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user406009
2:00 AM
1/5 might not sound like a lot, but remember that's about a year worth of classes.
 
General education sounds horrible.
 
> They retained their Christianity (or their Protestantism) […]
subtle
 
user406009
@Nooble That's debatable.
 
user406009
Some people claim that it's a social benefit for everyone to be exposed to different fields.
 
I thought that was what high school was for.
 
user406009
2:06 AM
Such as for literary art majors to be exposed to calculus.
 
UV light is also a field, right
 
user406009
I find that ironic that people in every field think it's oh so vital that their field is included in "general" education while all those other "lessor" fields don't need to be.
 
user406009
Cue, the engineering majors demanding everyone learn calculus.
 
user406009
And the liberal arts majors pontificating on the importance of a liberal arts education.
 
expose everyone to microwave radiation, problem solved
 
2:15 AM
Luc Radton
New enemy in Fallout 4 ^
 
@Borgleader We made a petition.
One day it shall happen.
 
kek
wtv, i like my pun and i stand by it
 
please excuse this next snippet. I need a screenshot from an appropriate room
#include <iostream>

int main()
{
  std::cout << "Hello World!";
}
 
code highlighting in the chats
*in dark theme
 
2:18 AM
@rlemon Sweet!
 
user406009
@rlemon New userscript/extension?
 
How'd you do it?
 
user406009
@Borgleader I know. He forgot the std::endl;
 
user406009
We need to burn him on a stake.
 
Also implicit return.
 
user406009
Implicit return is legal for main.
 
@Lalaland I know.
 
I literally just stole the hello world example off google.
sorry for the fatal move.
 
how long do you have to wait for the perfect window of opportunity when we don’t mention cock in chat for you to take a screenshot
 
user406009
But now we know all the room's rlemon is in.
 
2:21 AM
you already did
 
user406009
Gasp, is that PHP I see? /s
 
click on my user card
aww, I'm still in the teenager room
they didn't fall for it
nor did they know who this man is
:(
 
I take it they were no fans of Music Band either.
 
user406009
Does anyone here have any tricks for dealing with large amounts of packet loss? TCP just sorta seems to fall over.
 
No. Get better internet.
 
user406009
2:29 AM
That remind me, I still need to work on StarGazerAdvanced.
 
user406009
So many features to work on.
 
And I need to finish Icicle Reborn.
I mean start.
 
user406009
@rlemon What highlighting library is that?
 
highlight.js
 
user406009
It's quite good.
 
2:31 AM
@rlemon Firefox :(
 
you can load it all yourself.
:/
look in dist
script.js and style.css
 
Ok.
 
user406009
Firefox is also very close to using the same format as chrome extensions.
 
yea
I just need to make a build step for greasemonkey
 
Javascript is not a real language.
 
2:34 AM
I am a real koala.
 
the bait is real
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva i.imgur.com/FIbEU4g.gif ...
 
The bait was taken
rlemon 0 anastasiya 1
 
the gif was made for one reason, and one reason only
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva winrar
 
2:35 AM
so you've fulfilled my destiny.
I am happy to announce since then I no longer need to wear the brace.
\o/
 
You know it's very satisfying when you get someone to react exactly the way you wanted them to
I admit this one was easy though
 
user406009
@rlemon 10/10 on the gif. Super high quality.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva rlemon is new pls dont be mean
 
so new
 
user406009
@rlemon The only thing you are missing is the loop.
 
2:37 AM
I've never really used these chats before
pls advise.
 
click the little flag next to telkitty's messages
3
 
@Lalaland cam2gif.io
 
sorry I no speak c++
please if you not help shut up. probably too stupid to understand problem.
 
user406009
@rlemon It's ok. This is the C/C++ chat room.
 
user406009
2:39 AM
We also accept PHP questions.
 
@Lalaland can pls debug this:
  while(1)
      pcntl_fork();
 
and Java\Javascript codes
 
thx
 
@rlemon ok i am running it now
 
URGENT!!!
 
2:41 AM
@rlemon undefined reference to main.
I think something is wrong.
 
wtf my pc froze wtf
 
user406009
And we all know that JavaScript is "basically assembly" nowadays. So that's fine here as well.
 
-1, no jQuery
 
undefined reference to cock
 
@Lalaland it is actually a superset of Java
 
2:42 AM
c++ is where I come when js is sleeping. I mean, it is basically the same language.
 
@rlemon Yeah.
 
with the difference that c++ is not a GNU product
 
also it is less performant than JS
everyone knows that.
 
depends if you precompile it
 
for real scalability you must use node.
 
user406009
2:44 AM
And mongo
 
mongo is webscale
 
@rlemon The using doubles instead of ints thing gives (I think) double the performance.
 
user406009
Although /dev/null is the new front-runner for web-scale servers. All the hip people are using it.
 
