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user406009
12:00 AM
How could a passphrase ever be too long? They are going to be hashing it anyways ....
 
stuck in the 90's aren't we
 
user406009
And the hash is always the same size.
 
for websites, yes
it's a silly limitation of the entry tool.
gonna remove it, yesss
 
user406009
Offline applications would probably also want to just store hashes of the password.
 
user406009
There is no good reason to store the password itself, either encrypted or in plain text.
 
12:01 AM
> I do not see a reason to support useless long passphrases.

Normal humans are not able to remember such a long passphrase. If you want to
use a really stong passphrase you have to use a generated anyway. A generated
passphrase however has an easy to compute entropy and thus a 256 byte limit is
more than sufficent for a 32 byte (=256 bit) key.
arrrrrrrgh
@Lalaland yes, but you're talking about websites, this is gpg
 
this is discriminatory towards abnormal humans
 
Why does it feel like Merkel is always wiping the butt for the U.S.? First was the GFC, started in the U.S., plunged more than half of the developed world under water, made countries such as Spain, Italy & Greece almost bankrupt. Euro led by German Merkel had to step in and lent a hand to said countries. Then was the war stirred by the U.S. in Syria that made half of the country flee. It was German Merkel again, who said 'no Limit' to take on Syria refugees
 
Ell
woo I made friends
 
user406009
@milleniumbug Why would there be a difference? Security is security either way.
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty yeah she's lying though
 
user406009
12:05 AM
@Ell Imaginary friends don't count though.
 
Ell
she clearly wants to limit refugees
and rightly so
 
@Lalaland it's a passphrase used for decrypting a private PGP key
having passphrase limits put on an password entry tool is O(2^n) silly
 
@Ell But Germany did take on a lot of refugees, U.S. did almost nothing
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty US is all the way across a large ocean.
 
Ell
it's better to help refugees in lebanon, turkey etc/
 
user406009
12:06 AM
Take a lot more effort to transport people here.
 
@Lalaland conveniently :P
 
even Australia is planning to take on some
Distance is just an excuse
No surprising, 5 years of bull run in the U.S. market, the fed still does not want to increase the almost zero interest rate because "it's too much risk" for the U.S.
 
we do like money
 
user406009
Also, anti-immigration, anti-Muslin feelings are so strong here that it would be political suicide to advocate for accepting large amounts of refugees.
 
12:07 AM
selfishness
 
user406009
Yep.
 
@chmod711telkitty mwahaha
 
@chmod711telkitty US did one thing in every country/region where the refugees are coming from.
 
user406009
@StackedCrooked Thanks. Bookmarked. Futures are one of my favorite abstractions.
 
@JohanLarsson bombing them?
 
12:09 AM
np
 
> Need help with dong dungeon
meanwhile, at GW2
 
@chmod711telkitty yeah wars and destabilized
 
@Lalaland I would say these sentiments are not as strong as the ones held by a lot of europeans right now
 
user406009
I just wish that lambda's worked better GC-less languages.
 
I would back a Merkel fronted global leadership
 
12:10 AM
@JohanLarsson dunno why they're not grateful
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN I don't think so. For goodness sakes, Trump is the front-runner for the GOP right now and he wants to deport 11 million people.
 
@ʞɔᴉN how do you mean?
 
user406009
That's pretty darn extreme.
 
@JohanLarsson not being serious
 
ålrejt
 
user406009
12:11 AM
Anyways, Saudia Arabia also has done some shitty things in the area as well. The US screwed up, but there were other actors as well.
 
@Lalaland yeah but at least you don't see Americans running around in mobs burning down muslim shops and shit
 
user406009
I just want a more isolationist foreign policy.
 
user406009
Let's get our people building roads, not guns.
 
you're talking about changing a nation's culture :P
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN We just had a major islamophobia event. Didn't you hear about the clock?
 
12:13 AM
i would say that's more an isolated incident
perhaps thats not the right terminology
and anyway the kid got invited to the White House
 
oh that’s fine then
 
@ʞɔᴉN For goodness' sake, use the right terminology.
 
