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14:00
@sehe (it's a rethorical question)
GREAT SUCCESS
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No, not that. It has been an ongoing thing. For months.
Being an asshole feels a bit uncomfortable for me, though.
Like I have to force it.
But sometimes I think it's worth it.
@EtiennedeMartel Are you sure?
:p
@R.MartinhoFernandes So what? She says you are an alcoholic. Just plonk and move on if it's so unsustainable, just like us mortals.
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14:00
permaban telkitty
I think. I have to say I'm not that happy with shitting on telkitty.
Yeah, it's like a hard turd. It's not easy, but feels good when it is all out.
This is a pattern. Often when anybody gets hurt/upset, Jefffrey is there to downplay everything by holding up ridiculously isolated samples and getting everybody to agree that it amounts to nothing.
As things go in life, nothing amounts to anything. That's hardly a reason to stop caring at all
But I feel like someone has to be the villain in this.
(or the anti-hero in that case)
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ That's it. I'm appreciating that it is. And it's precisely what's wrong with it.
14:01
And yes, you can plonk. Not every owner has to listen to everyone.
Etienne is the commissioner Gordon the Lounge needs, but not one it deserves right now.
I'm not a hero. Robot is a hero.
@chmod711telkitty The irony is, he's completely free to mention you now, because you wouldn't notice anyways
Robot is what I want to be when I grow up.
14:02
@ElimGarak Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian
Literally silent, har har, chat kek.
@sehe Yes, some people just have to grow the fuck up and press that ignore button.
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I'm buttman
14:03
drums start
@sehe yeah I care because that's so important to me ~roll eyes~
I wish people told me to grow the fuck up whenever I act like that
@CatPlusPlus Your costume must kick ass then?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ grow the fuck up
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ By the time you plonk someone, the damage has already been done.
user1804599
14:04
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ grow multiple fuck ups
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ with acronyms I hope: GTFU
@EtiennedeMartel I think his point is "what damage"
@EtiennedeMartel When people get offended by something someone tells them it's because there's a little bit of truth in that.
Nice little theory
Admittedly, the VS IDE is pretty fucking smooth.
14:05
Otherwise you would just dismiss it
Also, who's offended. I think annoyance is kick-worthy
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ What? No. "the truth hurts" has always been bullshit.
> be
?
You mean "been"?
Oh, hi @sehe! How're you doing? :-)
I'm here
14:05
Also, where the fuck is your empathy?
@Columbo agreed, and it might avert disaster if this conversation goes on like this
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ nah, this depends on ego.
I prefer to talk about MSVC
@EtiennedeMartel It's all gone.
@MarcoA. a.k.a. the worst shit under the sun
14:06
@EtiennedeMartel And your patience :)
When someone gets "offended" or whatever, why do you question the person's right to be offended instead of trying to understand what's upsetting them?
great comments here.
Look, guise, I don't know what you've been drinking, but Telkitty has been toxic for years now. She has been a negative influence on the lounge for years now. Whether she's aware of what's she's doing, doesn't really compute for me. She's doing it.
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@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, that's the pattern I pointed at just a few messages ago
14:06
also take hint, when people don't mention you, tease you and reply to your message, they usually don't care about you
Aaaaand slippery slope here we come
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You didn't answer the question.
Look, guise, telkitty has been the evil incarnate. Who do you think caused 9/11? That's right.
@ElimGarak I think it's fair to say nobody values it anyways, so ignoring is the way to go IYAM
I think VC++ is the only thing in existence that would, if you were to like it, make Cat genuinely worried about your mental state instead of angry
14:07
meanwhile: trouble in the JS room
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Nobody's saying that. You're the one creating the slope.
@EtiennedeMartel Never questioned their right anywhere.
@Columbo lol. Nicely put
in JavaScript, 1 min ago, by YourAdrenalineFix
Look here, I came here to ask a JS question and you jerks took the conversation completely off topic
lol
@Columbo I do like the IDE. I got used to it and many things are just good.
14:07
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Now you're just playing with words.
What? You are the one putting words in my mouth.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Why are you so eager to derail discussions once you suspect emotions?