I just pipe all requests on :80 to /dev/null
 
2:44 AM
so far I haven't seen any complaints on the web based reporter
 
Classroom Crisis isn't so bad. Ep4 is interesting.
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Anyways, modern JS is actually quite decent.
 
user406009
They had to throw out most of their old keywords, but they eventually fixed it.
 
Sick.
 
@Lalaland lol
 
2:49 AM
@Nooble please report all bugs and please give all feature requests to me
 
@rlemon Ok.
 
thanks.
 
user406009
@rlemon I demand hats.
 
ohh, I have one better
 
I demand a strict prohibition on hats.
 
2:50 AM
run this in the console in the chat
 
Lol.
This is great.
 
user406009
@rlemon Also, thanks for giving me the dankest of colors: purple.
 
user406009
Now I can stand out from the crowd.
 
it was all the algo :D
they used to be configurable per user
but chrome storage for sync is very small
I can save to localStorage, but that doesn't sync between pc's
so dunno what to do
if demand is good, I might host the user prefs on my own server I suppose
 
user406009
You are telling me you didn't tweak the salt until you got the best colors?
 
2:54 AM
I wanted to be yellow
 
user406009
Also, you algorithm appears a tad biased towards orangish colors.
 
user406009
Just keep on fiddling until rlemon pops out yellow.
 
lol
I did
then got salty and wrote that
 
user406009
2:56 AM
balpha is the one in charge of the code for this chat?
 
afaik
 
regrettably
 
he wrote it originally.
I doubt he is the lone worker now
 
Does anyone work on chat really
 
what I dislike, after reading a lot of the source, is how much relies on DOM
like, actually relies on reading the HTML after altering it
 
user406009
2:58 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva They were quick to kill off StarGazer.
 
:/
 
user406009
But never fear, StarGazerAdvanced is coming.
 
@Lalaland I saw the exact same thing with the flag monitor
 
He monitors us.
 
it was reported, no one did a thing. I wrote a script to make it easy.. and distributed it.... boom. fixed.
:/
 
2:59 AM
The thing is, they are very quick to fix bugs but there are even quicker to decline feature requests
The whole attitude pisses me off
HELLO FLAG SYSTEM IS BROKEN
"ok then"
 
ohh I know it
:/
 
as much fault as I see in the chats, I'm still here every day.
so how much do they need to care, right?
 
I try to fix it as I see I can.
 
user406009
3:01 AM
The chat is actually reasonably well done.
2
 
but there is only so much I can do with client side js
 
user406009
The pinging system and reply system is quite good.
 
user406009
With cool features like stars.
 
@Lalaland Which they're planning on rigging.
 
@Lalaland outcome, yes. code, .. questionable.
I haven't written a better one, no
but still.
 
user406009
3:02 AM
@ThePhD ? Meta link please?
 
dystroy.org/miaou is quite well done.
I urge everyone to read the source and check it out
written by @DenysSéguret
 
45
Q: RFC: Better chat @mentions

balphaStatus: 50% - Solution is proposed, nothing's implemented yet. Problem Statement Pinging (@mentioning) users in chat is problematic. It is possible to accidentally ping several users at once. In some cases, this cannot even be prevented at all. There is a possibility to shortcut @mentions (no...

You'll need full names or id's
 
This kills the @butt :(
 
Yep.
 
user406009
Ok. I give up. Time to tether my phone and start consuming all my data. The cat GIFs just don't load on this bad of a connection.
 
3:10 AM
"cat GIFs"
 
user406009
@Nooble Nah, I don't really do video porn. Erotic fiction is more of my thing.
 
3:27 AM
> Choose wisely (not "wisely").
Meh, no C++ room.
:P
It's very French.
 
Good evening loungecicles
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire Welcome.
 
user406009
You missed all the fun.
 
awh did somebody demand help?
in a condescending way?
 
@jaggedSpire Whoa I copyrighted that.
 
3:31 AM
@Nooble I defy your copyright, especially since I didn't know of it until now.
 
54 mins ago, by rlemon
please if you not help shut up. probably too stupid to understand problem.
some noob came in here making demands. we had to kick him
 
@ʞɔᴉN Oh man! I am so sad I missed that.
 
HALP!
 
To make up for it, have something I discovered today:
 
URGANT
 
3:34 AM
 
NEED HAXXOR
MANY BITCOINS
 
wtf how is he back
 
@jaggedSpire lolwhat
But how.
 