@LucDanton luc pls
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN Quote from the police who arrested him in response to his appearance.
 
user406009
> "Yup. That's who I thought it was."
 
12:15 AM
@ʞɔᴉN pls invite me to your house to make up for the things you say
 
user406009
I think that's pretty damming evidence of either racism or islamophobia.
 
@LucDanton ok I'm in cali hmu if u wanna netflix n chill
 
Or it was just a scary looking clock.
 
@Lalaland racial profiling yes
 
Or it was just a scary looking clock damn it.
 
12:16 AM
they overreacted
 
Yes.
That's what schools do.
 
user406009
Anyways, we are getting off topic. I still think a bunch of Republicans would shit bricks if they heard we were going to be taking in a lot of Syria refugees.
 
@Nooble yeah not gonna lie it sort of was
it was a black suitcase with wires and a circuit board in it
 
user406009
I fully back Hungary and the EU limiting their borders.
 
type of shit that gets you banned from flying
@Lalaland yeah it'll never happen, this issue is too far away for Americans to become actually concerned
and like you were saying, there's plenty of people with anti-muslim sentiments
 
user406009
12:19 AM
The whole Syria conflict seems a mess anyways. Every side is horrible.
 
whether they express it or not
@Lalaland i think that's part of the problem for the American public
we're used to wars but we like being the obvious "good guy"
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty Are you currently in a country that's being forced to accept a bunch of refugees?
 
australia IIRC
so no but they might anyways?
 
Ell
helping refugees in lebanon is like 100x cheaper than helping them in europe
 
user406009
Lebanon's a pretty small place though.
 
user406009
12:23 AM
And even then, lebanon + jordan are taking in an astonishingly high number of refugees.
 
@ʞɔᴉN I'm not justifying it though.
 
@Ell out of sight out of mind eh
 
user406009
Jordan, the true MVP of the mess.
 
I really do doubt it was a matter of race.
 
Ell
+turkey
turkey is not that small really
 
12:24 AM
I need to punch @sehe to regain my manliness ... who am I kidding, what manliness :P
 
@Nooble race probably was a factor but yeah schools are that way
 
@ʞɔᴉN Well I dunno I've never been to Texas.
Something about everything being bigger there.
 
user406009
Texas isn't all that bad in my experience (or at least Houston isn't all that bad).
 
user406009
The main thing I have noticed is the really bad sidewalk maintenance.
 
user406009
And tons of uncontrolled intersections. Which are freaking scary for pedestrians.
 
12:28 AM
real Americans don't walk, they drive F-250's
 
> They use FUSE clients on your desktop, that pretend to be a checked out repo. They're pointing at the code repo, and caching read-only files locally, every time you want to read one. When you start editing a file, the FUSE system makes a writable copy locally. If you delete a file, the FUSE system makes a note of it.
^ On Google's VCS. (From a reddit discussion)
Sounds awesome.
 
user406009
@StackedCrooked Another benefit would be that you don't have a copy of the code if your computer gets stolen.
 
I suppose.
 
user406009
I didn't even know it was possible for sidewalks to fall into such disrepair before I lived in Houston.
 
user406009
You would need like a four wheel drive wheelchair if you are disabled.
 
12:32 AM
/cc @Xeo
Not mine but ermagherd :3 :3 :3
 
Damnit.
Because I do the graphics device creation in the constructor, there's no time to pass a callback to the event PrepareGraphicsDevice; I have...
So it's fucking useless.
Now I need to make my constructor even bigger.
Fuck it, it's time to use some structs.
 
@Lalaland Prime minister said 'no refugee whatsoever'. 4 days later, he said 'we will take 12,000 refugees once off'. Then a few days later we changed prime minister. Go figure.
 
lol "no refugee whatsoever"
 
user406009
It is hard to fault the refugee's who go for Germany though. Everyone wants a comfortable life. If I was there, I would certainly be trying my best to go to where there are the most opportunities.
 
You can't blame people who flee their country for a better life, obviously
Everyone with half a brain would do the same
 
user406009
12:41 AM
The question is how do we, as a society, ethically deal with the mass inequality of the world?
 
