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8:00 PM
I have 3 now! Just got a zero w in the mail today lol
 
you could probably do it with 2, although 3 or 4 would be better
 
how about one?
 
I was looking at 4x Pi cases and doing a USB power supply for each
then you could add and remove groups of 4, with a master in each group
 
'looking at' better mean 'to print myself'
I'll persecute anyone here that has a 3d printer and buys a pi case.
 
8:02 PM
haha
damn that's a great point @Luggage
 
lol, I have a few pi kits that have come with cases, but for that, printing would be better
the only downside to a Pi cluster is the memory
40 cores is cool, 10GB...
 
I just wish I could think of something to do with them..
I always wanted to do a beowulf cluster as well
 
OpenFaas looks like it would be great for home automation
 
I'd say a kubeadm cluster is a good alternative to trying to rig some beowulf cluster
 
8:05 PM
my home is too dumb anyway
only smart devices I have are a TV and Nest
 
@ssube You seen this before? resinos.io
 
i have nothing. my house is like that of an Amish person
 
@BenFortune yeah
 
Tried it?
 
haven't had reason to use it, no
 
8:05 PM
lol, just a lot of really nicely built furniture eh @Luggage?
and some warm quilts
 
the concept is solid
 
Looks like it's just the bare minimum to run docker
 
I'd just worry about it being an overblown solution
 
well.. no 'smart' items.
The 5 laptops and a desktop is a bit non-Amish
 
the nice thing about kube and I assume resinos is their part is implemented as a container
so you install docker, run a container, and it manages all your other containers
 
8:06 PM
and the refrigerator
 
What happens to a sites questions and answers if it doesn't make it out of beta?
 
makes it easy to deploy on tiny devices like that
 
if I used docker/kube on a pi, it would be to deploy things like Octoprint. I would have no use to ever deploy multiple instances of anything (that I can think of)
 
I wonder if you could run kube on a cluster of resin devices....
 
@ssube I don't see why not
Do the nodes just require docker?
 
8:09 PM
@Luggage that's what I started with. Have dynamic DNS, a VPN, and terraria running now
 
on a single pi?
 
@BenFortune mostly, yeah, but they also set up a network bridge that might be hard on a Pi's CPU
no, not on a pi
my home-cluster is my desktop and the server downstairs, haven't added the pi yet
octoprint did not like being in a container
 
ohh, i thought you were running it from one
 
so finally a LONG weekend.
So sad its on the bloody tax day]
 
I was for a while, many prints, but it started failing halfway through
 
8:10 PM
How does docker work if you need access to hardware (SPI/GPIO)?
 
random no-connection errors from below python, somewhere in the device layer
@BenFortune mounts, mostly
 
mounts?
 
you can mount sockets, block devs, char devs
 
oh
 
Is it reliable?
 
8:11 PM
not on thursdays
 
damn, i'll try tomorrow
 
I threw mjpg-streamer on there this morning for the print camera, for example
the container might need privs depending on the device (you could probably do it with caps alone, Florian would know)
 
Hmm, intradesting
 
that particular one doesn't benefit much from clustering, tbh
the dyn-dns container does. if the server crashes, it will move to my desktop, without losing config files.
 
hammer time.
 
^^ yea, wtf is going on there?
even ignoring the hammer
 
@Luggage lmao yeah idk
harvesting chips?!
@SterlingArcher haha I like how it got -3
then they updated and it went to 0
 
> first, jam one of those little screwdrivers you use to fix your glasses in the PCI port
 
LOL but make sure it's all plugged in of course!
 
It's a duplicate.. I'm tempting to leave a comment
 
8:20 PM
I was reading about how to make the Pi boot off of USB. It has one-time-programmable memory? that stinks
 
I'm not totally sure it's a dupe, but it's very close and absolute garbage
 
The root issue was Number.length so I think it's appropriate
 
agreed
 
man the rasp pi zero is REALLY small
didn't realize it was this flat/small from pictures
 
imagine how many you could fit in a shoebox-sized cluster
 
8:22 PM
yeah seriously
 
just need a ton of airflow
 
man honestly.. I wonder how many you could, probably 50 or so in a shoe box
 
and, what's the point? just get one intel cpu with 20 cores
 
shit more than that..
@Luggage lol yeah for sure
 
and who wants to buy 50 SD cards?
 