@jaggedSpire topkek
 
"Narrowing conversion" from a 4 byte unsigned integer to an 8 byte integer. Yes, Microsoft, good job.
 
3:36 AM
Now how would I say "I do my homework at night" in German...
 
someone explain the joke for me I don't understand what a C++ is
 
I don't know how to say at night. Time to google.
 
user406009
I guess we have to reset the "days since last MSVC bug" counter.
 
@ʞɔᴉN unsigned int -> int64 should not require a narrowing conversion.
Harhar.
 
HA I GET IT
 
3:37 AM
breaking MSVC is too easy to do in 13 lines.
I did it yesterday too.
 
@ʞɔᴉN Nice.
 
I mean, good grief. 13 lines to an ICE is so bad it's hilarious.
 
@jaggedSpire Show and tell.
 
user406009
Perhaps we should hold a room contest?
 
Ich habe HausaufgabenHausaufgabenHausaufgabenHausaufgabenHausaufgabenHausaufgabenHausaufg‌​abenHausaufgabenHausaufgaben.
Too much.
And German is hate.
 
user406009
3:38 AM
Winner gets a clang binary.
 
@Nooble this code makes MSVC 2013 flip its shit
 
@jaggedSpire Narrowing as in unsigned to signed. It goes u32 -> u64 -> s64
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva ...look at the covered ranges
 
user406009
I guess we have to consult the standard.
 
user406009
MSVC might be right.
 
3:39 AM
The last conversion in the chain is reported as narrowing
 
int64 covers all possible values for an uint32 by a very, very wide margin
 
user406009
Whose the best language lawyer here?
 
@Lalaland Nooble.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Is that path standard-covered?
 
I nominate myself
 
3:40 AM
Or just what VC++ does?
@jaggedSpire Uuuuse 2015.
 
@jaggedSpire It doesn't work like that
 
@ThePhD And only under that circumstance! It's fine with brace-init directly from uint32 to int64, just the argument expansion confuses it
@ThePhD I dooon't have 2015 at work
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva link?
 
@jaggedSpire For your personal compuuuuteeer.
You code at home after all, right?
 
@ThePhD Why would I infect my personal computer with MSVC at all?
 
user406009
I would look at the standard. But my 10 kB/s connection is being annoying.
 
3:42 AM
This is a valid point.
 
don't make PHD feel bad
 
@jaggedSpire It's like tuberculosis.
It's still there even after there's no more symptoms.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva
56
Q: Narrowing conversions in C++0x. Is it just me, or does this sound like a breaking change?

Johannes Schaub - litbC++0x is going to make the following code and similar code ill-formed, because it requires a so-called narrowing conversion of a double to a int. int a[] = { 1.0 }; I'm wondering whether this kind of initialization is used much in real world code. How many code will be broken by this change? ...

> from an integer type or unscoped enumeration type to an integer type that cannot represent all the values of the original type
uint32 to int64 is not a narrowing conversion.
 
user406009
> If the destination type is signed, the value is unchanged if it can be represented in the destination type;
otherwise, the value is implementation-defined.
 
What's the stupidest place to live in?
 
3:46 AM
@Nooble space
 
user406009
Standard 4.7.3, page 84.
 
NYC
 
without oxygen
 
I can't say that in German.
 
user406009
@Nooble Expensive cities.
 
3:47 AM
@ʞɔᴉN Too bad I already said that was the best.
 
@Nooble inside a hat
 
I'm putting California.
 
you'll sound super jealous
 
How I desperately wish
 
I finished my homework.
 
3:49 AM
I could #include text into a string.
 
Good night guys.
 
night!
 
I finished before it was tomorrow.
nitenite
 
Nighty night.
Sleep tight.
 
good job
 
3:50 AM
Don't let the teachers bite.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Depending on your build system, you can do that relatively easily.
 
I want it to be part of C++.
Not part of the stupid build system.
 
user406009
There are programs which will take in strings and spit out the correct declarations.
 
Nice, VS crashed.
 
user406009
+1 for the @ThePhD "Microsoft bugs found" counter.
 
4:00 AM
Why do you all keep using VS if it has so many problems
 
Because porting to another platform is an astronomical effort
 
 
and figuring out how to link my 7 projects together there is nothing short of a nightmare, I can assure you.
 
user406009
@Prismatic Despite the complaints, it actually is a very good product for windows development.
 
user406009
Competing products, like eclipse have similar issues.
 
