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1:00 PM
Now is the time to buy for all the Musk believers, I guess
 
foreseen it
sold my shares right a hour after that news
 
which news
 
what happened the stock fell down so much?
/me is out of the loop
 
Musk revealed himself to be a lizardman
 
@KarelG You actually had stock?
 
1:01 PM
yes. It is not the only stock in my wallet tho
 
@Ikari Promise.resolve(null)
 
lol, Donnie is pissed that Amazon uses the US postal system
 
Empty promises
 
mhm... reading up on some articels
 
@KarelG I don't even know which stocks I have. I only know that I'm losing money with them :P
 
1:03 PM
@Ikari last friday, a tesla car crashed at a freeway divider, leaving driver dead. A government instance is investigating that because they think autopilot was used
 
I made more money with bitcoin in a couple months than with stocks over the past 5 years
 
@KarelG *the remnants of a freeway divider. There wasn't much left before the accident, nothing after.
 
@KarelG ouch
 
yeah it was that bad that I felt that the stock would go down
it is not the first time tho
 
it sort of happens when you're in the car business
 
1:04 PM
@KarelG You got any hot stock tips? ;)
 
there was a similar problem before, but the crash was not so worse like this one. So it went ok
@OliverSalzburg :P
 
so has every bank ever decided OVH can't be trusted?
 
@rlemon mine sure has
 
every single card, master or visa, every single time. blocks the renewal transaction untill I call them
every fucking time...
so annoying
 
yep
the first time I noticed was during their 30% off sale for game servers
 
1:06 PM
@ssube what's that
 
went to buy a pair, because they were stupid cheap, and both of my cards were declined
 
before and after crash with that tesla car
 
@Neoares the (lack of) barrier that the Tesla hit
@KarelG both before
 
ooo
 
there was a prev. crash in the same spot
 
1:07 PM
@ssube well those assholes didn't send me a notification my server was expiring.
 
so the Tesla hit a brick wall, not a buffer
 
so now the work server is down and I have to wait to get ahold of someone at the bank
fucking wonderful
 
does your bank have an automated line for fraud?
I think OVH still has the paypal option, but that also has a delay
 
I wonder if that's why my visa won't let me make transactions anymore
Last time they blocked it was because I made an account with trading212
 
so everyone sells stock cause they know everyone is going to sell stock?
 
1:10 PM
The idea is to sell at a peak. So if it's going to drop, that's going to make a peak
technically
 
but why is going to drop
 
theoretically they sell because they think sales will be lower
 
Because when you buy stock you're investing in the success of that company or whatever.

If the product is killing people
 
@ssube I'm more pissed I didn't get an email
 
but realistically it does seem to be a herd
 
1:11 PM
Maybe not a good investment
 
and why will be lower? :P
because veryone sells
 
had to find out our servers were down from a customer
 
@rlemon oh, wtf
 
@Cereal there are a lot of successful companies that are killing people
like coca-cola, or mc donalds
they do even kill more people
 
I get a lot of those "your services need renewed within 30 days" emails, but I don't remember the others
 
1:13 PM
@Neoares it was an example, not an argument
 
@ssube yea I checked my junk mail and everything
didn't get an email
 
I was playing around with a free trial of hostineer. managed to break their control panel 3 times last weekend
 
do you have any external monitoring? I use uptimerobot.com for all my stuff (they have a good free plan)
 
It completely fucked something in my chrome. Going to one of my websites causes it to redirect to the control panel, as a user that doesn't exist
 
it sends me an email if http/ssh go down on any of the boxes I care about
 
1:15 PM
Support was fantastic though. They not only responded quickly, but both fixed it and linked the commits
 
small companies have better support
 
We use Site24x7 for that
 
fuck, now I'm in the waiting game
 
says the server is up, can't connect to it
 
1:16 PM
Get a cute little dashboard too
 
@Cereal buy low, sell high. The most difficult part is to determine when it is going lower or higher
and to trust a temporary stock drop
like the EA stock, which has recovered from the Star Wars Battlefront II drama
 
@BenFortune uptimerobot has a similar dash. They also added SSL checks, which are sweet
 
I'm bad at it. That's what I have trading212 for. I put 100 dollars in it ~6 months ago. I've slowly been losing it
 
@ssube We get those too :>
 
Which fun fact, it's illegal in canada to sell cfds less than a week old or something
 
1:17 PM
And domain expiry checks
 
it's pretty recent, since I signed up, but cert monitoring is the best
 
I probably got that acronym wrong
 
do not participate stock trading if you do not have time for gathering information yourselves
 
@Neoares The big surprise was that I'm not even a paying customer. So I'm gunna subscribe mostly just from the support experience
 
1:18 PM
@Cereal they knew you were probably doing that
 
s/stock trading/politics/
 
@Neoares Probably
 
buying and selling stocks does not need more than 30 minutes. But investigating and gathering info? Or analyzing stocks? Spent sometimes a whole saturday on that
 
@BenFortune oh that's a much larger tool than uptimerobot. They just do pings, ports, certs, that sort of thing.
 