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's so Lounge 2012
Look, you do not decide what's the threshold for someone to feel upset.
Never did
Robot can be as upset as he wants
14:08
Insert Torvalds
Kicking due to that, is not an option though
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Again, you should ask him. I think he's annoyed. And by now, not just with kitty :)
10 mins ago, by ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
This caused all that?
@sehe Why are you so eager about meticulously analyzing people's behavior?
Telkitty was not "toxic" to the room
14:09
You did that.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Well. Only @edition asked @R.MartinhoFernandes about the reason for the kick
He was just playing with robot
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, because robot quotes his message out of context and I put it right back in
Ok, very clear terms needed here as well.
@Columbo I'm not. I'd like it if people allowed the persons who have the patience to talk to have that opportunity
14:10
There's "I'm pissed" and there's "I'm going to abuse my powers to shut someone down".
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I think the evidence to the contrary is rather overwhelming
I'm upset at people getting upset about insignificant bullshit
I'm perfectly fine with the first one, not fine at all with the second one.
Duly noted.
There's "I will not tolerate this hostile behaviour".
Call it whatever you want.
I'm sticking to my choice.
14:11
I'm sure you are
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ So you felt like Robot wasn't upset enough to warrant a kick?
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, infinite upset loop!
You have no other choice at this point, really
The only solution is to force robot to express his emotions via msn messenger emoticons
@EtiennedeMartel How much he was upset is irrelevant here
14:12
Meanwhile, I flagged some comments here because they belong on meta. Anyone care to weigh in?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I have backed out of my decisions several times before. I have all the choices I can want.
that way telkitty can clearly see when he/she has passed the limit
He should have just plonked and move on
There's also "I tolerated this for months, and then finally put it in clear terms that it is not acceptable, and it continued".
So Robot how's your harem goin
14:12
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Who is what?
Or just ignore her (as in read her messages but don't give in to them) and move on
@CatPlusPlus I am in a monogamous relationship.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are at fault here, you should have plonked long time ago.
You keep bringing up these months of pain as if it was of help to your argument.
They are not.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Again, no effort to put yourself in his shoes and try and understand what he went through.
@EtiennedeMartel As I said 2 times now, it's irrelevant.
14:13
Plonking doesn't help. You still see the references to her, she still upsets the careful balance of the room. And she's hostile. She's often hostile.
Here it is in clear terms: You are not welcome here if you're constantly a hostile prick.
@Columbo please, tell me more about MSVC
I can be emphatic all I want about robot. Wrong action is wrong no matter what.
@R.MartinhoFernandes We should update the rules.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ second-guessing again. Not everybody has hidden agendas.
14:14
It is sad that needs to be an explicit term.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^
@R.MartinhoFernandes You probably meant "You are not welcome here if Robot doesn't likes you".
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ *better
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I've admonished people before without me being involved.
@MarcoA. Yeah, my grammar goes to fuck itself when I'm "upset"
@R.MartinhoFernandes And?
14:15
Wait, why is Jeffrey defending Telkitty?
It doesn't matter if I'm the one on the receiving end.
looks up the definition for admonished
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Perhaps you should consider cooling down for a bit then
I'm not defending anyone
@MarcoA. Microsoft once had a secret affaire with the standard. The standard got Microsoft pregnant and she gave birth to a disgusting monstrosity called VC++. They threw it into the river but it lived
14:16
But thanks for painting me as a selfish bastard again.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, it does.
@ElimGarak I think I remember him having really bad experience with being excluded from group(s) by power abuse, or something.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You're not welcome here if nobody likes you.
Jeffrey, were you here the day Telkitty arrived?
I think you should notice the key point here: when Robot kicked Telkitty, nobody gave a shit.
14:17
Back when she didn't have that chmod shit attached to her name.
Nobody stood up to defend her, or to protest this "abuse of power".
@ElimGarak He mentioned something along those lines when LRIO left (not the last time, I think, the time before that, when he was already LRIO)
Just like a judge is not called to legally judge the suspect of the murder of his own daughter, you don't get to kick who you think is doing wrong to you.
