with out paying for it, something you where expected to pay for it. And I believe to to be an immoral thing to do
 
@DeadMG why do you even bother to come say that? What do you want me to say? If I have try post anything that you won't find shitty in some way, I'll have a very hard time of it.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Shrug. That's only if the kids are with me. If they are with their mothers, I do between 1 (just me) and 3 (leftovers from when they were with me).
 
3:08 PM
argh. how can I stop the chat scrolling into nothingness
 
@TonyTheLion I don't expect you to say anything. It's merely my opinion. It doesn't require a response.
 
@sbi right
 
Its a great video! Amazing product.
 
@DeadMG it just pisses me off that you never have anything better to say than "it shitty or it sucks".
 
actually, I was planning on writing something more elaborate
but I got distracted by some TV I had open on my other screen
 
3:10 PM
if everything is that shitty, then why don't you make it better yourself?
 
Being critical of the content you consume is not a bad thing.
 
Because I don't have that much time.
 
sbi
@Chimera I have, just a two weeks ago, discussed this with a cousin, who also cares for two kids. We agreed that it's only those without kids who say things like "I can't meet you on Saturday, because I have to do the laundry then." With kids, you quickly learn to do the laundry on the side, without it actually stealing you time. That said, I, too, dread folding. That's by far my least favorite household chore.
 
@DeadMG had 'open' your screen :O
 
And you really don't have to whiteknight Internet videos.
 
3:10 PM
because I have neither the time nor the requisite resources
 
Unless you made it.
 
@CatPlusPlus indeed, having an opinion is what makes it worth watching
 
but if you want to consider a similarly themed video that I do not find shitty, then consider the Google Chrome rendering speed video.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes They do help sometimes. If it's my oldest, this even speeds up the process. :-/
 
@sbi Yeah, I don't have kids yet. I suppose when I do I will learn to do as you have and do it on the side.
 
3:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus one thing is being critical and another is downright making nothing of most anything you see with saying "it's shitty". That's beyond just sensible critisism
 
that is an excellent video in a similar vein.
 
Most content on Internet is low effort crap. That comes with availability.
 
@TonyTheLion Sturgeon's Law, I'm afraid.
 
I don't dread folding, but I can't ever do it right.
 
@CatPlusPlus did you even watch the video in question we're talking about?
 
3:12 PM
No, I don't really care about it.
 
then WTF?
 
@sbi I love how hard kids work at helping you and just make a mess of things :P
 
@DeadMG TIL
 
at least they try, the light blighters
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rfold or lfold?
 
sbi
3:12 PM
@Papergay "I think that if an action is conforming with the societies norms, then it can be considered moral." So morality is a social thing, rather than an individual one. It's the society you grow up in, that forms your moral believes. (I agree with most of the rest of what you wrote.)
 
It's not relevant to what I'm saying.
 
@sbi I think the best approach would be for my wife and I to do a load a day, then it wouldn't be a pain in the ass because we wouldn't be spending hours doing it.
 
@StackedCrooked foldl', you pagan.
 
sbi
@Collin "...she goes through." FTFY.
 
My Haskell tutorial has been too long ago.
 
3:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hang what you can, everything else stuff in draws
 
You should learn some more Haskell.
 
I did YAHT in 2006.
 
@TonyTheLion I think that's the law to which I refer.
 
Did you know that some people iron clothes?
 
@thecoshman I just stuff things in my closet.
 
3:14 PM
Now that's crazy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes close enough
@CatPlusPlus my mum irons under wear... seriously
 
@DeadMG I had never heard of it, until now
 
@sbi True true, although she comes from a family of 4 girls, laundry was actually pretty communal. Actually, I've seen her dad chip in quite a bit. He can't cook anything though, so it doesn't make it even :-P
 
@CatPlusPlus I used to, gave up
shirts occasionally, when absolutely necessary
 
@CatPlusPlus You mean, they make clothes out of iron?
 
3:15 PM
It's never necessary.
 
maybe not in your life
 
@TonyTheLion I think the last time I ironed a shirt was before my interview at my current job.. I was horrible at it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think he means they put a layer of iron over it.
 
So, when is it necessary?
 
@Collin someone taught me how to do it, but I don't know if I remember.
 
3:16 PM
Hint: nobody notices. Nobody cares.
 
@TonyTheLion In any case, I absolutely can recognize the 10% which is not crap when I see it, and I do my best to have reasonable causes for describing something as shitty. The incidence rate of each, though, is quite out of my control.
 
And ironing is undone in the first 15 minutes of wearing that thing.
Utter waste of time.
 