8:23 PM
@Luggage the whole thing, with case, power, switch, etc, costs the same as that one CPU
 
besides lemon
 
oh dude.. yeah the SD cards ugh
 
but you have a massive amount of redundancy
 
I forget there is no built in memory
I have a CHIP computer, came with 512mb built in
plus BT and wifi
only issue is they are now defunkt
I run my IRC client on that
but they stopped giving shipping updates to people like 6 months ago
 
@Loktar o/
 
8:25 PM
and haven't been answering any support for a while, sucks
they are actually pretty neat gadgets
o/ @ShrekOverflow
 
WDYT of intel NUC ?
 
they seem really cool just more than I want to pay for something to play around with
 
one of the guys on me team swears by them, I've been thinking about getting one
the problem with my current setup, which a Pi cluster would fix, is that losing one node means I'm down to one
 
The newest one is so darn cool, I want to get one too
esp with the Vega inbuilt !
 
so a third (or a dozen Pis) would solve that nicely
 
8:26 PM
god fucking damn it
 
@ShrekOverflow oh?
I need to look at the new ones I guess
 
@ShrekOverflow they're supposed to do VR
 
might be nice to use that for my arcade instead of the full size PC I have
 
not sure how good it looks
 
@Loktar They released a new one with Vega M and 8th Gen Intel CPU on the Same PCB
The total power draw is 100 W
 
8:27 PM
> We received the gaming version for review, which is the higher-end option and costs $1,000 for just the bare-bones kit.
 
@ssube I don't care that much about VR, I am more happy about that tiny box 😀 for casual gaming etc.
 
that price though lol
I mean.. what benefit besides size is there for that price?
 
True dat ^
 
well, if it can do any VR, it can do more than casual gaming
@Loktar just size/heat mgmt
 
> okay google, wake me up at 1:30
> sure, alarm set for 1:30pm
> ...
> okay google, what's the time
> it's 4:06pm
 
8:27 PM
you add your own RAM and SSD
 
yeah that's a ton to pay for that.. I'd just get a 1k laptop
 
@Loktar Less maintnance decentish upgradability
 
I want a refund
I missed something semi-important
 
@Mosho LOL
 
if I cared about power/heat/space I mean
 
8:28 PM
You need an iPhone or use the alarms app
happened to me way too many times when using Google Now
I think it sets a reminder not an actual alarm
 
google home was good enough thus far
I use it every day
 
@Loktar they're mostly sold as desktop replacements for business, afaik
 
@Mosho You seen they support bluetooth speakers now?
 
some of the NUCs are the same size as a VESA mount
 
@Mosho err, did you do it from your phone?
 
8:29 PM
but why? You can get a nice desktop for that price
 
I may have been so tired my sleeping brain ignored it
 
for me it always does that (set a reminder).
 
so you can just mount them up with the monitor
 
and more powerful at that
 
@ShrekOverflow google home
 
8:29 PM
Oh Google Home shouldn't have done that xD
 
once you factor in the parts needed in addition to the barebones kit you're closer to 1400
 
@BenFortune no I haven't
 
well, that's the one with graphics, which is newer
 
I mean not trying to shit on them, they seem awesome.. but the price is just kind of nutty at the same time
 
the ones I've seen are the $600 model ($1000 with 32GB + 512GB SSD)
 
8:30 PM
The w/ GPU will cost you thanks bitcoin a lot more if you were trying to build.
 
I sent an email saying I took a nap and it backfired
hopefully they will relate
 
one of my coworkers has a few for his house, all set in the basement between a pair of boards
 
A laptop, hmm, I have never found a sane laptop config that isn't like a desktop that you'd put on your lap 😛 with crappier power management.
 
everything else is just wired to the NUCs
 
A comparable Laptop will run you around the same (IIRC the Vega is competitng with 1060/1070 on the Nvidia side)
 
8:31 PM
if that's the case that's not bad then I guess
 
@ShrekOverflow Vega is a whole line
 
I was curious what the vega core perf was
 
That Vega that they put into it
 
well right now there are only 2 vegas right?
 
3 IIRC
48, 56, 64
 
8:32 PM
well, these ones and the APUs complicate that
 
or did I make up the 48 ?
@ssube true.
 
as far as real cards, it's the 56, 64, and FE
 
I need perf reviews
@Ikari that'll cost $1800
 
I'm curious about the Intel hybrids
less so now that they've melted down, but...
 
8:32 PM
Linus reviewed that yesterday.
 
Yeah... But does have some nice specs
 
Looks like RX Vega M GH the more powerful one is inline with a 1060?
 
There we go
1060 Thankx :)
 
@ShrekOverflow Linus?
 
8:33 PM
that's not bad for on-chip
 
@Ikari Google
 
or is it a different card?
 