4:02 AM
And eclispe doesn't have its own build system.
It has makefiles.
Or whatever else you tell it to use.
And quite frankly, it's shit.
 
user406009
I do wonder why Microsoft hasn't just switched to Clang though.
 
user406009
Seems like they could save a lot of money and achieve better quality.
 
"Hey, X customers who pay to use VC++ and maintain backcompat, we're going to completely change our entire build system and fuck up all of your source code."
"Save money" yeah, from their own wallets. :v
 
@ThePhD ...and or course, their single biggest customer is...themselves. Even without looking at their annual statements, I'd guess most people here can quickly guess which makes more money between VC++ and, say, MS Office.
 
@JerryCoffin Most certainly MS Office/Windows and those suite of tools.
Office already builds on Clang (for Mac OSX).
 
4:07 AM
@ThePhD Exactly.
 
because of wage stagnation there is more money in the MS Bank
 
@ThePhD Fair enough. I'm sure that must account for...oh, at least 1% of their revenues. Well, maybe not a whole percent, but at least a significant fraction of a percent, anyway (and yes, I realize that's missing the point you were trying to make).
 
@JerryCoffin But it's still a non-zero sum. Watercooler chat while I was there put it at an actual decent chunk of money (closer to a double-digit number of like 10%): VC++ might not be the thing that sells but Visual Studio (and Visual Studio Team Foundation Server) most certainly pull in a chunk that's not quite ignorable.
 
@Prismatic Because I have to at work. If I use a non-bugfucked compiler, I won't know whether or not MSVC2013 will trip over its teeth compiling my code.
 
Of course, the people chatting me up were Visual Studio devs managers. I can imagine they might... inflate their idea of how important the product is.
I should really look this information up now. I wonder where I'd get it...
 
4:13 AM
@ScottW not in the mood tonight bb, sry
 
user406009
@ThePhD How many extra "features" could MSVC have possibly added?
 
user406009
Surely it must be easier to add those to clang under a special flag than to maintain a whole compiler.
 
@Lalaland C++07 worth of features.
 
you just love my body
 
user406009
Can you think of a concrete example?
 
4:15 AM
Oh, gawd, another Steve Jobs movie.
 
@Lalaland Buggy variadics, move constructors, initializer-lists and brace-init.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Did MSVC do those in a non-standard compliant way?
 
user406009
How the heck does boost work on MSVC then?
 
@ThePhD because Nooble isn't here: Don't worry, they'll fix variadics.
 
@Lalaland Yes. Also see: two-phase template failures.
E.g.
 
4:17 AM
thank you based nooble
 
template <typename T>
void f () {
AHHAAHHAAHAHAH THIS WILL COMPILE DERPADERP
}
 
MSVC2013 doesn't actually make default move-constructors, the ass
 
@jaggedSpire No, it doesn't.
I had to write them all out by hand 2 years ago.
It was teh worst part of my framework.
Everytime I cruise by certain parts of the codebase I see them and I cry.
I remove them as I come across them, but... it was a dark time.
 
I discovered this when I was trying to figure out why move-constructing something with a vector was taking so long.
insert curses here
 
4:19 AM
@ScottW k. Have to be quiet. Have guest.
 
@jaggedSpire Specifically n-curses?
@Lalaland Go ahead, try it.
 
@ThePhD Nothing so fun
 
user406009
@ThePhD Thanks for the example though. Now it makes more sense.
 
@ThePhD I'm too lazy to check right now, but 10% sounds about right for the entire division, but at least as of a while back, that was "server and tools" division, if memory serves (I don't have access to a revenue breakdown inside of the division).
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, probably the entire division... also, I would check, but I don't know where to.
Also, I need braces.
seven years ago I couldn't stick my tongue inbetween my front teeth.
Now I can squeeze it in there.
It's driving me mad.
I'm probably going to cut my tongue doing this over and over again and panicking.
Do adults get braces?
 
4:26 AM
@ThePhD all the time
muuuuumble
Also, catface is pleased by your courseload. :3
 
Mumble?
 
@ThePhD Mumble!
 
@Lalaland vOv
 
4:41 AM
@ThePhD You certainly won't be close to the first.
 
Morning -_-
 
4:58 AM
Szijjarto: If Croatian PM wouldnt have spent the last week with attacking us maybe they would be more prepared now
Illiterate people in high places.
Just a sec :P
 
5:52 AM
every1 dead
Where are you @MarkGarcia
 
@MartinJames
 
It's done it again
OpenGl has confused the shit out of me.
 
Hmmm moon cake with lotus seed
 
OKAY
I figured out the error
My perspective projection is not what OpenGL likes...
 
5:56 AM
Was the error "ThePhD"? :D
 
@ElimGarak >_> No.
 

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