@EtiennedeMartel Because she deserves it?
She basically annoyed the fuck out of the Lounge in .5 seconds.
14:18
@EtiennedeMartel I don't mind her at all. So you can scratch that "nobody".
@EtiennedeMartel Well. In fairness, I didn't notice. Until she got all offensive for no apparent reason. That was a tad confusing /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cool
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You don't seem to mind anyone.
@sehe As per Jon's direction.
14:18
this should be the current state
@EtiennedeMartel In this very moment I mind Robot
Sadly doesn't work like Jon intended. Sigh.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Trueish.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Well, plonk and move on.
@Columbo that's how pointar was formed
14:19
@MarcoA. I love how you always come with on topic pictures like that haahaha
If kicks had audit messages and reasons attached it wouldn't be so confusing
@EtiennedeMartel No, because I care about him.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the idea is to use smart judgement to reduce noise (not necessarilty doing things "stealthy" because that may backfire, as I think is the case here)
Plonking is what I do when I don't care.
Or when I can't follow multiple discussions at the same time /cc @sehe
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ok, no problem. There's only one, by the way. But I know what you mean
14:20
Jeffrey, it seems to me that you believe that Robot kicked her in some form of abuse of power... You see, if there were a "kick telkitty vote, press F1", F1s being pushed would resonate across the planet in a matter of seconds.
Oh I'll never plonk telkitty, couldn't miss the fun could I?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Internet 101: you're not welcome when anyone with power to ban you doesn't want you there
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@CatPlusPlus ^ /cc @thecoshman saved you the effort to plink
@CatPlusPlus I thought we were special :,,,cccc
14:21
0/10 not enough cows
fucking hell, so hard to get that shit to work
@thecoshman edit count: 34 35
isn't this democracy
It's not even a common law system.
14:21
More like oligarchy
@thecoshman impossible things are usually the hardest
wheres my freedom of speech
In the butt
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Deep up Katt's rectum
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ sadly, it's right in our faces :)
14:21
speechcoin
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Well, you're in the minority here. I don't know what you expect.
Currency of the future
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Well, this is not a democracy, it's a benevolent oligarchy.
@R.MartinhoFernandes (when I don't capitalize the first letter of the message I'm probably being sarcastic)
@CatPlusPlus What what
14:22
Is this a paradox now
So tempting to troll with "?? = a sockpuppet of"
- but that would not relaly be productive
I just don't like people ganging up on telkitty
s/on telkitty//
Robot's reaction to telkitty's low-effort trolling kinda reminds me that there was a guy who ragequit over your mom jokes
I can't not laugh
14:23
@CatPlusPlus thanks for the reminder. Should setup a periodic one
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I'd say there was exactly 1 person ganging up. Not much of a gang. And she did the rest.
Whenever I write a message, you should check if that is in phalaecian hendecasyllable, if it is: I wrote something without being sarcastic
who was that?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ lol, no
Here's my point on the whole thing: the Lounge is a community. When someone proves themselves sufficiently disruptive to the community, they lose their right to not get kicked when they anger an owner.
14:24
@Mr.kbok kva-whatever
@Mr.kbok kahjvah
Close enough
@EtiennedeMartel you lost me at the end
but sure, why not
well, at least this lounge is expanding my vocabulary.
AFAIR that guy was crazy also
14:24
Moderately
@edition yeah at least better than last week
And I truly believe you need to work on being annoying like Telkitty. So either she is mentally retarded or intentionally going against the wishes of the greater community, a community which is usually pretty pleasant.
@MarcoA. Oh god! You're sarcastic almost all the time!
@edition let me guess, oligarchy?
^hendecasyllable
14:25
@Rerito Cui dono lepidum novum libellum
lovely
Robot isn't the only one who's peeved at telkitty. I've been regularly (and gladly) kicking her as well whenever appropriate. It seems like at least half the room hates her. (for good reason)
@sehe And admonished
@ElimGarak She's an ~~~elite troll~~
14:25
@MarcoA. Sorry, don't speak spanish
It's crazy low effort
@ElimGarak yeah. I thought it was a stretch, but a beautiful one. I decided not to contest the qualification
@Mysticial She's a self-proclaimed troll who has been warned countless times before. We're past the warning phase, and she has been made aware of that several times as well.