@Ikari not Torvalds
 
1060 is faster still as well by 18%
 
@ssube its the APU thing
 
8:33 PM
well sorry 6-18% lol
 
Oooh that YouTube guy
 
@Loktar Very new drivers (Esp for APU)
 
yeah AMD always improves with time
 
@Ikari the sniffling ltitle one who whines about hardware?
 
so it will end up surpassing a 1060 at some point I'm sure
 
8:34 PM
I am more interseted in the NUC as an HTPC with Gaming
 
@ssube yeah seems like him
 
That thing has More IO expansion options than I could find in most laptops
 
bleh, those reviews aren't worth sitting through
 
that's the laptop I always want to get
 
Yep, it's him
 
8:35 PM
if I needed one at all...
 
hi
may I ask a quill.js quesiton?

I try to set the quill.js html from a external html file ..

when I do this:

document.getElementById("editor").innerHTML = myNewHTML;

it works and the HTML looks good => but you can't edit it anymore

because when you first initialize the quill editor, you get inside the #editor another div.ql-editor, which has contentEditable=true...

so I tried this:

document.getElementsByClassName("ql-editor")[0].innerHTML = myNewHtml;


now its editable and good, but the HTML isn't showing correct.. there are a lot of empty lines and a lot of content is not shown (n
 
price/perf is super reasonable
 
I keep trying to convince work to get me a Lenovo, but the NUC is much cheaper
 
@Loktar I have that
well Oboecat has mine
best laptop purchase, costed $759 the version we got
 
> 2x Thunderbolt 3 (40Gbps) via rear USB-C ports
those should support an eGPU as well, yeah?
 
8:36 PM
Two actually
 
@ShrekOverflow not bad
I kind of want to build an APU system
 
@Loktar The SSDs dell uses in them are crap though
died after a year, we put in a new SSD and now I am considering buying ram for her.
 
I had one priced out like a year ago with an A10 but held off
 
@Suisse I don't know quill.js but it sounds like it preserves formatting?
 
@Loktar I had one for a while, it wasn't for heavy gaming, but it was decent
 
8:37 PM
didnt you build one @ssube?
haha ok yeah
 
it was an a4, I think?
 
I remember you mentioning one I thought
 
way back. I bought a refurb corporate desktop from microcenter and it had the APU, so I just added memory and went with it
 
> 2x Mini-DP 1.2, 2x Thunderbolt 3, F+R HDMI 2.0a
Upto 6 display's mmm
 
Here's another one of those unpractical builds I was making on pcpartpicker list yesterday pcpartpicker.com/list/HHbpGG
 
8:38 PM
yeah I'm probably thinking of your super small form factor PC actually
 
it ran about as well as you'd expect from a laptop with onboard
@Loktar oh, that just had i7 onboard graphics
 
yeah these new ones sound pretty good.. I kind of wish I had a need for one just to mess around with making one
 
@Ikari You are better of with a Mac Pro
 
but I can't justify the cost lol
 
I did also have an old A4 APU in a desktop
@ShrekOverflow don't troll
 
8:39 PM
@ssube fine.
 
@ShrekOverflow nyeh, i don't recall the number of cores it had, but can't possibly have had 44 cores
 
18
you can get upto 56 cores with the highest xeons but my point was don't forget the law of depreciating returns.
 
Well, true...
 
no such thing with cores
more cores = more better
 
8:41 PM
@ssube that seems pretty nifty. Thanks!
 
Oh my
WHy hasn't Linus built a 128 core cpu ?
> @linustechtips please build 1 city block 1 cpu.
 
@ShrekOverflow Diminshing returns?
 
city block? try 1U
 
@MadaraUchiha that... sorry I am tired.
 
8:43 PM
your scrawny hardware youtubers aren't really the gold standard for datacenter packing :P
 
- depreciating
+ diminishing
@ssube he does get his hands on really high end cpus from intel
 
I doubt they'd even make dual socket mobos for those phi processor... 72 cores is pretty decent for a massive workload
 
the only problem with more cores is the sometimes you need 1 (or a small number) of high speed cores instead.
 
@Ikari they're meant for dual or quad socket
 
8:44 PM
Damn... So like 288 cores?
 
144/288 cores and most likely 512/768GB memory or so
 
Woah
 
And how much will that cost ?
 
how friendly are you with thesales rep? :)
 
8:45 PM
 
hahaha
@SterlingArcher I do not see how the lock changes that situation at all?
 