The slow way: by educating the masses
 
user406009
With what money? How much wealth transfer is fair and just?
 
user406009
Also, some things can't be removed with the magic wand of "education".
 
All of it!
 
user406009
There are always going to be shit jobs in resource extraction.
 
12:42 AM
With the local money, the only thing that matters is knowledge transfer
Education probably can't fix everything but it does fix a LOT of things
 
user406009
We can support our extravagant lifestyles only through low wage workers doing the base material extraction and construction work.
 
user406009
We can shift those jobs around, but we really can't get rid of them without a lot more automation technology.
 
user406009
Even on a small scale, I know that most of the food that I eat is primarily subsidized through the poor treatment of illegal Mexican immigrants.
 
> poor treatment
understatement of the year
 
user406009
Well, at least we are better than Saudia Arabia.
 
user406009
12:47 AM
(But that's like saying JavaScript is a good language because it's better than PHP)
 
Comparison doesn't really help
There will always be someone who does better and worse
 
user406009
Anyways, I don't think you can just "magic" away the shit jobs with more education.
 
I never said that
 
user406009
Automation is the key. But automation has other issues.
 
user406009
Such as increased inequality.
 
12:48 AM
roberts took er jerbs
 
I said education is the key to fixing this
educate all the popeles
solve many problems
much happiness
such equality
 
how is education the key to solving inequality
 
yeah, and fed keeps official interest low is going to increase this inequality
 
user406009
@Prismatic Clearly if we teach more people gender studies, the SJWs will come in and save the day.
 
user406009
@chmod711telkitty What's your argument for that? Low rate = high inflation = benefits the rich more as they have more assets?
 
12:51 AM
wearing bicycle helmets
 
user406009
(Vs, the poor, who own almost nothing)
 
Even though you're being sarcastic education might make people aware of inequality as a problem, not really how to solve it
 
@Lalaland essentially
@Prismatic lol
Yeah I am totally being sarcastic
My actual opinion is "keep everyone in their crass ignorance"
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva That was in response to Lalaland's bit on SJWs
 
use the arrow
 
12:53 AM
> like that?
 
@Lalaland Inflation? What.
 
> how to green text
 
user406009
I always find it hard to deal with these ethical issues. Ethically I should be donating most of my earnings to charity.
 
user406009
But I like my stuff.
 
user406009
I like being able to see a movie every now and again.
 
user406009
12:54 AM
I like eating out.
 
user406009
It's hard to give up luxury.
 
> pathological altruism
 
dw there’s a wide corpus of ethics apologetics for your particular quandary
 
@Nooble Low director rates lead to higher inflation, higher rates lower inflation
 
user406009
12:56 AM
@Nooble Lower interests rates tend to lead to higher inflation. Inflation tends to hurt the working class a lot because their salaries don't respond quickly to inflation.
 
Bartek's mom on the other hand is always highly inflated
 
user406009
The upper class have investments (such as stock), that move up with inflation, so they retain more of their value.
 
Ah ok.
 
user406009
In essence, the problem is that salaries rise slowly.
 
Slower than inflation*
 
user406009
12:58 AM
Low interest rates also encourage property/housing prices to go up, screwing everyone who doesn't own property.
 
we had deflation for a while here, maybe we still have it
 
My salary is fine.
 
user406009
Computer science is a bit of an aberration due to a minor labor shortage.
 
Now I had an explosion in my popularity. How do I deal with that?
 
where and why?
 
12:59 AM
Any of you believe the push for CS and STEM education is to drive down wages in the tech sector?
 
user406009
@Prismatic Yes.
 
I hear that parroted a lot
 
@JohanLarsson You read the same news I do. You know who Iam.
 
user406009
@Prismatic However, even if it drives down wages, the country as a whole improves.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I don't read news much, no idea who you are.
 
1:01 AM
@Lalaland Which one? I’m not taking a pay cut for Belgium.
 
user406009
@Prismatic Even with a lower salary, if you greatly increase the number of people working, the country improves
 
@JohanLarsson Not of any importance, carry on.
 
user406009
@LucDanton That's a more difficult question. I don't know enough about economics to answer that honesty. Inter-country trade can get quite confusing.
 