@ElimGarak I still don't understand how is she harassing anyone
> error: invalid use of incomplete type 'using type = using type = using type = using type = using type = [...]'
14:26
In the few (several?) years I've been here, I remember two regulars that I consider to have a toxic influence on this room: LRiO and Telkitty. I also generally dislike Abyx but that's personal.
From my experience, only the "newer" regulars are fine with her. Nooble and others?
She just sound lonely
@Morwenn how what code pls
@Mysticial I hate her behaviour at times.
14:27
@Mysticial I've seen sehe being sarcastic with her so many times (with such subtlety she was always oblivious)
@Morwenn lol
I think she never upset me in the slightest
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Good for you. Doesn't mean others can't feel upset.
@ElimGarak I used to hate her but I think she's been much more tame lately
Lounge's attitude was formed when she had 30 rep and no chmod to her name.
14:27
@набиячлевэлиь I copy-pasted stuff and tried to integrate them in my codebase which was already a bit complicated. Turns out it wasn't a good idea.
@EtiennedeMartel I just want to understand. What's so wrong about her? Can you pin point messages or something?
@R.MartinhoFernandes To me it seems hard for people to understand this shift. Apparently, the fact that she's been in the lounge for a long period of time has established a de facto privilege. Or something.
not sure I ever saw her do any trolling, never saw cicada do anything either
@ElimGarak Even if she says stupid shit, she still has real discussions with us sometimes
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ She harasses people who already have issues to deal with.
14:28
@JohanLarsson
@Morwenn did it keep generating using type = until terminated?
If she detects some level of discomfort, she moves in for the kill and trolls the shit out of them.
@sehe We can change that. I strongly suggest that we all kick her every time she says the slightest thing that's annoying.
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@Mr.kbok I agree. although these are really few and far between. And rarely uplifting
@набиячлевэлиь Probably, it was something about flattening nested variadic template stuff.
14:29
@EtiennedeMartel Never see that happening. Can you give me an hint on when it happened and what the context was, so I can search it up?
@fredoverflow thanks for the video.
I mean, there's the Robot case. I also remember when @ElimGarak ate her shit full force.
<sarcasm:off> I agree that this message sounds a bit harsh.. robot just wanted to share something with the room. If you don't care/think it's a stupid thing for whatever reason either keep it for yourself or be polite and make a joke or something.
14:30
Yeah, I will never like Telkitty. She can cure cancer, she'll still be Telkitty to me. It's pretty much too late.
@EtiennedeMartel Oh I need to see that one
@MarcoA. That message was about the kick.
@JohanLarsson ITT Sweden is the Canada of Europe
@MarcoA. It was a reaction to being kicked. Nothing to do with pluto, lol
@MarcoA. lol
14:30
@edition just pay it forward ;)
@orlp Awesome link, m8
And I pretty much ~~love~~ everyone in the Lounge except her.
cool, then I didn't understand a thing
@sehe Sweden, Norway is Texas compared to Sweden
@MarcoA. Apparently your sarcasm switch is connected to your reading comprehension too :P
14:30
I don't give a fuck if the kicking leads to moderators coming in. If the moderators want in on this, let them be. I'll just point them to the rants I had in the mod-room.
@R.MartinhoFernandes THAT IS HARSH I DEMAND.. oh nevermind.
@MarcoA. Not meaning to make fun of you but that's pretty hilarious: "I think kitty overreacted to that pluto picture"
Sometimes she can be quite nice. Unfortunately she has a thing for tasteless trolling that pisses me off so fast
@JohanLarsson gee. I had that, and change it to Norway. I don't have a memory for trivia
can I talk in my local accent?
14:31
@ElimGarak I hate everyone except rightfold.
It's kinda hard to find because @ElimGarak's original account has been deleted since then.
Bad choice
@Mysticial She took a mod suspension before. Then came in with a second account.
@chmod711telkitty What the fuck have you done to these people
the chmod one?