@OliverSalzburg just fyi, philips stocks
 
1:20 PM
lmao I got an ad email that features a timer saying: "time left until end of promotion".
Unfortunately its also a photo and it doesnt count.
 
@ssube We used to use pingdom but they're so unreliable
 
lol yeah
we have them set up still, but it doesn't page out
we've been using datadog for the deeper metrics, but their pricing is a complete rip off, so we're moving to grafana
 
@KarelG this is how it's possible to respond for multiple bot commands
https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/fa246e09-33f2-46e7-b7d6-4c7e30848436.png
Using Botkit
 
@ssube Wanted to get into datadog but they didn't support PHP
We were originally with NewRelic but their new pricing structure is fucking ridiculous
 
what do you mean support PHP?
 
1:24 PM
And with the removal of servers and switching to infrastructure
@ssube With the APM
 
graf/prom doesn't "support" any language, you just give it an endpoint to scrape
oh, APM is a scam
 
We wanted one that supported APM with a PHP module, rather than a library
 
it's never accurate and changes more than it shows
 
We're currently with Appoptics for APM and Site24x7 for the rest
 
in the graf/prom model, every service or resource you care about has an exporter, which it checks on a schedule
 
1:26 PM
Man, that gave me an instant migraine
 
so you have node exporters, service endpoints, etc and they publish their own metrics
there's no daemon/library digging into processes and modifying code, but you can get at syscall metrics
 
@wadie I only see one command. It is literally an if/else. Other got rendered as invalid. As said, I made myself easier by registering one bot.
but you can reuse the code and experiment it tho. A nice find if you can extend the switch case statement
 
I was at a lunch/demo yesterday by sysdig.com, that tool is super cool
 
Hmm
Was actually looking at Prometheus
StatsD too
 
they go together quite well
 
1:31 PM
No experience so wanted something with the whole setup
 
the only tricky part is deciding where/how prometheus stores data, it's a collector without persistence
 
There are things like github.com/patrickallaert/php-apm that work quite well
 
rather than an AIO type deal, Prom collects data, a TSDB stores it, Graf graphs it, you usually have something for logs
automagic APM is just... very meh
 
@KarelG oh yea sure that isn't complete, just a template to get things started. I'll play around with it :)
 
it provides the sort of statistics that confuse developers, not meaningful, business-relevant ones
 
1:32 PM
@ssube We have some awful legacy code and a hell of a lot of isolated scripts, rather than adding a lib to each one it was easier to just have a PHP module that did it for us
 
I assume it catches errors from all of those?
having something to wrap scripts and catch those errors is super useful
 
some quality multi colour printing
 
@ssube Yep
 
I fainted yesterday for no good reason and hit my head. I figured the cheapest place to go for medical advice was SO chat.
 
!!s/in/r/
 
1:34 PM
that error wrapper is the one thing the prom/graf stack doesn't supply
 
@Neoares I farted yesterday for no good reason and hit my head. I figured the cheapest place to go for medical advice was SO chat. (source)
 
well, actually, it does
 
@Neoares couldn't resist, huh?
 
because your "script" should be a k8s job, which logs to stdout/stderr, gets picked up by the log collector, and shipped off
 
@Vap0r you know me very well :P
you know how I proceed with s/
 
1:35 PM
@ssube sentry is very nice
 
@FlorianMargaine Their pricing structure confused me
 
sentry is pretty good, yeah
 
@BenFortune haven't looked at that
 
I use it for a few things but haven't dug in much
 
only used it
 
1:37 PM
My medical benefits package claims they cover out of network diagnostics. So come on guys I'm basically entitled to a SO diagnosis
 
Like, it's open source but I can only use their service as a hobbyist
 
@BenFortune I'm looking at the page, it seems to be volume-based
you can run your own server
 
@BenFortune you can have a self-hosted version
 
I'm guessing I don't get the same experience?
 
dunno, didn't try it
I think it's just a different URL, and you also get the UI et al?
 
1:38 PM
Hmm, might give it a shot on my home server
Wonder if the self-hosted version gets the enterprise features
 
why "react-slick": "^0.15.0", in my package.json doesn't allow me to update to 0.22.0?
^ is for N.x.x, no?
 
@Vap0r The diagnosis is in. We need to put you down
Alternatively, we could amputate half your body, but it would cost an arm and a leg
 
@BenFortune or, you could build one of these: hanselman.com/blog/…
 
lmfao that url
 
@Neoares
 
1:41 PM
:O
 
@rlemon WANT!
 
@Neoares Not for 0.x
 
wtf is that
 
@FlorianMargaine semver.npmjs.com
 
@OliverSalzburg ooh, is 0 an exception
 
1:41 PM
0.x is special as it designates pre-release software
 
semver, baby!
 
@rlemon noice.
 
🎉
 
@OliverSalzburg tis a true shame
Honestly though I felt light headed at a bar and tried to go to my car but went back to my seat. By that time I had tunnel vision and my ears were ringing. I told a friend I didn't feel well and might pass out and sure enough, 5 seconds later, I passed out for about 10-12 seconds
 
eat more blood sugar
you have vampire diabeetus
 
1:44 PM
@ssube I'm actually worried that could be the case
I had 2 beers and had partaken in a modest amount of thin mints. I don't think those would be the culprits though, except thin mints are known to lower blood pressure right?
 