@Lalaland Is that really relevant though
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Depends on how selfish you are.
 
1:05 AM
Not very
 
@JohanLarsson Jag står på en scen med Peter Forsberg hockeyspelaren. Det kan bli lite kul.
 
@CaptainGiraffe hälsa!
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Then you should appreciate the fact that less of your country will be unemployed. And that on average, the standard of living has increased. Even though you individually have lost.
 
no french pls
@Lalaland More people employed !=> standard of living has increased
 
1:07 AM
@JohanLarsson Jag har en plan att tacka å sen fråga hur han åkte förbi hela finländska laget från egen målvakt,.
 
user406009
Anyways, after these discussions, it should be pretty obvious to you guys why I picked the name lalaland :)
 
it is obvious now
mooing duck was less obvious
 
Lalaland is mooing duck?
man
 
why do you change names?
 
1:09 AM
 
better french than arabic, you won't get kicked out of a plane in the US for speaking the former
 
yall hear about that kid in texas
 
user406009
Yeah. Evidence seems to indicate either racism or islamophobia.
 
le langue d'amour
 
invited to the white house, to facebook, to twitter, to mit, to harvard etc
 
1:12 AM
le|la is hard
 
I wonder if the nobel peace prize guy will get antsy and throw one the kid's way too
 
fucking teen brings a bomb to school and gets invited places?
i should've done that too
 
Noobel prize winner right here.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I know right :(
Someone give me an arduino and some LEDs.
 
@Lalaland Its pretty hard to figure out exactly what happened every step of the way but man if I brought something like they showed in the pictures to school I can understand why someone would be suspicious
 
user406009
@Prismatic Going off the quotes from the police and the mayor.
 
1:13 AM
> If I owned Hell and Texas, I would live in Hell and rent out Texas.
 
Throwing handcuffs on a kid seemed extreme though
 
yeah I too would be very wary of a 14 years old american teen
 
user406009
That's normal in the US school system.
 
user406009
At the less well of schools.
 
Hey in my middle school, some girl got thrown in handcuffs for writing on the desks.
 
1:14 AM
is it a developed country or what
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva US has lots of internal inequality.
 
user406009
More than most other developed countries.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yeah me too.
 
user406009
This type of stuff doesn't happen at the "rich" schools.
 
user406009
I hate large parts of the US's governmental system.
 
1:16 AM
@Prismatic Do you expect to see bombs in your day-to-day life?
 
user406009
Too much focus on prison, war, and buisness.
 
user406009
Maybe I should also run away to Germany :P
 
@LucDanton isn't it part of the 14-yo-muslim-boy starter kit?
 
@LucDanton nope
But policies for suspicious packages are usually to treat everything as a threat. Recently in Toronto a bag someone left on a train caused a huge delay for hours
 
Dude
It's a FOURTEEN YEARS OLD BOY
 
1:19 AM
So what? People that age used to carry machetes and stab each other and shit at the highschool I went to
 
@Lalaland disguised as a refugee? :p
 
Oh okay well you live in a fucked up country I guess
 
Do you think that being 14 some how excludes you from being able to do violent stuff?
 
I don't know frankly, I'm used to being around normal people
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva This country doesn't give a shit. We also prosecute children for taking pictures of themselves. We accuse them of producing child pornography.
 
1:20 AM
makes sense
 
user406009
And the kicker, we prosecute them as adults so we can hand out harsher sentences.
 
When dumb mistakes ruin the rest of your existence.
 
IMO the US is one of the greatest paradoxes ever
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don't know about you, but I believe everyone has the right to take a picture of their junk.
 
@Lalaland You do -- the NSA will just store it.
 
1:21 AM
Even C++ makes more sense
 
user406009
Own body, own rules.
 
I had to modify a core header file again.
EVERYTHING RECOMPILES.
 
user406009
Welcome to C++. I hope you enjoy your stay.
 
user406009
At least it gives you a good opportunity to hang out with us in chat /s
 
1:23 AM
@ThePhD See, this is one of the benefits of header only :3 total recompilations are very short (like your dick)
 
@Borgleader I was thinking of the same thing ❤
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva This is only true if you also employ unity monolithic builds (like your Mom)
 
@ThePhD high-five
 
what program do you use for recompiling your header-only lib
 
user406009
Isn't there also a trick where you concatenate all your files before compiling?
 
user406009
1:25 AM
For quick total compilations?
 