14:31
@EtiennedeMartel What's the robot case?
@edition you tell us
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ The one you claimed isn't relevant.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have the links to the meta posts for that. And presented them to Jon in one of the mod rooms. So he's aware.
@EtiennedeMartel come on, chill. Jefff stepped out for a bit. Give him a new start on the discussion maybe
oh cuz, was wondering if yous fallas would like to hear my speaking in the local accent, eh?
14:32
Jun 8 at 13:37, by chmod 711 telkitty
@sbi you are calling robot an alcoholic, aren't you :'(
This?
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@fredoverflow yay
When did Jeffrey come to the Lounge, which year? Post 2012?
this group rant is depressing
FFS, I'm not compiling a case file for you, sorry.
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@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ That's just one instance of a long harassment campaign.
14:33
The vast majority of her interactions with me for the past year(s?) have been harassment.
Let's hear the case of telkitty vs robot
Feel free to disbelieve me.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... <grin>which way</grin>
Telkitty doesn't understand that social interactions can be something other than being a dick.
And I almost never initiate them.
14:33
java and js rooms are nice today
The heat is on in all rooms today.
@elyse I wouldn't oppose to you ever so slightly reducing the number of programming languages you invent, though ;)
new topic: how do we get cat to start dating?
@EtiennedeMartel Hard to show I guess. If it's a long campaign.
@sehe also js had some interesting times
14:34
@sehe Yeah, I struggle to catch up
The scenario is usually: telkitty starts shit, the lounge responds. We don't pick on her proactively. We never did that.
I don't.
I just don't get much work done
See you later
@ElimGarak People have. I remember asking people to not call her names at least once when she was not around.
Haha, I don't even uderstand what I'm writing anymore.
I mostly get annoyed by the shit she does. Like posting her bank account or something.
14:34
You know what names.
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@ElimGarak nah we have also been assholes.
what did I miss
Most of that asshole stuff came after the Lounge was poisoned with her behavior. But still not cool, I agree.
Everybody is kind of an asshole here
The problem with Telkitty is that she's a "subtle" harrasser. She never does any single thing that's bad enough to warrant immediate suspension. Instead, she subtly annoys all of us in minor ways at every opportunity she can get. But she knows the rules well enough to walk the fine line. IMO, she is the most toxic of all the trolls we ever had - even worse than the flaggers. (I dunno about Tina since I wasn't around for that.) Telkitty deserves to be permanently banned from the Lounge.
14:35
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva drama and kicks
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva storm in glass
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva a war between robot and telkitty
Come on people, let's not LRiO the shit out of this thing
What Mysticial wrote. She's not formally obvious (example: Sino) and we cannot act on her. We even get apologists in the Lounge like Jeffrey.
> subtle harrasser
> telkitty
pick none
14:36
@Mysticial Tina was different.
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@Mysticial Yep. In the forum I'm moderating in, the worst trolls simply ask stupid, vague questions that initiate verbal flaming wars. And they pull that shit off consequently for years.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not very actively, like with LRIO. I think with Kitty we learned to let a few mild things pass because apparently she would became milder after she had been away for ~1.5 months (as I remember).
Since then, I've rarely seen anyone actively pick on her without her prompting. A slight increase since @Elim is back (maybe he remembered the "violent kitty" from before their breaks)
The best you mean
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva standard drama shit for the lounge.
14:37
@ElimGarak :)
@sehe I remember the day she walked in the Lounge. We actually thought she'd leave inside a day, like every other troll. Maybe come back on a few occasions and die off.
@elyse It looks delicious ^.^
user406009
This place is made of very flammable couches that burst into flame at the slightest touch.
To me she is the girl that posts chickens and fat women pics
Also... AgainstASicilian. Fuck that guy.
14:37
@ElimGarak Yeah it was pretty bad the first few months
Just weird like that
@ElimGarak Can we share positive memories :) It's Friday
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yes, she's just a weird woman who loves her chicks very much.
cpx
cpx
I cannot believe you guys still remember and talking about Tina.