@TonyTheLion The ironing part is reasonably easy, but getting the pattern down so it doesn't take like 5 hours is my problem
 
@DeadMG hmm, but how can I neatly template the type of buffer it should be? i.e. index, vertex, instance, constant buffer
 
@CatPlusPlus job interviews, formal gatherings
 
3:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus Hint: Employers do. Employers do
 
sbi
@Chimera I set my washing machine so that it starts at 3am, which means it's done at 5:45 when I get up. I then have 10mins to hang the stuff to dry. I then take another 5mins to prepare another machine that is finished when I come from work. Then I fold the stuff from the morning for 15mins (man, I hate that!), bully the kids to put it into their wardrobes themselves, hang the new machine to dry, and clean the mess the small kids made when trying to put away their clothes...
In the end, I spent less than an hour to do two machines in 24hrs.
 
@thecoshman No, they don't.
 
@Collin Meh, I don't care. If you don't want to hire me because my shirt has a couple of folds, I don't want to work for you.
 
@melak47 Some you can determine by type.
 
And if they do good lord get out of there.
 
3:17 PM
I don't think your vertex buffer contains matrices, or your instance buffer will be pure integers.
 
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ how many professional jobs have you got in your life?
 
It's not something a reasonable person will care about.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In hindsight I probably could have dressed down quite a bit from what I did and been fine
 
@thecoshman One.
 
@thecoshman I don't want to work for those.
 
3:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes they shouldn't base hiring decisions on that, but it's the initial impression it makes on them that's important
 
sbi
@Collin Why would laundry be harder if it were 4 boys? (FWIW, my 2nd wife said she'd gladly do the laundry if I'd do the cooking.)
 
@DeadMG how do I distinguish between vertex and instance though, both could be touples of pretty much anything
 
Which I was headhunted for because of my skills, not because of my clothes.
 
And I care the same about my hair and my beard.
 
@TonyTheLion It makes the impression that you think that they're shallow fucks.
 
3:18 PM
Fucking shaving.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not a concious thing. looking scruffy will make them think bad about, even with out realising it.
 
oh WTF
 
@melak47 Pass an extra template parameter.
 
I don't ever comb my hair, I just pull it with my hand out of my eyes, and out of my ears because it annoys.
 
@thecoshman yep
 
3:19 PM
@sbi Eh, the girls part was an unintentional non-sequiter, I should have said that everyone in their house did quite a bit of laundry
 
I also only shave when it starts annoying the hell out of me.
 
I don't even have a comb.
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, so no interviews
 
I just watched a video titled "The most security door in the world. I Have EVER Seen !!!"
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have the same attitude, but (1) I dress up a little bit for a job interview and (2) I don't want to work with customers. If you have to do the latter, that attitude will cost you the job.
 
3:19 PM
I recently bought a comb because it was getting too long.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tell me about it :P as in, don't I know the pain
 
and it's basically turkish men hitting a door.
 
@thecoshman I delay shaving a lot, because I know I'm going to cut myself.
 
@sbi i would rather say that it has an individual nature but it is being realized when individuals come together in societal manners. considering it a societal thing just because you would not need it elseway does not sound profound to me. the individual morality is simply what i call the origin of norms in a society. talking about morality while only looking at the norms of a society is a no-go (imo), since they can be reshaped over time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes your doing it wrong
 
3:20 PM
@thecoshman Why?
 
any way, time for me to head home
 
Shave electrically.
 
35 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@thecoshman I delay shaving a lot, because I know I'm going to cut myself.
 
@sbi Oh, yeah, I don't want to work with customers either.
 
me neither
 
3:20 PM
if you are shaving correctly, you should not cut your self, maybe the odd knick if you are unlucky
 
@StackedCrooked You're crazy? Have you tried shaving centimetre-long beard with an electric razor?
 
@thecoshman Bah, I put that in the same bullshit drawer as 90% of the "body language" crap.
 
@thecoshman Cutting implements + me = self harm. Can't help it.
 
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬
any way, time for bus!
 
IF I PUT MY HANDS LIKE THAT I MEAN THAT. No, I don't, fuck you.
 
3:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I haven't. I've never let it get that far.
 
If you shave with an electric razor you must do it regularly. I don't want to waste time on that.
I'd rather taste my blood. It's sweet.
 
I never want to shave again.
It's painful and pointless.
 
Grow ALL THE BEARDS
 
If there were implants stopping hair growth, I'd buy them.
 
lol
take female hormones?
 
3:23 PM
@StackedCrooked Well, take my advice and don't let it get that far. Because you will regret it deeply.
 
you'd get rid of that beard quickly, but boobs :P
 
I'm pretty sure females grow hair, too.
I'm not just talking about the beard
 
but not a beard
 
@TonyTheLion Boobs are a disadvantage?
 
@CatPlusPlus There's some stuff that is supposed to stop hair from growing on female legs. Perhaps you can try that.
 
3:24 PM
Beard I can trim on my own.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes depends on point of view
 
@TonyTheLion That destroys your ability to think logically faster than it removes your beard.
 