@SterlingArcher tissues? What are the socks for then?
 
look next to the chair
 
It'll be more appropriate as "Before the sentry guns were invented"
 
and where his hand is
 
8:46 PM
Yeah yeah i saw
still don't see the relevance
you could just sit with your chair blocking the door, no gun needed.
 
can't lock your door? I guess murder is the only option
to prevent shame
 
Before you buy the Xeon Phi ^
its not optimized for daily loads :P
 
because it's not a desktop cpu
 
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@rlemon I laughed my ass off at that in the shower this morning
 
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Heard it in his voice lmao
 
8:49 PM
@BenFortune that is what I am trying to say 😛, xeon is not better by default
 
@Ikari the biggest processor I can found in a 4-socket setup is the 8180M
 
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@SterlingArcher gross. Thanks for sharing...
 
with a measly 28 real cores
 
now i'm back to the old problem of trying to figure out why cfflush doesn't work
 
Pretty sure Linus reviewed that one very recently - 8180M
super crazy
 
8:51 PM
So, 4x28... 112 cores... I'd say that's a lot
 
112 cores, 1024GB of memory. Only $80k :D
 
ninja'd
 
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@ssube @KendallFrey is Forza 7 worth $35?
 
@user1596138 it's not worth $5, with or without a wheel
 
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8:52 PM
Or do I have to buy DLC just to have any fun like Horizon 2 (and then still not have any fun)
 
I tried to get a refund but it had been too long :(
 
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Thanks lol
 
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I have 6
 
FH3 is worth it
 
@ShrekOverflow you'd be better off with the i9 7980xe then
 
8:52 PM
@SterlingArcher wth is that from?
 
user1596138
It sucks shit
 
@Loktar Polish news channel lol
 
@Ikari most likely
 
user1596138
They won't let you disable the garbage speed based steering limiting
 
FH3 and PC2 are both much better than FM6/7
 
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8:53 PM
If I want to go full lock right, fuckin let me!
 
You need to understand the fuck you want to do with your computer before you buy it
 
Forza Horizon 3's graphics are really pretty/awesome
 
just depends on if you want the DLC or nah
 
I was sold a laptop without hardware virtualization when I was very new to computers and didn't know how virt etc worked. When I specifically told the vendor that I'll run VMs 😛, now I watch walkthroughs/guides from atleast Jays2Cents and LTT before buying hardware @Ikari
 
user1596138
Oh Horizon 3 is what I meanyt
 
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8:53 PM
That game sucks ass
 
user1596138
Tiny world, immediate expansions
 
lol I thought you meant Horizon Zero Dawn
was going to say that game is decent
 
lol, even smaller world
fighting the robosaurs was fun tho
 
yea
I never beat it.. I should go back and play it
been playing Monster Hunter World lately
 
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@Loktar That looked interesting but iirc it's ps4 exclusive
 
8:54 PM
yea
 
the DLC for Horizon 3 is fun, some of the original areas were fun, but if you want to race, PC2 is better
 
user1596138
I just have my PC
 
PS4 is where it's at, XBONE games come out for PC anyway
 
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@ssube I never got the DLC. It was a $100 game.
 
ah right hence how you can play XBONE games too lol
 
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8:55 PM
Straight up bullshit
 
oh, I got it after the DLC was out and bundled
$40-50 for all of it
 
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@Loktar I can play xbox one games with xbox players from my PC. Pretty sweet
 
probably on sale, too
 
user1596138
They pay for Live to play with me but mine's free lmao
 
yeah I agree, just removes the need to ever buy an xbox is all
 
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8:55 PM
Ah yeah true
 
which I'm ok with lol
 
user1596138
I wouldn't be buying either anyway haha
 
@ShrekOverflow :p for that stuff I guess those benchmarks might be okay
 
@Ikari they also benchmark with the proper benchmarks for different workloads
btw what are you trying to build ?
 
@ShrekOverflow you could also just check the spec sheet
read the docs, know what you're buying
 
8:57 PM
@ssube I do that after I have smaller sample space
 
if you listen to a big box computer salesperson, you deserved it
 
Well that was like my 2nd computer 😛
 
@ShrekOverflow nothing atm... Was looking for some bigger builds if I ever needed one
 
lol, the sample space for processors is what, 2?
 
Not everyone has the $$$ to those 2 :P
 
8:58 PM
if you weren't paying so much attention to salespeople and bad tech tips, it wouldn't be such an issue :P
 
Again, that hasn't been an issue since
For example IKARIs dream PC is > yearly income of ~most people on this planet except for US / EU / AU residents.
 

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