@sehe /cc @elyse
14:38
I miss Tina
genesis was right
@sehe Is LRiO leaving a positive or negative memory?
We are the Lounge. We never forget and we usually forgive.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yeah, those bits I don't need but don't mind.
genesis for mod
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14:38
@cpx we still talk about Cicada too
That.
And she's really skilled at demonstrating Dunning-Kruger to a laymen's audience
@Lalaland Tina is much older.
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@BartekBanachewicz I guess Rotterdam train station should be fine now.
@Lalaland You do realize that Cicada is right upstairs, relative to your message.
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Tina Turner
14:39
Tina is gen1. /cc @Ell
Lounge<Memories>
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It's funny you say that
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fapfapfap
@Mysticial Interesting, I don't feel harassed by telkitty. And even if I did, I would simply ignore her and move on with Lounge.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apparently the Greek prefix for reciprocal/mutual (similar to Latin inter-) is… meta-. As in metabolism (I think). Obviously the meaning’s taken though.
What fred says
@LucDanton syn-/sym-? Like syllogism, synthesis, sympathetic and symbol?
user1804599
@sehe BARTEK
That one is also taken :D
@fredoverflow I think she targets specific people (probably the ones who are most pissed right now)
14:40
@LucDanton To mean what he wants AFAICS
user1804599
hmm, how to acquire the vtable for a class?
user406009
You can't.
J’ai la France en moi. Je n’y peux rien. C’est une passion. Je peux essayer de la domestiquer. Mais le feu incandescent est là. #NSParisien
jesus fucking christ
user406009
Not in a sane way.
14:41
ITT people spewing shit all day is fine as long as it doesn't bother me.
Do you guys also get this?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yes.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva What the...
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva ... wii
@Mr.kbok Maybe I didn't get the signals. If telkitty told me to go please my mom, and some guy X said something nice about Java, I'd probably be pretty pissed at X.
14:42
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I understand "France"
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Picturing "la France" as a nickname for someone's dick
wow. Europe will see war within a decade. #markmywords
THAT, or there's elections around the corner
@sehe I don’t know, it’s a long stretch.
That favicon quality is annoying
user406009
14:42
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ why did they have to ruin the favicon!! Wouldn't someone think of the pixels!
@Mr.kbok You're a genius.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva should have used protection
@sehe Not at all.
user1804599
Do vtables have external linkage?
tl;dr he had France in him and now it burns inside
14:42
@CatPlusPlus Translated: "I have France in me. I can't do anything about it. It's a passion. I can try to tame it. But the burning fire is there."
WHAT THE FUCK
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Ça en fait du monde dans son cul.
@elyse consult your local toolchain's documentation
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Sounds like French Manowar.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Issue with the favicon on chat. Has been raised on meta already
50 shades of Nicolas Sarkozy
14:43
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Last time I heard some quote from him, it was « I lie less than before ».
Wow, it's a verified account.
lol
I would like to declare Telkitty a forbidden topic and throw her inside the GamerGate NoSpeak cauldron.
I thought it was a parody.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
14:43
Real things are the best parodies
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user1804599
Ah weak, linkage. That should work.
user1804599
I thought of instantiating a function template with the class as template argument, taking the function pointer to that instantiation, looking up its mangled name, extracting the mangled class name out of that, constructing the mangled name of the vtable from that, and then looking that up in the symbol table.
About RMarkdown, p/cool.
user406009
@ElimGarak but what about chat journalism integrity?
Alloooons enfants de la paaaatriiiiiieeee
@CatPlusPlus Star material right there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes And you were making fun of me.
Avec tes defenseurs.
user1804599
Oh wait, I can do that much more simply, using std::type_info::name.
those are the lyrics I remember.
14:44
I'm only referring to the meaning of the prefix, of course /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
It's really almost the same as `co-` (latin), AFAICT. Of course, the challenge would be to combine `sym-`+`auto-` semantics...
Oh yeah it is definitively etymologically (hah) sound.