I'd like to freeze head hair growth in place.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe that's not a bad thing.
 
3:25 PM
@CatPlusPlus animals don't seem to have the hair growing longer issue humans do
find what causes that and maybe you can use it :P
 
Human hair doesn't grow infinitely either.
 
@TonyTheLion I think that's shedding
 
@CatPlusPlus Hmm...it would have some good points, but consider what people would think of you when you said: "PHP Rocks!"
 
@TonyTheLion Well, maybe it is bad if you want to keep focused on anything. I can imagine it... "Yeah, and then I need to refactor this... oh boobs..." three minutes later "where am I? Oh yeah, at work. So, what was I doing... oh boobs..."
2
 
@JerryCoffin Ignorance is bliss.
 
3:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I usually am like that.
 
@DeadMG You have boobs?
 
yes
nice perky ones
 
3:26 PM
Moobs.
 
sbi
@Papergay I think you're looking at this from the wrong angle. Evolutionary, humans never existed as individuals, we've been social animals at least since we were apes (and that's like a third or even half of the time since the end of the dinosaur era). Humans always depended on the group, humans alone could not survive for long. Of course, in order to live in a group, you will have to decide on certain norms. That's what's called morality.
We are now enough humans and sufficiently progressed enough that your society can have strange forms (like half it being scattered all over the world, and the people living in your street not being included much), but that doesn't change the underlying principle: You have to roughly agree on a moral system with the people you are dealing with in your daily life.
 
Why don't people have software-enforced rules about the build working before a commit?
 
@CatPlusPlus Here I was just thinking: "Ignorance is...ummmm...ummmmm...", but now you went and ruined it.
 
sbi
3:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus Actually that's wrong for the hair on your head and for beards. Both grow infinitely. It's only that the tips split and break, which prevents it from getting infinitely long.
 
I really need cut my tips.
It's been two years.
 
@KianMayne Many organizations have systems in place that will prevent a commit if the unit tests don't all pass.
 
Oh right
 
@CatPlusPlus Don't make me dig out that Rock Paper Cynic comic again.
 
sbi
3:32 PM
@CatPlusPlus I only read yesterday that scientists have found out that there are minimal changes in the female face (which only computers can detect and about which they have yet to find rules) which come with the fertile phase of the female cycle. When they take those changes from a picture of a woman taken while she was fertile and apply them to a picture of the same woman taken while she was not fertile, men will find the picture more attractive.
 
@sbi I would respectfully disagree: if morality is determined by society, and society draws its moral values from religion, and legislation reflects the moral values of that part of society, legislation is borne from religion, which goes against a fundamental property of ideal democracy: separation of powers. Not that most countries succeed in decent separation.
 
The lesson is: go to interviews when you're fertile.
 
@sbi So in fact, men can detect it -- just not consciously.
 
If you're male that means... Any time.
(Pro tip: if your plan is to sleep with the interviewer to get the job, don't take the interview while you're fertile)
 
@JerryCoffin I do wash it though :)
 
sbi
3:34 PM
@rubenvb Who says morality has to be drawn from religion? And would you deny that the US draw a lot of their legal system from religion?
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's actually a fact they brought up.
 
More likely religion is drawn from morality.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin There's a lot more hints to unconsciously detect a woman's fertility (like pheromones), but, yeah, body language is one more puzzle piece in that.
 
@sbi you seem to look at it in a pragmatic way (if i may say so), but my opinion is also adaptable on yours. a self-representing agreement or to anything or suggestion for anything requires a priori an understanding on the underlying matter. so even as a social animal, you need to be handicapped by personal experiences (which sum up your morality). whether your morality can be effectively reduced to simple boolean deductions or animal instincts should not matter.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked No, that's wrong. Chimps certainly have no religion, but they do have morality.
 
@JerryCoffin Men are quite adept at checking out women's looks.
I wonder why.
 
3:37 PM
@sbi I mean that morality exists first and that religion is founded on it later. (maybe)
 
@sbi Can you prove that chimps have no religion?
 
I can.
Shoot all the chimps. There, chimps have no religion.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just shot 100 chimps in the foot. I'm pretty sure at least two of them are now cursing me as they hop around on one foot. Oh, did you mean kill them all?
 
@JerryCoffin According to Wikipedia "Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.". Chimps aren't human :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the idea was good, but the getup could be improved xD
 
sbi
3:39 PM
@Papergay You don't need an understanding of the reasons for moral rules in order to agree on them. Many rules in many societies were followed with most (if not all) the individuals not having any understanding about why they should be followed, simply because societies that didn't follow them failed.
 
@StackedCrooked How do you define "human"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I shot them with my cannon. Now they're all over the city.
 
@JerryCoffin OMG, you're evil.
 