The idea of a diabetic vampire is hilarious to me.
 
worth checking
the only time I ever passed out was as a kid, same deal: tunnel vision, ringing ears
hadn't eaten for a day or so
 
do it again and see if it repeats
 
Maybe the lowered blood pressure exacerbated whatever else.
@ssube I had just eaten though :/
 
@Vap0r Razor-thin mints are where it's at
 
1:45 PM
combined, those two will give you the spins
 
I guess I need to go to the doctor
 
@OliverSalzburg thanks! just changed the dependency from 0.15.0 to 0.22.0 in package.json :D
 
> the spins
 
I passed out in my jrotc class where we had to stand at attention for a good two hours, and I happened to have my hat on too tight and was in the sun
 
you should probably just get basic blood work done
 
1:45 PM
that's exactly what it was I guess
But with less dizziness and more light-headedness
 
pressure and sugars, have them check your butter levels while you're at it
 
I can't imagine the consumption of thin mints while I'm hungry, too many thin mints alone is enough to make me feel really uncomfortable..
 
> butter levels
 
am I retarded
or should this always work
 
@ssube cholesterol?
 
1:46 PM
const forward = new THREE.Vector3().subVectors(this.camera.position, this.cameraTarget.position).normalize();
this.camera.translateOnAxis(forward, offsetZ);
 
@Neoares <1 would fit your original intention
 
for zoom
 
@Neoares But it is similarly confusing as 0.x not working as expected :D
 
Hey if anyone knows how nodejs works, can you shed some light on the problem i have: stackoverflow.com/questions/49523218/…
 
@Vap0r ya
 
1:47 PM
thx
 
According to the "comments" it simply that nodejs doesn't let the event-queue go empty before exiting from a sigint?
 
@KamilSolecki what's not working?
also there are multiple types of "zoom"
 
@paul23 What's the question?
 
@KendallFrey logically this should make camera move towards the target, but it all fucks up whenever camera is rotated.
 
why a promise isn't executed when it is initiated during a sigint/sigterm event. - And how to make it execute.
 
1:50 PM
@KamilSolecki fucks up how?
 
:o
das a nice shop
I am jelly
 
niiiice
 
so clean and organized
how?
 
it's like you Canadians are very into that
 
@KendallFrey As in the camera doesnt really move along that axis, but always along the same one.
 
1:51 PM
@rlemon he/she pays a maid
 
@rlemon whoa, nice fisheye lens
 
also by camera rotation I meant rotation in orbit around target
 
nahh, that's a well organised shop
 
@rlemon clearly for show off
 
maids can organize
 
1:52 PM
@paul23 IMHO, the setTimout is not executed instantly when you invoke endMe. I'm assuming you've already seen stackoverflow.com/questions/6442676/…
 
probably never works
 
@KamilSolecki What do you mean by "the same one"?
 
@Neoares unless they use the tools, not well.
 
You mean it just moving in a consistent yet wrong direction?
 
a clean workshop is like a bar of beer: IMPOSSIBLE
 
1:52 PM
the only thing out of place is the planer, but i have to imagine its on wheels and the middle bench is the outfeed
 
it must be dirty
where are the wooden snippets. soaked woods ?
dust?
 
@OliverSalzburg setTimeOut is promisified (and the same effect occurs with any promise I use).
 
@KarelG there's something oddly appealing about this for me
 
well he's got a proper dust collector.
 
my workshop is always a mess.
 
1:54 PM
mine is almost unusable right now
:(
 
@KendallFrey to give an example:

Cam at (0, 0, 4), target at (0, 0, 0) - camera moves forwards and back, effectively getting closer and further from the target.

Now, rotate in orbit by 90 degrees, and what we see now moves left and right on zoom - as if the camera would still move along the same axis as before
 
when I work there, I just collect stuff and put it somewhere else if I need space
 
I wanna tear it down and start over.
waiting till a nice warm dry day so I can move all my tools to the driveway
 
rotate by another 90, and our zoom directions get inverted
but goes back and forth again
 
@paul23 Yeah, but the promise is not going to keep the process alive, I guess. It's not something I have actively worked on
 
1:55 PM
@KamilSolecki I guess check to see which values are wrong. Apparently something's not changing that should be
 
@rlemon send pics
 
ohh no
I'm embarrassed about my shop right now.
I'll send pics after I gut it, and build the new one
maybe progress pics starting after I gut it
 
The actual code is meant to write something to a database (so intrinsic a promise). Are people saying that doing such a thing is "unheard of"?
 
> Despite a common misconception, the terms “zoom” and “dolly” are not interchangeable. With dollies, the camera is being moved in a physical space. With zooms, the camera remains at a constant position, but the lens magnify or minimize the size of the subject.
cc @KamilSolecki
 
@KendallFrey I'd assume so, but it does not seem so at all :(
 
1:56 PM
Why not?
 
I printed the axis along which Im moving
unless
somewhere in THREE it gets globalized in a werid way somehow
 
the axis changes every time, but the direction doesn't?
 
fucky
 
the docs state nothing about that, tho
 

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