It seems that doing an auto-flattening variadic template is a bit hard...
user1804599
auto vtable_name = "__ZTV"s + typeid(T).name();
return dlsym(nullptr, vtable_name.c_str());
user1804599
this should get the vtable
14:45
IRTA "auto-flattering variadic template"
user406009
@elyse why would you ever want to get the vtable? Aren't member function pointers good enough?
~~performance~~
user1804599
So that I can use it as a template for creating new vtables derived from it.
@Morwenn what do you mean?
Autosyllogism appears to be available. Meanings work like Internet domains right?
14:46
snarfed
user406009
@elyse runtime class generation ala JS?
    template<typename... TT, typename... UU, typename... VV>
    struct auto_flattening<TT..., auto_flattening<UU...>, VV...>:
        auto_flattening<TT..., UU..., VV...>
    {};
user1804599
@Lalaland !!!!! :D
user406009
That's a reasonable goal I guess.
user1804599
Useful for my VM!
14:46
@edition Something like that (which does not work obviously).
@elyse Sounds fun
@Morwenn lots of dots. are we expected to fill them out?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Classy enough.
@Mr.kbok Nope.
user406009
Actually, I am wrong. Runtime class generation would be extremely useful. Elyse is doing good work.
Just drink the dependent typing kool-aid like everybody.
user1804599
> Squirrels also have a right to scented candles
14:49
Mar 12 '13 at 19:03, by Cat Plus Plus
We're officially the best room ever
user1804599
> The intention to keep scented candles from squirrels is a horrible form of terrorism.
@ElimGarak I don't know a better room. Does that count?
user1804599
@Morwenn compile-time Perl!
Anybody tried Abebooks here?
14:50
@Lalaland exactly
@elyse I don't get it :(
Mad Max is like the shittiest game of this year.
user406009
@Morwenn you want to create a superclass of a C++ class in your vm
Perl: unreadable code
Templates: compiletime evaluation
@Lalaland there's only pictures of girls in this room, lol
user1804599
14:51
@Morwenn lists automatically flatten in Perl.
user406009
So you can easily interop with other C++ code.
@Nooble MinGW32-w64 has 5.2.0 available, too
@elyse I didn't know. Now I do :p
@Mr.kbok lies. There's also playing cards
user1804599
Which is very useful.
14:52
OMG, Ron Gilbert is making a new point-and-click adventure?!?
user1804599
my @xs = (1, 2, ($x ? () : 3), 4, 5); # contains 3 iff $x is false
user1804599
where () is the empty list
user406009
That's crazy
user406009
Magic should be avoided
@jstrauss they are just parking the sheep. Your mind is dirty
user406009
14:53
Explicit is better than implicit.
user1804599
It's not magic, it's how lists work, and it's useful.
@elyse Is this Perl 6 or YARL (yet another rightfold language)?
user1804599
Lists are merely a syntactic construct. They don't exist in data structures.
user1804599
@fredoverflow No. It's Perl 5.
@sehe dat typo. dat pun with the typo fixed
14:54
@elyse Oh, I was close :)
I have to agree that it can be useful. How do you do list of lists though if lists auto-flatten?
user1804599
You don't.
user1804599
You can have a list of references to arrays, if you want.
user1804599
E.g. my @arrs = ([1, 2], [3, 4]);.
user1804599
14:55
That's an array initialised with a list of two references to arrays.
that sounds terrible
user1804599
Lists aren't data structures. You can't store them anywhere.
user1804599
They're only used as a way to transfer multiple values into and out of functions, into variables, etc.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. It's calssy. Don't see the typo though (you mean it should probably be "in/around the back"?)
can I do my @arr = [[1, 2], [3, 4]]; ?
14:57
@Morwenn With typeglobs.
user1804599
@milleniumbug I am not sure.
user1804599
You can certainly do my $arr = [[1, 2], [3, 4]];.
@R.MartinhoFernandes exactly the point where I ditched perl
user1804599
I think your code makes @arr a single-element array containing [[1, 2], [3, 4]] as its sole value.
@milleniumbug References are scalars AFAIK
14:58
yeah the sigils are confusing
Hum, Perl bases always seemed a bit complicated to me.
@sehe "porking"
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes how do type globs allow you to create lists of lists?

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