@sbi i meant to ask you where the rules come from with my last statement
 
@JerryCoffin I don't know exactly, but I think it should include Homo sapiens.
 
3:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thank you. I do try (but not really that hard).
 
@StackedCrooked Chimps are people too!
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I doubt that. I think religion started with respect for elders, ancestors, or nature forces not understood. Of course, since religion (usually?) involves a supreme being of unmatched power, using it to enforce rules that existed before comes natural.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you mean chinks?
 
No, those are pests.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I don't think they are intelligent enough to have believe systems.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, this is actually discussed. Nobody (serious) discusses about them being human, though.
 
TIL there's people paying six euros a month for rent on state-funded habitation. Actually, that's inaccurate. I learned there's people not paying six euros a month, and claiming they won't pay until they're given a bigger house.
 
Where can I rent that?
 
sbi
@Papergay Many of those we take for granted developed over millions of years. (Chimps do have something like a moral system, and our last common ancestor lived, I think, some 8-10 million years ago.) Others are quite late additions (like the one about slavery being wrong), and yet others (patriarch or matriarch?) keep oscillating back and forth over centuries and millenniums.
 
@sbi Given the amount of time they spend doing things they don't particularly like (~0%) vs. "humans" (~60% in many cases) I think a case could be made that they're more intelligent than we are.
 
Slavery is perfectly fine if I'm the master. Otherwise it's immoral.
 
3:48 PM
@sbi but that just answers when it was supposed to establish so far, not from where. mind a further explanation?
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I think such believes are common, and even funny, but if you look closely at a chimp colony, you will find that it is ruled quite mercilessly by brute power, and that most of them do things they don't like (e.g. "give up this food for that guy") most of the time.
 
We have devised better methods for getting bananas.
 
Like shooting other people holding bananas.
 
@sbi Yes, it was intended purely to be funny, not really accurate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a horrible method. Bullets are more expensive than bananas.
 
3:52 PM
@StackedCrooked Yes -- you really want to take over the banana plantation (or orchard, or whatever they call it).
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Today I read that Grey Parrots are as smart about predicting effects from cause as three year old human and chimps (and likely dolphins), and smarter than monkeys. Should they be people, too? And where do you draw the line? (Note that I am not opposed to chimps being considered people. But the moment we draw the line elsewhere than between us and the others, that question arises, and it will be hard to answer.)
 
@melak47 Now that's offensive! Should have been a typedef.
 
@StackedCrooked You only need one or two bullets. Once the first two fall, the others will just drop the bananas and go grab more.
 
Has anyone here used Clutter or Qt on an embedded platform?
 
@sbi I'd certainly want to see a range of complex behaviours before deeming another species warranting "human rights".
 
@TonyTheLion Haha. I can just imagine that guy being like, "SURPRISE BITCH!"
 
sbi
@Papergay I think it's plain and simple evolutionary forces. Social animals not as intelligent as apes have their rules hardwired through instincts, and evolution will make sure they make sense (i.e., they help the species to survive). More intelligent species have those rules more and more moved from hardware (instincts, they are born with it) to software (culture, has to be learned). But evolution will still weed out those societies that agree on rules which are hindering their survival.
 
@sbi stop mixing up robots and animals.
 
@DeadMG can you imagine dressing up in a costume like that and then being raped by an animal? Ghosh
 
3:57 PM
@TonyTheLion There's nothing rape about it. Its designed to harvest semen for artificial insemination.
 
really?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Sigh. Can you imagine anyone not agreeing to that? The question is what range you want to see. And then it's always a pity to look at those right at the border.
 
yep
 
@DeadMG They are not humans. Human rights are for humans, not for people.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yes, of course. What did you think humans would do that for??
 
3:58 PM
@sbi I agree. But I think that the dolphin's range, if the article is accurate, comes close or over for me.
 
@sbi could you please elaborate on how the hardware becomes software. i think that is where we might disagree. plain evolutionary forces does not explain it to me yet
 
I thought there's other more sensible ways to achieve that.
 
@TonyTheLion For elephants, they have to make elephant condoms.
 
@DeadMG bin liners?
 
and male elephants need anal stimulation. So you have to get some guy standing on a bucket dressed in a huge plastic bag to shove his hand up there and start rubbing around on some gland to jerk off the elephant.
 
3:59 PM
@sbi I have no idea, some strange fetish maybe?!
 
@TonyTheLion Nah, they're special-purpose.
I mean, you'd have to hold a bin-liner with your hands, and that's not really advisable, plus you can't see if it's working.
 
@DeadMG now I know what you read in your free time :P
 
sbi
@DeadMG Of course, as with all those questions (assisted dying, anyone?), there's always cases where it is clear that the rule should apply. Unfortunately, there's never a gap between those cases where it clearly applies, and those where it clearly doesn't. What about those African Grey Parrots? People or not?
 

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