There's also this trick where you use a ram disk instead of hard drive
 
> Unity/Blob builds with iteration enhancements
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I like to use L1 cache.
It's helps.
 
user406009
YES!!! I GOT YOU NOW
I swear, there is no feeling as satisfactory when you finally kill an annoying mosquito with your bare hands.
 
Ew.
 
1:33 AM
alright I’ll try not to brick the system
 
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
 
user406009
@Nooble It's the little victories that make life worthwhile.
 
These god damn teachers.
 
FIIINALLY finished overhauling my graphics_device (raw_)render(_user)(_indexed)(_primitives|vertices)
 
Using .doc.
Like how am I supposed to view that.
 
user406009
1:34 AM
Technically teachers. Professors implies university work.
 
Now I have to convert it.
 
user406009
@Nooble Libreoffice.
 
user406009
Or use the microsoft word viewer thingy.
 
I just converted it.
@ThePhD What is this.
I just renderer(renderable)
 
1:36 AM
I wrap things at a lower level.
It's essentially the gl::DrawArrays/DrawElements call at the core, but with typechecking, automatic input-layout handling, etc. etc.
You can have as much of that as you want, or as little as you want.
 
You use glBinding?
 
the user versions just take a buffer_view<vertex>and, if you're doing indexed rendering, takes a buffer_view<index>
No, I use glloadgen to make headers, and then I do a bit of customization for my needs.
 
"customization"
Dirty dirty little hacks.
 
Yeah, frivolous things like add the common wgl stuff into the wgl platform header and cpp file.
 
I fixed my keybase/gpg/pinentry/fedora issue
I just run keybase -g gpg whatever instead
 
1:40 AM
I use glad.
 
It runs gpg now instead of gpg2
 
There's even a neat webservice for it!
 
Yech.
"Debug" mechanism.
 
why is that 'yech'
 
gl_debug callback is a better tool.
Plus, they provide two separate loader styles. Why not hide it behind a macro and let the compiler inline?
void glSomeFunction ( GLint whatever ) {
#if GLAD_DEBUG
     // Blah
#endif
     ::glSomeFunction( whatever );
}
 
user406009
1:48 AM
Cough cough glium is superior, cough cough
 
glium is doing something close to what I am, albeit in rust.
 
Rust++
 
@ThePhD Why not hide it behind a macro and let the compiler inline? you evil evil man
 
However, I don't hide low-level. I create top-level abstractions while also offering the user the ability to create my objects and then grab the underlying resources, cast them to their originals, and them manipulate them.
@Borgleader vOv The other way would be to generate 2 separate functions, and that's just boring.
 
I'm trying to abstract away alllll of it.
Well, not currently trying because AP World History homework.
Which I should be doing.
But I'll start at 10:00 because that's a nice number.
 
user406009
1:53 AM
So to use Nooble's library, you just have to write Game<RTS> game; game.run();
 
user406009
And then everything automatically happens for you.
 
Basically yeah.
 
Not a bad design, I have something similar, but taking control of the entire main loop is Somewhat Bad™.
 
user406009
@Nooble Ah, the glory of learning useless shit just to immediately forget it all after the test.
 
user406009
Been there, done that.
 
1:54 AM
@Lalaland I know :(
 
So I expose all the components to let the user do it themselves.
 
Now someone tell me why Louis XIV was so great.
 
user406009
Because he died.
 
user406009
That was the pinnacle of his life.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva You must know.
Whoa it's asking me to reference my textbook.
Now I have to find that thing.
 
user406009
1:56 AM
@Nooble When you are deciding between schools, make sure to pay attention to the minimum distribution requirements.
 
user406009
The lower they are the better.
 
What are those?
 
user406009
"Distribution", or "general education" requirements are credit requirements for non-major classes such as literature, art history, gender studies, etc.
 
user406009
My school for instance, requires about 1/5 of your credit hours in those types of classes.
 

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